Are you pro-life or pro-choice?

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

Thats a load of nonsense. The pro-choice movement doesn't pressure people to have an abortion, making things up doesn't help your argument.

Genetic_Code

Considering the pro-abortion movement advocates abortion as necessary when it's not, I don't think it's always an uncoerced choice.

]Coathangers for all!Ace6301

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]]Coathangers for all!Sunsha

Pro-life. People shouldn't be taking risks they're unable to face the consequences for.

Pro-life. People shouldn't be taking risks they're unable to face the consequences for.

Tigerman950

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Pro-choice. If you outlaw abortion all you do is create a black market. So pro-choice for practical reasons.Genetic_Code

That doesn't make sense. If abortion is outlawed, women who would've otherwised had an abortion because it's legal would not. It would also remove much of the pressure that the pro-abortion movement has on pregnant women to abort. It doesn't make any logical sense that a woman who would've not had an abortion would have an abortion simply because it wasn't legal. Abortion would only go down.

that doesn't sound pro choice if anyone is being pressured to abort. I don't think the abortion movement is trying to increase some score through more abortions.

I think the point is that if abortion were made completely illegal, the abortions that would still happen would happen without any saftey regulations and would overall mean a huge risk to the health of the woman.

I am 100% Pro-Choice...

I am pro-life in many senses. For example, I am against abortion, against the death penalty, and am nearly pacifist with regards to war (defense from a foreign oppressor on your own soil being the most clear exception). I dislike the idea of taking a person's life period.mindstorm

Pro-Life,(in most cases) It was your mistake you are pregnant you can suffer through the pregnancy and birth and either keep the child if you feel your financial and emotionally able to be Parent or give it up for adoption to a family who are unable to conceive or have kids or a family who just prefer to adopt I dont believe we should kill a unborn child when there are better alternative AKA: Adoption available.

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]I am pro-life in many senses. For example, I am against abortion, against the death penalty, and am nearly pacifist with regards to war (defense from a foreign oppressor on your own soil being the most clear exception). I dislike the idea of taking a person's life period.layton2012

Pro-Life,(in most cases) It was your mistake you are pregnant you can suffer through the pregnancy and birth and either keep the child if you feel your financial and emotionally able to be Parent or give it up for adoption to a family who are unable to conceive or have kids or a family who just prefer to adopt I dont believe we should kill a unborn child when there are better alternative AKA: Adoption available.

But if a case where the Mother's health is at risk I approve of abortion but only if the Mother's health is at risk

I personally am pro-death, this world is overpopulated. (if your butt is easily hurt leave this thread)

ConkerAndBerri2

I'm pro-life. Personhood begins at conception, since the characteristics of each person are determined at fertilization and develop long after birth. An embryo is not part of the mother's body, since a mother does not possess 23 extra chromosomes nor can she develop an extra heart, an extra brain, or occasionally male genitalia. Therefore, she does not have autonomy over the body of her child because it's not her body.

Genetic_Code

The wierd thing is..... Many Pro-choice got higher tendency to convert to Vegetarianism....hippiesanta

The wierd thing is..... Many Pro-choice got higher tendency to convert to Vegetarianism....hippiesanta

But not veganism.

... that way they can still eat eggs.

Pro-choice.

[QUOTE="hippiesanta"]The wierd thing is..... Many Pro-choice got higher tendency to convert to Vegetarianism....DroidPhysX

Pro choice. I see no reason why a completely logical person will ever be pro life. Unless they are very religious....MgamerBD

Because life is the most fundamental of all rights? If there's an eternity before you're born and an eternity after you die, I see no reason to deny someone their ~80 years of existence.

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]Pro choice. I see no reason why a completely logical person will ever be pro life. Unless they are very religious....fidosim

Because life is the most fundamental of all rights? If there's an eternity before you're born and an eternity after you die, I see no reason to deny someone their ~80 years of existence.

[QUOTE="fidosim"]

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]Pro choice. I see no reason why a completely logical person will ever be pro life. Unless they are very religious....Animatronic64

Because life is the most fundamental of all rights? If there's an eternity before you're born and an eternity after you die, I see no reason to deny someone their ~80 years of existence.

We are all clusters of cells bro. Likedust in the wind. All we are is dust in the wind.

Reading these threads, I just play, "Every Sperm Is Sacred' and laugh. No side is well represented... far from it. "Let the heathen spill theirs, on the dusty ground. God shall make them pay, for each sperm that can't be found!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kJHQpvgB8

Reading these threads, I just play, "Every Sperm Is Sacred' and laugh. No side is well represented... far from it. "Let the heathen spill theirs, on the dusty ground. God shall make them pay, for each sperm that can't be found!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kJHQpvgB8

Frame_Dragger

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"]

Reading these threads, I just play, "Every Sperm Is Sacred' and laugh. No side is well represented... far from it. "Let the heathen spill theirs, on the dusty ground. God shall make them pay, for each sperm that can't be found!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kJHQpvgB8

Animatronic64

Yeah well, we manage to ignore things like people starving to death, which disproportionately effects the young. The notion that we're trying to give people the chance to fulfull potential is laughable, whatever one's stance on abortion. As for sperm, dare I raise the issue of cannibalism implied?! Yeah... I guess I just did. :D

[QUOTE="Animatronic64"]

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"]

Reading these threads, I just play, "Every Sperm Is Sacred' and laugh. No side is well represented... far from it. "Let the heathen spill theirs, on the dusty ground. God shall make them pay, for each sperm that can't be found!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kJHQpvgB8

Frame_Dragger

Yeah well, we manage to ignore things like people starving to death, which disproportionately effects the young. The notion that we're trying to give people the chance to fulfull potential is laughable, whatever one's stance on abortion. As for sperm, dare I raise the issue of cannibalism implied?! Yeah... I guess I just did. :D

Pro-life and a deist. If you are close to becoming a human being, just go with it. Why deny the chance to experience this world. Whether it be miserable time and you suicide or you have a great life, you're only going to be alive for a few years compared to the amount of time your going to be nonexistant.

pro-choice, it is the only fair and equal one

I, or anyone else, cannot force someone to keep a baby any more than I can force them to abort it. As a result, it is the individuals choice.

I'm pro life.

I look around at people and I just imagine what life would be like if they were to have gotten aborted, all these people and all their personalities and ideas and talents and hopes and dreams. All the happiness they brought to others and the life they have made for themselves and brought into the world, all the potentiol they have, and then just imagine that they got aborted and it all went away. It's depressing to me. I don't think it's right to take away the right to live, the gift to live, the potentiol that is a person and what their personality and dreams and what they will bring to the world ect... I don't think it's right to take that away. Let that persone get a chance at life, there are plenty of alternatives like adoption if you don't want it, but still give it a chance.

The same thing goes for people here on OT, even the pro choice people. If someone were to come up to you and ask you that they had the power to turn you into a baby and put you into a womb that was about to abort or you could stay alive, they would all choose to stay alive. You know you would choose to live if that was you, why don't you give that life a chance aswell?

I don't judge women that do get abortions though, I realise that many of them feel they are in desperate situations and I belive they should be forgiven for the aborting. However if they were aware of the alternatives out there like adoption then we wouldn't have this issue.Yes I belive it's wrong, but like I said I don't have the right to really judge anyone because I'm not God. Except for the women who just get multiple abortions over and over again, that's clearly wrong.

I would definately like to see late term abortions banned except for medical emergency purposes also.

In my heart, I'm pro-life. My brain leans pro-choice. In a perfect would where overpopulation and negative effects of being an "unwanted" child isn't an issue, I'd be more pro-life as I do see a fetus as a human/life.

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]Pro choice. I see no reason why a completely logical person will ever be pro life. Unless they are very religious....fidosim

Because life is the most fundamental of all rights? If there's an eternity before you're born and an eternity after you die, I see no reason to deny someone their ~80 years of existence.

we don't grieve for the potential people who could have been here, if a different sperm had fertilized the egg or if your parents had decided to have more children instead of stopping. think about it, they could always have had just one more.

with our capability to clone organisms, each cell in our bodies is a potential life of its own, but we don't feel obligated to clone an army of new lives.

no matter how life-embracing we are, we always make decisions that cut off potential life.

Whether it be miserable time and you suicide or you have a great life, you're only going to be alive for a few years compared to the amount of time your going to be nonexistant.RadecSupreme

Then why not just spare the child the pain of having to commit suicide in the first place.

[QUOTE="fidosim"]

Pro choice. I see no reason why a completely logical person will ever be pro life. Unless they are very religious....MgamerBD

Because life is the most fundamental of all rights? If there's an eternity before you're born and an eternity after you die, I see no reason to deny someone their ~80 years of existence.

we don't grieve for the potential people who could have been here, if a different sperm had fertilized the egg or if your parents had decided to have more children instead of stopping. think about it, they could always have had just one more.

with our capability to clone organisms, each cell in our bodies is a potential life of its own, but we don't feel obligated to clone an army of new lives.

no matter how life-embracing we are, we always make decisions that cut off potential life.

[QUOTE="Mordred19"]

[QUOTE="fidosim"]

Because life is the most fundamental of all rights? If there's an eternity before you're born and an eternity after you die, I see no reason to deny someone their ~80 years of existence.

fidosim

we don't grieve for the potential people who could have been here, if a different sperm had fertilized the egg or if your parents had decided to have more children instead of stopping. think about it, they could always have had just one more.

with our capability to clone organisms, each cell in our bodies is a potential life of its own, but we don't feel obligated to clone an army of new lives.

no matter how life-embracing we are, we always make decisions that cut off potential life.

we're going to have to be more specific at this point. when do you think it began? were the sperm and egg not alive enough? does conciousness and sensation matter?

[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="Mordred19"]

we don't grieve for the potential people who could have been here, if a different sperm had fertilized the egg or if your parents had decided to have more children instead of stopping. think about it, they could always have had just one more.

with our capability to clone organisms, each cell in our bodies is a potential life of its own, but we don't feel obligated to clone an army of new lives.

no matter how life-embracing we are, we always make decisions that cut off potential life.

we're going to have to be more specific at this point. when do you think it began? were the sperm and egg not alive enough? does conciousness and sensation matter?

Pro-choice all the way. I'd gladly be taxed for you to get an abortion over paying $400,000 to raise that child in my state. I looked it up on an online calculator and for Iowa that's the cost of raising a child to 18 years of age.

More than willing to have my taxes go to a $1000 abortion. If you can't afford to have the child, don't, because I don't wanna pay for it the rest of it's life.

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"]

Reading these threads, I just play, "Every Sperm Is Sacred' and laugh. No side is well represented... far from it. "Let the heathen spill theirs, on the dusty ground. God shall make them pay, for each sperm that can't be found!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kJHQpvgB8

Animatronic64

[QUOTE="Animatronic64"]

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"]

Reading these threads, I just play, "Every Sperm Is Sacred' and laugh. No side is well represented... far from it. "Let the heathen spill theirs, on the dusty ground. God shall make them pay, for each sperm that can't be found!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kJHQpvgB8

racer8dan

[QUOTE="racer8dan"]

[QUOTE="Animatronic64"] It's true. Sperm are actually alive. They may not be human, but you're definitely killing something that has the potential to become a live human being. And I'm pretty sure the people that oppose abortion (namely the males), probably masturbate and waste away potential babies. While I wouldn't compare a sperm to an embryo, it still is the same principle of killing something, and never giving it the chance to become a human.

Planet_Pluto

This is a baby.

[QUOTE="racer8dan"]

[QUOTE="Animatronic64"] It's true. Sperm are actually alive. They may not be human, but you're definitely killing something that has the potential to become a live human being. And I'm pretty sure the people that oppose abortion (namely the males), probably masturbate and waste away potential babies. While I wouldn't compare a sperm to an embryo, it still is the same principle of killing something, and never giving it the chance to become a human.

Planet_Pluto

[QUOTE="Planet_Pluto"]

[QUOTE="racer8dan"]That's a ridiculous argument. Sperm alone has 0% potential to become a human being

Animatronic64

[QUOTE="Planet_Pluto"]

[QUOTE="racer8dan"]That's a ridiculous argument. Sperm alone has 0% potential to become a human being

Animatronic64

[QUOTE="Planet_Pluto"]

[QUOTE="racer8dan"]Racer, keep in mind you're arguing with people that don't even acknowledge that a baby in the first trimester, with a heart-beat and well defined human-shape is a person.

racer8dan