Congressman shouts "Liar" to Pres. Obama during speech to nation

It would seem John McCain insisted Wilson should apologize.

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[QUOTE="its_me_"]

There were people like you, on the other side, saying the exact same thing during Bush's presidency. And yet, most of the people on these forums thought he didn't deserve respect. There is now opposition who believes Obama does not deserve any respect. It's called opposition, and it's the foundation of a republic like ours, so deal with it. A lie is a lie. It doesn't matter who tells it, and it doesn't matter who points it out. Need I remind you, we pay Obama's salary. The president works for me. He works for you. He works for the American people, period. We do not work for him. I don't necessarily think Obama is a liar, but if I do think he is twisting the truth, I will not show deference by giving him a pass. Republicans all around the country have been targeted during speeches in the same way, by Democrats. I have no sympathy for your argument, and I'm not even a Republican.

its_me_

I didn't think that blatant displays of disrespect towards Bush were warranted, either. I consistently refuse to use epithets like "Killary", "Shrub", "N0bama", and "McSame" because I maintain that no matter how much I might disagree with someone, they are still a human being, not just a collection of political positions to oppose. That others have done similar actions does not make it right to do the same now.

I didn't justify or condone what that South Carolina senator did. I pointed out a rampant hypocritical tendency that Obama supporters often display.

At least you acknowledge that you think this behavior is appropriate.

You do realize the United States is a Democratic Republic yes? Do me a favor and call the President and make it like you are his boss and tell him what to do. Let me know how that works for you.

Bush started a war? Incredible how one man took control of Congress.

Theokhoth

Congress has not declared war in over 50 years so your implication is moot.

It would seem John McCain insisted Wilson should apologise.

duxup

It also seems Wilson has apologized.

[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"][QUOTE="distort10n"]

It's because the President is Black. The 'socialist' schitck is cover for all the racists.

distort10n

No. Never. Race or ethnicity never came up during the campaign. I am a registered Republican and I wonder what the hell happened to my party. It is chock full of fundamentalists, racists, bigots, and morons.

Why?

It would seem John McCain insisted Wilson should apologise.

duxup

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Bush started a war? Incredible how one man took control of Congress.

Congress has not declared war in over 50 years so your implication is moot.

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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]Is GW starting to look like the bees' knees yet?avatar_genius

What does that even mean? :?

He meant is Barack Obama starting to make George W Bush look like a good president.

Ah. Well, in that case I can't say I at all think that. :P

mfacek

Bush was captain of the ship. All failures fall on him. Funny how that works.

Somebody throws a shoe at Bush; GS users than make a gif of it.

Somebody yells liar to Obama; GS users get offended.

I see a pattern here.

Even if he was a Congressman, it was just a comment.

battlefront23

Congressmen should be professional and courteous.

Also, the shoe throwing is a piss poor comparison. The shoe was thrown by an Iraqi citizen iirc. Second, Bush was speaking in a foreign land.

Obama, on the other hand, was speaking in front of his peers in his own damn country.

[QUOTE="duxup"]

It would seem John McCain insisted Wilson should apologise.

Sajo7

Lmao, it's all an embarassment. Not just the guy that yelled out "liar," but the other congressmen "OOOOOO"-ing and "AAAAHHHHH"-ing.

Governing bodies all over the world have always been nothing more than a bunch of power-hungry children.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Bush started a war? Incredible how one man took control of Congress.

distort10n

Congress has not declared war in over 50 years so your implication is moot.

We can't authorize any extended "military engagements" without the approval of Congress either.

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[QUOTE="Maniacc1"]

Absolutely dispicable and rude behavior. I cannot even begin to explain how innapropiate shouting the word "liar" to the President of the United States during a joint speech to Congress is. He's already released an "apology" statement. This is getting out of hand. When are people, espcially those we elect to represent our states, going to start showing respect to the President? :roll:

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It was Joe Wilson from South Carolina by the way.

distort10n

There were people like you, on the other side, saying the exact same thing during Bush's presidency. And yet, most of the people on these forums thought he didn't deserve respect. There are now people who believe Obama does not deserve any respect. It's called opposition, and it's the foundation of a republic like ours, so deal with it. A lie is a lie. It doesn't matter who tells it, and it doesn't matter who points it out. Need I remind you, we pay Obama's salary. The president works for me. He works for you. He works for the American people, period. We do not work for him. I don't necessarily think Obama is a liar, but if I do think he is twisting the truth, I will not show deference by giving him a pass. Republicans all around the country have been targeted during speeches in the same way, by Democrats. I have no sympathy for your argument, and I'm not even a Republican.

Funny. Bush starts a war with no conscience to blow up brown people. No one ever had the audacity to stand up during a joint speech and yell "Liar!" or "Murderer!" That would be disrespectful.

Obama wants to overhaul healthcare to help millions of people in this country and yet you have a Republican fool who disrespects the President like a child.

A-MAZING!

A. Bush did not coerce Congress into declaring war. Congress, including almost every Democrat, did that voluntarily.

B. What evidence do you have that Bush is a racist? His Secretary of State was Black. His Attorney General was Hispanic. He campaigned for minority representatives, Democratic and Republican, all over Texas when he was governor.

C. You're making the assumption that Bush necessarily wanted to cause harm, and Obama necessarily wants to help people. You have no facts or specifics about the bill, at all.

Good. Thats what he gets for trying to kill my grandmother.

Congressmen should be professional and courteous.

Also, the shoe throwing is a piss poor comparison. The shoe was thrown by an Iraqi citizen iirc. Second, Bush was speaking in a foreign land.

Obama, on the other hand, was speaking in front of his peers in his own damn country.

mrbojangles25

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[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"]it's 2009...all things aren't about race.....Saturos3091

No. Never. Race or ethnicity never came up during the campaign. I am a registered Republican and I wonder what the hell happened to my party. It is chock full of fundamentalists, racists, bigots, and morons.

Why?

I know that I will be attacked for this but. Why would they treat someone so bad? They never treated Bush so bad and he almost destroyed the country. Sorry OT from now on im playing the race card.MgamerBD

Both Democrats and Republicans voted to go to Iraq. It wasn't an unpopular idea until we realized there were no weapons of mass destruction (and really I am sure there were democratic congressmen who were just as rude to Bush, it just wasnt televised)....Obama's healthcare plan is an extremely polarizing idea. This has nothing to do with race. You have to realize how controversial this plan really is.

well it's been a hootnanny folks...for the Record....YOU'RE ALL LIARS!..... :P goodnight...Omni-Slash

You're a towel.

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distort10n

Bush was captain of the ship. All failures fall on him. Funny how that works.

[QUOTE="battlefront23"]

Somebody throws a shoe at Bush; GS users than make a gif of it.

Somebody yells liar to Obama; GS users get offended.

I see a pattern here.

Even if he was a Congressman, it was just a comment.

mrbojangles25

Congressmen should be professional and courteous.

Also, the shoe throwing is a piss poor comparison. The shoe was thrown by an Iraqi citizen iirc. Second, Bush was speaking in a foreign land.

Obama, on the other hand, was speaking in front of his peers in his own damn country.

Yeah, and at least the footage of the shoe throwing was good material for some awesome gifs such as:

I doubt we can get anything as good from the Obama "Liar!" footage. But in a seriousness, it was unprofessional for the congressman to yell something like that out, just like it was unprofessional for that reporter to throw his shoes at Bush.

When you're the captain of the ship, and you have navigators, naval experts, other captains, etc. all yelling "DON'T GO LEFT", and you decided to take your ship and head left, I would certainly say it's his fault. Now, is it all Bush's fault? Of course not. However, we can't just forget that his administration was responsible for the war's planning and execution, both of which were disasters.mfacek

Except, in our government system, if the navigators, naval experts, other captains, etc. are all yelling "DON'T GO LEFT!" the captain actually can't go left. It's not a system where the President makes everybody's decisions. It's a joint effort.

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]Congressmen should be professional and courteous.

Also, the shoe throwing is a piss poor comparison. The shoe was thrown by an Iraqi citizen iirc. Second, Bush was speaking in a foreign land.

Obama, on the other hand, was speaking in front of his peers in his own damn country.

battlefront23

there is a fine line between being honest

and being a jerk

the congressmen could have said what he said a million different ways. But no...he had to yell out "liar" in front of everyone.

Oh well, at least he will pay the price.

[QUOTE="mfacek"]When you're the captain of the ship, and you have navigators, naval experts, other captains, etc. all yelling "DON'T GO LEFT", and you decided to take your ship and head left, I would certainly say it's his fault. Now, is it all Bush's fault? Of course not. However, we can't just forget that his administration was responsible for the war's planning and execution, both of which were disasters.Theokhoth

Except, in our government system, if the navigators, naval experts, other captains, etc. are all yelling "DON'T GO LEFT!" the captain actually can't go left. It's not a system where the President makes everybody's decisions. It's a joint effort.

Funny. I enjoy it when politics get politically incorrect. That's why I sometimes watch the Canadian government bicker.

Nifty_Shark

Lol, so true. Come to Canada and watch our broadcasts, there is sooo much booing, yelling and joking its quite laughable although very childish.

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]I know that I will be attacked for this but. Why would they treat someone so bad? They never treated Bush so bad and he almost destroyed the country. Sorry OT from now on im playing the race card.Lindsosaurus

Both Democrats and Republicans voted to go to Iraq. It wasn't an unpopular idea until we realized there were no weapons of mass destruction (and really I am sure there were democratic congressmen who were just as rude to Bush, it just wasnt televised)....Obama's healthcare plan is an extremely polarizing idea. This has nothing to do with race. You have to realize how controversial this plan really is.

I thought it was a pretty raccous speech overall considering almost everyone in attendance was a politician. Even with Bush I remember silence and a refusal to applaud, but I've never before seen an address to congress with such jeering. I also thought it was pretty funny how just about every Republican gave a standing ovation to malpractice reform but didn't do so for even the issues which were thought to be bi-partisan and not championed by any specific party. And then there was the dunce who gave the Republican reply. Obama comes out in support of ideas like malpractice reform and interstate insurance markets and the first words out of this guy's mouth are, "The President said he doesn't support malpractice reform and interstate insurance markets." Way to show that you're paying attention to this whole debate.

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]I know that I will be attacked for this but. Why would they treat someone so bad? They never treated Bush so bad and he almost destroyed the country. Sorry OT from now on im playing the race card.Lindsosaurus

Both Democrats and Republicans voted to go to Iraq. It wasn't an unpopular idea until we realized there were no weapons of mass destruction (and really I am sure there were democratic congressmen who were just as rude to Bush, it just wasnt televised)....Obama's healthcare plan is an extremely polarizing idea. This has nothing to do with race. You have to realize how controversial this plan really is.

Actually there were weapons of mass destruction. There were 3 megaton nuclear bombs, and I saw them with my own eyes when I was deployed to Iraq with an ST unit in 2005. Unfortunately, only 4 and 5 megaton nuclear bombs count technically as 'weapons of mass destruction.' So, rather than reporting what I've just told you, MSNBC, NBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, and the rest of the anti-conservative news outlets reported that we found none, and then called Bush a liar. They obviously succeeded in convincing a lot of people.

[QUOTE="Saturos3091"][QUOTE="distort10n"]

No. Never. Race or ethnicity never came up during the campaign. I am a registered Republican and I wonder what the hell happened to my party. It is chock full of fundamentalists, racists, bigots, and morons.

Why?

mfacek

Sorry, you're wrong. The outcry against his policies has NOTHING to do with his race or his father. Maybe that was not clear for you. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS HERITAGE. If there is one thing I can not stand about America it is that everything is turned into a racial war the second someone gets the chance. Seriously, lets stop this crap.

[QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]I know that I will be attacked for this but. Why would they treat someone so bad? They never treated Bush so bad and he almost destroyed the country. Sorry OT from now on im playing the race card.MgamerBD

Both Democrats and Republicans voted to go to Iraq. It wasn't an unpopular idea until we realized there were no weapons of mass destruction (and really I am sure there were democratic congressmen who were just as rude to Bush, it just wasnt televised)....Obama's healthcare plan is an extremely polarizing idea. This has nothing to do with race. You have to realize how controversial this plan really is.

The antichrist thing is ridiculous. The other two are perfectly legitimate. I'm not sure you grasp the concept of "liberty."

[QUOTE="mfacek"]When you're the captain of the ship, and you have navigators, naval experts, other captains, etc. all yelling "DON'T GO LEFT", and you decided to take your ship and head left, I would certainly say it's his fault. Now, is it all Bush's fault? Of course not. However, we can't just forget that his administration was responsible for the war's planning and execution, both of which were disasters.Theokhoth

Except, in our government system, if the navigators, naval experts, other captains, etc. are all yelling "DON'T GO LEFT!" the captain actually can't go left. It's not a system where the President makes everybody's decisions. It's a joint effort.

I know that I will be attacked for this but. Why would they treat someone so bad? They never treated Bush so bad and he almost destroyed the country. Sorry OT from now on im playing the race card.MgamerBD

Actually there were weapons of mass destruction. There were 3 megaton nuclear bombs, and I saw them with my own eyes when I was deployed to Iraq with an ST unit in 2005. Unfortunately, only 4 and 5 megaton nuclear bombs count technically as 'weapons of mass destruction.' So, rather than reporting what I've just told you, MSNBC, NBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, and the rest of the anti-conservative news outlets reported that we found none, and then called Bush a liar. They obviously succeeded in convincing a lot of people.

its_me_

To be fair, you can add fox news to that list, because that's where I heard it from. Regardless, my point still stands. It was a bipartisan decision and the controversy didn't come until after it was reported that they didn't "technically" have weapons of mass destruction.

Anyways, on a side note, thank you for your service to our country. :)

Somebody throws a shoe at Bush; GS users than make a gif of it.

Somebody yells liar to Obama; GS users get offended.

I see a pattern here.

Even if he was a Congressman, it was just a comment.

battlefront23

The person throwing the shoe was neither an American, on American soil, and certainlynot an elected government official.

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"][QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]

Both Democrats and Republicans voted to go to Iraq. It wasn't an unpopular idea until we realized there were no weapons of mass destruction (and really I am sure there were democratic congressmen who were just as rude to Bush, it just wasnt televised)....Obama's healthcare plan is an extremely polarizing idea. This has nothing to do with race. You have to realize how controversial this plan really is.

its_me_

The antichrist thing is ridiculous. The other two are perfectly legitimate. I'm not sure you grasp the concept of "liberty."

I'm not sure you grasp the concept of socialism, if you think Obama's a socialist.

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]I know that I will be attacked for this but. Why would they treat someone so bad? They never treated Bush so bad and he almost destroyed the country. Sorry OT from now on im playing the race card.Lindsosaurus

Both Democrats and Republicans voted to go to Iraq. It wasn't an unpopular idea until we realized there were no weapons of mass destruction (and really I am sure there were democratic congressmen who were just as rude to Bush, it just wasnt televised)....Obama's healthcare plan is an extremely polarizing idea. This has nothing to do with race. You have to realize how controversial this plan really is.

I know firsthand that when we first went to Iraq there was probably just as much civilian outrage against the decision then as there is against a public option now, only the Iraq protestors weren't thrust into the spotlight by news corporations like the health care ones have been. Also, there was a LOT of outrage directed towards Bush not about the decision to go to war but how to pay for it. Politicians on both sides of the aisle spoke out about the cost, but again I don't remember any of them heckling him about it during a session of congress.

As for being rude, like I said I have never before seen a President get this kind of reception from congress duringa public address. Dems may have hated Bush, but at least we were civil about it.

Controversial is a funny term. It's very subjective and right now you're basically using it to fit your own definitions of certain events. Is health care any more controversial than going to war? No, in fact I think a pretty strong argument can be made that the latter is a more radical decision.

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"][QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]

Both Democrats and Republicans voted to go to Iraq. It wasn't an unpopular idea until we realized there were no weapons of mass destruction (and really I am sure there were democratic congressmen who were just as rude to Bush, it just wasnt televised)....Obama's healthcare plan is an extremely polarizing idea. This has nothing to do with race. You have to realize how controversial this plan really is.

The antichrist thing is ridiculous. The other two are perfectly legitimate. I'm not sure you grasp the concept of "liberty."

[QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]I know that I will be attacked for this but. Why would they treat someone so bad? They never treated Bush so bad and he almost destroyed the country. Sorry OT from now on im playing the race card.its_me_

Both Democrats and Republicans voted to go to Iraq. It wasn't an unpopular idea until we realized there were no weapons of mass destruction (and really I am sure there were democratic congressmen who were just as rude to Bush, it just wasnt televised)....Obama's healthcare plan is an extremely polarizing idea. This has nothing to do with race. You have to realize how controversial this plan really is.

Actually there were weapons of mass destruction. There were 3 megaton nuclear bombs, and I saw them with my own eyes when I was deployed to Iraq with an ST unit in 2005. Unfortunately, only 4 and 5 megaton nuclear bombs count technically as 'weapons of mass destruction.' So, rather than reporting what I've just told you, MSNBC, NBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, and the rest of the anti-conservative news outlets reported that we found none, and then called Bush a liar. They obviously succeeded in convincing a lot of people.

This was a global televised event. Have you guys thought about the possible ramifications of this speech / healthcare drama (not just the liar part, but the booos and ooohs and ahhhs)? Beijing, Tokyo, and Moscow for example could start losing even more confidence in our gov and the USD if our leaders and people appear to be divided and confused with itself. This gradual build up of disbelief towards the U.S. could start having seriously negative political, economic and militaristic consequences. Btw, if I was Pudin or Medvedev I would have lol'd a little bit. It would have been like:"Oh, you silly Americans make me:lol: sometimes......" :P

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Actually there were weapons of mass destruction. There were 3 megaton nuclear bombs, and I saw them with my own eyes when I was deployed to Iraq with an ST unit in 2005. Unfortunately, only 4 and 5 megaton nuclear bombs count technically as 'weapons of mass destruction.' So, rather than reporting what I've just told you, MSNBC, NBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, and the rest of the anti-conservative news outlets reported that we found none, and then called Bush a liar. They obviously succeeded in convincing a lot of people.

Lindsosaurus

To be fair, you can add fox news to that list, because that's where I heard it from. Regardless, my point still stands. It was a bipartisan decision and the controversy didn't come until after it was reported that they didn't "technically" have weapons of mass destruction.

Anyways, on a side note, thank you for your service to our country. :)

Yes, Fox effed that one up as well. Although, they did allow people on to argue both sides, which the others specifically did not. And, you're welcome.

[QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]I know that I will be attacked for this but. Why would they treat someone so bad? They never treated Bush so bad and he almost destroyed the country. Sorry OT from now on im playing the race card.its_me_

Both Democrats and Republicans voted to go to Iraq. It wasn't an unpopular idea until we realized there were no weapons of mass destruction (and really I am sure there were democratic congressmen who were just as rude to Bush, it just wasnt televised)....Obama's healthcare plan is an extremely polarizing idea. This has nothing to do with race. You have to realize how controversial this plan really is.

Actually there were weapons of mass destruction. There were 3 megaton nuclear bombs, and I saw them with my own eyes when I was deployed to Iraq with an ST unit in 2005. Unfortunately, only 4 and 5 megaton nuclear bombs count technically as 'weapons of mass destruction.' So, rather than reporting what I've just told you, MSNBC, NBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, and the rest of the anti-conservative news outlets reported that we found none, and then called Bush a liar. They obviously succeeded in convincing a lot of people.

[QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]I know that I will be attacked for this but. Why would they treat someone so bad? They never treated Bush so bad and he almost destroyed the country. Sorry OT from now on im playing the race card.its_me_

Both Democrats and Republicans voted to go to Iraq. It wasn't an unpopular idea until we realized there were no weapons of mass destruction (and really I am sure there were democratic congressmen who were just as rude to Bush, it just wasnt televised)....Obama's healthcare plan is an extremely polarizing idea. This has nothing to do with race. You have to realize how controversial this plan really is.

Actually there were weapons of mass destruction. There were 3 megaton nuclear bombs, and I saw them with my own eyes when I was deployed to Iraq with an ST unit in 2005. Unfortunately, only 4 and 5 megaton nuclear bombs count technically as 'weapons of mass destruction.' So, rather than reporting what I've just told you, MSNBC, NBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, and the rest of the anti-conservative news outlets reported that we found none, and then called Bush a liar. They obviously succeeded in convincing a lot of people.

Wow... yeah I sure believe you... :roll: