British police arrest 6 men for burning Quran

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="TroubleMaker411"]

Burning the St George's Cross is absolutely NOT fine.

And anyone that retaliates in such a way will also be arrested because it promotes the same reaction as burning a Quran!

Yes, any action can cause a negative reaction. I agree to this.

But any action that is DESIGNED to promote a violent negative reaction should be treated as a criminal act.

These people were not simply stating their opinion to the people in the pub they were hanging in, but butting it up for the world to see is blatently there to incite a negative, possibly violent, reaction

Why?

I don't feel any less free than i did when i lived in the US

I feel safer knowing that if someone attacks my religion (or whatever) then they can't hide behind "freedom of speech" and not be dealt with by the law.

While i agree that freedom of speech is a great thing, do you really believe that blatent hate mongering (whether it be religious, racial, or against people with blonde hair) should be allowed, even protected when the people commiting such acts are doing it to promote a violent reaction?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="GazaAli"] its not only about the notion of a reason, but it also has to do with the validity of the reason.GazaAli

Let me put it this way...you are Palestinian. If for some reason a large influx of Americans and Brits moved to your country....would it cause some unease amongst the population if the westernized culture was pushing for acceptance over your culture? Would there not be a period of adjustment for the two cultures to coexist? Violence is, of course, not the way to settle the problems, but unfortunately, it tends to be the one most used when people feel their rights are being stripped or not considered.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="TroubleMaker411"]

Burning the St George's Cross is absolutely NOT fine.

And anyone that retaliates in such a way will also be arrested because it promotes the same reaction as burning a Quran!

Yes, any action can cause a negative reaction. I agree to this.

But any action that is DESIGNED to promote a violent negative reaction should be treated as a criminal act.

These people were not simply stating their opinion to the people in the pub they were hanging in, but butting it up for the world to see is blatently there to incite a negative, possibly violent, reaction

TroubleMaker411

Why?

I don't feel any less free than i did when i lived in the US

I feel safer knowing that if someone attacks my religion (or whatever) then they can't hide behind "freedom of speech" and not be dealt with by the law.

While i agree that freedom of speech is a great thing, do you really believe that blatent hate mongering (whether it be religious, racial, or against people with blonde hair) should be allowed, even protected when the people commiting such acts are doing it to promote a violent reaction?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="TroubleMaker411"]

Burning the St George's Cross is absolutely NOT fine.

And anyone that retaliates in such a way will also be arrested because it promotes the same reaction as burning a Quran!

Yes, any action can cause a negative reaction. I agree to this.

But any action that is DESIGNED to promote a violent negative reaction should be treated as a criminal act.

These people were not simply stating their opinion to the people in the pub they were hanging in, but butting it up for the world to see is blatently there to incite a negative, possibly violent, reaction

TroubleMaker411

Why?

I don't feel any less free than i did when i lived in the US

I feel safer knowing that if someone attacks my religion (or whatever) then they can't hide behind "freedom of speech" and not be dealt with by the law.

While i agree that freedom of speech is a great thing, do you really believe that blatent hate mongering (whether it be religious, racial, or against people with blonde hair) should be allowed, even protected when the people commiting such acts are doing it to promote a violent reaction?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]

lets not get jumpy and take things out of context. All I'm saying that rather complaining about the consequences, you can prevent the original incident. Get it? For example, when Muslims got all offended because of Denmark and those pictures, I was frustrated because of Muslims rioting like idiots and some of them making death threats...etc and because of Denmark insulting a bunch of people for no apparent reason.

GazaAli

This is what should happen to people which are trying to make people fight with each others . Or maybe its a CONSPIRACY !! :ogubrushadow

@LJS9502_basic I understood your post and I see the point. I always say that Muslims should not try to impose their culture no matter what. Its either this or go back to where you came from. But maybe certain European countries and the US were lazy? I mean a lot of people here from Gaza immigrate to Sweden. Their the learn the language before anything, and they are not allowed to work and have a normal life until they learn the language and integrate well with the Swedish culture. The US on the other hand let people in and out more easily. As for your second post I knew it would come down to this. We can't help it, you see it this way and I see it that way.GazaAli

[QUOTE="gubrushadow"]This is what should happen to people which are trying to make people fight with each others . Or maybe its a CONSPIRACY !! :oGazaAli

let the haters hate, dawg

let the haters hate, dawg

sikanderahmed

[QUOTE="sikanderahmed"]

let the haters hate, dawg

GazaAli

well ya know sometimes when them haters be posting BS i just feel like answering their BS so that non haters dont get caught up in their BS, ya dig

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="sikanderahmed"]

let the haters hate, dawg

sikanderahmed

well ya know sometimes when them haters be posting BS i just feel like answering their BS so that non haters dont get caught up in their BS, ya dig

Getting tired of all of this.Why can't we all just be friends?

[QUOTE="BMD004"]

I just burned some roast beef today. Somebody better arrest me because vegans are probably gonna be pissed.

So basically they arrested the guy who burned a Quran because other people got mad at him. Making people mad does not = a crime.

TroubleMaker411

The point isn't that they burnt the book.

The point is that it was done with the specific purpose of inciting a reaction.

I feel i am going around in circles here.

the arrests were made because the reactions that it may cause are a threat to public safety. The same arrests would have been made if it was an anti christian bible burning. It is NOT about the religion, or the extremists. It is about the fact that reactions to these types of events are often violent and we, as a nation, are trying to prevent that.

Surely anyone can see that trying to make our country a peacful, safe place to live is a good thing?

It's almost beyond belief that people are actually ok with arresting somebody because OTHER people MIGHT commit a crime. It is beyond absurd.

I agree with what the police did. They were absolutely right IMO.

Thats good.

People like that sicken me.

[QUOTE="gubrushadow"]This is what should happen to people which are trying to make people fight with each others . Or maybe its a CONSPIRACY !! :oGazaAli

Yeah your right all comedians, creators of South Park and Family Guy.. Etc etc.. Should all be thrown in to prison! Seriously listen to yourselves, your condoning violence and blaming it on the people WHO ARE NOT breaking the law.. Could it be that the cause of this violence has nothing to do with the people protesting or saying something that may be saterical in nature or a protest, BUT THE PEOPLE BREAKING the law! You know I can make this exact same argument in throwing you in prison.. Say LJ was the leader of the country, your direct criticism is putitng the public in danger during a time of war.. Seriously there is no way you can defend this crap and still be for the first amendment.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="psychobrew"]

Burning a book or calling someone a name isn't putting anyone's life at risk. People that riot over the act are. It's those people who overreact that should be arrested (if they physically harm someone).

psychobrew

If you know it will cause people to riot then you arrest the source of the problem, not the effect.

Where do you draw the line? Just because something causes people to riot doesn't mean the riotors are in the right. People could riot because they don't want minorities moving in to their neighborhood. Should the minority be arrested for that? The purpose of rights is to protect people who may not be well liked or who's ideas may not be well recieved, and without thyat right, we would not have progress.

There is a difference between a riot and a protest and also minorities moving into a neighbourhood are not doing so to provoke the current inhabitants, so you arrest the rioters.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="gubrushadow"]This is what should happen to people which are trying to make people fight with each others . Or maybe its a CONSPIRACY !! :osSubZerOo

Yeah your right all comedians, creators of South Park and Family Guy.. Etc etc.. Should all be thrown in to prison! Seriously listen to yourselves, your condoning violence and blaming it on the people WHO ARE NOT breaking the law.. Could it be that the cause of this violence has nothing to do with the people protesting or saying something that may be saterical in nature or a protest, BUT THE PEOPLE BREAKING the law! You know I can make this exact same argument in throwing you in prison.. Say LJ was the leader of the country, your direct criticism is putitng the public in danger during a time of war.. Seriously there is no way you can defend this crap and still be for the first amendment.

Comedians are doing so to be funny, not the provoke others, south park creators wanted to provoke others in the name of freedom, so comedy central put down the hammer, which I agree with. South park guys already did a muhammed drawing in their cartoon but decided to do one again WHILE drawing him was a hot topic for no other reason than simply to annoy others and provoke a reaction.. not even to be funny, because the episode was pretty terrible controversy aside.

[QUOTE="shinian"]

[QUOTE="psychobrew"]

I can't believe you can be arrested for doing something like that in England.Is English lawreally that barbaric?

jimmyjammer69

Man in the 60', the British Parliament outlawed all music stations playing Pop&Rock.

Watch "The Boat that Rocked" - based on a true story, plus it's funny as hell.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="gubrushadow"]This is what should happen to people which are trying to make people fight with each others . Or maybe its a CONSPIRACY !! :osSubZerOo

Yeah your right all comedians, creators of South Park and Family Guy.. Etc etc.. Should all be thrown in to prison! Seriously listen to yourselves, your condoning violence and blaming it on the people WHO ARE NOT breaking the law.. Could it be that the cause of this violence has nothing to do with the people protesting or saying something that may be saterical in nature or a protest, BUT THE PEOPLE BREAKING the law! You know I can make this exact same argument in throwing you in prison.. Say LJ was the leader of the country, your direct criticism is putitng the public in danger during a time of war.. Seriously there is no way you can defend this crap and still be for the first amendment.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="GazaAli"] I agree with the first part of your post. People who are trying to disturb a country for their mere enjoyment deserve more.Espada12

Yeah your right all comedians, creators of South Park and Family Guy.. Etc etc.. Should all be thrown in to prison! Seriously listen to yourselves, your condoning violence and blaming it on the people WHO ARE NOT breaking the law.. Could it be that the cause of this violence has nothing to do with the people protesting or saying something that may be saterical in nature or a protest, BUT THE PEOPLE BREAKING the law! You know I can make this exact same argument in throwing you in prison.. Say LJ was the leader of the country, your direct criticism is putitng the public in danger during a time of war.. Seriously there is no way you can defend this crap and still be for the first amendment.

Comedians are doing so to be funny, not the provoke others, south park creators wanted to provoke others in the name of freedom, so comedy central put down the hammer, which I agree with. South park guys already did a muhammed drawing in their cartoon but decided to do one again WHILE drawing him was a hot topic for no other reason than simply to annoy others and provoke a reaction.. not even to be funny, because the episode was pretty terrible controversy aside.

Thats great it shouldn't make a single bit of difference in their reasoning what so ever.. I am sorry but your pretty much supporting the claim that we should cave to violence and curve our freedoms.. That is weak and leads to a tyranical government.

Funny, I've seen the argument put forth many times in this forum that they should not build the Islamic Center in Manhattan because it might incite violence from others. Yet when someone is arrested in the UK (which does not have the guarantees of free speech that the US does) for burning a Qur'an on the basis that it might incite others to violence the opinion is that they should not have been arrested.

Funny, I've seen the argument put forth many times in this forum that they should not build the Islamic Center in Manhattan because it might incite violence from others. Yet when someone is arrested in the UK (which does not have the guarantees of free speech that the US does) for burning a Qur'an on the basis that it might incite others to violence the opinion is that they should not have been arrested.

worlock77

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="GazaAli"] I agree with the first part of your post. People who are trying to disturb a country for their mere enjoyment deserve more.GazaAli

Yeah your right all comedians, creators of South Park and Family Guy.. Etc etc.. Should all be thrown in to prison! Seriously listen to yourselves, your condoning violence and blaming it on the people WHO ARE NOT breaking the law.. Could it be that the cause of this violence has nothing to do with the people protesting or saying something that may be saterical in nature or a protest, BUT THE PEOPLE BREAKING the law! You know I can make this exact same argument in throwing you in prison.. Say LJ was the leader of the country, your direct criticism is putitng the public in danger during a time of war.. Seriously there is no way you can defend this crap and still be for the first amendment.

Thats great I really could care less what you say, but I do not have the right forcibly shut you up, which your condoning the government to do.. So yet again you are, your suggesting that the persons reaction is the same as the person protest.. No it is not. One is a phyiscal act of violence which can lead to murder.. The other is being a idiot in your opinion by a protest that hurts no one.. The other party is free to protest back and burn crap if they wish.. But if they break the law they should be arrested and charged.. Not the side practicing their first amendment.

Thats great it shouldn't make a single bit of difference in their reasoning what so ever.. I am sorry but your pretty much supporting the claim that we should cave to violence and curve our freedoms.. That is weak and leads to a tyranical government.

sSubZerOo

You already are dude. The new airport security measures that keep your personal info for two weeks? Patriot Act? Banning the muslim headwear? If you really believe it isn't happening already around you I don't know what to say.

Funny, I've seen the argument put forth many times in this forum that they should not build the Islamic Center in Manhattan because it might incite violence from others. Yet when someone is arrested in the UK (which does not have the guarantees of free speech that the US does) for burning a Qur'an on the basis that it might incite others to violence the opinion is that they should not have been arrested.

worlock77

Stereotype.. I support the Islamic Community Center in ground zero.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Yeah your right all comedians, creators of South Park and Family Guy.. Etc etc.. Should all be thrown in to prison! Seriously listen to yourselves, your condoning violence and blaming it on the people WHO ARE NOT breaking the law.. Could it be that the cause of this violence has nothing to do with the people protesting or saying something that may be saterical in nature or a protest, BUT THE PEOPLE BREAKING the law! You know I can make this exact same argument in throwing you in prison.. Say LJ was the leader of the country, your direct criticism is putitng the public in danger during a time of war.. Seriously there is no way you can defend this crap and still be for the first amendment.

sSubZerOo

Thats great I really could care less what you say, but I do not have the right forcibly shut you up, which your condoning the government to do.. So yet again you are, your suggesting that the persons reaction is the same as the person protest.. No it is not. One is a phyiscal act of violence which can lead to murder.. The other is being a idiot in your opinion by a protest that hurts no one.. The other party is free to protest back and burn crap if they wish.. But if they break the law they should be arrested and charged.. Not the side practicing their first amendment.

We are on the same side of an argument.:o And thanks for making me leader.....LJS9502_basic

Shocking I know.. I just find it utterly ridiculous that people think that liberty when it comes to protesting to be curbed by the uncivilized illegal reaction of another group.. If its any one who should be arrested it should be the people who are reacting.. They are fully free to protest back against it, instead they become violent.. And their solution is to curb free speech in general :|, they should read 1984.. That society was real "safe" in keeping public safety above personal liberty.

Funny, I've seen the argument put forth many times in this forum that they should not build the Islamic Center in Manhattan because it might incite violence from others. Yet when someone is arrested in the UK (which does not have the guarantees of free speech that the US does) for burning a Qur'an on the basis that it might incite others to violence the opinion is that they should not have been arrested.

worlock77

However you are correct that the people complaining are hypocrites

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Funny, I've seen the argument put forth many times in this forum that they should not build the Islamic Center in Manhattan because it might incite violence from others. Yet when someone is arrested in the UK (which does not have the guarantees of free speech that the US does) for burning a Qur'an on the basis that it might incite others to violence the opinion is that they should not have been arrested.

toast_burner

However you are correct that the people complaining are hypocrites

Its down to this, we have different point of views about freedom. You consider trolling others part of freedom, I see it wrong, simple as that, which I'm free to do.GazaAli

Never go to New York City where many people can be complete asses to you then, because the police will laugh at you when you demand their arrest.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]We are on the same side of an argument.:o And thanks for making me leader.....sSubZerOo

Shocking I know.. I just find it utterly ridiculous that people think that liberty when it comes to protesting to be curbed by the uncivilized illegal reaction of another group.. If its any one who should be arrested it should be the people who are reacting.. They are fully free to protest back against it, instead they become violent.. And their solution is to curb free speech in general :|, they should read 1984.. That society was real "safe" in keeping public safety above personal liberty.

Its down to this, we have different point of views about freedom. You consider trolling others part of freedom, I see it wrong, simple as that, which I'm free to do.GazaAli

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]We are on the same side of an argument.:o And thanks for making me leader.....GazaAli

Shocking I know.. I just find it utterly ridiculous that people think that liberty when it comes to protesting to be curbed by the uncivilized illegal reaction of another group.. If its any one who should be arrested it should be the people who are reacting.. They are fully free to protest back against it, instead they become violent.. And their solution is to curb free speech in general :|, they should read 1984.. That society was real "safe" in keeping public safety above personal liberty.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]We are on the same side of an argument.:o And thanks for making me leader.....GazaAli

Shocking I know.. I just find it utterly ridiculous that people think that liberty when it comes to protesting to be curbed by the uncivilized illegal reaction of another group.. If its any one who should be arrested it should be the people who are reacting.. They are fully free to protest back against it, instead they become violent.. And their solution is to curb free speech in general :|, they should read 1984.. That society was real "safe" in keeping public safety above personal liberty.

I do not support either war, nor do I control the government.. So your point is moot. Furthermore this isn't about violence, this is about upholding personal liberty even over security.. If we were frightened of what people would do all the time, then all speech would be banned because some one some where will be pissed.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Funny, I've seen the argument put forth many times in this forum that they should not build the Islamic Center in Manhattan because it might incite violence from others. Yet when someone is arrested in the UK (which does not have the guarantees of free speech that the US does) for burning a Qur'an on the basis that it might incite others to violence the opinion is that they should not have been arrested.

LJS9502_basic

You really love to read stuff into others posts that they didn't say.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Funny, I've seen the argument put forth many times in this forum that they should not build the Islamic Center in Manhattan because it might incite violence from others. Yet when someone is arrested in the UK (which does not have the guarantees of free speech that the US does) for burning a Qur'an on the basis that it might incite others to violence the opinion is that they should not have been arrested.

worlock77

You really love to read stuff into others posts that they didn't say.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]Its down to this, we have different point of views about freedom. You consider trolling others part of freedom, I see it wrong, simple as that, which I'm free to do.sSubZerOo

Never go to New York City where many people can be complete asses to you then, because the police will laugh at you when you demand their arrest.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]We are on the same side of an argument.:o And thanks for making me leader.....sSubZerOo

Shocking I know.. I just find it utterly ridiculous that people think that liberty when it comes to protesting to be curbed by the uncivilized illegal reaction of another group.. If its any one who should be arrested it should be the people who are reacting.. They are fully free to protest back against it, instead they become violent.. And their solution is to curb free speech in general :|, they should read 1984.. That society was real "safe" in keeping public safety above personal liberty.

Sorry, in the UK protests that can lead to rioting or other forms of violence is forbidden, you need to stop putting Americas way onto other countries, such as the protests outside of the mosque in London. KKK and nazis are also all banned from the UK regardless of country because they believe all they will do is come to incite others. For people who like to criticize Americas rights on a daily basis you guys sure jump ship and use America's example when it suits you.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]Its down to this, we have different point of views about freedom. You consider trolling others part of freedom, I see it wrong, simple as that, which I'm free to do.LJS9502_basic

and if freedom means that anyone would be able to express their views no matter how wrong, evil, and offensive they are, then I would rather live in a country with limited freedom.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]Its down to this, we have different point of views about freedom. You consider trolling others part of freedom, I see it wrong, simple as that, which I'm free to do.GazaAli

Never go to New York City where many people can be complete asses to you then, because the police will laugh at you when you demand their arrest.

Thats great then.. But the problem being is this law effects us all.. Not just the supposed "trolls".. Whats stopping them from me making a critical speech towards Islam and they arresting me declaring that I am tryign to incite violence? Absolutely nothing.. People have a right to say what they want with in reason outside of direct threats and screaming fire in a theater.. Its the same reason why we allow the KKK and the West Baptist Church marching and protesting..

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]We are on the same side of an argument.:o And thanks for making me leader.....Espada12

Shocking I know.. I just find it utterly ridiculous that people think that liberty when it comes to protesting to be curbed by the uncivilized illegal reaction of another group.. If its any one who should be arrested it should be the people who are reacting.. They are fully free to protest back against it, instead they become violent.. And their solution is to curb free speech in general :|, they should read 1984.. That society was real "safe" in keeping public safety above personal liberty.

Sorry, in the UK protests that can lead to rioting or other forms of violence is forbidden, you need to stop putting Americas way onto other countries, such as the protests outside of the mosque in London. KKK and nazis are also all banned from the UK regardless of country because they believe all they will do is come to incite others. For people who like to criticize Americas rights on a daily basis you guys sure jump ship and use America's example when it suits you.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] So you're saying they shouldn't build?LJS9502_basic

You really love to read stuff into others posts that they didn't say.

This may come as a frightening shock to you but the world isn't as black and white as you'd like it to be. I'm merely pointing out the hypocrisy here. Personally I do not care who gets offended over what, but neither am I going to presume to state what laws other countries should or should not have.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]We are on the same side of an argument.:o And thanks for making me leader.....Espada12

Shocking I know.. I just find it utterly ridiculous that people think that liberty when it comes to protesting to be curbed by the uncivilized illegal reaction of another group.. If its any one who should be arrested it should be the people who are reacting.. They are fully free to protest back against it, instead they become violent.. And their solution is to curb free speech in general :|, they should read 1984.. That society was real "safe" in keeping public safety above personal liberty.

Sorry, in the UK protests that can lead to rioting or other forms of violence is forbidden, you need to stop putting Americas way onto other countries, such as the protests outside of the mosque in London. KKK and nazis are also all banned from the UK regardless of country because they believe all they will do is come to incite others. For people who like to criticize Americas rights on a daily basis you guys sure jump ship and use America's example when it suits you.

Which is ironic really when both the UK and a good portion of Europe have a great streak of racism and xenophobia as of late.. Clearly your "bans" arn't working.