British police arrest 6 men for burning Quran

[QUOTE="raynimrod"]

It was America in that instance. In all honesty, I think it's unbelievable that white supremacists are allowed to parade the streets inciting racial violence. I don't think burning holy books in public should be allowed, but in private I see no reason why there should be any issues with that. It certainly shouldn't warrant police interference!

Espada12

So you pretty much agree with me? Because I think that's pretty unbelievable as well, but as usual people want to go to extremes with things. Take freedom of speech to an extreme and that is what you get. The british decide to limit it and have found very good middle ground.

I agree that it shouldn't be permitted in public, on the streets. I don't agree with supressing that freedom in your own home / in private. A video on youtube is hardly causing Muslims in Britain to take to the streets in a violent rage. And even if it did, they're the ones being violent and they should be arrested IMO.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="psychobrew"]

Link.

While I think the six menarekind of ignorant and backwards for burning the Qurans, I can't believe you can be arrested for doing something like that in England.Is English lawreally that barbaric?

Jacobistheman

English law puts public safety above all else, if that's barbaric then I'm conan.

I already replied to this, and it got deleted.

And no, I wasn't trolling. It was a legitimate question.

What are you, an anarchist? Where do you live where freedom isn't sacrificed for security? I live in the USA, the "land of the free", and yes...there are ABSOLUTELY restrictions on freedom for the sake of public safety. I'm not saying that I AGREE with all of those restrictions. But I'd very VERY hard pressed to say that no such restrictions should exist.

Yeah...in most societies, it is already standard to give up a little liberty in order to gain a little security. Are you an anarchist? Are you advocating a world in which there are NO restrictions on liberty for the benefit of security?

Link.

While I think the six menarekind of ignorant and backwards for burning the Qurans, I can't believe you can be arrested for doing something like that in England.Is English lawreally that barbaric?

psychobrew

Seriously?

Burning the Quran is a sign of hate. It's a threatening act and is ****d as a hate crime. I don't think there is anything wrong with not tolerating hate crimes. English Law is far from barbaric, we care for our public's safety, how is that barbaric?

[QUOTE="TroubleMaker411"]

[QUOTE="psychobrew"]

Link.

While I think the six menarekind of ignorant and backwards for burning the Qurans, I can't believe you can be arrested for doing something like that in England.Is English lawreally that barbaric?

Fried_Shrimp

Seriously?

Burning the Quran is a sign of hate. It's a threatening act and is ****d as a hate crime. I don't think there is anything wrong with not tolerating hate crimes. English Law is far from barbaric, we care for our public's safety, how is that barbaric?

I forgot that!

Nice point, well made!

IMHO, the fact these idiots posted videos of themselves on youtube shows that they were trying to incite trouble. Doing it in the pub to show off is one thing, but spouting that crap and posting it online is pure hate mongering. And it shouldn't be tolerated

No reason for them to be arrested for burning something in private, in my opinion. In public, I could understand breaking it up (for health reasons among other things), but I don't care if people want to destroy a book in private. Not that I'd do it, however.EJ902

I can't believe you can be arrested for doing something like that in England.Is English lawreally that barbaric?

psychobrew

Man in the 60', the British Parliament outlawed all music stations playing Pop&Rock.

This seems like a great idea, though. Make everything that could be offensive illegal.

[QUOTE="psychobrew"]

I can't believe you can be arrested for doing something like that in England.Is English lawreally that barbaric?

shinian

Man in the 60', the British Parliament outlawed all music stations playing Pop&Rock.

What makes this "barbaric"? They are trying to prevent violence against innocent civilians. Muslims extremists *will* react to this, and everyone knows it. Its why these guys are burning the Qur'an (to incite the reaction, so they can further their hate against Muslims as a whole, for being the only "cause" of terrorism), and its why they got arrested for burning the Qur'an .

I personally have something very wrong with burning books in general (they should be repaired, for the sake of intellectualism in all regards, unless so far gone that only their destruction and replacement with a new copy is deemed appropriate) and even think writing in pen in a book is wrong (it defaces the literature; but pencil is fine, since it can be erased). I've been reading the Qur'an lately, and honestly, it contains some really good stuff. Sure, like any religious text, it contains all that doom-and-gloom and violence towards non-believers... but there are definitely some progressive things (for their time) in there that were a step ahead of Jewish law, even farther in many regards than Jesus' teachings (instead of giving up all you own to the poor, you only give up what you can afford to give up).

What I really want to know, is what these people are trying to achieve with burning someone else's holy book. This is exactly the opposite both these religions teach in terms of respect for your fellow man, whether believer or not.

No reason for them to be arrested for burning something in private, in my opinion. In public, I could understand breaking it up (for health reasons among other things), but I don't care if people want to destroy a book in private. Not that I'd do it, however.EJ902

We have laws against inciting racial hatred.

Anyone can say or do what they like, so long as it doesn't impede the rights of others. Burning the Qur'an and broadcasting it on YouTube for the sole reason of antagonising the Muslim community, both in this country and internationally, is certainly doing that, while at the same time compromising the safety of the public.

I guess the US does have a bit more freedom than the UK then.....LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I guess the US does have a bit more freedom than the UK then.....jimmyjammer69

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I guess the US does have a bit more freedom than the UK then.....LJS9502_basic

Glad I don't live in England.

I'd rather not live in a country that stifles free speech like that.

Pixel-Pirate

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]Haha... you just wouldn't let it lie.jimmyjammer69

I guess the US does have a bit more freedom than the UK then.....LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

Glad I don't live in England.

I'd rather not live in a country that stifles free speech like that.

SkyWard20

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I guess the US does have a bit more freedom than the UK then.....TroubleMaker411

Christianity is made fun of all the time in the USA.

We have laws against inciting racial hatred.

Anyone can say or do what they like, so long as it doesn't impede the rights of others. Burning the Qur'an and broadcasting it on YouTube for the sole reason of antagonising the Muslim community, both in this country and internationally, is certainly doing that, while at the same time compromising the safety of the public.

broken_bass_bin

[QUOTE="broken_bass_bin"]

We have laws against inciting racial hatred.

Anyone can say or do what they like, so long as it doesn't impede the rights of others. Burning the Qur'an and broadcasting it on YouTube for the sole reason of antagonising the Muslim community, both in this country and internationally, is certainly doing that, while at the same time compromising the safety of the public.

SkyWard20

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"][QUOTE="broken_bass_bin"]

We have laws against inciting racial hatred.

Anyone can say or do what they like, so long as it doesn't impede the rights of others. Burning the Qur'an and broadcasting it on YouTube for the sole reason of antagonising the Muslim community, both in this country and internationally, is certainly doing that, while at the same time compromising the safety of the public.

jimmyjammer69

[QUOTE="TroubleMaker411"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I guess the US does have a bit more freedom than the UK then.....testfactor888

Christianity is made fun of all the time in the USA.

Maybe so.

But in this country, if someone youtube'd themselves burning a bible, shouting the crap that those guys were, they would also have been arrested.

It is a public safety issue. And this country is very serious about that.

Burning holy scripture, no matter what kind, WILL incite a violent reaction and we have to be seen to be trying to stop it.

Instead of defending the freedom these people have to burn books, we defend the idea that everyone can live in this country in peace and we try very hard to uphold that.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]Freedom's always going to be relative. One man's freedom to carry firearms is another man's freedom to live in fear of getting shot.jimmyjammer69

I don't know why people continue to make excuses for Muslim extremists by saying "there's extremists in every religion i.e. Christinaity". Christian extremists are not a problem in the way Muslims extremists are.

Hundreds of thousands if not millions of people have been killed, injured or displaced by Muslim extremists in just the past 10 years alone.

Eeven if people did burn the Bible, you're not going to see Christian 'extremists' do anything violent, if they do, it will be a very small number and no one will get killed over it.

I don't know why people continue to make excuses for Muslim extremists by saying "there's extremists in every religion i.e. Christinaity". Christian extremists are not a problem in the way Muslims extremists are.

Hundreds of thousands if not millions of people have been killed, injured or displaced by Muslim extremists in just the past 10 years alone.

Eeven if people did burn the Bible, you're not going to see Christian 'extremists' do anything violent, if they do, it will be a very small number and no one will get killed over it.

p2250

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]Oh yeah, that would be the freedom to walk down the street without being verbally abused or threatened.jimmyjammer69

I don't know why people continue to make excuses for Muslim extremists by saying "there's extremists in every religion i.e. Christinaity". Christian extremists are not a problem in the way Muslims extremists are.

Hundreds of thousands if not millions of people have been killed, injured or displaced by Muslim extremists in just the past 10 years alone.

Eeven if people did burn the Bible, you're not going to see Christian 'extremists' do anything violent, if they do, it will be a very small number and no one will get killed over it.

p2250

I don't know why people continue to make excuses for Muslim extremists by saying "there's extremists in every religion i.e. Christinaity". Christian extremists are not a problem in the way Muslims extremists are.

Hundreds of thousands if not millions of people have been killed, injured or displaced by Muslim extremists in just the past 10 years alone.

Eeven if people did burn the Bible, you're not going to see Christian 'extremists' do anything violent, if they do, it will be a very small number and no one will get killed over it.

p2250

I didn't realise this was a thread about Muslim extremism

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I think you have a very skewed idea of the US. No one walks down the street afraid of getting shot. I believe criminals are to which you are referring and last I checked criminals did possess and use guns in the UK. And I also believe your chavs abuse and threaten....oh...and let's not forget the knife deaths in the UK.LJS9502_basic

I think the point here is that, for whatever reason, these men's actions were deemed a threat to public safety. Like I say, I don't know all the facts of this case. If you want to draw the conclusion that this threat was all about fear of a violent Muslim backlash, that's your leap of faith.

[QUOTE="p2250"]

I don't know why people continue to make excuses for Muslim extremists by saying "there's extremists in every religion i.e. Christinaity". Christian extremists are not a problem in the way Muslims extremists are.

Hundreds of thousands if not millions of people have been killed, injured or displaced by Muslim extremists in just the past 10 years alone.

Eeven if people did burn the Bible, you're not going to see Christian 'extremists' do anything violent, if they do, it will be a very small number and no one will get killed over it.

I didn't realise this was a thread about Muslim extremism

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]Good to know you were brought up in the ghetto. We've already had the knife death argument, and I showed you the statistics that clearly show more knife deaths per capita in America than UK. Still, this isn't America vs UK, it's about how far the government's role should be about public safety - personally, I can't think what else it should be about.jimmyjammer69

I think the point here is that, for whatever reason, these men's actions were deemed a threat to public safety. Like I say, I don't know all the facts of this case. If you want to draw the conclusion that this threat was all about fear of a violent Muslim backlash, that's your leap of faith.

[QUOTE="p2250"]

I don't know why people continue to make excuses for Muslim extremists by saying "there's extremists in every religion i.e. Christinaity". Christian extremists are not a problem in the way Muslims extremists are.

Hundreds of thousands if not millions of people have been killed, injured or displaced by Muslim extremists in just the past 10 years alone.

Eeven if people did burn the Bible, you're not going to see Christian 'extremists' do anything violent, if they do, it will be a very small number and no one will get killed over it.

I didn't realise this was a thread about Muslim extremism

[QUOTE="TroubleMaker411"]

[QUOTE="p2250"]

I don't know why people continue to make excuses for Muslim extremists by saying "there's extremists in every religion i.e. Christinaity". Christian extremists are not a problem in the way Muslims extremists are.

Hundreds of thousands if not millions of people have been killed, injured or displaced by Muslim extremists in just the past 10 years alone.

Eeven if people did burn the Bible, you're not going to see Christian 'extremists' do anything violent, if they do, it will be a very small number and no one will get killed over it.

p2250

I didn't realise this was a thread about Muslim extremism

My point is....

I thought this was a thread discussing english law and how "Barbaric" we are. Not muslim extremism and racist, hate mongering pastors from florida!

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]*sigh*Overall people in the US are NOT afraid of being shot. Period. You can't spin it any other way without making a fallacious argument. There is crime in the UK as anywhere else. Period. You brought the gun argument up....now you want to change it and say it doesn't belong. So my question to you is...why bring it up then? Public safety is important to a point.....but it shouldn't curtail individual freedom unless necessary. I don't see this as necessary. If someone reacts violently....they should be arrested. But hey.....if living in fear of retribution is considered public safety....have at it. I just don't want to see the opposite argument in other threads. Which was my point.;)LJS9502_basic

I think the point here is that, for whatever reason, these men's actions were deemed a threat to public safety. Like I say, I don't know all the facts of this case. If you want to draw the conclusion that this threat was all about fear of a violent Muslim backlash, that's your leap of faith.