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#301 Animatronic64

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[QUOTE="Animatronic64"][QUOTE="Planet_Pluto"]Racer, keep in mind you're arguing with people that don't even acknowledge that a baby in the first trimester, with a heart-beat and well defined human-shape is a person.
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Keep in mind, I'm also the guy that doesn't support abortion after 8 weeks.

Why not?

Because it has formed into what looks exactly like a human fetus. Either way, I don't condone abortion. Rather, I wish people were more educated, and perhaps get the baby, despite all odds, and raise it right. But I believe the choice should remain.

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#302 grape_of_wrath

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[QUOTE="Planet_Pluto"]
[QUOTE="racer8dan"]That's a ridiculous argument. Sperm alone has 0% potential to become a human being
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Racer, keep in mind you're arguing with people that don't even acknowledge that a baby in the first trimester, with a heart-beat and well defined human-shape is a person.

Yeah, it's like beating a dead horse.

Don't you think this whole discussion is arbitrary and frivolous to begin with? When everything hinges on personal moral perception, how, exactly, do you mean to convince the other side of your point?

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#303 deactivated-5cacc9e03b460

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[QUOTE="racer8dan"]
[QUOTE="Animatronic64"] Keep in mind, I'm also the guy that doesn't support abortion after 8 weeks. Animatronic64

Why not?

Because it has formed into what looks exactly like a human fetus. Either way, I don't condone abortion. Rather, I wish people were more educated, and perhaps get the baby, despite all odds, and raise it right. But I believe the choice should remain.

The first pic looks exactly like a human fetus too at that time period...?

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#304 Animatronic64

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[QUOTE="racer8dan"]
[QUOTE="Planet_Pluto"]Why not?
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Because it has formed into what looks exactly like a human fetus. Either way, I don't condone abortion. Rather, I wish people were more educated, and perhaps get the baby, despite all odds, and raise it right. But I believe the choice should remain.

The first pic looks exactly like a human fetus too at that time period...?

http://www.exploratorium.edu/exhibits/embryo/embryoflash.html Knowledge.

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#305 deactivated-5cacc9e03b460

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[QUOTE="racer8dan"]
[QUOTE="Planet_Pluto"]Racer, keep in mind you're arguing with people that don't even acknowledge that a baby in the first trimester, with a heart-beat and well defined human-shape is a person.
grape_of_wrath

Yeah, it's like beating a dead horse.

Don't you think this whole discussion is arbitrary and frivolous to begin with? When everything hinges on personal moral perception, how, exactly, do you mean to convince the other side of your point?

Contrary to the popular beleif, people's opinions can be changed, whether they admit it or not.

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#306 Animatronic64

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[QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"][QUOTE="racer8dan"]Yeah, it's like beating a dead horse.
racer8dan

Don't you think this whole discussion is arbitrary and frivolous to begin with? When everything hinges on personal moral perception, how, exactly, do you mean to convince the other side of your point?

Contrary to the popular beleif, people's opinions can be changed, whether they admit it or not.

You're doing a hell of a job of changing mine.

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#307 grape_of_wrath

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[QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"][QUOTE="racer8dan"] Because it has formed into what looks exactly like a human fetus. Either way, I don't condone abortion. Rather, I wish people were more educated, and perhaps get the baby, despite all odds, and raise it right. But I believe the choice should remain.
Animatronic64

The first pic looks exactly like a human fetus too at that time period...?

http://www.exploratorium.edu/exhibits/embryo/embryoflash.html Knowledge.

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#308 deactivated-5cacc9e03b460

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[QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"][QUOTE="racer8dan"] Because it has formed into what looks exactly like a human fetus. Either way, I don't condone abortion. Rather, I wish people were more educated, and perhaps get the baby, despite all odds, and raise it right. But I believe the choice should remain.
Animatronic64

The first pic looks exactly like a human fetus too at that time period...?

http://www.exploratorium.edu/exhibits/embryo/embryoflash.html Knowledge.

What exactly does this have to do with anything:? You showed me a picture of the human fetus at a month, it's human, and it's a fetus whether it meets your perception of what a baby is suppose to look like or not. And whether people are able to recognize it as human from animal or not.

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#309 Planet_Pluto

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[QUOTE="racer8dan"]
[QUOTE="Planet_Pluto"] Keep in mind, I'm also the guy that doesn't support abortion after 8 weeks. Animatronic64

During the sonogram at +/- 3 weeks, we heard our child's heartbeat. Someone stopping that heart from beating at 7 1/2 weeks, a saint does not make.

Look at imagines. I edited my post.

Our kid was born a little bit over two weeks ago. I'm VERY familiar with what a fetus/baby looks like every step of the way. I'm not exactly sure what your point is. Are you saying it depends on a person's appearance at a particular stage in development? If that is the case, you would have no problem with me calling a Rodent Control Specialist to take-out Representative Henry Waxman.

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#310 Animatronic64

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[QUOTE="Animatronic64"][QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"]The first pic looks exactly like a human fetus too at that time period...?grape_of_wrath

http://www.exploratorium.edu/exhibits/embryo/embryoflash.html Knowledge.

?

And this is why no one takes you pro-lifers seriously. Your inability to distinguishes the difference between stages of the development of life. You just believe life begins at conception. You think your morals stand on some kind of unshakable pedestal and that everything else is wrong. Why do I even bother? Like the other guy said: "it's like beating a dead horse."

But then again, who cares? You pro life people won't get your way in the end. That's what makes me sleep well at night.

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#311 Planet_Pluto

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[QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"][QUOTE="Animatronic64"] Knowledge. Animatronic64

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And this is why no one takes you pro-lifers seriously. Your inability to distinguishes the difference between stages of the development of life. You just believe life begins at conception. You think your morals stand on some kind of unshakable pedestal and that everything else is wrong. Why do I even bother? Like the other guy said: "it's like beating a dead horse."

But then again, who cares? You pro life people won't get your way in the end. That's what makes me sleep well at night.

Yeah, you're right. Two people throwing caution to the wind, being irresponsible for a little shagging, then terminating a person is the moral high-ground. Thank you for enlightening us.

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#312 Animatronic64

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[QUOTE="Animatronic64"]
[QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"]?Planet_Pluto

And this is why no one takes you pro-lifers seriously. Your inability to distinguishes the difference between stages of the development of life. You just believe life begins at conception. You think your morals stand on some kind of unshakable pedestal and that everything else is wrong. Why do I even bother? Like the other guy said: "it's like beating a dead horse."

But then again, who cares? You pro life people won't get your way in the end. That's what makes me sleep well at night.

Yeah, you're right. Two people throwing caution to the wind, being irresponsible for a little shagging, then terminating a person is the moral high-ground. Thank you for enlightening us.

Yeah, because that's the sole reason for abortion. Thanks for enlightening us.

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#313 grape_of_wrath

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And this is why no one takes you pro-lifers seriously. Your inability to distinguishes the difference between stages of the development of life. You just believe life begins at conception. You think your morals stand on some kind of unshakable pedestal and that everything else is wrong. Why do I even bother? Like the other guy said: "it's like beating a dead horse."
But then again, who cares? You pro life people won't get your way in the end. That's what makes me sleep well at night.
Animatronic64

wtf are you even talking about and who are you referring it to?

Your inability to distinguishes the difference...
Animatronic64

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#314 Planet_Pluto

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[QUOTE="Planet_Pluto"]
[QUOTE="Animatronic64"] And this is why no one takes you pro-lifers seriously. Your inability to distinguishes the difference between stages of the development of life. You just believe life begins at conception. You think your morals stand on some kind of unshakable pedestal and that everything else is wrong. Why do I even bother? Like the other guy said: "it's like beating a dead horse."
But then again, who cares? You pro life people won't get your way in the end. That's what makes me sleep well at night.
Animatronic64

Yeah, you're right. Two people throwing caution to the wind, being irresponsible for a little shagging, then terminating a person is the moral high-ground. Thank you for enlightening us.

Yeah, because that's the sole reason for abortion. Thanks for enlightening us.

Not the sole. The primary.

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#315 deactivated-5cacc9e03b460

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[QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"][QUOTE="Animatronic64"] Knowledge. Animatronic64

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And this is why no one takes you pro-lifers seriously. Your inability to distinguishes the difference between stages of the development of life. You just believe life begins at conception. You think your morals stand on some kind of unshakable pedestal and that everything else is wrong. Why do I even bother? Like the other guy said: "it's like beating a dead horse."

But then again, who cares? You pro life people won't get your way in the end. That's what makes me sleep well at night.

This is laughable coming from a guy who determines whether or not it's ok to abort based on appearance.

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[QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"][QUOTE="Animatronic64"] Animatronic64

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And this is why no one takes you pro-lifers seriously. Your inability to distinguishes the difference between stages of the development of life. You just believe life begins at conception. You think your morals stand on some kind of unshakable pedestal and that everything else is wrong. Why do I even bother? Like the other guy said: "it's like beating a dead horse."

But then again, who cares? You pro life people won't get your way in the end. That's what makes me sleep well at night.

This is true, luckily I live in a country where religion does not have a strong foot hold so Pro-choice will always be the majority view.

Most of the pro-life people also seem to have religious convictions which clouds the issue.

Important decisions like this should be based on current logical thinking not religious dogma imo.

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#317 Planet_Pluto

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[QUOTE="Animatronic64"]
[QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"]?tenaka2

And this is why no one takes you pro-lifers seriously. Your inability to distinguishes the difference between stages of the development of life. You just believe life begins at conception. You think your morals stand on some kind of unshakable pedestal and that everything else is wrong. Why do I even bother? Like the other guy said: "it's like beating a dead horse."

But then again, who cares? You pro life people won't get your way in the end. That's what makes me sleep well at night.

This is true, luckily I live in a country where religion does not have a strong foot hold so Pro-choice will always be the majority view.

Most of the pro-life people also seem to have religious convictions which clouds the issue.

Important decisions like this should be based on current logical thinking not religious dogma imo.

Who mentioned religion?

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#318 Animatronic64

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[QUOTE="Animatronic64"]
[QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"]?racer8dan

And this is why no one takes you pro-lifers seriously. Your inability to distinguishes the difference between stages of the development of life. You just believe life begins at conception. You think your morals stand on some kind of unshakable pedestal and that everything else is wrong. Why do I even bother? Like the other guy said: "it's like beating a dead horse."

But then again, who cares? You pro life people won't get your way in the end. That's what makes me sleep well at night.

This is laughable coming from a guy who determines whether or not it's ok to abort based on appearance.

What if you're fetus had serious deformities, though? Think about that. That would be an abortion based on appearance. There are many reasons for abortion. The one I have problem with are the most careless. You know, I can relate to some things you say. But I can't fully agree that it is right to strip away choice from people.

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#319 deactivated-5cacc9e03b460

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[QUOTE="Animatronic64"]
[QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"]?tenaka2

And this is why no one takes you pro-lifers seriously. Your inability to distinguishes the difference between stages of the development of life. You just believe life begins at conception. You think your morals stand on some kind of unshakable pedestal and that everything else is wrong. Why do I even bother? Like the other guy said: "it's like beating a dead horse."

But then again, who cares? You pro life people won't get your way in the end. That's what makes me sleep well at night.

This is true, luckily I live in a country where religion does not have a strong foot hold so Pro-choice will always be the majority view.

Most of the pro-life people also seem to have religious convictions which clouds the issue.

Important decisions like this should be based on current logical thinking not religious dogma imo.

What seems logical to me is, everyone should have a right to life. It's a basic human right and has nothing to do with religion.

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Member since 2004 • 17958 Posts

Who mentioned religion?
Planet_Pluto

I did, there is a strong correlation between religion and pro-live, obviously this isn't always the case, yet it is apparent.

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#321 Animatronic64

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[QUOTE="tenaka2"]
[QUOTE="Animatronic64"] And this is why no one takes you pro-lifers seriously. Your inability to distinguishes the difference between stages of the development of life. You just believe life begins at conception. You think your morals stand on some kind of unshakable pedestal and that everything else is wrong. Why do I even bother? Like the other guy said: "it's like beating a dead horse."
But then again, who cares? You pro life people won't get your way in the end. That's what makes me sleep well at night.
racer8dan

This is true, luckily I live in a country where religion does not have a strong foot hold so Pro-choice will always be the majority view.

Most of the pro-life people also seem to have religious convictions which clouds the issue.

Important decisions like this should be based on current logical thinking not religious dogma imo.

What seem logical to me is, everyone should have a right to life. It's a basic human right and has nothing to do with religion.

A basic "human right." Where does this right come from? If we lived in a society that was completely pro-choice, that right would only be granted at a certain point in pregnancy. It's not a universal right. It's not a god given right. It's just a human idea. There is no divinity enforcing it.

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#322 deactivated-5cacc9e03b460

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[QUOTE="racer8dan"]
[QUOTE="Animatronic64"] And this is why no one takes you pro-lifers seriously. Your inability to distinguishes the difference between stages of the development of life. You just believe life begins at conception. You think your morals stand on some kind of unshakable pedestal and that everything else is wrong. Why do I even bother? Like the other guy said: "it's like beating a dead horse."
But then again, who cares? You pro life people won't get your way in the end. That's what makes me sleep well at night.
Animatronic64

This is laughable coming from a guy who determines whether or not it's ok to abort based on appearance.

What if you're fetus had serious deformities, though? Think about that. That would be an abortion based on appearance. There are many reasons for abortion. The one I have problem with are the most careless. You know, I can relate to some things you say. But I can't fully agree that it is right to strip away choice from people.

That shouldn't hold any weight on the subject. We should all have equall rights to life, which should include the unborn. Why are we stripping the baby's choice?

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#323 Planet_Pluto

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[QUOTE="racer8dan"]
[QUOTE="tenaka2"]
This is true, luckily I live in a country where religion does not have a strong foot hold so Pro-choice will always be the majority view.
Most of the pro-life people also seem to have religious convictions which clouds the issue.
Important decisions like this should be based on current logical thinking not religious dogma imo.
Animatronic64

What seem logical to me is, everyone should have a right to life. It's a basic human right and has nothing to do with religion.

A basic "human right." Where does this right come from? If we lived in a society that was completely pro-choice, that right would only be granted at a certain point in pregnancy. It's not a universal right. It's not a god given right. It's just a human idea. There is no divinity enforcing it.

Racer is fully capable for himself, but I think what he's getting at is that if you feel/think/believe that you have a right to not be killed as of right now (in your present stage of life), then the unborn have the right to not be killed.

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#324 SaintLeonidas

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I'm pro-choice and not anti-abortion, I think it is absolutely ridiculous for the other stance to be pro-life. Most people, those for and against abortions, are pro-life.

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#325 deactivated-5cacc9e03b460

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[QUOTE="Animatronic64"]
[QUOTE="racer8dan"]What seem logical to me is, everyone should have a right to life. It's a basic human right and has nothing to do with religion.
Planet_Pluto

A basic "human right." Where does this right come from? If we lived in a society that was completely pro-choice, that right would only be granted at a certain point in pregnancy. It's not a universal right. It's not a god given right. It's just a human idea. There is no divinity enforcing it.

Racer is fully capable for himself, but I think what he's getting at is that if you feel/think/believe that you have a right to not be killed as of right now (in your present stage of life), then the unborn have the right to not be killed.

That's a good way of describing it, yes.

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#326 Engrish_Major

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I'm pro-choice and not anti-abortion, I think it is absolutely ridiculous for the other stance to be pro-life. Most people, those for and against abortions, are pro-life.SaintLeonidas

That's why many people call them "anti-choice" instead.

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#327 Animatronic64

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[QUOTE="Animatronic64"][QUOTE="racer8dan"]This is laughable coming from a guy who determines whether or not it's ok to abort based on appearance.
racer8dan

What if you're fetus had serious deformities, though? Think about that. That would be an abortion based on appearance. There are many reasons for abortion. The one I have problem with are the most careless. You know, I can relate to some things you say. But I can't fully agree that it is right to strip away choice from people.

That shouldn't hold any weight on the subject. We should all have equall rights to life, which should include the unborn. Why are we stripping the baby's choice?

We are stripping the choice because it has no opinions to say otherwise. Eradicating it or letting it live will not make a difference to it in the end. Do you even remember being in your mothers womb? What do you remember before being born? What does it matter? If you never existed, why would you care, and how could you possibly care? And why does an 8 week old pregnancy deserve the same "right" to life as someone who has already been born? Like I said before, I don't condone the practice. But **** happens.

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#328 deactivated-5cacc9e03b460

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[QUOTE="racer8dan"]
[QUOTE="Animatronic64"]What if you're fetus had serious deformities, though? Think about that. That would be an abortion based on appearance. There are many reasons for abortion. The one I have problem with are the most careless. You know, I can relate to some things you say. But I can't fully agree that it is right to strip away choice from people. Animatronic64

That shouldn't hold any weight on the subject. We should all have equall rights to life, which should include the unborn. Why are we stripping the baby's choice?

We are stripping the choice because it has no opinions to say otherwise. Eradicating it or letting it live will not make a difference to it in the end. Do you even remember being in your mothers womb? What do you remember before being born? What does it matter? If you never existed, why would you care, and how could you possibly care? And why does an 8 week old pregnancy deserve the same "right" to life as someone who has already been born? Like I said before, I don't condone the practice. But **** happens.

What about a 1 year olds choice? Does it have an opinion? Do you remember being a 1 year old? Do you think a baby one minute before birth has a right to life as a baby just born does?

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[QUOTE="Animatronic64"][QUOTE="racer8dan"]This is laughable coming from a guy who determines whether or not it's ok to abort based on appearance.
racer8dan

What if you're fetus had serious deformities, though? Think about that. That would be an abortion based on appearance. There are many reasons for abortion. The one I have problem with are the most careless. You know, I can relate to some things you say. But I can't fully agree that it is right to strip away choice from people.

That shouldn't hold any weight on the subject. We should all have equall rights to life, which should include the unborn. Why are we stripping the baby's choice?

Its not a baby until its born it is also unable to make choices.

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#330 Planet_Pluto

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[QUOTE="racer8dan"]
[QUOTE="Animatronic64"]What if you're fetus had serious deformities, though? Think about that. That would be an abortion based on appearance. There are many reasons for abortion. The one I have problem with are the most careless. You know, I can relate to some things you say. But I can't fully agree that it is right to strip away choice from people. tenaka2

That shouldn't hold any weight on the subject. We should all have equall rights to life, which should include the unborn. Why are we stripping the baby's choice?

Its not a baby until its born it is also unable to make choices.

So it's ok to "terminate" a not-baby a few days before mommy goes into labor?

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#331 Animatronic64

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[QUOTE="Animatronic64"]
[QUOTE="racer8dan"]That shouldn't hold any weight on the subject. We should all have equall rights to life, which should include the unborn. Why are we stripping the baby's choice?
racer8dan

We are stripping the choice because it has no opinions to say otherwise. Eradicating it or letting it live will not make a difference to it in the end. Do you even remember being in your mothers womb? What do you remember before being born? What does it matter? If you never existed, why would you care, and how could you possibly care? And why does an 8 week old pregnancy deserve the same "right" to life as someone who has already been born? Like I said before, I don't condone the practice. But **** happens.

What about a 1 year olds choice? Does it have an opinion? Do you remember being a 1 year old? Do you think a baby one minute before birth has a right to life as a baby just born does?

But he or she has already been born. Separated from his or her mother, as its own entity. Sure, if a mother is not there to nurture and feed the baby, the baby will die. But how can you compare the two? They are completely different. One has a brain that processes emotion, and the other does not.

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[QUOTE="tenaka2"]
[QUOTE="racer8dan"]That shouldn't hold any weight on the subject. We should all have equall rights to life, which should include the unborn. Why are we stripping the baby's choice?
Planet_Pluto

Its not a baby until its born it is also unable to make choices.

So it's ok to "terminate" a not-baby a few days before mommy goes into labor?

No its illegal to do so, there is a limit up on till which time an abortion can take place after which the mommy to be can no longer terminate the fetus.

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#333 deactivated-5cacc9e03b460

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[QUOTE="racer8dan"]
[QUOTE="Animatronic64"]We are stripping the choice because it has no opinions to say otherwise. Eradicating it or letting it live will not make a difference to it in the end. Do you even remember being in your mothers womb? What do you remember before being born? What does it matter? If you never existed, why would you care, and how could you possibly care? And why does an 8 week old pregnancy deserve the same "right" to life as someone who has already been born? Like I said before, I don't condone the practice. But **** happens.
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What about a 1 year olds choice? Does it have an opinion? Do you remember being a 1 year old? Do you think a baby one minute before birth has a right to life as a baby just born does?

But he or she has already been born. Separated from his or her mother, as its own entity. Sure, if a mother is not there to nurture and feed the baby, the baby will die. But how can you compare the two? They are completely different. One has a brain that processes emotion, and the other does not.

What if a freshly birthed baby is put back in it's mothers womb? Should it's rights be revoked? A baby a minute before being born is no different than a fresh born baby.

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#334 Planet_Pluto

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[QUOTE="tenaka2"]
Its not a baby until its born it is also unable to make choices.
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So it's ok to "terminate" a not-baby a few days before mommy goes into labor?

No its illegal to do so, there is a limit up on till which time an abortion can take place after which the mommy to be can no longer terminate the fetus.

Laws change all the time. Abortion itself wasn't always legal in the same ways it is now. I'm asking for YOUR thoughts on the matter.

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#335 Animatronic64

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[QUOTE="Animatronic64"]
[QUOTE="racer8dan"]What about a 1 year olds choice? Does it have an opinion? Do you remember being a 1 year old? Do you think a baby one minute before birth has a right to life as a baby just born does?
racer8dan

But he or she has already been born. Separated from his or her mother, as its own entity. Sure, if a mother is not there to nurture and feed the baby, the baby will die. But how can you compare the two? They are completely different. One has a brain that processes emotion, and the other does not.

What if a freshly birthed baby is put back in it's mothers womb? Should it's rights be revoked? A baby a minute before being born is no different than a fresh born baby.

I'm sorry, but that's probably the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, concerning abortion. :lol:

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#336 Engrish_Major

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What if a freshly birthed baby is put back in it's mothers womb? Should it's rights be revoked? A baby a minute before being born is no different than a fresh born baby.
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If that happened, perhaps the doctor should be aborted.

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#337 Planet_Pluto

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[QUOTE="racer8dan"]
[QUOTE="Animatronic64"]But he or she has already been born. Separated from his or her mother, as its own entity. Sure, if a mother is not there to nurture and feed the baby, the baby will die. But how can you compare the two? They are completely different. One has a brain that processes emotion, and the other does not.
Animatronic64

What if a freshly birthed baby is put back in it's mothers womb? Should it's rights be revoked? A baby a minute before being born is no different than a fresh born baby.

I'm sorry, but that's probably the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, concerning abortion. :lol:

I'm thinking that maybe a better example would be a premature baby that is born and placed immediately in an incubator.

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#338 Animatronic64

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[QUOTE="Animatronic64"]
[QUOTE="racer8dan"]What if a freshly birthed baby is put back in it's mothers womb? Should it's rights be revoked? A baby a minute before being born is no different than a fresh born baby.
Planet_Pluto

I'm sorry, but that's probably the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, concerning abortion. :lol:

I'm thinking that maybe a better example would be a premature baby that is born and placed immediately in an incubator.

Isn't that a good thing? Trying to save a baby? Usually when one ends up being born pre-mature, there's health problems involved. My friend who has born that way initially had major health issues. Fortunately, he lived.

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#339 Planet_Pluto

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[QUOTE="Planet_Pluto"]
[QUOTE="Animatronic64"]I'm sorry, but that's probably the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, concerning abortion. :lol:
Animatronic64

I'm thinking that maybe a better example would be a premature baby that is born and placed immediately in an incubator.

Isn't that a good thing? Trying to save a baby? Usually when one ends up being born pre-mature, there's health problems involved. My friend who has born that way initially had major health issues. Fortunately, he lived.

My sister was in an incubator for about two weeks. She is fine. The Medical field has come a LONG way, my friend.

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#340 deactivated-5cacc9e03b460

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[QUOTE="racer8dan"]
[QUOTE="Animatronic64"]But he or she has already been born. Separated from his or her mother, as its own entity. Sure, if a mother is not there to nurture and feed the baby, the baby will die. But how can you compare the two? They are completely different. One has a brain that processes emotion, and the other does not.
Animatronic64

What if a freshly birthed baby is put back in it's mothers womb? Should it's rights be revoked? A baby a minute before being born is no different than a fresh born baby.

I'm sorry, but that's probably the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, concerning abortion. :lol:

It is ridiculous isn't it! It's ridiculous that a new born baby has a right to life, but a baby a few minutes before being birthed has none... simply because it's in it's mothers womb. But you didn't answer my scenario.

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#341 Animatronic64

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[QUOTE="Animatronic64"]
[QUOTE="racer8dan"]What if a freshly birthed baby is put back in it's mothers womb? Should it's rights be revoked? A baby a minute before being born is no different than a fresh born baby.
racer8dan

I'm sorry, but that's probably the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, concerning abortion. :lol:

It is ridiculous isn't it! It's ridiculous that a new born baby has a right to life, but a baby a few minutes before being birthed has none... simply because it's in it's mothers womb. But you didn't answer my scenario.

You're assuming that a fully developed baby is the same thing as an embryo, which would be a big fat joke, honestly.

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#342 Planet_Pluto

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[QUOTE="Planet_Pluto"]
[QUOTE="Animatronic64"]I'm sorry, but that's probably the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, concerning abortion. :lol:
Animatronic64

I'm thinking that maybe a better example would be a premature baby that is born and placed immediately in an incubator.

Isn't that a good thing? Trying to save a baby? Usually when one ends up being born pre-mature, there's health problems involved. My friend who has born that way initially had major health issues. Fortunately, he lived.

"Most" premies end up just fine.

But anyway, say something should happen to anyone, including you.... say, a car accident. Why should doctors, etc try to save you? Save for your age, what important things hinge on your existance? Why save an adult and not a baby?

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[QUOTE="tenaka2"]
[QUOTE="Planet_Pluto"]So it's ok to "terminate" a not-baby a few days before mommy goes into labor?
Planet_Pluto

No its illegal to do so, there is a limit up on till which time an abortion can take place after which the mommy to be can no longer terminate the fetus.

Laws change all the time. Abortion itself wasn't always legal in the same ways it is now. I'm asking for YOUR thoughts on the matter.

The act of abortion itself I find repugnant but I have always been a bit squeamish, that aside I believe it should be the womans choice as it is her body in question.

I do not consider it practical that every conception should run to term.

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#344 Animatronic64

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[QUOTE="Animatronic64"][QUOTE="Planet_Pluto"]I'm thinking that maybe a better example would be a premature baby that is born and placed immediately in an incubator.
Planet_Pluto

Isn't that a good thing? Trying to save a baby? Usually when one ends up being born pre-mature, there's health problems involved. My friend who has born that way initially had major health issues. Fortunately, he lived.

"Most" premies end up just fine.

But anyway, say something should happen to anyone, including you.... say, a car accident. Why should doctors, etc try to save you? Save for your age, what important things hinge on your existance? Why save an adult and not a baby?

A bad example. A developing fetus, and me on the verge of death aren't the same thing at all. I was already a living human. A productive member of society. Comparisons like that are silly.

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#345 Engrish_Major

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"Most" premies end up just fine.
But anyway, say something should happen to anyone, including you.... say, a car accident. Why should doctors, etc try to save you? Save for your age, what important things hinge on your existance? Why save an adult and not a baby?
Planet_Pluto

People have an entire web of connections to society, between family, friends, job, financial obligations, etc... Many many things are affected by the death of a person who has established themselves in the world. If a fetus is aborted, absolutely nothing changes. The world is exactly the same.

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#346 Frame_Dragger

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[QUOTE="Animatronic64"]

[QUOTE="racer8dan"]What if a freshly birthed baby is put back in it's mothers womb? Should it's rights be revoked? A baby a minute before being born is no different than a fresh born baby.

I'm sorry, but that's probably the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, concerning abortion. :lol:

It is ridiculous isn't it! It's ridiculous that a new born baby has a right to life, but a baby a few minutes before being birthed has none... simply because it's in it's mothers womb. But you didn't answer my scenario.

You do know that a baby at that point in fact, DOES have rights? In fact, a court can appoint a lawyer/guardian to represent its interests, although in practice this is rare. If you're going to be overly dramatic, at least be dramatic and accurate.

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#347 Animatronic64

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[QUOTE="Animatronic64"]
[QUOTE="racer8dan"]What if a freshly birthed baby is put back in it's mothers womb? Should it's rights be revoked? A baby a minute before being born is no different than a fresh born baby.
racer8dan

I'm sorry, but that's probably the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, concerning abortion. :lol:

It is ridiculous isn't it! It's ridiculous that a new born baby has a right to life, but a baby a few minutes before being birthed has none... simply because it's in it's mothers womb. But you didn't answer my scenario.

There's a good reason why I didn't answer your question. Abortions are only legal up to a certain point.

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#348 DroidPhysX

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[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="racer8dan"]

[QUOTE="Animatronic64"]I'm sorry, but that's probably the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, concerning abortion. :lol:

It is ridiculous isn't it! It's ridiculous that a new born baby has a right to life, but a baby a few minutes before being birthed has none... simply because it's in it's mothers womb. But you didn't answer my scenario.

You do know that a baby at that point in fact, DOES have rights? In fact, a court can appoint a lawyer/guardian to represent its interests, although in practice this is rare. If you're going to be overly dramatic, at least be dramatic and accurate.

That's what happens when one taps in emotion as a source in arguments.

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#349 Engrish_Major

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[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"] You do know that a baby at that point in fact, DOES have rights? In fact, a court can appoint a lawyer/guardian to represent its interests, although in practice this is rare. If you're going to be overly dramatic, at least be dramatic and accurate.

Not to mention that pro-lifers (or anti-choicers, whatever) always focus on late-term abortions, when in fact the overwhelming vast majority of abortions happen quite early in the pregnancy. After all, if someone doesn't want a child, then why would they put themselves through 8 or 9 months of pregnancy before doing it? Almost all abortions done very late in the term are done because either the health of the mother is at risk, or it is determined that the fetus has major defects.

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#350 deactivated-5cacc9e03b460

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[QUOTE="racer8dan"]
[QUOTE="Animatronic64"]I'm sorry, but that's probably the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, concerning abortion. :lol:
Frame_Dragger

It is ridiculous isn't it! It's ridiculous that a new born baby has a right to life, but a baby a few minutes before being birthed has none... simply because it's in it's mothers womb. But you didn't answer my scenario.

You do know that a baby at that point in fact, DOES have rights? In fact, a court can appoint a lawyer/guardian to represent its interests, although in practice this is rare. If you're going to be overly dramatic, at least be dramatic and accurate.

At what point does it have a legal right to life?

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