California schools seeking to indoctrinate children?

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="sonicare"] It's the college phase. Anti-establishment. Give it time.

whipassmt

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

I'm not bashing theokhoth. He's just changed a lot over the last few years and I'm betting that's because he's in college. That tends to happen when people go away - they come back with different beliefs.

GreySeal9

I don't think you were bashing him (though whipassmt definitely is) as you're comments seemed light-hearted enough. I just don't know why threads in which he is involved always seem to devolve into users commenting about him. And there's one guy (who I won't name; he's not in this particular thread) who just seems obsessed.

Theo I am saying that if God disagrees with you, then you shouldn't think that YOU are the one who is right.

And why do you assume that those who disagree with you are "malevolent" or jerks. If God created someone as a male or female, and wants them to stay that way, isn't that His prerogative.

Maybe you are right about these topics. But if God disagrees with me, then I must accept that humbly, not continue to think I am right.

whipassmt

Which god do you mean? There are so many after all, if we try to stick to all of the gods wishes we wouldn't be able to do much at all.

How do you know if god agrees with you or not? Have you some kind of hotline the rest of humanity is not aware of?

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] :roll: I'm still religious, here. I even go to church (my heretical, woman-for-a-priest, knows-I'm-gay-but-doesn't-care church) every week.DroidPhysX

Good for California. If other states followed suit we would have a lot better more tolerant country. Instead we get states like TN where teachers can't even say the word gay I hate living in the South, its an embarrassment.

Good for California. If other states followed suit we would have a lot better more tolerant country. Instead we get states like TN where teachers can't even say the word gay I hate living in the South, its an embarrassment.

white_wolf922

[QUOTE="white_wolf922"]

Good for California. If other states followed suit we would have a lot better more tolerant country. Instead we get states like TN where teachers can't even say the word gay I hate living in the South, its an embarrassment.

DroidPhysX

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="whipassmt"] I never said you weren't. But I do think you need to apologize to the LORD for what you have said about Him.

whipassmt

lol, teaching kids about gender diversity is "indoctrinating" them. :lol:[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

Than again wasn't it in California where a teacher took her students to a gay wedding on school time, without permission from the parents. And I bet if one of the students saw the two "spouses" kissing and laughed or called it gross, he'de be the one who gets in trouble.

Theokhoth

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

Than again wasn't it in California where a teacher took her students to a gay wedding on school time, without permission from the parents. And I bet if one of the students saw the two "spouses" kissing and laughed or called it gross, he'de be the one who gets in trouble.

lowkey254

Yes, and he'd deserve it.

why would he deserve it?

'Cause it's fair. I know when I was a little kid, and there was a movie on that had adults smooching, and I or someone said "Ewww" or "Grossss," we got in big trouble. You mean you didn't?

[QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]

[QUOTE="daqua_99"]Just continue to cram more and more stuff into the curriculum and then wonder why the fundamentals (i.e. language, mathematics, science, etc) are failing.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]

[QUOTE="daqua_99"]Just continue to cram more and more stuff into the curriculum and then wonder why the fundamentals (i.e. language, mathematics, science, etc) are failing.SpartanMSU

Underfunding? U.S. schools are overfunded compared to the rest of the Western world. Some of the best funded schools are the crappiest schools. It has nothing to do with funding.

School finances come largely from property taxes, so if u live in a middle class area, u get decent schools, if u live in a rich area like me, u get great schools, and if u live in a poor area ur schools suck.

this schools that are in poor districts are horribly horribly underfunded, and I doubt anybody really cares.

3 genders? Have i missed something here?

Schools in Oakland, California are having a spending two days (May 23 and 24) teaching chldren from Kindergarten to Fifth grade that "there are more than two genders" in a program about "Gender Spectrum diversity".

Here is the breakdown by grade:

Grades K-1: "Boy, girl or both? Which Outfit, Which Hairdo? (Reading) My Princess Boy." Grades 2-3 "What is gender? (Reading) 10,000 Dresses." Grades 4-5: "Three dimensions of gender. (Reading/Song) All I Want to be is Me."

And this is stuff many parents don't believe in and don't want their children to learn.

And anyone else think that K- 5 students are really gonna comprehend junk like:

"gender is not inherently nor solely connected to one's physical anatomy." Further, gender is a "complex interrelationship between (physical traits) and one's internal sense of self as male, female, both or neither as well as one's outward presentations and behaviors related to that perception."

And we wonder why our math and science scores are so low, because instead of spending time teaching about that we waste it teaching all this political correct garbage.

whipassmt

I think its okay, but I think the parents of the child should consent to such a program.

[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

[QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]that's because of underfunding and summer vacation more than anything....

CaveJohnson1

Underfunding? U.S. schools are overfunded compared to the rest of the Western world. Some of the best funded schools are the crappiest schools. It has nothing to do with funding.

School finances come largely from property taxes, so if u live in a middle class area, u get decent schools, if u live in a rich area like me, u get great schools, and if u live in a poor area ur schools suck.

this schools that are in poor districts are horribly horribly underfunded, and I doubt anybody really cares.

lol, biological facts are not important, it is how you feelthat determines reality.

god how i will welcome our chinese overlords when they decide to make their move.

Teaching agendas in school is ok as long as it's my agenda they teach.

Teaching agendas in school is ok as long as it's my agenda they teach.

sonicare

[QUOTE="lowkey254"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Yes, and he'd deserve it.

Palantas

why would he deserve it?

'Cause it's fair. I know when I was a little kid, and there was a movie on that had adults smooching, and I or someone said "Ewww" or "Grossss," we got in big trouble. You mean you didn't?

[QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]

[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

Underfunding? U.S. schools are overfunded compared to the rest of the Western world. Some of the best funded schools are the crappiest schools. It has nothing to do with funding.

YellowOneKinobi

School finances come largely from property taxes, so if u live in a middle class area, u get decent schools, if u live in a rich area like me, u get great schools, and if u live in a poor area ur schools suck.

this schools that are in poor districts are horribly horribly underfunded, and I doubt anybody really cares.

[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"]

[QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]Ur from michigan, I have a hard time believing u haven't heard about the budget cuts to detroit schools, or the incredibly poor funding they already had.

School finances come largely from property taxes, so if u live in a middle class area, u get decent schools, if u live in a rich area like me, u get great schools, and if u live in a poor area ur schools suck.

this schools that are in poor districts are horribly horribly underfunded, and I doubt anybody really cares.

CaveJohnson1

This is ridiculous. This is purely political correctness gone too far. This is the parents job to teach kids, not the school systems Tylendal

I don't see why schools teaching basic social theory is such a bad thing. Kids don't necessarily have to pay attention or even agree to it, but someone might as well attempt to open their minds to new ideas.

3 genders? Have i missed something here?lasseeb

The basic gist of it (correct me if I'm wrong people - I know there are about a billion different theories on it all):

Depending on who you ask (and I know some disagree), sex is biologically determined - you're born as either a man or a woman (or in some cases, both).

Gender, however, is a social construct, not necessarily related to the particular genitals you were born with. Masculinity, femininity...they're determined by the prevalent social norms of the time.
Men in some cultures, for example, wear make up and dance and so on to attract their women - we would probably think of them as being feminine, but there that would be the height of masculinity. A few hundred years ago, working would have been considered a highly masculine trait, now nobody would bat an eye if you saw a woman with a job.

Anyway, if your gender is determined not by your biology, but by societal views, (and it is) then it follows that gender is a flexible term - you can identify with whatever gender you choose. And from there, gender isn't really limited to just those two binary societal norms...what happens if you don't identify with the gender expected of you? Surely there must be more genders than just male and female, as people might identify themselves as transgender, asexual, or other categories entirely.

This isn't anything new, or even particularly politically correct. There are plenty of cultures in the world that have more than two genders inherent in their societies - and I'm not taling homosexuals or anything like that (although they may sometimes be eunuchs). It's just an inherent part of the way they think about gender.

Hm, anyway, that might not have cleared anything up. In any case, I'd love for more people to be more educated about social theory.

here is an interesting video on a similar topic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKySKzlOI00&feature=feedu

[QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]

[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"]I can't speak to specific areas, but the national average cost per student in public schools equates to $11,000 per student (higher here in NY where it is closer to $18,000 per student). Those numbers are comperable to the average tuition of Catholic/Private schools. However, public schools still vastly underperform when compared to their private coutnerparts. Money is not the issue.

YellowOneKinobi

Schools in Oakland, California are having a spending two days (May 23 and 24) teaching chldren from Kindergarten to Fifth grade that "there are more than two genders" in a program about "Gender Spectrum diversity".

Here is the breakdown by grade:

Grades K-1: "Boy, girl or both? Which Outfit, Which Hairdo? (Reading) My Princess Boy." Grades 2-3 "What is gender? (Reading) 10,000 Dresses." Grades 4-5: "Three dimensions of gender. (Reading/Song) All I Want to be is Me."

And this is stuff many parents don't believe in and don't want their children to learn.

And anyone else think that K- 5 students are really gonna comprehend junk like:

"gender is not inherently nor solely connected to one's physical anatomy." Further, gender is a "complex interrelationship between (physical traits) and one's internal sense of self as male, female, both or neither as well as one's outward presentations and behaviors related to that perception."

And we wonder why our math and science scores are so low, because instead of spending time teaching about that we waste it teaching all this political correct garbage.

whipassmt

Huh, I never knew that teaching facts equated to indoctrination. Like it or not, that is how gender works. If parents want to "teach" views that run counter to accepted definitions of gender then they can do it outside of school, but school is supposed to teach professionally accepted definitions.

As to math and science being so low, again these are professionally accepted defintions that have been developed using a scientific method of analysis, if anything I would think this would boost math and science scores. I would say that teaching kids that they can dismiss any scientific theory that they don't like through teaching creationism as a legitimate scientific theory does far more harm to children's understanding of science.

According to my state's department of licensing, there are still only two choices. You check either M or F; there's no third option.

Oleg_Huzwog

[QUOTE="Tylendal"]This is ridiculous. This is purely political correctness gone too far. This is the parents job to teach kids, not the school systems Planeforger

I don't see why schools teaching basic social theory is such a bad thing. Kids don't necessarily have to pay attention or even agree to it, but someone might as well attempt to open their minds to new ideas.

I don't get what's wrong with this :s There are more than 2 genders. Facts are facts.

Edit: I don't get why they need to spend 2 days though. It took me probably less than a second to accept that fact and move on with my life.

here is an interesting video on a similar topic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKySKzlOI00&feature=feedu

arbitor365

[QUOTE="JML897"]

Yes, it sucks so bad that these kids will be taught to be tolerant. It's two days worth of education. It's not like they're spending their entire year teaching this.

[QUOTE="arbitor365"]

here is an interesting video on a similar topic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKySKzlOI00&feature=feedu

Chojuto

thats because ZJ is a guy ;)

he actually has said that he takes other people's confusion of his gender as a compliment.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

This state is such a joke and it proves it daily.

elblanquito_81

[QUOTE="BATTOSAI76"]

This is... weird... O_o Homeschooling is looking better, and better every day.

Chutebox

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="whipassmt"] It is something that the parents should teach the kids. It is inappropriate for the government to try to push a certain set of values (including your overrated "tolerance") on people.

ChrisSpartan117

I dunno, maybe because of how mean-spirited intolerant people are.

[QUOTE="ChrisSpartan117"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"] Telling your kids the facts is the duty of the public schools. If the parents don't like their kids learning about society, they should take them back to their caves.theone86

I dunno, maybe because of how mean-spirited intolerant people are.

That makes sense.

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="JML897"]

Yes, it sucks so bad that these kids will be taught to be tolerant. It's two days worth of education. It's not like they're spending their entire year teaching this.

Theokhoth

[QUOTE="theone86"]

Why does everyone who preaches tolerance have to be so f---ing mean-spirited about it?ChrisSpartan117

I dunno, maybe because of how mean-spirited intolerant people are.

That makes sense.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

I dunno, maybe because of how mean-spirited intolerant people are.

That makes sense.

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="Palantas"]

That makes sense.

LJS9502_basic