Congressman shouts "Liar" to Pres. Obama during speech to nation

[QUOTE="jer_1"]I wouldn't call them the socialist party so much as I would acknowledge that there are a few socialist elements within the ranks. There are just a lot of people who feel they need to suck the teet of big mama government... :lol:Vandalvideo

I wouldn't doubt you are right. You seem to be pointing me out as a conservative though. :lol:

Yeah, thats something I am definitely not! I would throw conservatives under the bus just as quickly as I would throw a liberal under a bus, guy.

A constitutionalistis what I consider myself, nothing more nothing less. Definitely not a republicrat and definitely not a demopublican.

Now if this was a Bush speech (not that it would be any less true), would anyone have really cared? You people play the left-right paradigm like a ****ing piano.

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="Unassigned"] He shouted the right word at the wrong time, the apology was needed.MarcusAntonius

Perhaps you missed my post. Liar? Perhaps not. Mistaken and ambiguous, certainly.

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=27032807&page=21

After seeing how people are reacting to the health reform, acting like children, yelling and screamin... Its apparent that people are stupid...

This makes me lose faith in, not only republicans, but humanity as a whole...

[QUOTE="MarcusAntonius"]

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] SEC. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS. Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States. Where's the lie in what Obama was saying that the reform doesn't cover illegal immigrants?nocoolnamejim

Perhaps you missed my post. Liar? Perhaps not. Mistaken and ambiguous, certainly.

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=27032807&page=21

You're reading something that isn't there, Jim. I'm looking at the report from CRS, not a glorifed blog like Think Progress (poor form there by the way). Clearly there is a window there that needs to be closed for Obama's claim to be accurate. I'll just leave it at that. The report speaks for itself.

You're reading something that isn't there, Jim. I'm looking at the report from CRS, not a glorifed blog like Think Progress (poor form there by the way). Clearly there is a window there that needs to be closed for Obama's claim to be accurate. I'll just leave it at that. The report speaks for itself.

MarcusAntonius

I've seen a bit of booing and so forth but yeah that seems a step over the line. duxup

[QUOTE="MarcusAntonius"]

You're reading something that isn't there, Jim. I'm looking at the report from CRS, not a glorifed blog like Think Progress (poor form there by the way). Clearly there is a window there that needs to be closed for Obama's claim to be accurate. I'll just leave it at that. The report speaks for itself.

nocoolnamejim

Page 143 of the bill in question. SEC. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS. Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States. HR 3200

[QUOTE="jer_1"]I wouldn't call them the socialist party so much as I would acknowledge that there are a few socialist elements within the ranks. There are just a lot of people who feel they need to suck the teet of big mama government... :lol:Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="MarcusAntonius"]

You're reading something that isn't there, Jim. I'm looking at the report from CRS, not a glorifed blog like Think Progress (poor form there by the way). Clearly there is a window there that needs to be closed for Obama's claim to be accurate. I'll just leave it at that. The report speaks for itself.

nocoolnamejim

Page 143 of the bill in question. SEC. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS. Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States. HR 3200

For the record, PolitiFact's Truth-o-Meter has examined this question and has rated Wilson's claim false, saying exactly what Jim is saying: they could get insurance, but only by paying full price for it, which seems to me something that is hardly objectionable - there's no leeching going on there.

[QUOTE="duxup"]I've seen a bit of booing and so forth but yeah that seems a step over the line. fillini

Considering McCain's response and Wilson's apology it would seem even he knew he was out of line.

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="MarcusAntonius"]

You're reading something that isn't there, Jim. I'm looking at the report from CRS, not a glorifed blog like Think Progress (poor form there by the way). Clearly there is a window there that needs to be closed for Obama's claim to be accurate. I'll just leave it at that. The report speaks for itself.

GabuEx

Page 143 of the bill in question. SEC. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS. Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States. HR 3200

For the record, PolitiFact's Truth-o-Meter has examined this question and has rated Wilson's claim false, saying exactly what Jim is saying: they could get insurance, but only by paying full price for it, which seems to me something that is hardly objectionable.

>For the record, PolitiFact's Truth-o-Meter has examined this question and has rated Wilson's claim false, saying exactly what Jim is saying: they could get insurance, but only by paying full price for it, which seems to me something that is hardly objectionable.

GabuEx

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]>For the record, PolitiFact's Truth-o-Meter has examined this question and has rated Wilson's claim false, saying exactly what Jim is saying: they could get insurance, but only by paying full price for it, which seems to me something that is hardly objectionable.

duxup

Liar! OOOooo Nobody believes me....

[QUOTE="duxup"]

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]>For the record, PolitiFact's Truth-o-Meter has examined this question and has rated Wilson's claim false, saying exactly what Jim is saying: they could get insurance, but only by paying full price for it, which seems to me something that is hardly objectionable.

fillini

[QUOTE="duxup"]

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]>For the record, PolitiFact's Truth-o-Meter has examined this question and has rated Wilson's claim false, saying exactly what Jim is saying: they could get insurance, but only by paying full price for it, which seems to me something that is hardly objectionable.

fillini

[QUOTE="duxup"]

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]>For the record, PolitiFact's Truth-o-Meter has examined this question and has rated Wilson's claim false, saying exactly what Jim is saying: they could get insurance, but only by paying full price for it, which seems to me something that is hardly objectionable.

fillini

[QUOTE="fillini"]

[QUOTE="duxup"] How dare they pay into the health care system with their money!

Ace_WondersX

And if your going to let immigrants purchase their Health Care with tax free money why not let the actually citizens of that country do so also??????

[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"][QUOTE="fillini"] But wouldn't some of that money be money they shoulda pay taxes on. So its our tax money their are using to buy themselves insurance in our government run system. still doesn't seem right to me.

fillini

And if your going to let immigrants purchase their Health Care with tax free money why not let the actually citizens of that country do so also??????

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=881584

At least he didn't throw a shoe at him. :P

[QUOTE="fillini"]

[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"] Let me see what you're trying to say... They don't pay income tax so we shouldn't allow them to buy health insurance? But then we should allow them to buy anything here, which would definitely not help the economy.-Sun_Tzu-

And if your going to let immigrants purchase their Health Care with tax free money why not let the actually citizens of that country do so also??????

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=881584

That was completely uncalled for and was grade school politics. There is no excuse for that kind of behavior. His own party should censure him.

that's very immature of a congressman (well for anyone for that matter). when i become a congressman i can assure you i will never do something like that. mark my words

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="MarcusAntonius"]

You're reading something that isn't there, Jim. I'm looking at the report from CRS, not a glorifed blog like Think Progress (poor form there by the way). Clearly there is a window there that needs to be closed for Obama's claim to be accurate. I'll just leave it at that. The report speaks for itself.

GabuEx

Page 143 of the bill in question. SEC. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS. Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States. HR 3200

For the record, PolitiFact's Truth-o-Meter has examined this question and has rated Wilson's claim false, saying exactly what Jim is saying: they could get insurance, but only by paying full price for it, which seems to me something that is hardly objectionable - there's no leeching going on there.

According to CRS: "There could be instances where some family members would meet the definition of an eligible individual for purposes of the credit, while other family members would not. For example, in a family consisting of a U.S. citizen married to an unauthorized alien and a U.S. citizen child, the U.S. citizen spouse and child could meet the criteria for being a credit-eligible individual, while the unauthorized alien spouse would not meet the criteria. H.R. 3200 does not expressly address how such a situation would be treated. Therefore, it appears that the Health Choices Commissioner would be responsible for determining how the credits would be administered in the case of mixed-status families."

What part of this are people not understanding? Oh yeah, back in July a congressman attempted to add checks to the program by implementing SAVE, which would have prevented illegals from receiving affordability credits which was defeated by the House Ways and Means Committee. Dubious, indeed. H.R. 3200 is rife with loopholes waiting to be exploited.

The bill is needlessly complex and with the way that its being rushed are causes for alarm.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="fillini"]Nope not what I said. He said "with THEIR money". so i was just stating that it their tax FREE money that the illegally worked here for thats all.

And if your going to let immigrants purchase their Health Care with tax free money why not let the actually citizens of that country do so also??????

fillini

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=881584

Well, I linked just the abstract, but if you want to read the entire 58 page analysis, footnotes and all, be my guest.

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/llr/vol9/lipman.pdf

Also, a side note, I wouldn't base sweeping generalization off of anecdotal evidence.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="fillini"]Nope not what I said. He said "with THEIR money". so i was just stating that it their tax FREE money that the illegally worked here for thats all.

And if your going to let immigrants purchase their Health Care with tax free money why not let the actually citizens of that country do so also??????

fillini

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=881584

Like the tax code could actually be enforced on illegals.:lol: What nonsense.

Oh, please. That's no worse than some of the crap you see on television with foreign parliaments and congresses actually duking it out over a piece of legislature. If I remember correctly, there was a clip on a show off of TruTV where parliament in South Korea actually did erupt into a melee free-for-all. The beauty of it is that we laugh at other countries when this happens, but when someone shouts something over here, we react as though they're the harbingers of plague.

Oh, please. That's no worse than some of the crap you see on television with foreign parliaments and congresses actually duking it out over a piece of legislature. If I remember correctly, there was a clip on a show off of TruTV where parliament in South Korea actually did erupt into a melee free-for-all. The beauty of it is that we laugh at other countries when this happens, but when someone shouts something over here, we react as though they're the harbingers of plague.

tycoonmike

The phony outrage is crystal clear here. Nothing this Congressman did is unprecedented. That's likely why this non-story is already dying out, as it should.

Oh, please. That's no worse than some of the crap you see on television with foreign parliaments and congresses actually duking it out over a piece of legislature. If I remember correctly, there was a clip on a show off of TruTV where parliament in South Korea actually did erupt into a melee free-for-all. The beauty of it is that we laugh at other countries when this happens, but when someone shouts something over here, we react as though they're the harbingers of plague.

tycoonmike

Oh, please. That's no worse than some of the crap you see on television with foreign parliaments and congresses actually duking it out over a piece of legislature. If I remember correctly, there was a clip on a show off of TruTV where parliament in South Korea actually did erupt into a melee free-for-all. The beauty of it is that we laugh at other countries when this happens, but when someone shouts something over here, we react as though they're the harbingers of plague.

tycoonmike

According to CRS: "There could be instances where some family members would meet the definition of an eligible individual for purposes of the credit, while other family members would not. For example, in a family consisting of a U.S. citizen married to an unauthorized alien and a U.S. citizen child, the U.S. citizen spouse and child could meet the criteria for being a credit-eligible individual, while the unauthorized alien spouse would not meet the criteria. H.R. 3200 does not expressly address how such a situation would be treated. Therefore, it appears that the Health Choices Commissioner would be responsible for determining how the credits would be administered in the case of mixed-status families."

What part of this are people not understanding? Oh yeah, back in July a congressman attempted to add checks to the program by implementing SAVE, which would have prevented illegals from receiving affordability credits which was defeated by the House Ways and Means Committee. Dubious, indeed. H.R. 3200 is rife with loopholes waiting to be exploited.

The bill is needlessly complex and with the way that its being rushed are causes for alarm.

MarcusAntonius

[QUOTE="tycoonmike"]

Oh, please. That's no worse than some of the crap you see on television with foreign parliaments and congresses actually duking it out over a piece of legislature. If I remember correctly, there was a clip on a show off of TruTV where parliament in South Korea actually did erupt into a melee free-for-all. The beauty of it is that we laugh at other countries when this happens, but when someone shouts something over here, we react as though they're the harbingers of plague.

duxup

So then you're saying we're justified in laughing at the antics of other parliaments, calling them rowdy and disorderly, and when one of our representatives yells one phrase at our prewsident it's unacceptable? I'm sorry, but that reeks of a double standard.

[QUOTE="fillini"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] ...they...pay...taxes

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=881584

MarcusAntonius

Like the tax code could actually be enforced on illegals.:lol: What nonsense.

[QUOTE="fillini"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] ...they...pay...taxes

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=881584

MarcusAntonius

Like the tax code could actually be enforced on illegals.:lol: What nonsense.

He made a fool of himself, but I am glad to see a congressman shout how he feels to the president. Also atleast he didn't throw a shoe.

He made a fool of himself, but I am glad to see a congressman shout how he feels to the president. Also atleast he didn't throw a shoe.

Mercenary848

[QUOTE="Mercenary848"]

He made a fool of himself, but I am glad to see a congressman shout how he feels to the president. Also atleast he didn't throw a shoe.

nocoolnamejim

Agreed. That makes a big difference. Not to mention that the the rules of congress explicitly state that they cannot call the President a liar.

[QUOTE="MarcusAntonius"]

[QUOTE="fillini"] Read it. I actually agree with a some of the assertions she tries to make. Couldn't access the footnotes, so its sounds like a blog from a lawyer in San Francisco to me. So I have to disagree, all my personal experience and financial reading state other wise, concerning the economic impact of illegals. out of the 12 illegals I know personally NONE have ever paid their taxes. i have asked them if any of their people pay taxes and the say very few. they said ones that do are the families that hae lived her for years. These guys don't do anything period. they may go out every once in a while but there are like 8 or ten guys sharing a 19inch tv in a two or 3 bedroom apartment.

nocoolnamejim

Like the tax code could actually be enforced on illegals.:lol: What nonsense.

No, I read it. There is no way that any of the numbers can be substantiated without IRS records, NONE. I read that paper, "hundreds of thousands going out of their way to file" in the face of 20-30 million illegals isn't what I would call illegals paying taxes, oustide of sales tax.

[QUOTE="fillini"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] ...they...pay...taxes

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=881584

-Sun_Tzu-

Well, I linked just the abstract, but if you want to read the entire 58 page analysis, footnotes and all, be my guest.

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/llr/vol9/lipman.pdf

Also, a side note, I wouldn't base sweeping generalization off of anecdotal evidence.

Is that like your assertion two weeks about how Social Security is just fine; and then Washington announced the next week no COLA for the next two years. Yeah one of their excuses was the seniors got the stimulus money. $250.

And yes I'll read ALL 58 pages.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="MarcusAntonius"]

Like the tax code could actually be enforced on illegals.:lol: What nonsense.

MarcusAntonius

I think you mistake me for some partisan. No, I mock the premise. We can't enforce our immigration law, but we can enforce our tax code? I'm supposed to buy into it because a Harvard grad student says so?

I feel so proud to be a South Carolinian... why didn't I move to Denver... or Hershey... when I had the chance?

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="Mercenary848"]

He made a fool of himself, but I am glad to see a congressman shout how he feels to the president. Also atleast he didn't throw a shoe.

Lindsosaurus

Agreed. That makes a big difference. Not to mention that the the rules of congress explicitly state that they cannot call the President a liar.