Any questions on Islam?

These are the exact reasons why I don't follow any organized religion...hamstergeddon

good for you...whatever makes you happy

And do you really believe if you blow yourself up you will go to heaven with 72 virgins???

I cant say... its upto God who goes to Heaven or Hell.

[QUOTE="GettingTired"][QUOTE="gamingqueen"]hagiiiiiiiiii

So it's justice you seek? You see divine justice, some sort of revenge? And most nations have secular governments. You wish to impose religion as some sort of ruling book? I guess that explains why gays are executed is Islamic countries for no reason.

And Buddhists overcome evil by overcoming the main causes of society deems "evil", such as hate, greed, and a loss of self-control. If anything, Buddhists practice the most discipline.
And, evil is purely subjective too. Evil is not some sort of objective force out to consume people.

[QUOTE="gamingqueen"][QUOTE="RationalAtheist"][QUOTE="gamingqueen"][QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

I have a few Islamic flavoured questions...

1) Why are pigs dirtier than other farmyard animals?

2) Why trust the same scientific framework for discovery that would find no evidence of Allah?

3) Seeing as the Koran is based on the same Arameic writings as the Old Testement, do you believe the Christian God is the same God as the Islamic God? If so, why are Christians thought of similarly to infidels by Muslims? (For example, they will be danmed in the afterlife...)

4) Why do Islamic people not believe in freedom of democracy and other peoples' views, rather impose Sharia law on Islamic societies? I'm sure you can see that in societies where Sharia law is in place, there is great hatred, radicalism, corruption and human rights attrocities, almost without exception...

With regards,

RationalAtheist

1) Prohibitting eating pigs is due to the reasons I provided in the post above yours.

2)Ifthey made a study on an entirely subject other than proving god's existence then why not? Because the holy quran has already proven god's exsistence. Just because we don't agree on certain subjects doesn't mean we don't agree on most subjects!

3)We believe that Jesus is a prophet and that he's not the son of god. We don't believe in trinity. God is the only judge in judegment day.. we don't know what will happen to christians and jews but in the holy quran god says in this meaning that some of the jews and chrsitians will go to heaven.

4)No no no.. you're talking to a law student in Kuwait university and this is not true. Most countries apply latin laws which are improved by french laws. The key is in using sharia laws. Sharia laws are sadly part of civil laws.

I thank you for posting questions in that respectful manner...

With respect,

1 - you did not answer my question. There is no reason to say that pigs are less clean than any other farmyard animal. Saying they are is irrational and not bounded by any scientific backing. Pigs are not cheap either - have you seen the price of bacon recently?

2 - The Koran does not prove Gods existance. Proof, in a scientific context, is supported by evidence aside from testemony. The scientific framework is deductive, meaning there are no first principles! That is why the scientific framework would find no evidence of truth in the source of any religion.

3 - The Koran says in 2:62 that "Only those Jews and Christians who convert to Islam will be rewarded with heaven". The Koran specifically mentions acts of violence towards infidels and dissuades islamists from having Christian friends. (i.e. 9:5, 5:54). Do you interpret these verses differently to me? Why would this be written in the Koran, if there is just the one God?

4 - Perhaps you miss the Kuwait law forbidding women to vote, repression of the Bidun, and police repression of political agitants and reporters appearing throughout the Amnesty International website. Sharia law, a fundamental Islamic construct, represses alternative views and restricts peoples' freedom to choose. It ultimatley disposes the fate of entire nations to the whims of the religious bigots.

I appreciate your further answers and discussion, although I know it says in the Koran that Islamic people should never argue with infidels about Islam. In fact, here's what is says in the Koran about people who "disbelieve" in Islam. Surely, with over 500 quotes inciting hatred and death to unbelievers in the Koran, is it any wonder that some people "mis-interpret" it and commit terrorist acts, based on their understanding of these texts?

1- Repeat: Pigs live on trash. They're being raised in dirty farms and the feed on what they get rid of= they feed on sh**.

2- No. Don't takeverses out of context please. I am muslim and Arab therefore I understand and you don't.

3-Same..

4-I live in Kuwait and I work in bidoon/statless issues as I'm an activist... please don't teach me about what's going on in my own country! Please please please! I know because I live there! All you're doing is looking on wikipedia and googling for things while I actually live there!

Women in Kuwait got their rights after a battle which lasted for 40 years. Kuwait was an independant state in year 1961. The women in us got their rights after 200 something years... they got their political rights in the 60s after burining their bras and refusing to eat or work and the U.S. was an independant country in 1789. I studied that so please don't try to tell me that what I have studied is wrong and do not always wikipedia because it's not accurate. Wikipedia takes articles from one resource while we read cases of different countries and writers everyday! Wikipedia publishes the articles which go along with their views and belifes, while we study cases and articles which go against our views and what we believe in. I'm both educated and a Kuwaity person so not listening to me directly and reading something which is copied from books written by an orientlist who only lived in the middle east for two weeks is what I call ignorance!

And amnesty website needs an update because women got their political rights in june 05!

Andthat has thing got do with this whole issue... Islam says give the people their basic rights and latin laws which are mostly done by people and sadly laws in my country are being made by unworthy people don't give the bidoon their basic rights! Didn't I say the key is in using the sharia laws?

1 - Pigs eat pig food. All farmyard animals live in and eat their own crap - all of them! Go to a farm and see for yourself... Views about dirtyness have changed radically in the past few years. The real stuff to worry about is the stuff you can't see. This new focus on bacterial and viral cleanlyness make Koranic views on hygene redundant. Pigs are no more dirty than any other farmyard animal.

2 - Can only Arabs understand, or are you just being arrogant?

3 - Lazy? Or can't answer?

4 - Women have had the vote for just 2 years? Can they hold any positions in office? Are you saying unworthy Imams are running your country? Are they not place there by Allah?

Ok read my post again.

Latin laws are made by people and Kuwait took laws from egypt which took laws from france which took latin laws which are made by man. The solution to all problems is my applying the sharia laws and don't hurt my head please... just how old are you? Seriously?

I'm studying law. I'm aware of the law my country is applying and you're not.

I'm muslim I read quran everyday in the morning and you don't.

I'm arab and live in Kuwait and I know what happens there and you don't. Do you see why my asnwers are right?

Can I be where you are say wrong things about you? Wouldn't that be soooo irretating?

Are women Equal to men in Islam?

[QUOTE="hagiiiiiiiiii"][QUOTE="GettingTired"][QUOTE="gamingqueen"]GettingTired

So it's justice you seek? You see divine justice, some sort of revenge? And most nations have secular governments. You wish to impose religion as some sort of ruling book? I guess that explains why gays are executed is Islamic countries for no reason.

And Buddhists overcome evil by overcoming the main causes of society deems "evil", such as hate, greed, and a loss of self-control. If anything, Buddhists practice the most discipline.
And, evil is purely subjective too. Evil is not some sort of objective force out to consume people.

Ok thanks for sharing.. we're here to asnwer questions regarding Islam.

Are women Equal to men in Islam?

123625

yes... they can do whatever they want.

Are women Equal to men in Islam?

123625

Are women Equal to men in Islam?

123625

Sure I am 8)

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Are women Equal to men in Islam?

hagiiiiiiiiii

your Quran says that its ok to beat women lightly if they do not obey or are not obedient. Plus it also says a man can marry up to 4 wives.

Now if what you say "yes they are(eqauls to men)" is ture they are allowed to this no?

[QUOTE="GettingTired"]

So it's justice you seek? You see divine justice, some sort of revenge? And most nations have secular governments. You wish to impose religion as some sort of ruling book? I guess that explains why gays are executed is Islamic countries for no reason.

And Buddhists overcome evil by overcoming the main causes of society deems "evil", such as hate, greed, and a loss of self-control. If anything, Buddhists practice the most discipline.
And, evil is purely subjective too. Evil is not some sort of objective force out to consume people.

gamingqueen

[QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

I have a few Islamic flavoured questions...

1) Why are pigs dirtier than other farmyard animals?

2) Why trust the same scientific framework for discovery that would find no evidence of Allah?

3) Seeing as the Koran is based on the same Arameic writings as the Old Testement, do you believe the Christian God is the same God as the Islamic God? If so, why are Christians thought of similarly to infidels by Muslims? (For example, they will be danmed in the afterlife...)

4) Why do Islamic people not believe in freedom of democracy and other peoples' views, rather impose Sharia law on Islamic societies? I'm sure you can see that in societies where Sharia law is in place, there is great hatred, radicalism, corruption and human rights attrocities, almost without exception...

With regards,

hagiiiiiiiiii

1 - There is no scientific reasoning that makes pigs any less or more dirty than other animals. Beef carry "mad cow" disease and all hooved animals are suscepible to foot and mouth disease. Please provide some sound scientific reasoning for this view.

2 - Your statement lead me to my question, which was Why trust the same scientific framework for discovery that would find no evidence of Allah?

3 - I don't think its true that Christians believe in 3 gods. The origins of the Koran and the Bible are clearly evidenced through archaological and historical research.

4 - Great empires have often been built on repression throughout history. It does not make it an acceptable blue-print though. It is not always true that alternative beliefs can be practised in such a religious state. The Koran has some rather nasty and blood-thirsty things to say about non-believers. Corruption can be blamed on Sharia law, as the people in power can not easily be removed, as they can always argue that divine guidance has placed them there. The "Democracy" you speak of then has no freedom.

Why do Islamists still need to empire build? Are our borders not satisfactory for you?

[QUOTE="hagiiiiiiiiii"][QUOTE="123625"]

your Quran says that its ok to beat women lightly if they do not obey or are not obedient. Plus it also says a man can marry up to 4 wives.

Now if what you say "yes they are(eqauls to men)" is ture they are allowed to this no?

123625

[QUOTE="hagiiiiiiiiii"][QUOTE="123625"]

Are women Equal to men in Islam?

123625

your Quran says that its ok to beat women lightly if they do not obey or are not obedient. Plus it also says a man can marry up to 4 wives.

Now if what you say "yes they are(eqauls to men)" is ture they are allowed to this no?

Heres a direct verse

Quran 4:34 As to women on whose ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them.

Refuse to share their beds, beat them ; but if they reutrn to obedience, seek not against them ; for allah is most high,

Yo rasnex and hagi I'm calling it a day take care guys!

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="hagiiiiiiiiii"][QUOTE="123625"]

your Quran says that its ok to beat women lightly if they do not obey or are not obedient. Plus it also says a man can marry up to 4 wives.

Now if what you say "yes they are(eqauls to men)" is ture they are allowed to this no?

hagiiiiiiiiii

Ok so a man can marry 4 women and treat them equally. But cana women do this to four men? if she cannot she is not eqaul in Islamic society.

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="hagiiiiiiiiii"][QUOTE="123625"]

Are women Equal to men in Islam?

123625

your Quran says that its ok to beat women lightly if they do not obey or are not obedient. Plus it also says a man can marry up to 4 wives.

Now if what you say "yes they are(eqauls to men)" is ture they are allowed to this no?

Heres a direct verse

Quran 4:34 As to women on whose ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them.

Refuse to share their beds, beat them ; but if they reutrn to obedience, seek not against them ; for allah is most high,

disloyalty and ill-conduct

meaning if your wife cheats on you can beat them lightly and btw a women can divorce her husband whenever she wants...

[QUOTE="hagiiiiiiiiii"][QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

RationalAtheist

#2. Science doesn't prove everything, besides, Islam commands you to study science.

#3. Because they believe in 3 gods, not one. We believe that the Bible has been changed, it is not the original bible that was written by Jesus.

#4. Yes societies who impose shariat are in corruption, but, this cannot be blamed on Shariat it self, for Shariat when followed properly, the greatest Empires arose and gave the world the light. Freedom of democracy for an Islamic society is Shariat. As for non muslims, they are allowed to practice their religious rights even if they live in Shariat.

1 - There is no scientific reasoning that makes pigs any less or more dirty than other animals. Beef carry "mad cow" disease and all hooved animals are suscepible to foot and mouth disease. Please provide some sound scientific reasoning for this view.

2 - Your statement lead me to my question, which was Why trust the same scientific framework for discovery that would find no evidence of Allah?

3 - I don't think its true that Christians believe in 3 gods. The origins of the Koran and the Bible are clearly evidenced through archaological and historical research.

4 - Great empires have often been built on repression throughout history. It does not make it an acceptable blue-print though. It is not always true that alternative beliefs can be practised in such a religious state. The Koran has some rather nasty and blood-thirsty things to say about non-believers. Corruption can be blamed on Sharia law, as the people in power can not easily be removed, as they can always argue that divine guidance has placed them there. The "Democracy" you speak of then has no freedom.

Why do Islamists still need to empire build? Are our borders not satisfactory for you?

Yo rasnex and hagi I'm calling it a day take care guys!

gamingqueen

yes take care...

Yo rasnex and hagi I'm calling it a day take care guys!

gamingqueen

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="hagiiiiiiiiii"][QUOTE="123625"]

Are women Equal to men in Islam?

NasRex

your Quran says that its ok to beat women lightly if they do not obey or are not obedient. Plus it also says a man can marry up to 4 wives.

Now if what you say "yes they are(eqauls to men)" is ture they are allowed to this no?

Heres a direct verse

Quran 4:34 As to women on whose ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them.

Refuse to share their beds, beat them ; but if they reutrn to obedience, seek not against them ; for allah is most high,

disloyalty and ill-conduct

meaning if your wife cheats on you can beat them lightly and btw a women can divorce her husband whenever she wants...

Still it says women have to be obedient and OBEY MAN. Sorry i cant understand how you muslims allow a 9 year old girl to be married.

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="hagiiiiiiiiii"][QUOTE="123625"]

Are women Equal to men in Islam?

NasRex

your Quran says that its ok to beat women lightly if they do not obey or are not obedient. Plus it also says a man can marry up to 4 wives.

Now if what you say "yes they are(eqauls to men)" is ture they are allowed to this no?

Heres a direct verse

Quran 4:34 As to women on whose ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them.

Refuse to share their beds, beat them ; but if they reutrn to obedience, seek not against them ; for allah is most high,

disloyalty and ill-conduct

meaning if your wife cheats on you can beat them lightly and btw a women can divorce her husband whenever she wants...

How peaceful.

[QUOTE="hagiiiiiiiiii"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="hagiiiiiiiiii"][QUOTE="123625"]

your Quran says that its ok to beat women lightly if they do not obey or are not obedient. Plus it also says a man can marry up to 4 wives.

Now if what you say "yes they are(eqauls to men)" is ture they are allowed to this no?

123625

Ok so a man can marry 4 women and treat them equally. But cana women do this to four men? if she cannot she is not eqaul in Islamic society.

[QUOTE="NasRex"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="hagiiiiiiiiii"][QUOTE="123625"]

Still it says women have to be obedient and OBEY MAN. Sorry i cant understand how you muslims allow a 9 year old girl to be married.

123625

[QUOTE="NasRex"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="hagiiiiiiiiii"][QUOTE="123625"]

Are women Equal to men in Islam?

GettingTired

your Quran says that its ok to beat women lightly if they do not obey or are not obedient. Plus it also says a man can marry up to 4 wives.

Now if what you say "yes they are(eqauls to men)" is ture they are allowed to this no?

Heres a direct verse

Quran 4:34 As to women on whose ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them.

Refuse to share their beds, beat them ; but if they reutrn to obedience, seek not against them ; for allah is most high,

disloyalty and ill-conduct

meaning if your wife cheats on you can beat them lightly and btw a women can divorce her husband whenever she wants...

How peaceful.

domestic violence and murder in America :LOL:

Ok read my post again.

Latin laws are made by people and Kuwait took laws from egypt which took laws from france which took latin laws which are made by man. The solution to all problems is my applying the sharia laws and don't hurt my head please... just how old are you? Seriously?

I'm studying law. I'm aware of the law my country is applying and you're not.

I'm muslim I read quran everyday in the morning and you don't.

I'm arab and live in Kuwait and I know what happens there and you don't. Do you see why my asnwers are right?

Can I be where you are say wrong things about you? Wouldn't that be soooo irretating?

gamingqueen

What has your ramble with the origins of law have with this debate? Remember, I'm saying I think Sharia law is bad because it does not take laws based on reason into it. For example, British law changes to reflect the changes in the society its designed to protect and represent. Sharia law imposes rulers that can not be changed, no matter how evil they are.

As a law student, you will know that Kuwait Law is made publically accessible to other nations.

I don't need to read the Koran every morning. I can read one verse from the Koran, disagree with it, then ask some questions on the friendly titled "Any questions in Islam" thread.

You have not given me any answers to my questions. If you would care to read them again, perhaps you will notice this.

Your patronising comments are coming across as hilarious to me! What have I said that is wrong?

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="hagiiiiiiiiii"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="hagiiiiiiiiii"][QUOTE="123625"]

your Quran says that its ok to beat women lightly if they do not obey or are not obedient. Plus it also says a man can marry up to 4 wives.

Now if what you say "yes they are(eqauls to men)" is ture they are allowed to this no?

hagiiiiiiiiii

Ok so a man can marry 4 women and treat them equally. But cana women do this to four men? if she cannot she is not eqaul in Islamic society.

Im not talking about equal beliefs im talking about Equal rights! Also did you know thata muslim women cannot be in front of the man when they prey to the five pillars. wanna know why cause women are distractions, according to islam. i guess men cant control themselves.

[QUOTE="GettingTired"][QUOTE="NasRex"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="hagiiiiiiiiii"][QUOTE="123625"]

Are women Equal to men in Islam?

NasRex

your Quran says that its ok to beat women lightly if they do not obey or are not obedient. Plus it also says a man can marry up to 4 wives.

Now if what you say "yes they are(eqauls to men)" is ture they are allowed to this no?

Heres a direct verse

Quran 4:34 As to women on whose ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them.

Refuse to share their beds, beat them ; but if they reutrn to obedience, seek not against them ; for allah is most high,

disloyalty and ill-conduct

meaning if your wife cheats on you can beat them lightly and btw a women can divorce her husband whenever she wants...

How peaceful.

domestic violence and murder in America :LOL:

[QUOTE="hagiiiiiiiiii"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="hagiiiiiiiiii"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="hagiiiiiiiiii"][QUOTE="123625"]

your Quran says that its ok to beat women lightly if they do not obey or are not obedient. Plus it also says a man can marry up to 4 wives.

Now if what you say "yes they are(eqauls to men)" is ture they are allowed to this no?

123625

Ok so a man can marry 4 women and treat them equally. But cana women do this to four men? if she cannot she is not eqaul in Islamic society.

Im not talking about equal beliefs im talking about Equal rights! Also did you know thata muslim women cannot be in front of the man when they prey to the five pillars. wanna know why cause women are distractions, according to islam. i guess men cant control themselves.

g2g, i'll be back later on, take care everyone.NasRex

[QUOTE="RationalAtheist"][QUOTE="hagiiiiiiiiii"][QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

hagiiiiiiiiii

#2. Science doesn't prove everything, besides, Islam commands you to study science.

#3. Because they believe in 3 gods, not one. We believe that the Bible has been changed, it is not the original bible that was written by Jesus.

#4. Yes societies who impose shariat are in corruption, but, this cannot be blamed on Shariat it self, for Shariat when followed properly, the greatest Empires arose and gave the world the light. Freedom of democracy for an Islamic society is Shariat. As for non muslims, they are allowed to practice their religious rights even if they live in Shariat.

1 - There is no scientific reasoning that makes pigs any less or more dirty than other animals. Beef carry "mad cow" disease and all hooved animals are suscepible to foot and mouth disease. Please provide some sound scientific reasoning for this view.

2 - Your statement lead me to my question, which was Why trust the same scientific framework for discovery that would find no evidence of Allah?

3 - I don't think its true that Christians believe in 3 gods. The origins of the Koran and the Bible are clearly evidenced through archaological and historical research.

4 - Great empires have often been built on repression throughout history. It does not make it an acceptable blue-print though. It is not always true that alternative beliefs can be practised in such a religious state. The Koran has some rather nasty and blood-thirsty things to say about non-believers. Corruption can be blamed on Sharia law, as the people in power can not easily be removed, as they can always argue that divine guidance has placed them there. The "Democracy" you speak of then has no freedom.

Why do Islamists still need to empire build? Are our borders not satisfactory for you?

1 - What disease is evident in pigs? How are they less clean than other farmyard animals?

2 - No, science acknowledges this. Why should it have to explain everything? Science does not jump to conclusions. Scientific discovery is still in its infancy - but look how far its come in the last 40 years.

3 - No - I'm asking you. The Trinity is a Catholic teaching. Most christians simply believe in God and Jesus as the Son of God.

4 - Algebra was Greek, running water was Roman - all pre-Mohammad. your evidence is weak!

My borders are fine. I live in the UK, and the sea does a good enough job of defining them. Remember that the American people were behind the war in Iraq, where they removed a despotic tyrant from power. Personally I marched with 2 million others in opposition to the war - something for which the British public never forgave Blair.

Wouldn't you say all this talk of Islamic empire building would make other nations try and stop it to protect themseves?

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="hagiiiiiiiiii"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="hagiiiiiiiiii"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="hagiiiiiiiiii"][QUOTE="123625"]

your Quran says that its ok to beat women lightly if they do not obey or are not obedient. Plus it also says a man can marry up to 4 wives.

Now if what you say "yes they are(eqauls to men)" is ture they are allowed to this no?

hagiiiiiiiiii

Ok so a man can marry 4 women and treat them equally. But cana women do this to four men? if she cannot she is not eqaul in Islamic society.

Im not talking about equal beliefs im talking about Equal rights! Also did you know thata muslim women cannot be in front of the man when they prey to the five pillars. wanna know why cause women are distractions, according to islam. i guess men cant control themselves.

Still i have proven my point. Islamic women do not have equal rights when compared to man. Also if you respect women WHY beat them? if you gotta a problem with your wife talk about it and work it out. Theres no need to Beat women.

And now i ask one question can a women Beat a man if he is not loyal? i dont want a complicated answer i want a yes or no answer? and i want the verse to please so i can see it if the women can.

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="NasRex"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="gamingqueen"]

[QUOTE="GettingTired"]Why do you believe in Islam?NasRex

Because it makes most sense... It is a religion of peace.

Wow i may be ignorent but it sure hasnt shown itself to be a religion of peace.

same can be said about christians.

What do you mean give me an example please.

Every heard of something called Spanish Inquisition?

what ever happend to those poor 1st nations and all that gold?

you want more?

Haha, this made me laugh. Do you really have to look that far back in history to come up with examples?

We can all do the same. Here's one, the Arab take over of north africa, followed by spain.

How about something more recent: nigeria, sudan, indonesia, etc.

Admit it, if the best you can do is come up with some 500 year old example of injustice and religious bigotry on the part of overzealous christians, then please let the issue rest. But if you want to have a real discussion then you'll realize that not just have muslims committed numerous atrocities against the unbelievers throughout the years, they CONTINUE to commit such acts to this very day, things much worse than the inquisition (which mind you is exaggerated, barely anyone was actually killed).

If one were to tally up the numbers, i think that you guys would win in that department.

[QUOTE="gamingqueen"]

What has your ramble with the origins of law have with this debate? Remember, I'm saying I think Sharia law is bad because it does not take laws based on reason into it. For example, British law changes to reflect the changes in the society its designed to protect and represent. Sharia law imposes rulers that can not be changed, no matter how evil they are.

As a law student, you will know that Kuwait Law is made publically accessible to other nations.

I don't need to read the Koran every morning. I can read one verse from the Koran, disagree with it, then ask some questions on the friendly titled "Any questions in Islam" thread.

You have not given me any answers to my questions. If you would care to read them again, perhaps you will notice this.

Your patronising comments are coming across as hilarious to me! What have I said that is wrong?

RationalAtheist

[QUOTE="hagiiiiiiiiii"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="hagiiiiiiiiii"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="hagiiiiiiiiii"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="hagiiiiiiiiii"][QUOTE="123625"]

123625

Still i have proven my point. Islamic women do not have equal rights when compared to man. Also if you respect women WHY beat them? if you gotta a problem with your wife talk about it and work it out. Theres no need to Beat women.

And now i ask one question can a women Beat a man if he is not loyal? i dont want a complicated answer i want a yes or no answer? and i want the verse to please so i can see it if the women can.

[QUOTE="hagiiiiiiiiii"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="hagiiiiiiiiii"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="hagiiiiiiiiii"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="hagiiiiiiiiii"][QUOTE="123625"]

your Quran says that its ok to beat women lightly if they do not obey or are not obedient. Plus it also says a man can marry up to 4 wives.

Now if what you say "yes they are(eqauls to men)" is ture they are allowed to this no?

123625

Ok so a man can marry 4 women and treat them equally. But cana women do this to four men? if she cannot she is not eqaul in Islamic society.

Im not talking about equal beliefs im talking about Equal rights! Also did you know thata muslim women cannot be in front of the man when they prey to the five pillars. wanna know why cause women are distractions, according to islam. i guess men cant control themselves.

Still i have proven my point. Islamic women do not have equal rights when compared to man. Also if you respect women WHY beat them? if you gotta a problem with your wife talk about it and work it out. Theres no need to Beat women.

And now i ask one question can a women Beat a man if he is not loyal? i dont want a complicated answer i want a yes or no answer? and i want the verse to please so i can see it if the women can.

i found another point. The only reason women are well mannered is because they are afraid. If they do anything wrong they will be beaten or abused.

Still i would like an answer for the above question to.

[QUOTE="NasRex"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="NasRex"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="gamingqueen"]

Haha, this made me laugh. Do you really have to look that far back in history to come up with examples?

We can all do the same. Here's one, the Arab take over of north africa, followed by spain.

How about something more recent: nigeria, sudan, indonesia, etc.

Admit it, if the best you can do is come up with some 500 year old example of injustice and religious bigotry on the part of overzealous christians, then please let the issue rest. But if you want to have a real discussion then you'll realize that not just have muslims committed numerous atrocities against the unbelievers throughout the years, they CONTINUE to commit such acts to this very day, things much worse than the inquisition (which mind you is exaggerated, barely anyone was actually killed).

If one were to tally up the numbers, i think that you guys would win in that department.

spierdalaj666

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hagiiiiiiiiii

Still i have proven my point. Islamic women do not have equal rights when compared to man. Also if you respect women WHY beat them? if you gotta a problem with your wife talk about it and work it out. Theres no need to Beat women.

And now i ask one question can a women Beat a man if he is not loyal? i dont want a complicated answer i want a yes or no answer? and i want the verse to please so i can see it if the women can.

So your prophet didnt do it! big whoop! doesnt mean Muslim men arnt doing it today (within Islamic country's).

i would still like an answer for the above question.

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i found another point. The only reason women are well mannered is because they are afraid. If they do anything wrong they will be beaten or abused.

Still i would like an answer for the above question to.

123625

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"]

Is leviticus too part of old testament? Can some christian tell me that why is old testament part of Bible when Christians are only meant to follow New Testament?

RationalAtheist

Because God is the same God...and the OT prophesied Jesus' coming. However, the culture and Jewish laws of that period are considered archaic and not necessary to faith in God.

Yes Leviticus is part of the OT.

You say all Gods are really just one God, but a survey by the BBCsays "When asked if their God was the only true God, 95% of Muslims said yes, compared with 68% of Christians and 66% of Jews." If the god is the same, why are the laws and beliefs so different, assuming all religions are following Gods divine teachings?

That has nothing to do with what I stated dude. Most laws are reflective of the culture of the time.

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Still i have proven my point. Islamic women do not have equal rights when compared to man. Also if you respect women WHY beat them? if you gotta a problem with your wife talk about it and work it out. Theres no need to Beat women.

And now i ask one question can a women Beat a man if he is not loyal? i dont want a complicated answer i want a yes or no answer? and i want the verse to please so i can see it if the women can.

So your prophet didnt do it! big whoop! doesnt mean Muslim men arnt doing it today (within Islamic country's).

i would still like an answer for the above question.

What has your ramble with the origins of law have with this debate? Remember, I'm saying I think Sharia law is bad because it does not take laws based on reason into it. For example, British law changes to reflect the changes in the society its designed to protect and represent. Sharia law imposes rulers that can not be changed, no matter how evil they are.

As a law student, you will know that Kuwait Law is made publically accessible to other nations.

I don't need to read the Koran every morning. I can read one verse from the Koran, disagree with it, then ask some questions on the friendly titled "Any questions in Islam" thread.

You have not given me any answers to my questions. If you would care to read them again, perhaps you will notice this.

Your patronising comments are coming across as hilarious to me! What have I said that is wrong?

RationalAtheist

Listen friend, you cannot expect people who are truly devout to use logic and reason in their arguments.

You simply have to dismiss anyone who says "science cannot prove anything". If they were to really believe this then they would never take any medications because scientists had to prove that it was efficacious.

People like this individual actually believe that desert dwellers 1500-4000 years ago knew more about the world and how things work than we do now with our current technology. And if you were to question their interpretation then you're a blasphemer. Think about how much one has to be disconnected from reality to believe that. This is the same logic that put galileo on trial and we know who was right (as always) on that one.

[QUOTE="spierdalaj666"][QUOTE="NasRex"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="NasRex"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="gamingqueen"]

Haha, this made me laugh. Do you really have to look that far back in history to come up with examples?

We can all do the same. Here's one, the Arab take over of north africa, followed by spain.

How about something more recent: nigeria, sudan, indonesia, etc.

Admit it, if the best you can do is come up with some 500 year old example of injustice and religious bigotry on the part of overzealous christians, then please let the issue rest. But if you want to have a real discussion then you'll realize that not just have muslims committed numerous atrocities against the unbelievers throughout the years, they CONTINUE to commit such acts to this very day, things much worse than the inquisition (which mind you is exaggerated, barely anyone was actually killed).

If one were to tally up the numbers, i think that you guys would win in that department.

hagiiiiiiiiii

wow your ignorence blinds you. Muhammad went around slaughtering Jews because they wouldnt follow him. They choose to beleive their words from god.

[QUOTE="RationalAtheist"][QUOTE="gamingqueen"]

What has your ramble with the origins of law have with this debate? Remember, I'm saying I think Sharia law is bad because it does not take laws based on reason into it. For example, British law changes to reflect the changes in the society its designed to protect and represent. Sharia law imposes rulers that can not be changed, no matter how evil they are.

As a law student, you will know that Kuwait Law is made publically accessible to other nations.

I don't need to read the Koran every morning. I can read one verse from the Koran, disagree with it, then ask some questions on the friendly titled "Any questions in Islam" thread.

You have not given me any answers to my questions. If you would care to read them again, perhaps you will notice this.

Your patronising comments are coming across as hilarious to me! What have I said that is wrong?

hagiiiiiiiiii

It depends on the society you are discussing. I'm saying laws should be changed to reflect society for the better or worse. Actual murder rates are on the decline in the UK. The fear of crime is enhanced in the minds of the UK public by somewhat obsessive coverage of it on TV. Sentencing for murderers has changed little in the recent past. However, the death sentance denies the possibility of mistakes, so personally I would stick with UK law, with a "life" sentance for murder.

Surely the way to go about reducing murders is to understand why it is committed and reduce the potential for it to happen. Reasons may change as society evolves. In the UK in the last 50 years, we have had to adapt to new ways of working, travelling, eating and living. Our very social nature has changed. There is less murder now, per capita, despite the size of society increasing dramatically in that time. For this, you will gather that law making should be an iterative and evolutionary process without fixed doctrines that have proven through millenia not to work to the benefit of society.

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hagiiiiiiiiii

Still i have proven my point. Islamic women do not have equal rights when compared to man. Also if you respect women WHY beat them? if you gotta a problem with your wife talk about it and work it out. Theres no need to Beat women.

And now i ask one question can a women Beat a man if he is not loyal? i dont want a complicated answer i want a yes or no answer? and i want the verse to please so i can see it if the women can.

So your prophet didnt do it! big whoop! doesnt mean Muslim men arnt doing it today (within Islamic country's).

i would still like an answer for the above question.

Then i have defiantly proven my point. Women are not equal to men in Islamic society in term of rights. Who say's i see these things on tv? i dont see these things on tv because of politcal correctness. i have to go on the internet and REsearch these things.

Heres another question. If the husband is about to kill the wife for whatever reason.( just as an example) What shouldthe women do, according to islamic tradition.

[QUOTE="spierdalaj666"][QUOTE="NasRex"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="NasRex"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="gamingqueen"]

Haha, this made me laugh. Do you really have to look that far back in history to come up with examples?

We can all do the same. Here's one, the Arab take over of north africa, followed by spain.

How about something more recent: nigeria, sudan, indonesia, etc.

Admit it, if the best you can do is come up with some 500 year old example of injustice and religious bigotry on the part of overzealous christians, then please let the issue rest. But if you want to have a real discussion then you'll realize that not just have muslims committed numerous atrocities against the unbelievers throughout the years, they CONTINUE to commit such acts to this very day, things much worse than the inquisition (which mind you is exaggerated, barely anyone was actually killed).

If one were to tally up the numbers, i think that you guys would win in that department.

hagiiiiiiiiii

wow, what have you been smoking. How have muslims not colonized a single country? How about india, spain, greece and the balkans?

Does your second statement refer to the ottoman invasions of europe? Otherwise i'm baffled.

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#1. Mad cow is not evident in all cows that theory is not valid.

#2. Science cannot prove everything.

#3.It's better if you get somone who is Christian to answer that.

#4. It is true in Islamic states. The non believers have led their lives in peace in Islamic nations. Corruption cannot be blamed on Shariat, it can be blamed on people for misusing it, if what you say is valid, then we can also thank Shariat for bringing Algebra and many other inventions to this world. We can thank the Arabs for inventing Algebra, brining Europe the idea of taking shower in running water, lots and lots more. We can thank the Ottomans for opening up a new era. All of these ideas can be related to Shariat. It depends on how you look at it. You take the negative and blame it on the Shariat undermining the positive.

You're borders are not satisfactory even for you, that's why America is in Iraq and many other countries. Speaking of democracy.....
RationalAtheist

1 - What disease is evident in pigs? How are they less clean than other farmyard animals?

2 - No, science acknowledges this. Why should it have to explain everything? Science does not jump to conclusions. Scientific discovery is still in its infancy - but look how far its come in the last 40 years.

3 - No - I'm asking you. The Trinity is a Catholic teaching. Most christians simply believe in God and Jesus as the Son of God.

4 - Algebra was Greek, running water was Roman - all pre-Mohammad. your evidence is weak!

My borders are fine. I live in the UK, and the sea does a good enough job of defining them. Remember that the American people were behind the war in Iraq, where they removed a despotic tyrant from power. Personally I marched with 2 million others in opposition to the war - something for which the British public never forgave Blair.

Wouldn't you say all this talk of Islamic empire building would make other nations try and stop it to protect themseves?

Listen friend, you cannot expect people who are truly devout to use logic and reason in their arguments.

You simply have to dismiss anyone who says "science cannot prove anything". If they were to really believe this then they would never take any medications because scientists had to prove that it was efficacious.

People like this individual actually believe that desert dwellers 1500-4000 years ago knew more about the world and how things work than we do now with our current technology. And if you were to question their interpretation then you're a blasphemer. Think about how much one has to be disconnected from reality to believe that. This is the same logic that put galileo on trial and we know who was right (as always) on that one.

spierdalaj666

I know, through my single tracked atheist usage of this site, about the effect of my questions on others.

I do not expect answers that will fulfil me. I aim to expose errors in religious thinking for the benefit of the many people reading these threads (and not necessarily contributing to them).

For a start, I think the OP said "science does not prove everything" - a big difference to your interpretation.

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spierdalaj666

wow, what have you been smoking. How have muslims not colonized a single country? How about india, spain, greece and the balkans?

Does your second statement refer to the ottoman invasions of europe? Otherwise i'm baffled.