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[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] no one asked for your help , just don't come running to the Jewish state if the non Jews in your particular country decide to kill you. and no , I do not care how liberal the place where you live is, 100 years ago , Germany was one of the most liberal and tolerant places for Jews, so you can never predict the future.Stesilaus
I hear there is a lot of anti-semitism in many European countries still. There are growing number of attacks on Jewish people, and these are very liberal countries.
What in the world would Zionists do without anti-Semitism? :roll:
Anti-semitism has been "on the rise" only because the bar for anti-Semitic behaviour has been lowered to the point where ANY CRITICISM of Israel is now automatically considered "anti-Semitic".
California passes resolution defining criticism of Israel as anti-Semitism
It's a non-binding resolution but still a blatant attack on academic freedom. California State Assembly Seeks to Stifle Debate on Israel http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stephen-zunes/california-state-assembly_b_1842841.html[QUOTE="Rockman999"]I don't get why it is so important for us(non Zionist jews) to "protect" Isreal. What have they done for us and what will we gain from helping them?Darkman2007no one asked for your help , just don't come running to the Jewish state if the non Jews in your particular country decide to kill you. and no , I do not care how liberal the place where you live is, 100 years ago , Germany was one of the most liberal and tolerant places for Jews, so you can never predict the future.:lol: Wow the "yeah well we don't want you anyways, nyah!" come back. Yeah you're right, no one asked me to help. I'm being forced by the politicians in my country to help. Where I come from "sectarian violence" is nothing but a term one hears on foreign news reports. The only thing even remotely close to sectarian violence in this country is gang warfare and that's pretty much only an issue in inner city neighborhoods so no I won't ever need to flee to Isreal for saftey. I like how you arrogantly imply that Israel is somehow the apex civilisation on our planet that will lead our species to reconstruction when all the other civilisations have fallen. Ok maybe that's a bit of exaggeration. Your nation is dependent on the nations who created and have sustained you, if we fall then you fall. You haven't answered my question, what has Israel done for the United States to deserve our help and how will I, the rest of the hispanics, blacks, whites, asians, middle easterners, and the non- zionist jews in this country benefit from helping Israel? My city already got hit hard by a group of bitter desert yokels just because our nation was backing Israel. We lost nearly 3,000 innocent civilians and a global icon. Tell me, how does Israel plan to reimburse us for loses incurred due to them? I don't hate Israel and especially not jews, I'm just bothered by the burden my nation has taken to essentially baby sit what has become a bully nation.
[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Rockman999"]I don't get why it is so important for us(non Zionist jews) to "protect" Isreal. What have they done for us and what will we gain from helping them?Rockman999no one asked for your help , just don't come running to the Jewish state if the non Jews in your particular country decide to kill you. and no , I do not care how liberal the place where you live is, 100 years ago , Germany was one of the most liberal and tolerant places for Jews, so you can never predict the future.:lol: Wow the "yeah well we don't want you anyways, nyah!" come back. Yeah you're right, no one asked me to help. I'm being forced by the politicians in my country to help. Where I come from "sectarian violence" is nothing but a term one hears on foreign news reports. The only thing even remotely close to sectarian violence in this country is gang warfare and that's pretty much only an issue in inner city neighborhoods so no I won't ever need to flee to Isreal for saftey. I like how you arrogantly imply that Israel is somehow the apex civilisation on our planet that will lead our species to reconstruction when all the other civilisations have fallen. Ok maybe that's a bit of exaggeration. Your nation is dependent on the nations who created and have sustained you, if we fall then you fall. You haven't answered my question, what has Israel done for the United States to deserve our help and how will I, the rest of the hispanics, blacks, whites, asians, middle easterners, and the non- zionist jews in this country benefit from helping Israel? My city already got hit hard by a group of bitter desert yokels just because our nation was backing Israel. We lost nearly 3,000 innocent civilians and a global icon. Tell me, how does Israel plan to reimburse us for loses incurred due to them? I don't hate Israel and especially not jews, I'm just bothered by the burden my nation has taken to essentially baby sit what has become a bully nation.
This reminds me of how German Jews viewed a Jewish state before the holocause.
And 9/11 was because of various reasons. Not only Israel. And lol at calling Israel a bully state. Furthermore Israel would not fall without the US money. Just consider the fact that they give much more to her enemies.
:lol: Wow the "yeah well we don't want you anyways, nyah!" come back. Yeah you're right, no one asked me to help. I'm being forced by the politicians in my country to help. Where I come from "sectarian violence" is nothing but a term one hears on foreign news reports. The only thing even remotely close to sectarian violence in this country is gang warfare and that's pretty much only an issue in inner city neighborhoods so no I won't ever need to flee to Isreal for saftey. I like how you arrogantly imply that Israel is somehow the apex civilisation on our planet that will lead our species to reconstruction when all the other civilisations have fallen. Ok maybe that's a bit of exaggeration. Your nation is dependent on the nations who created and have sustained you, if we fall then you fall. You haven't answered my question, what has Israel done for the United States to deserve our help and how will I, the rest of the hispanics, blacks, whites, asians, middle easterners, and the non- zionist jews in this country benefit from helping Israel? My city already got hit hard by a group of bitter desert yokels just because our nation was backing Israel. We lost nearly 3,000 innocent civilians and a global icon. Tell me, how does Israel plan to reimburse us for loses incurred due to them? I don't hate Israel and especially not jews, I'm just bothered by the burden my nation has taken to essentially baby sit what has become a bully nation.[QUOTE="Rockman999"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"] no one asked for your help , just don't come running to the Jewish state if the non Jews in your particular country decide to kill you. and no , I do not care how liberal the place where you live is, 100 years ago , Germany was one of the most liberal and tolerant places for Jews, so you can never predict the future.themajormayor
This reminds me of how German Jews viewed a Jewish state before the holocause.
And 9/11 was because of various reasons. Not only Israel. And lol at calling Israel a bully state. Furthermore Israel would not fall without the US money. Just consider the fact that they give much more to her enemies.
pretty much my answer, Rockman sounds like a typical Jew in 1920s and 1930s Europe, "life is great, the non Jews love us, who needs the Jewish state", frankly he should have a talk with my grandmother who can tell him quite easily how things change. although frankly most of the rest of what he said is also nonsense, between blaming Israel for 9/11 and its supposed over reliance on the US, he doesn't know his left from his right. the only thing he has proven is that us Jews are some of the most self destructive people on Earth , who needs the Germans when we have people like him.[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Rockman999"]I don't get why it is so important for us(non Zionist jews) to "protect" Isreal. What have they done for us and what will we gain from helping them?Rockman999no one asked for your help , just don't come running to the Jewish state if the non Jews in your particular country decide to kill you. and no , I do not care how liberal the place where you live is, 100 years ago , Germany was one of the most liberal and tolerant places for Jews, so you can never predict the future.:lol: Wow the "yeah well we don't want you anyways, nyah!" come back. Yeah you're right, no one asked me to help. I'm being forced by the politicians in my country to help. Where I come from "sectarian violence" is nothing but a term one hears on foreign news reports. The only thing even remotely close to sectarian violence in this country is gang warfare and that's pretty much only an issue in inner city neighborhoods so no I won't ever need to flee to Isreal for saftey. I like how you arrogantly imply that Israel is somehow the apex civilisation on our planet that will lead our species to reconstruction when all the other civilisations have fallen. Ok maybe that's a bit of exaggeration. Your nation is dependent on the nations who created and have sustained you, if we fall then you fall. You haven't answered my question, what has Israel done for the United States to deserve our help and how will I, the rest of the hispanics, blacks, whites, asians, middle easterners, and the non- zionist jews in this country benefit from helping Israel? My city already got hit hard by a group of bitter desert yokels just because our nation was backing Israel. We lost nearly 3,000 innocent civilians and a global icon. Tell me, how does Israel plan to reimburse us for loses incurred due to them? I don't hate Israel and especially not jews, I'm just bothered by the burden my nation has taken to essentially baby sit what has become a bully nation. As a taxpayer my money goes to many places I don't want it to go......why aren't you complaining about all the other foreign aid given out?
I am really surprised this thread got so much attention:o why should it be important to this extend? Well, Iranian government managed to turn almost allinfluential important countries to it's foe and they seem kind of proud of it. 400.000 Iranian imigrants to Canada don't share their enthusiasm though.
[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="Rockman999"]:lol: Wow the "yeah well we don't want you anyways, nyah!" come back. Yeah you're right, no one asked me to help. I'm being forced by the politicians in my country to help. Where I come from "sectarian violence" is nothing but a term one hears on foreign news reports. The only thing even remotely close to sectarian violence in this country is gang warfare and that's pretty much only an issue in inner city neighborhoods so no I won't ever need to flee to Isreal for saftey. I like how you arrogantly imply that Israel is somehow the apex civilisation on our planet that will lead our species to reconstruction when all the other civilisations have fallen. Ok maybe that's a bit of exaggeration. Your nation is dependent on the nations who created and have sustained you, if we fall then you fall. You haven't answered my question, what has Israel done for the United States to deserve our help and how will I, the rest of the hispanics, blacks, whites, asians, middle easterners, and the non- zionist jews in this country benefit from helping Israel? My city already got hit hard by a group of bitter desert yokels just because our nation was backing Israel. We lost nearly 3,000 innocent civilians and a global icon. Tell me, how does Israel plan to reimburse us for loses incurred due to them? I don't hate Israel and especially not jews, I'm just bothered by the burden my nation has taken to essentially baby sit what has become a bully nation.Darkman2007
This reminds me of how German Jews viewed a Jewish state before the holocause.
And 9/11 was because of various reasons. Not only Israel. And lol at calling Israel a bully state. Furthermore Israel would not fall without the US money. Just consider the fact that they give much more to her enemies.
pretty much my answer, Rockman sounds like a typical Jew in 1920s and 1930s Europe, "life is great, the non Jews love us, who needs the Jewish state", frankly he should have a talk with my grandmother who can tell him quite easily how things change. although frankly most of the rest of what he said is also nonsense, between blaming Israel for 9/11 and its supposed over reliance on the US, he doesn't know his left from his right. the only thing he has proven is that us Jews are some of the most self destructive people on Earth , who needs the Germans when we have people like him. Your take away from his entire post is that: "Jews are some of the most self destructive people on eathe..." All of that because he dare criticze Israel while also being Jewish? Bit of an overreaction if you ask me.[QUOTE="Rockman999"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"]
[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Rockman999"]I don't get why it is so important for us(non Zionist jews) to "protect" Isreal. What have they done for us and what will we gain from helping them?Rockman999no one asked for your help , just don't come running to the Jewish state if the non Jews in your particular country decide to kill you. and no , I do not care how liberal the place where you live is, 100 years ago , Germany was one of the most liberal and tolerant places for Jews, so you can never predict the future.:lol: Wow the "yeah well we don't want you anyways, nyah!" come back. Yeah you're right, no one asked me to help. I'm being forced by the politicians in my country to help. Where I come from "sectarian violence" is nothing but a term one hears on foreign news reports. The only thing even remotely close to sectarian violence in this country is gang warfare and that's pretty much only an issue in inner city neighborhoods so no I won't ever need to flee to Isreal for saftey. I like how you arrogantly imply that Israel is somehow the apex civilisation on our planet that will lead our species to reconstruction when all the other civilisations have fallen. Ok maybe that's a bit of exaggeration. Your nation is dependent on the nations who created and have sustained you, if we fall then you fall. You haven't answered my question, what has Israel done for the United States to deserve our help and how will I, the rest of the hispanics, blacks, whites, asians, middle easterners, and the non- zionist jews in this country benefit from helping Israel? My city already got hit hard by a group of bitter desert yokels just because our nation was backing Israel. We lost nearly 3,000 innocent civilians and a global icon. Tell me, how does Israel plan to reimburse us for loses incurred due to them? I don't hate Israel and especially not jews, I'm just bothered by the burden my nation has taken to essentially baby sit what has become a bully nation. Spot on. while my hometown is going down the @#%^ drain we still pump money into that state that only ruins our reputation around the world and resulted in 9/11 GG GL HF
This reminds me of how German Jews viewed a Jewish state before the holocause.
And 9/11 was because of various reasons. Not only Israel. And lol at calling Israel a bully state. Furthermore Israel would not fall without the US money. Just consider the fact that they give much more to her enemies.
pretty much my answer, Rockman sounds like a typical Jew in 1920s and 1930s Europe, "life is great, the non Jews love us, who needs the Jewish state", frankly he should have a talk with my grandmother who can tell him quite easily how things change. although frankly most of the rest of what he said is also nonsense, between blaming Israel for 9/11 and its supposed over reliance on the US, he doesn't know his left from his right. the only thing he has proven is that us Jews are some of the most self destructive people on Earth , who needs the Germans when we have people like him. Your take away from his entire post is that: "Jews are some of the most self destructive people on eather..." All of that because he dare criticze Israel while also being Jewish? Bit of an overreaction if you ask me. You or they play the Holocaust defense card hes done that to many in many other threads :)This reminds me of how German Jews viewed a Jewish state before the holocause.
And 9/11 was because of various reasons. Not only Israel. And lol at calling Israel a bully state. Furthermore Israel would not fall without the US money. Just consider the fact that they give much more to her enemies.
pretty much my answer, Rockman sounds like a typical Jew in 1920s and 1930s Europe, "life is great, the non Jews love us, who needs the Jewish state", frankly he should have a talk with my grandmother who can tell him quite easily how things change. although frankly most of the rest of what he said is also nonsense, between blaming Israel for 9/11 and its supposed over reliance on the US, he doesn't know his left from his right. the only thing he has proven is that us Jews are some of the most self destructive people on Earth , who needs the Germans when we have people like him. Your take away from his entire post is that: "Jews are some of the most self destructive people on eather..." All of that because he dare criticze Israel while also being Jewish? Bit of an overreaction if you ask me. You there is a difference between criticism and lies, Jews disagree on alot of things like I said, I didn't ask for his help , but my point about Jews being self destructive is true, I know enough about my own history to know that in some cases, us Jews end up being our worst enemies (the Hellenizers siding with the Greeks, the converts to Christianity siding with the Church , hell , even early Reform Judaism to some extent)They are making the right decision and standing up for the little guy (Israel) who is being picked on by the bullies.
ShadowMoses900
Israel is not the little guy, they have the atomic bomb.
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
They are making the right decision and standing up for the little guy (Israel) who is being picked on by the bullies.
ScreamDream
Israel is not the little guy, they have the atomic bomb.
They have several nuclear weapons actually and have yet to ratify or even sign the NPT.[QUOTE="ScreamDream"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
They are making the right decision and standing up for the little guy (Israel) who is being picked on by the bullies.
thebest31406
Israel is not the little guy, they have the atomic bomb.
They have several nuclear weapons actually and have yet to ratify or even sign the NPT.Israel is the victim, it has every right to exist and I am tired of seeing Iran making threats to it. I do not know why people hate it so much, sometimes it makes me wonder if their hate is actually something more sinister.....
Disagreeing with certain things the Israli government does is one thing, I disagreed with them blocking aid ships, however disagreeing with Israel having a right to exist or defend it's self is totally and completely bigoted. Israel should have nukes, in fact they should have more. They are trust worthy and will not attack people with them unlike Iran.
Israel only has nukes for self defense, just like US or UK or any other civilized country. Do you think England or the US should get rid of their nukes? Lol they would be attacked in a second if they did.
They have several nuclear weapons actually and have yet to ratify or even sign the NPT.[QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="ScreamDream"]
Israel is not the little guy, they have the atomic bomb.
ShadowMoses900
Israel is the victim, it has every right to exist and I am tired of seeing Iran making threats to it. I do not know why people hate it so much, sometimes it makes me wonder if their hate is actually something more sinister.....
Disagreeing with certain things the Israli government does is one thing, I disagreed with them blocking aid ships, however disagreeing with Israel having a right to exist or defend it's self is totally and completely bigoted. Israel should have nukes, in fact they should have more. They are trust worthy and will not attack people with them unlike Iran.
Israel only has nukes for self defense, just like US or UK or any other civilized country. Do you think England or the US should get rid of their nukes? Lol they would be attacked in a second if they did.
I'd trust Israel over Iran too (slightly more), but I understand how Iran would feel threatened when they're the weaker state. The US attacking Iraq despite UN opposition proved that any state that the US or its allies don't like can be invaded easily.
Israel only has nukes for self defense, just like US or UK or any other civilized country. Do you think England or the US should get rid of their nukes? Lol they would be attacked in a second if they did.
ShadowMoses900
That is legitimately one of the stupidest things I have read on this forum. Even in absence of nukes, the United States has by far the most powerful military on the planet. Seriously who do you think will attack us?
pretty much my answer, Rockman sounds like a typical Jew in 1920s and 1930s Europe, "life is great, the non Jews love us, who needs the Jewish state", frankly he should have a talk with my grandmother who can tell him quite easily how things change. although frankly most of the rest of what he said is also nonsense, between blaming Israel for 9/11 and its supposed over reliance on the US, he doesn't know his left from his right. the only thing he has proven is that us Jews are some of the most self destructive people on Earth , who needs the Germans when we have people like him. Your take away from his entire post is that: "Jews are some of the most self destructive people on eathe..." All of that because he dare criticze Israel while also being Jewish? Bit of an overreaction if you ask me. He didn't really criticize Israel in this post. Make sure you understand the post before you write. Just a tip.[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="themajormayor"]
This reminds me of how German Jews viewed a Jewish state before the holocause.
And 9/11 was because of various reasons. Not only Israel. And lol at calling Israel a bully state. Furthermore Israel would not fall without the US money. Just consider the fact that they give much more to her enemies.
Redinko
[QUOTE="ScreamDream"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
They are making the right decision and standing up for the little guy (Israel) who is being picked on by the bullies.
thebest31406
Israel is not the little guy, they have the atomic bomb.
They have several nuclear weapons actually and have yet to ratify or even sign the NPT. Joining the NPT is not some customary requirement. The reason (amongst others) Iran is in violation of international law is because it did sign the NPT.They have several nuclear weapons actually and have yet to ratify or even sign the NPT.[QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="ScreamDream"]
Israel is not the little guy, they have the atomic bomb.
ShadowMoses900
Israel is the victim, it has every right to exist and I am tired of seeing Iran making threats to it. I do not know why people hate it so much, sometimes it makes me wonder if their hate is actually something more sinister.....
Disagreeing with certain things the Israli government does is one thing, I disagreed with them blocking aid ships, however disagreeing with Israel having a right to exist or defend it's self is totally and completely bigoted. Israel should have nukes, in fact they should have more. They are trust worthy and will not attack people with them unlike Iran.
Israel only has nukes for self defense, just like US or UK or any other civilized country. Do you think England or the US should get rid of their nukes? Lol they would be attacked in a second if they did.
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
Israel only has nukes for self defense, just like US or UK or any other civilized country. Do you think England or the US should get rid of their nukes? Lol they would be attacked in a second if they did.
chessmaster1989
That is legitimately one of the stupidest things I have read on this forum. Even in absence of nukes, the United States has by far the most powerful military on the planet. Seriously who do you think will attack us?
People who are not like us: Terrorists, communists, fascists, people without a god or an ethos (nihilists), aliens, robots, and possibly zombies.
Do you think England or the US should get rid of their nukes? Lol they would be attacked in a second if they did.
shadowmosesdudeman
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
With what comparable standing army, son?
And how are they going to get there?
I presume that this is AFTER they cross OUR OCEANS with a combined total of the world's majority of active aircraft carriers and other boats galore???
Israel only has nukes for self defense, just like US or UK or any other civilized country. Do you think England or the US should get rid of their nukes? Lol they would be attacked in a second if they did.
ShadowMoses900
Wat?
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Whilst nuclear deterrence was a big factor (and is still a factor today, though to a lesser extent) there are far more variables than "lolz, I have more nuclear missiles than youz!1!!"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
With what comparable standing army, son?
And how are they going to get there?
I presume that this is AFTER they cross OUR OCEANS with a combined total of the world's majority of active aircraft carriers and other boats galore???
coolbeans90
Learn to quote properly CB :x
[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
With what comparable standing army, son?
And how are they going to get there?
I presume that this is AFTER they cross OUR OCEANS with a combined total of the world's majority of active aircraft carriers and other boats galore???
chessmaster1989
Learn to quote properly CB :x
o dear
wat have i done
edited
please accept my sincerest apologies for my terrible mistake
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