Samsung Barred from Selling Galaxy Tab in European Union

Apple was granted an injunction, barring sales of the Galaxy Tab not only in Australia, but in EU countries, as well.

lol

Why is it that Apple dislikes competition so much?  

If you really offered a great product, competition should be encouraged, as it only makes you stronger. 

Why is it that Apple dislikes competition so much?  

 

If you really offered a great product, competition should be encouraged, as it only makes you stronger. 

verbtex

Or, you could be the only company people can buy from. :P

Competition is only ever good for the consumer. For a corporation, it's all that standing between them and total market domination.

[QUOTE="verbtex"]

Why is it that Apple dislikes competition so much?  

 

If you really offered a great product, competition should be encouraged, as it only makes you stronger. 

789shadow

Or, you could be the only company people can buy from. :P

Competition is only ever good for the consumer. For a corporation, it's all that standing between them and total market domination.

In some places and in some ways, monopoly is supposed to be illegal, but it really isn't enforced..  

Form those of you who actually care for real about the world around us, here is a great in-depth article worth reading. Why the Galaxy Tab was blocked. Or you could go on saying all those very predictable, irrelevant things. Your choice. lolmusicalmac

What an incredibly broad patent.

Form those of you who actually care for real about the world around us, here is a great in-depth article worth reading. Why the Galaxy Tab was blocked. Or you could go on saying all those very predictable, irrelevant things. Your choice. lolmusicalmac

Speaking of very predictable....

It seems that Apple would rather have us killed than buy its competitor's products. :(tagyhag

[QUOTE="musicalmac"]Form those of you who actually care for real about the world around us, here is a great in-depth article worth reading. Why the Galaxy Tab was blocked. Or you could go on saying all those very predictable, irrelevant things. Your choice. lol789shadow

Speaking of very predictable....

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]It seems that Apple would rather have us killed than buy its competitor's products. :(Heil68

People who aim for practicality and functionality over fashion and design.

It almost makes me sick to see people saying Apple making a incredibly broad patent and killing competition in fear, is a good thing.  

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="tagyhag"]It seems that Apple would rather have us killed than buy its competitor's products. :(110million

People who aim for practicality and functionality over fashion and design.

It almost makes me sick to see people saying Apple making a incredibly broad patent and killing competition in fear, is a good thing.  

[QUOTE="110million"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="tagyhag"]It seems that Apple would rather have us killed than buy its competitor's products. :(Heil68

People who aim for practicality and functionality over fashion and design.

It almost makes me sick to see people saying Apple making a incredibly broad patent and killing competition in fear, is a good thing.  

Don't even care about Samsung, it was about using an Android tablet. You can find dirt on just about any company.

In truth though, the whole concept of a tablet is pretty impractical. I don't see any situation where I would not have access to a laptop but I would to a tablet.  

Don't even care about Samsung, it was about using an Android tablet. You can find dirt on just about any company.

In truth though, the whole concept of a tablet is pretty impractical. I don't see any situation where I would not have access to a laptop but I would to a tablet.  

110million

Speaking of very predictable....

789shadow

[QUOTE="110million"]

Don't even care about Samsung, it was about using an Android tablet. You can find dirt on just about any company.

In truth though, the whole concept of a tablet is pretty impractical. I don't see any situation where I would not have access to a laptop but I would to a tablet.  

musicalmac

A very portable and limited computer. I don't use a device because of how it looks or what it is, I use it because of what it can accomplish. I didn't buy a slick gaming laptop when I wanted something for gaming, I built a monstrous tower, because it can accomplish a lot more, for less money.

My cellphone even, can make calls and send texts, it isn't a smartphone, if in the future I work at a place that needs it, than that would be fine.

If I need to browse the internet on a small device when I'm out, I would get a netbook. Also, I can't stand touchscreens.  

[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="110million"]

Don't even care about Samsung, it was about using an Android tablet. You can find dirt on just about any company.

In truth though, the whole concept of a tablet is pretty impractical. I don't see any situation where I would not have access to a laptop but I would to a tablet.  

110million

A very portable and limited computer. I don't use a device because of how it looks or what it is, I use it because of what it can accomplish. I didn't buy a slick gaming laptop when I wanted something for gaming, I built a monstrous tower, because it can accomplish a lot more, for less money.

My cellphone even, can make calls and send texts, it isn't a smartphone, if in the future I work at a place that needs it, than that would be fine.

If I need to browse the internet on a small device when I'm out, I would get a netbook. Also, I can't stand touchscreens.  

A very portable and limited computer. I don't use a device because of how it looks or what it is, I use it because of what it can accomplish. I didn't buy a slick gaming laptop when I wanted something for gaming, I built a monstrous tower, because it can accomplish a lot more, for less money.

My cellphone even, can make calls and send texts, it isn't a smartphone, if in the future I work at a place that needs it, than that would be fine.

If I need to browse the internet on a small device when I'm out, I would get a netbook. Also, I can't stand touchscreens.  

110million

Lets break it down--

Why are you wasting everyone's time by posting in this thread?

Lets break it down--

A. You don't care about Samsung. B. You don't think tablets are practical. C. You hate touch screens.

 

Why are you wasting everyone's time by posting in this thread?

musicalmac

You are free to skip my posts, I'm sorry for taking upwards of 15 seconds of your time.

I still believe android is more practical, and that was where this argument started, it was relevant to the thread. 

I also do have an opinion on dirty business practices, and even though Samsung does it too, does not mean it is okay for Apple to do it. It's too bad Apple is flawless to most of its supporters though. 

You are free to skip my posts, I'm sorry for taking upwards of 15 seconds of your time.

I still believe android is more practical, and that was where this argument started, it was relevant to the thread. 

I also do have an opinion on dirty business practices, and even though Samsung does it too, does not mean it is okay for Apple to do it. It's too bad Apple is flawless to most of its supporters though. 

110million

 It's probably for their own good at people in Europe and Australia will have a tough time getting their hands on the Galaxy Tab.musicalmac

Capitalism at work, no chance for competition and full control of the market, sounds great, I can see what you mean.  

Nice to see the Apple-haters are out in force. I swear, if I had a nickel for every illogical criticism of them I've read online...  psn8214

If I had a nickle for every legitimate gripe that is completely ignored or twisted by apple fanboys I'd have at least twice as many.  

I don't go around blabbing the same o'l same o'l irrelevant anti-Apple hyperbole.musicalmac

Serious question: what separates the iPad's hardware and iOS's design from that of what would commonly be considered a generic tablet, and which of those differences does Samsung infringe on?

[QUOTE="musicalmac"] I don't go around blabbing the same o'l same o'l irrelevant anti-Apple hyperbole.PBSnipes

Serious question: what separates the iPad's hardware and iOS's design from that of what would commonly be considered a generic tablet, and which of those differences does Samsung infringe on?

Apple's new way of "competing" in a nutshell.

"What? A competitor has arisen in a market we have a vested interest in? SUE THEM!!!"

Sure, the Galaxy Tab 10.1 is highly similar to the iPad in terms of design (at least from a hardware standpoint) but that doesn't explain why they're now suing Motorola over the Xoom.

Did you read the article I linked to earlier? It explains a lot, keeping in mind the fact that before the iPad, there really was no mass produced tablet computer with a dedicated mobile OS to set a standard.musicalmac

Unless I missed something it only explains the procedures and law surrounding the injunction, not how in the name of all that is good and holy Apple managed to get such a generic patent int the first place (or how any judge in their right mind could uphold it). From a patent point of view the iPad's design is already minimalist-verging-on-non-existent, and the actual community design patent is even less detailed -- the only thing unique or even remotely close to an inventive step is the inclusion of an Apple 30-pin connector, and the Tab 10.1 sure as hell doesn't have one of those.

Apple has slightly more of an argument with TouchWiz UX -- particularly the settings screen -- but again, we're largely dealing with a lack of inventive step: the general iOS UI is so basic and common sense that unless Samsung is stealing the actual graphics/animations (again, the settings screen) or code there just isn't much of a case.

[QUOTE="musicalmac"]Did you read the article I linked to earlier? It explains a lot, keeping in mind the fact that before the iPad, there really was no mass produced tablet computer with a dedicated mobile OS to set a standard.PBSnipes

Unless I missed something it only explains the procedures and law surrounding the injunction, not how in the name of all that is good and holy Apple managed to get such a generic patent int the first place (or how any judge in their right mind could uphold it). From a patent point of view the iPad's design is already minimalist-verging-on-non-existent, and the actual community design patent is even less detailed -- the only thing unique or even remotely close to an inventive step is the inclusion of an Apple 30-pin connector, and the Tab 10.1 sure as hell doesn't have one of those.

Apple has slightly more of an argument with TouchWiz UX -- particularly the settings screen -- but again, we're largely dealing with a lack of inventive step: the general iOS UI is so basic and common sense that unless Samsung is stealing the actual graphics/animations (again, the settings screen) or code there just isn't much of a case.

Apparantly popularizing an existing concept gives you exclusive rights to it. 

Apparantly popularizing an existing concept gives you exclusive rights to it.110million

Apple's new way of "competing" in a nutshell.

"What? A competitor has arisen in a market we have a vested interest in? SUE THEM!!!"

The_Game21x

Apple's products are vastly superior to the competition in the tablet market anyways... as mentioned above, this is probably a good thing for all potential Euro consumers. 

[QUOTE="musicalmac"]Did you read the article I linked to earlier? It explains a lot, keeping in mind the fact that before the iPad, there really was no mass produced tablet computer with a dedicated mobile OS to set a standard.PBSnipes

Unless I missed something it only explains the procedures and law surrounding the injunction, not how in the name of all that is good and holy Apple managed to get such a generic patent int the first place (or how any judge in their right mind could uphold it). From a patent point of view the iPad's design is already minimalist-verging-on-non-existent, and the actual community design patent is even less detailed -- the only thing unique or even remotely close to an inventive step is the inclusion of an Apple 30-pin connector, and the Tab 10.1 sure as hell doesn't have one of those.

Apple has slightly more of an argument with TouchWiz UX -- particularly the settings screen -- but again, we're largely dealing with a lack of inventive step: the general iOS UI is so basic and common sense that unless Samsung is stealing the actual graphics/animations (again, the settings screen) or code there just isn't much of a case.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Apple's new way of "competing" in a nutshell.

"What? A competitor has arisen in a market we have a vested interest in? SUE THEM!!!"

psn8214

Apple's products are vastly superior to the competition in the tablet market anyways... as mentioned above, this is probably a good thing for all potential Euro consumers. 

:lol: no.

To someone who isn't drinking Apple's Kool-Aid, other tablets can be just as good, if not better than the iPad. I'm not going to deny that Apple has the better hardware in many respects (but not all) and a better native app catalog but the majority of people who go for an Android tablet over the iPad will not be pining for Apple's tablet.

:lol: no.

To someone who isn't drinking Apple's Kool-Aid, other tablets can be just as good, if not better than the iPad. I'm not going to deny that Apple has the better hardware in many respects (but not all) and a better native app catalog but the majority of people who go for an Android tablet over the iPad will not be pining for Apple's tablet.

The_Game21x

mac might be drinking Apple Kool-Aid. I am most certainly not. Besides, you just proved my point anyways. 

mac might be drinking Apple Kool-Aid. I am most certainly not. Besides, you just proved my point anyways. 

psn8214

Get used to that. Saying anything positive about Apple will earn you the Kool-Aid tag, no matter how rational you may actually be. It's the easiest way to dismiss your opinions. If you like Apple products, you can't possibly know what you're talking about. Apple products aren't for real computer people, lol.

In the real world, the iPad is king in every way I can think of. Sure there are cheaper alternatives, but they're not nearly as good, even the expensive non-Apple tablets are not as good, and why people would buy them is truly a mystery to me. Nobody can truly match Apple's engineering and price point -- not the iPad, and not the MacBook Air.

MacBook Air seems more practical for like a linux distribution or something, where user knows you can just load the OS off the usb, unless they added a disk drive eventually. :P

I don't want to seem like more of a hater, so I won't deny that Apple's build quality is top notch, but having one idea be popular and the competition releasing similar things has been the norm for a long as competition has existed. Apple isn't the first to call them out on it, but some do ignore it because it isn't relevant to them, I know a couple of people who do find the iPad too limiting but were interested in a Galaxy Tab. 

I will say that yestarday I was operating on about 3 hours of sleep after working about 12 hours the previous day on a graduation project, and I was working on it again while posting, so excessively stupid posting may be in part to that. Functionality wise, I would not really be using windows if linux disros had proper game support and drivers for GPUs and such. Same reason android is more attractive to me. 

[QUOTE="psn8214"]

mac might be drinking Apple Kool-Aid. I am most certainly not. Besides, you just proved my point anyways. 

musicalmac

Get used to that. Saying anything positive about Apple will earn you the Kool-Aid tag, no matter how rational you may actually be. It's the easiest way to dismiss your opinions. If you like Apple products, you can't possibly know what you're talking about. Apple products aren't for real computer people, lol.

In the real world, the iPad is king in every way I can think of. Sure there are cheaper alternatives, but they're not nearly as good, even the expensive non-Apple tablets are not as good, and why people would buy them is truly a mystery to me. Nobody can truly match Apple's engineering and price point -- not the iPad, and not the MacBook Air.

why buy one of these instead of an iPad?Heil68

Android tablets might be playing catch up on tablet apps, but the option is there for more freedom in app development.

Also

Flash.

I said it.

:o

inb4 no one uses flash.

[QUOTE="Heil68"]why buy one of these instead of an iPad?110million

Android tablets might be playing catch up on tablet apps, but the option is there for more freedom in app development.

Also

Flash.

I said it.

:o

inb4 no one uses flash.

[QUOTE="Heil68"]why buy one of these instead of an iPad?110million

Android tablets might be playing catch up on tablet apps, but the option is there for more freedom in app development.

Also

Flash.

I said it.

Blackberry is trying that angle in their advertisement campaign with Playbook and TabletOS. We'll see how that fares for them and how it sways the public. Heil68

RIM needs something to fix their recent dips in stock. :o

Also not sure what mac ^^ means with "for what".

For things that use flash.  

Also not sure what mac ^^ means with "for what".

For things that use flash.  

110million

Get used to that. Saying anything positive about Apple will earn you the Kool-Aid tag, no matter how rational you may actually be. It's the easiest way to dismiss your opinions. If you like Apple products, you can't possibly know what you're talking about. Apple products aren't for real computer people, lol.

musicalmac

I mean, I just thought it was hilarious how he said there were better tablets than the iPad, while acknowledging that the iPad has better hardware and apps than the competition. :lol:

You can call me all the names you'd like, but I don't even have to say anything there!

I mean, I just thought it was hilarious how he said there were better tablets than the iPad, while acknowledging that the iPad has better hardware and apps than the competition. :lol:

You can call me all the names you'd like, but I don't even have to say anything there!

psn8214

I guess this is what happenes when you read posts after drinking the apple kool-aid.

Apple products have always had solid hardware, but it isn't like the competition has stuff that will break when you hold it funny. This is true for PCs too, but I won't give up 95% of my games for better hardware.

He also said better NATIVE app support, the stuff that comes with it. Android is more about community made apps. The iPad is better out of the box, android tablets have the potential to be much better with a bit of time. A dedicated development community can mean the world. 

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

:lol: no.

To someone who isn't drinking Apple's Kool-Aid, other tablets can be just as good, if not better than the iPad. I'm not going to deny that Apple has the better hardware in many respects (but not all) and a better native app catalog but the majority of people who go for an Android tablet over the iPad will not be pining for Apple's tablet.

psn8214

mac might be drinking Apple Kool-Aid. I am most certainly not. Besides, you just proved my point anyways. 

Not really. 

I acknowledge that there are some things that Apple's iPad legitimately does better than other tablets (battery life, stability, ease of use) and I also acknowledge that  Apple's hardware is virtually second to none but that does not equal "vastly superior".

Personally, I would buy a $400 ASUS Transformer before I spent $500on the lowest end iPad. I like having removable storage (16GB Transformer + 16GB SD card = $423, give or take). I like being able to customize the UI as I see fit. I like feeling like I have control over the inner workings of my tablet. Even jailbroken, the iPad does not allow for the same deep levels of customization Android does. That's just how iOS works. Some folks may like being kept "safe and secure" by Apple's draconian App Store policies and closed ecosystem. I, for one, like being able to tinker with the OS. Quite frankly, I'll sacrifice having an assload of apps that I know I'm not going to use for a smaller number of apps that I'm not going to use. Most of the apps and games that I would be using on iOS are available natively on Honeycomb and the few that aren't will be shortly.

If you prefer Apple's products, by all means. Keep using them and keep being happy with them. I'm not here to change anyone's minds but saying the iPad is "vastly superior"is a silly blanket statement that, I'm sorry, makes you look like an Apple fanboy. Am I saying Android is better? No. I'm saying it's more than good enough for me. Even before I decided to get an Android tablet (yes I have one), I've wondered what it is about Android that Apple faithfuls tend to hate. I've asked many people who outright bash Android why it sucks (including a certain someone in this very thread) and the most I've been able to get out of any of them is little more than "Umm...because it sucks".

I still swear by my iPod Touch as the be-all end-all portable media device but I've opened my eyes (and my mind) to the fact that plenty of perfectly good alternatives exist in the tablet space as well.