Burka ban

[QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

I guess we dismiss the second line eh?

MrGrimFandango

That's not exactly a shining endorsement.

[QUOTE="MobilechicaneX"]

I'm ok with this. Like the other guy said, Islam should adjust to Europe. Not the other way around.

And why is it that Islam gets a free pass when it comes to things such as this compared to other religions?

worlock77

Are you seriously asking this question? The europeans didn't migrate to where they went, they CONQUERED where they went.

That's not exactly a shining endorsement.

theone86

You can't pick and choose when to be a democracy.

[QUOTE="MrGrimFandango"][QUOTE="worlock77"] Replace "Muslim" with anything else denoting culture. Europe spent centuries forcing it's customs onto others. Now that people are moving into Europe and bringing their own customs with them Europeans are throwing a goddamn fit. Personally I see it as "turnabout is fair play". And make no mistake, this isn't about womans rights or even safety necessarily, it's about people having a problem with non-European customs in Europe. theone86

That's not exactly a shining endorsement.

I'd support it.

And good for france.

[QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="MobilechicaneX"]

I'm ok with this. Like the other guy said, Islam should adjust to Europe. Not the other way around.

And why is it that Islam gets a free pass when it comes to things such as this compared to other religions?

Espada12

Are you seriously asking this question? The europeans didn't migrate to where they went, they CONQUERED where they went.

Don't bunch everyone together, Ireland didn't conquer anyone, but we have migrated everywhere and set up bars :)tenaka2

lol yeah sorry.

I don't want a complete ban, they can wear them in public and in their own homes all they want. I just hate how they get to wear them in school and courthouses where you are normally required to take off a hat. They get special treatment in the U.S. because our government fears that it would be "racist" and that they would look like Muslim haters if they required them to obey rules. SF_KiLLaMaN

[QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"]I don't want a complete ban, they can wear them in public and in their own homes all they want. I just hate how they get to wear them in school and courthouses where you are normally required to take off a hat. They get special treatment in the U.S. because our government fears that it would be "racist" and that they would look like Muslim haters if they required them to obey rules. Fuhgeddabouditt

I'd support this. A lot of countries are having culture identity crises and this isnt helping.

[QUOTE="Fuhgeddabouditt"][QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"]I don't want a complete ban, they can wear them in public and in their own homes all they want. I just hate how they get to wear them in school and courthouses where you are normally required to take off a hat. They get special treatment in the U.S. because our government fears that it would be "racist" and that they would look like Muslim haters if they required them to obey rules. SF_KiLLaMaN

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[QUOTE="Fuhgeddabouditt"] It wouldnt look good because America is a "melting pot", where X,Y,Z come here to live. Home of the free, do whatever you what is what people are told. Fuhgeddabouditt

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[QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"] Rules are rules. Why should only one group be excluded? You could actually argue that it is against equality to force everybody but a certain group to follow rules. If they do not want to obey the rules we have, they shouldn't live here.

SF_KiLLaMaN

Yes, I want a law mandating that I can't wear a certain article of clothing because of the religious connotations behind it. Seriously, do people in support of this fascist law know how to think past their noses?Theokhoth

It is a security issue and I can see why it needs to be done. LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Yes, I want a law mandating that I can't wear a certain article of clothing because of the religious connotations behind it. Seriously, do people in support of this fascist law know how to think past their noses?LJS9502_basic

They also banned ski masks in public

Sucks to be skier in France damn im pissed :(

Yes, I want a law mandating that I can't wear a certain article of clothing because of the religious connotations behind it. Seriously, do people in support of this fascist law know how to think past their noses?Theokhoth

State security > non religious garment,

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Yes, I want a law mandating that I can't wear a certain article of clothing because of the religious connotations behind it. Seriously, do people in support of this fascist law know how to think past their noses?Espada12

State security > non religious garment,

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Yes, I want a law mandating that I can't wear a certain article of clothing because of the religious connotations behind it. Seriously, do people in support of this fascist law know how to think past their noses?tenaka2

State security > non religious garment,

What if they are evil ninjas? :O

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Yes, I want a law mandating that I can't wear a certain article of clothing because of the religious connotations behind it. Seriously, do people in support of this fascist law know how to think past their noses?Theokhoth

So France considers those women as victims of an oppression, yet this law punishes them.

France claims this is an act of freedom, yet if they refuse to act freely they'll get fined.

Will they also make it illegal for a Muslim woman to not want to learn how to drive? I hear only men can drive in many Muslim societies, we must put an end to this!

(are they also going to arrest people wearing veils during carnivals?)

I say fair play to France.

I'd support such a law here in the UK. I'm sorry but I don't care what your cultural or religious beliefs are, I live in a country where social interaction occurs in a certain way because everyone's face is on show, and if you choose to live in this country you should try to fit in.

And also, correct me if I'm wrong, but if I went to a place where Sharia Law is mighty and started wearing what I believe I can wear and saying the sort of things I believe I can say I damn well think they'd do something to stop me.

And also, correct me if I'm wrong, but if I went to a place where Sharia Law is mighty and started wearing what I believe I can wear and saying the sort of things I believe I can say I damn well think they'd do something to stop me.

MissLibrarian

Describe what you believe you can wear. Y'know, so I can judge if you are wrong and correct you (if necessary).

I believe the burka is a symbol of female oppression. I also believe people have the right to their own religious customs. :?

if I went to a place where Sharia Law is mighty and started wearing what I believe I can wear and saying the sort of things I believe I can say I damn well think they'd do something to stop me.

MissLibrarian

[QUOTE="MissLibrarian"]

if I went to a place where Sharia Law is mighty and started wearing what I believe I can wear and saying the sort of things I believe I can say I damn well think they'd do something to stop me.

Ninja-Hippo

No, it's just hypocritical of immigrants from Muslim nations to complain about having to follow local customs when they do the same thing.

yes....if i cant see your face then i cant trust you

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="MissLibrarian"]

if I went to a place where Sharia Law is mighty and started wearing what I believe I can wear and saying the sort of things I believe I can say I damn well think they'd do something to stop me.

redstorm72

No, it's just hypocritical of immigrants from Muslim nations to complain about having to follow local customs when they do the same thing.

I don't think burkas should be banned in the US, but you should have to take it off to get your driver's license picture taken.

And since when is "ÿou can't wear this piece of clothing because we say so"a part of France's (or any modern Western country's) local customsTheokhoth

I don't think it is. I'd say being able to look someone in the face when you're interacting with them is, however.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] And since when is "ÿou can't wear this piece of clothing because we say so"a part of France's (or any modern Western country's) local customsMissLibrarian

I don't think it is. I'd say being able to look someone in the face when you're interacting with them is, however.

[QUOTE="MissLibrarian"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] And since when is "ÿou can't wear this piece of clothing because we say so"a part of France's (or any modern Western country's) local customsTheokhoth

I don't think it is. I'd say being able to look someone in the face when you're interacting with them is, however.

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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

I'm not certain what outrage has to do with my post, but I digress. The reasons cited for the law was described by French Lawmakers as 'cultural preservation', and not public safety. The latter seems to be a bit of a red herring formulated by apologists.

coolbeans90

Well I agree than, thats absurd that it was done for that reason.. But from what I heard it was for security reasons above anythign else.. But I may be wrong.

"Mr. Sarkozy himself has said, "The burqa is not welcome in France because it is contrary to our values and contrary to the ideals we have of a woman's dignity."

Government officials say the bill is an effort to discourage fundamentalist Islam from taking root in France.

After the vote, Justice Minister Michèle Alliot-Marie said it was a victory for democracy and for French values, which she described this way: "Values of freedom against all the oppressions that try to humiliate individuals; values of equality between men and women, against those who push for inequality and injustice."

Opinion polls show that French voters overwhelmingly support the ban on facial veils. A Pew Research Center poll done in April and May found that more than 80 percent of French voters supported a ban, as well as more than 70 percent of German voters and 62 percent of British voters."

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Sounds like populist pandering to me.

I think this post is still relevant to certain points that some users are still making in this thread.

Ban them please

Hasn't been a problem before, isn't a problem now. Paranoia fulled by sensationallist media and everyones up in arms... Security as an issue is poppycock really - there's an argument to be made for female rights, but the areas too grey to install an outright ban. Oh well.

i support this

I say ban it, for both preservation of the existing womens culture in France and the security issues it creates, just go wear a hijab.

**Oh and to the Americans claiming civil rights violations, most other countries never needed to go through a civil rights movment to get their freedoms as such most of their freedoms are written in law which creates a different paradigm regarding civil liberties and you should respect them for it (basicaly they are more progressive im saying).

I would in airports and other public international travel zones. Otherwise I think its racist to ban them