[QUOTE="dog64"][QUOTE="michelle341"]

I dont think the questions you made are that fair though...according to those standarts everyone is a bad person...I mean everyone lies in some point of thier life...everyone is jealus sometimes or at some point of thier life met someone they dont like...it's not a sin..it's being human..also I dont think that stealing a candy when I was in the third grade makes me a bad person..I consider myself to be a good person actualy but these questions just make me (and everyone here) look bad.

blackregiment

I think that's the whole idea. Blackregiment and the OP believe that if you do not accept Jesus as lord and follow his commands, that makes you a bad person in god's eyes and, therefore, you will be going to hell.

It is not about what anyone thinks, it is about what God has revealed. He tells us that we are all fallen sinners separated from Him. No one is good. There is nothing we can do to reconcile ourselves to Him. Tht is why Christ suffered nd died, so that those that repent and put their faith and trust in Him, are reunited in fellowship with Him, our sins covered by the blood of Christ.   

So, again, you're saying that anyone who says yes to any one question posed here is as bad in gods eyes as a person who commits murder (They'll both get the same punishment, so they're equal). 

Your point, which is the point in all the threads you and Crushmaster make, is that everyone should come to you and accept your beliefs of the bible and your views on religion. You believe only in your version of the bible, and you believe your one religion is truth and the rest of the world is wrong (which is basically every religion). Is this what Jesus taught, or did he teach to love and respect everyone and hate the sin, not the sinner?

For example, pasta tastes delicious, this is a universal truthsubrosian

There is no denying the awesomeness that is pasta.

Yes to all of those.

:). 

After you answer that question, I ask that you would please answer these questions: Have you ever told a lie? Have you ever stolen anything? Have you ever looked with lust? Have you ever hated anyone? Have you ever used God's name in vain? Like as a swear word? After you answer these, I'll quote you and ask you a few more. I'll answer them along with you guys. God bless, Crushmaster.Crushmaster

So I didn't read all 91 pages. What was the purpose of this thread? Because everyone has commited every single one of those at one time or another.howlrunner13

To be told that we're all terrible people who are inevitably damned for eternity unless we convert our belief system to the one and only "true" one that will lead to our salvation. That's pretty much the gist of it. You needn't read all 91 pages, just the first few, all the others are just reiterations of what has been said previous.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"][QUOTE="dog64"]

 

I think that's the whole idea. Blackregiment and the OP believe that if you do not accept Jesus as lord and follow his commands, that makes you a bad person in god's eyes and, therefore, you will be going to hell.

dog64

It is not about what anyone thinks, it is about what God has revealed. He tells us that we are all fallen sinners separated from Him. No one is good. There is nothing we can do to reconcile ourselves to Him. Tht is why Christ suffered nd died, so that those that repent and put their faith and trust in Him, are reunited in fellowship with Him, our sins covered by the blood of Christ.   

So, again, you're saying that anyone who says yes to any one question posed here is as bad in gods eyes as a person who commits murder (They'll both get the same punishment, so they're equal). 

Your point, which is the point in all the threads you and Crushmaster make, is that everyone should come to you and accept your beliefs of the bible and your views on religion. You believe only in your version of the bible, and you believe your one religion is truth and the rest of the world is wrong (which is basically every religion). Is this what Jesus taught, or did he teach to love and respect everyone and hate the sin, not the sinner?

In answer to your first question sin is sin. We don't know if there will be different levels of punishment in eternity for different kinds of sin. God has told us in His Word and according to His standards of righteousness, we are all sinners. You can believe God or choose to believe He is a liar. that is your choice.  

In regards to your second point, it is not about our beliefs. It is about God's Word. It is not about coming to us, it is about coming to Christ. Christ says that He is the only way to the father. You can believe Him or believe that he is a lair. 

You mention "versions" of the Bible. That is a red herring. There are different translations of the Christian Biblical manuscripts however, they do not teach different truths. They teach that salvation is through God's grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone. There are some cults that have modified the Bible to support their beliefs but Biblical Christian Bibles are consistent with over 25,000 manuscripts and early Biblical texts as well as over 86,000 writings of he early Church leaders.

You mention other religions and asked what Jesus taught. He taught that salvation was only through Him. He and we do love sinners and true Christian love is sharing the truth of salvation in Christ with them. You seem to have a misconception of what Christian love is.I suppose that if you had a friend and you knew that there was something that was going to cause him pain and suffering, you would consider it unloving to warn him and loving to remain silent and just let harm befall him. The Bible does say that in latter times good will be called evil and evil called good. we can observe that happening all around us in the culture today, especially in the increasing intolerance and attacks on Christians that are trying to share the Gospel in love. 

Jesus said.

Joh 14:6  Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

1Jn 5:11  And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
1Jn 5:12  He that hath the Son hath life: and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
1Jn 5:13  These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Joh 3:16  ForGodsolovedtheworld,thathegavehisonly begottenSon,thatwhosoeverbelievethinhimshouldnotperish,buthaveeverlastinglife.

Joh 3:17  ForGodsentnothisSonintotheworldtocondemntheworld;butthattheworldthroughhimmightbesaved.

Joh 3:18  He that believethonhimisnotcondemned:buthe that believethnotiscondemnedalready,becausehehathnotbelievedinthenameoftheonly begottenSonofGod.

You can believe Him, or believe He is a liar. God gives you a free will to do either.

 

[QUOTE="howlrunner13"]So I didn't read all 91 pages. What was the purpose of this thread? Because everyone has commited every single one of those at one time or another.Rekunta

To be told that we're all terrible people who are inevitably damned for eternity unless we convert our belief system to the one and only "true" one that will lead to our salvation. That's pretty much the gist of it. You needn't read all 91 pages, just the first few, all the others are just reiterations of what has been said previous.

No one is telling anyone that they are "terrible people" and you know that. We are all sinners in God's eyes. None of us, Christians included, can meet God's standards of righteousness on our own. God has provided a path in Christ, for those that repent and place their faith and trust in Him,  that will free us from paying the price we deserve to pay for our sins, a path to be counted righteous in God's eyes, a path to eternal life.

Yes, we big bad Christians are so "terrible" for caring about people's eternal destiny and daring to share this Good News with others in love. How atrocious! We just "twist your arm" and "force" you to visit our threads and read our posts. We hold you down, then tie you up "over the internet" and "shove" the Gospel of salvation down people's thoats. Wow man there is just nothing worse in the world!

Well guess what, better some gnashing of teeth now, rather than later, when it is too late to do anything about our eternal destiny. .

[QUOTE="Rekunta"]

[QUOTE="howlrunner13"]So I didn't read all 91 pages. What was the purpose of this thread? Because everyone has commited every single one of those at one time or another.blackregiment

To be told that we're all terrible people who are inevitably damned for eternity unless we convert our belief system to the one and only "true" one that will lead to our salvation. That's pretty much the gist of it. You needn't read all 91 pages, just the first few, all the others are just reiterations of what has been said previous.

No one is telling anyone that they are "terrible people" and you know that. We are all sinners in God's eyes. None of us, Christians included, can meet God's standards of righteousness on our own. God has provided a path in Christ, for those that repent and place their faith and trust in Him, that will free us from paying the price we deserve to pay for our sins, a path to be counted righteous in God's eyes, a path to eternal life.

Yes, we big bad Christians are so "terrible" for caring about people's eternal destiny and daring to share this Good News with others in love. How atrocious! We just "twist your arm" and "force" you to visit our threads and read our posts. We hold you down, then tie you up "over the internet" and "shove" the Gospel of salvation down people's thoats. Wow man there is just nothing worse in the world!

Well guess what, better some gnashing of teeth now, rather than later, when it is too late to do anything about our eternal destiny. .

Luk 13:28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth; when you shall see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God: and you yourselves thrust out.

Did I ask for your, or any other Christians' caring? No. Thanks, but no thanks. I will follow what I believe to be correct, and if damnation is my eternal destiny for following that belief (as you see it), then so be it. Freewill, as you put it, is a beautiful thing, isn't it? We most definitely will see who is right someday.

I noticed how you ignore the eyewitness testimony of the Apostles that were willing to die rather than recant their faith because they experienced Jesus and the events surrounding His life, death, and resurrection. Show me your evidence, your historical record of eyewitness testimony that Jesus did not rise from the dead and that the Apostles were lying. Since you like Scientology so much, show me their ancient texts and eyewitness testimony that Ron Hubbard arose from the dead.blackregiment

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What "eyewitness testimony"? If you'd like to show me a living person who watched Jesus rise from the dead, feel free to bring them out. You don't have eyewitness testimony, what you have are biblical accounts written decades, if not centuries later. The biblical accounts are believed by many to have been written based off of the teachings of the cult that arose around Jesus.

As far as actual historical evidence, Roman scholars mention decades later there was a man named Jesus, and that he was crucified. The historian Josephus, who was born four years after Jesus' death, wrote about the "Jesus-so-called-Christ", discussed the controversy surrounding the claims of Jesus being the Messiah, and noted that Jesus had a brother named James.

So, a man named Jesus existed (as I said before ) however that's it. No Jesus was God, no proof of the resurrection, no proof that he was anything besides a self-proclaimed prophet.

So you've got nothing. Outside of the bible there is absolutely no evidence that Jesus of Nazareth was God. We can't even prove the resurrection happened. We have a text that *claims* people saw the risen Christ. We also have tabloid newspapers that claim Elvis is still alive.

Thirty years after the death of Elvis, a man we have photographs of at the morgue, there are people who believe he still alive, and believe we have seen him. Does their "eyewitness testimony" count?

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To make matters worse, Jesus wasn't the only person with that same amount of evidence. There was a man in the same era by the name of Apollonius of Tyana who had the same claims. He could see and walk through solid objects, heal the sick, died, and appeared before his followers after his death before ascending to heaven. Sounds familiar? But remember, this isn't Jesus of Nazareth, this is Apollonius of Tyana.

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As far as people being willing to die for those claims, what does that prove? In 1996 an amateur astronomer name Chuck Shramek took a picture of the comet Hale-Bopp in which an elongated object could be seen in the tail of the comet. Believing the object to be a UFO, the group Heaven's Gate believed that the earth was to be "recycled", and preaching a notion of salvation based largely upon Christian beliefs of salvation and apocalypse, committed ritual suicide on March 26, 1997. Thirty-nine people killed themselves that day, on the faith based belief that they would be saved by doing so.

Thirty-nine people killed themselves because of an elongated *something* in the tail of a comet passing near earth, and yet a handful of apostles willing to die for their cult leader surprises you? Jesus told his followers he would offer them eternal life, and salvation, that's a powerful message for a certain kind of person. All you've demonstrated is that Jesus of Nazareth led his followers to risk their lives, not that he was God.

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I never claimed to like or agree with Scientology. Scientology does not claim L. Ron Hubbard rose from the dead. What they claim is that L. Ron Hubbard lives past lives, and that he told them that after his death he would be reincarnated elsewhere in the galaxy, on other planets, to help other beings. Their claim is no more or less valid than your claim that Jesus was God, or that he rose from the dead.

The Bible is a historically accurate bookblackregiment

The Bible claims, amongst other things, that the Earth was created in six days (all scientific evidence suggests otherwise ),and that one man somehow got all 10 billion species of life on the planet onto one boat.

Parts of the bible, such as the Flood, were based on the events of the era, others were pure fantasy, with little historical basis. To claim the bible is historically accurate is absolutely absurd. The book discusses talking snakes, magic fruit, a forbidden garden that does not exist, a tree guarded by an angel and swords that no one has ever found, people there are no record of (outside of the bible ) and events that there is no evidence to show occrued

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First, I did not create this thread so you are addressing the wrong person. Second, you may think you have the power to control what is discussed or what I discuss but guess what, you don't. Get over it. If you don't like the discussion, then don't visit. Go hang out on the Scientology thread and discuss your Thetans blackregiment

First, I am not a Scientologist, nor did I claim to be. However you have advocated this thread, and worked with a union to help its creation. LINK - this topic was brainstormed by your group, in your union, as a means to evangelize. The purpose of this thread, as far as your union is concerned, seems to be to spread the word of Jesus Christ.

However, this forum is open to all, people who agree, people who disagree. When I disagree with you in a way that makes it hard to spread your message, what is your response? Personal attacks and a request that I not participate.

Secondly, this forum, being open to all, is open to all religions. You may scoff at Scientology, but-Scientology makes claims that are no more strange than the ones made by Christianity. They both ask their followers to make a leap of faith. You mentioned I should go elsewhere to discuss thetans? Why? Thetan is the Scientology term for "soul", a notion that some in the scientific world find equally absurd whether it's Christianity or Scientology.

If it's okay for your particular religous beliefs to be evangelized, then it's okay for others to evangelize other religious beliefs. Your religious beliefs, claims, and faith aren't any more sincere than a Scientologist's claim. Tom Cruise doesn't believe in what he is doing any less than you, and yet, you're directing anger towards that because Jesus, rather than L. Ron Hubbard is your savior.

I bring up Scientology because of how similar it is now to what Christianity was when it started. The majority viewed it as a cult advocating dangerous things, harming its members, and making absurd claims. The difference between Scientology and your brand of Christianity is 2000 years to add the weight of history, and a massive endorsement deal from a wildly successful Roman emperor by the name of Constantine.

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Y'know, this isn't the religious debate I wanted to have. I tried to engage you in a heartfelt discussion about the Synoptic Gospel versus the Gospel of John the Baptist. I tried to bring up the problem of Paul, the anti-trinitarians, and the issue of free will. But rather than engage me at that level, you attacked me, claimed I have "no evidence", and ignored my requests for proof outside of the bible for your claims.

I enjoy discussing theology, but that takes two parties willing to listen, and I don't believe it can occur when one side has the goal of evangelizing.

In answer to your first question sin is sin. We don't know if there will be different levels of punishment in eternity for different kinds of sin. God has told us in His Word and according to His standards of righteousness, we are all sinners. You can believe God or choose to believe He is a liar. that is your choice.

In regards to your second point, it is not about our beliefs. It is about God's Word. It is not about coming to us, it is about coming to Christ. Christ says that He is the only way to the father. You can believe Him or believe that he is a lair.

You mention "versions" of the Bible. That is a red herring. There are different translations of the Christian Biblical manuscripts however, they do not teach different truths. They teach that salvation is through God's grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone. There are some cults that have modified the Bible to support their beliefs but Biblical Christian Bibles are consistent with over 25,000 manuscripts and early Biblical texts as well as over 86,000 writings of he early Church leaders.

You mention other religions and asked what Jesus taught. He taught that salvation was only through Him. He and we do love sinners and true Christian love is sharing the truth of salvation in Christ with them. You seem to have a misconception of what Christian love is.I suppose that if you had a friend and you knew that there was something that was going to cause him pain and suffering, you would consider it unloving to warn him and loving to remain silent and just let harm befall him. The Bible does say that in latter times good will be called evil and evil called good. we can observe that happening all around us in the culture today, especially in the increasing intolerance and attacks on Christians that are trying to share the Gospel in love.

You can believe Him, or believe He is a liar. God gives you a free will to do either.

blackregiment

So what sin has a newborn baby committed? If you say that he inherited sin from the parents, is that the babies fault? He's automatically put in the same group as people who consciously kill and steal?

If it's not about coming to you, then why are you here? Obviously you're wanting people to come to you first, so that they can "come" to Jesus. Not to mention that no one can literally "come" to a spirit being not on this earth.

Whatever word you want use, each different bible from each Christian/Christian related religion is different. A few words can change the entire meaning of a sentence. For example, some translations state one of the ten commandments as "Thou shall not kill". Later translations read it as "Thou shall not murder". This is different. God himself has killed, but yet that's one of his own commandments. However, murder is taking someone else life for no good reason, or without self-defense. "Kill" means kill, for whatever reason. Therefore, which translation is correct? Is the bible saying that it's alright to kill in self-defense, or that we should not kill at all? The point is that this is where bible translations can confuse people, and can actually change the beliefs of a religion, even though it still carries the name "Bible". If there are two books that are the same name by the same author, then wouldn't you agree that both should be an exact copy, every word?

Where did I hint that I would do that to a friend? That has nothing to do with what I said. What I was saying was that you believe in what you believe. Even though you state it as fact, it's still a religious belief, and you believe that everyone elses religious beliefs are wrong, no matter how involved they are with their religion or how much good they are doing. Then you tell these people that they will be given "...the destiney you choose" which is the sugar-coated version of hell. You even call other peoples views "mumbo jumbo". Is this the way Jesus would of taught?

No one is telling anyone that they are "terrible people" and you know that.

blackregiment

Okay..I am confused. People are saying that Jesus is god? I thought Jesus was gods son? send to earth to teach us about god and that he died for our sins? I don't remember him actually being god?

Also, blackregiment, you talk of man made religion. As the bible was written by a man/men does that not make it man made also?

The other thing that I wonder about is the devine things/miracles he performed. Ever seen David Blaine? There are still places on earth today, that have been completely sheltered from the outside world. If you were to send david blaine into one of these places and he performed his tricks, they would soon all be worshipping him as a god.......or kill him for being a devil.

Just some thoughts.

and by the way I am not anti religious in anyway. My beliefs are my own, and I find the topic interesting.

Okay..I am confused. People are saying that Jesus is god? I thought Jesus was gods son? send to earth to teach us about god and that he died for our sins? I don't remember him actually being god?

angryfodder

[QUOTE="angryfodder"]

Okay..I am confused. People are saying that Jesus is god? I thought Jesus was gods son? send to earth to teach us about god and that he died for our sins? I don't remember him actually being god?

Jandurin

Yeah but when was he ever god? What religion believes that Jesus is god? Jesus is gods son isn't he?

Yeah but when was he ever god? What religion believes that Jesus is god? Jesus is gods son isn't he?

angryfodder

Okay..I am confused. People are saying that Jesus is god? I thought Jesus was gods son? send to earth to teach us about god and that he died for our sins? I don't remember him actually being god?

Also, blackregiment, you talk of man made religion. As the bible was written by a man/men does that not make it man made also?

The other thing that I wonder about is the devine things/miracles he performed. Ever seen David Blaine? There are still places on earth today, that have been completely sheltered from the outside world. If you were to send david blaine into one of these places and he performed his tricks, they would soon all be worshipping him as a god.......or kill him for being a devil.

Just some thoughts.

and by the way I am not anti religious in anyway. My beliefs are my own, and I find the topic interesting.

angryfodder

Hello, I will try to answer your questions. Jesus is one person of the Godhead. The Godhead is a trinity. God is one in essence and three in persons, God the Father, God the Son (Jesus), and God the Holy the Spirit. It can be illustrated as 1x 1 x 1 =1. Jesus is one in person, two in essence. He was fully God and fully man. The Trinity is hard for our finite minds to comprehend, it is a mystery that we not fully understand until the Lord returns.

In regards to the Bible, the Bible is not a religion. It is the inspired Word of God. It is God's revelation to His creation. The authors that wrote the 66 books of the Bible, were inspired by God through the Holy Spirit. They were the instruments that God used to record His Word. They were Divinely inspired.

Here is some additional information.

http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-inspired.html

http://www.gotquestions.org/proof-inspiration-Bible.html

Yes I have seen David Blaine. He is an amazing magician, but that is all he is, a magician that uses complex props, technology, misdirection and "slight of hand" to trick our minds. The technology that many magicians use today was not available in the time of Jesus. Many people today find it hard to accept miracles because we have been conditioned to believe that only the natural world exists and that natural processes can explain everything. Remember, God is a spirit, supernatural. He is outside of the natural world and is not bound by space and time. Many people tat have trouble believing in miracles or the existence of a supernatural God, have no problem believing in ghosts, aliens, even the Loch Ness monster or Bigfoot. They will readily accept the notion that all matter and energy in the universe were one time compressed into a singularity smaller than a dot the size of a period that occupied not place in space because space did not even exist. They will believe that suddenly, and without a cause, this singularity expanded rapidly and all matter, energy, even space and time came into existence. Think about that for a minute. Take just the sun. The sun is so large a million earths would fit into it's interior. Can you imagine just the sun, much les all other matter in the universe being super compressed into a singularity, a tiny dot smaller than a period?  Some people that have difficulties believing in a supernatural God or miracles will have no problem believing in black holes, multiple parallel universes, string theory, infinite universes, the Higgs boson, etc. based on mathematical formulas or observations of their effect, as in the case of black holes, on their surroundings. Has anyone ever seen one of these? Some of these people have no problem that non-living chemicals just came together and somehow came to life even though the odds against that happening are astronomical. I could go on an on.

Part of the problem people have with believing in God is that they will not take the time to do the research and think critically and reasonably about the evidence. Our secular culture has done an excellent job of convincing many that God doesn't exist. They just take the Word of others who in turn take the word of others. It reminds me of that commercial that aired a while back where one guy called another person and said, "id you take care of that thing?", and that person calls another person lower in the hierarchy and asks the same question, and so on and so on. The idea is that no one actually "took care of that thing" and each one assumed someone else had.

When people enter into discussions of faith such as discussions of God, Jesus, the Bible, etc. we never start at the beginning. By necessity, we kind of jump in the middle of things. This presents problems, for example, if one does not believe God exists, then they could care less what the Bible says. If they don't believe in God, then they could care less about who Jesus was and what He said or did. The funny thing is, we won't trust many things we do without doing some research, but many are willing to risk their eternal destination to what someone else has said. In order to fully understand these things, we need to go back to the beginning. If we are going to be intellectually honest with ourselves, then we need to do the research for ourselves from the beginning. We need to objectively look at the evidence for God first. It is there if one cares enough to look. His fingerprints are all over His creation. Then we need to look at His Word and the evidence that it is truly his Word. From there, we need to look at the evidence for the existence of Jesus, who He was, what He taught, His life,, His death, and His resurrection, finally we need to look at the power of God's Word to change lives through the working of the Holy Spirit.

It is a long journey, but well worth it. It takes much work and thought. If God exists, and I believe He does based on the research I have done as well as faith, if what He has told us is true, and I believe it is, also based on research and faith, then we owe it to ourselves to research the matter for ourselves. Not rely on others. Eternity is a long time.  Do we buy stocks without research, a car, or select a career? Most people research these things before they act. If we have a serious illness, do we seek second and third opinions on the appropriate treatment?  How much are our eyes worth? How much would we sell them for? Most people would not sell them for any price. They are priceless. If God exists and what He has told us is true, how much more valuable is our soul and where we will spend eternity? I find it amazing that so many people will leave this important decision to chance, or just take the words o others without fully researching the matter themselves. Our time in this world is but a wisp of smoke compared to eternity. If God exists and what He has aid is true, how we react to Him and the lifeline He has give us in Christ will have tremendous eternal consequences. We owe it to ourselves to seek the truth.

Here is an excellent site that will help one that decides that they want to take the journey of exploring the things of God from the beginning so they can, with an open mind, begin to explore the evidence for the truth of God's existence and the truth of His revelation. .   

"The Journey: What Happened To Me?

Randall Niles was the definitive skeptic, critic, and cynic. Forged in the fires of Georgetown, Oxford, and Berkeley, Randall's peers knew him as a "practicing atheist." Then, in what seemed to be overnight, people witnessed a dramatic shift in his life. Go on a journey with Randall as he poses questions, explores assumptions, and challenges his long-held preconceptions about life, purpose, and meaning."

http://www.allaboutthejourney.org/

I am the best person in the history of persons.dave123321

It can be illustrated as 1x 1 x 1 =1blackregiment

[QUOTE="dave123321"]I am the best person in the history of persons.Jandurin

I am the best person in the past ,present ,and future.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]It can be illustrated as 1x 1 x 1 =1Funky_Llama

I am the best person in the past ,present ,and future.

dave123321

teh alpha? teh omega?Jandurin

Yes.I am God.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="blackregiment"]Why would you multiply God, Jesus and the Holy spirit together? :lol:Jandurin

I am the best person in the past ,present ,and future.

dave123321

Yes.I am God.

dave123321

You'll get a JandurinLlama. D:Funky_Llama

subrosian,

Since you choose to continue to prevaricate and falsely claim that I have personally attacked you, which I have not, and continue to blaspheme the Lord I serve, I choose to no longer discuss anything with you.

I wish you well. My hope is that God will bless you richly and lead you to the truth. 

Nice to meet you :)Jandurin

I have been disappointed that you have met me this late in life.

My hope is that God will bless you richly and lead you to the truth. 

blackregiment

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]It can be illustrated as 1x 1 x 1 =1Funky_Llama

It was simply an illustration. If you would like other illustrations, you can find them here.

http://www.carm.org/islam/obj_trinity.htm

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

My hope is that God will bless you richly and lead you to the truth. 

Jandurin

There is but one God, our Creator God that has revealed Himself to us in His Word and in Jesus Christ. 

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="blackregiment"]It can be illustrated as 1x 1 x 1 =1blackregiment

It was simply an illustration. If you would like other illustrations, you can find them here.

http://www.carm.org/islam/obj_trinity.htm

There is but one God, our Creator God that has revealed Himself to us in His Word and in Jesus Christblackregiment

[QUOTE="blackregiment"] [QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Why would you multiply God, Jesus and the Holy spirit together? :lol:Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="blackregiment"]It can be illustrated as 1x 1 x 1 =1blackregiment

It was simply an illustration. If you would like other illustrations, you can find them here.

http://www.carm.org/islam/obj_trinity.htm

Why would you multiply them? and not add them?

Also how is the bible split? 60 something books that make up the New and the old testiment?

I think I have read the new testiment - this starts around the time of Jesus.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

subrosian,

Since you choose to continue to prevaricate and falsely claim that I have personally attacked you, which I have not, and continue to blaspheme the Lord I serve, I choose to no longer discuss anything with you.

I wish you well. My hope is that God will bless you richly and lead you to the truth.

Qooroo

Personally, I think you're just scared. Subrosian made a lot of good points, and rather than debate him in those issues, it's easier for you to fabricate reasons to not engage with them - a slightly more refined version of shoving your fingers in your ears and shouting "LALALALALA!" until he goes away.

Stop acting like a child and answer his questions, or admit that you either can't, or simply don't want to. Don't try and pretend you've been horribly slighted here.

As much as I think blackregiment has made good points - I think subrosian has as well, so I do agree with the above poster on this.

I am not saying that you are correct or incorrect blackregiment and I like hearing your point of view, I don't think that subrosian has done the things you claim. He has simply brought another perspective to the table.

Qooroo and angryfodder,

I refuse to discuss things with one that falsely accuses me making of personal attacks when I have not. The very person alleging this, has stated something to the effect in a prior post, that ones's beliefs are separate from the person and therefore, questioning a person's beliefs are not attacking them personally. Interesting irony isn't it? The Bible discussed this type of behavior. I choose not to get involved in discussion with one that practices it. It is also interesting that the one alleging these false personal attacks accused me of blaspheme for worshipping Jesus Christ, of endangering the Jews for referring to the Scriptures or Biblical history, but that is OK, right. Anything goes when a Christian is the target.

I have also never said that anyone is not free to post anything they want regarding their beliefs on these threads or challenge anything that they want. I find it ironic and interesting that non-believers are always complaining about Christians that discuss their faith in these threads, as the one complaining now has. All I have ever suggested is that if one does not like these discussions, rather than complain about them, they should just refrain from visiting them.    

The following is adressed to Qooroo specifically.

That being said, think and believe whatever you want about me. While you are doing that, try and imagine how little I actually care what you, or any unbeliever may think of me. I will give you a hint. It is far smaller than the singularity, the "creator god" that naturalists put their faith in.

Gal 1:10  For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

I wish you well. 

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Why would you multiply God, Jesus and the Holy spirit together? :lol:angryfodder

It was simply an illustration. If you would like other illustrations, you can find them here.

http://www.carm.org/islam/obj_trinity.htm

Why would you multiply them? and not add them?

Also how is the bible split? 60 something books that make up the New and the old testiment?

I think I have read the new testiment - this starts around the time of Jesus.

It was simply an illustration. 1 + 1+ 1 = 3 would not be a good illustration since God is one, not three. He is one in essence yet three in persons, all part of the same Godhead. Read the link for a more detailed explanation.

To answer your Bible question, there are 66 books. 39 in the old Testament and 27 in the New Testament.

The 66 separate books, were written over approximately 1,500 years, by at least 40 distinct authors, from all walks of life, written in three different languages, on three different continents, all in perfect agreement and revealing a consistent message, the path to salvation in Jesus Christ. The Old Testament contains 39 books written from approximately 1500 to 400 BC, and the New Testament contains 27 books written from approximately 40 to 65 AD.

There is no other book that has ever come close to this remarkable achievement and wisdom. Anyone that reads and studies it and cannot see the inspiration and work of God in the Bible just doesn't want to. Try getting 40 people in the same room or on the same internet thread to agree on something and it will be clear that the Bible is God's inspired, inerrant, and preserved Word. Anyone can pick a verse out of the Bible and try to discredit it but when one openly and honestly looks at all of the evidence for the truth of the Bible in its entirety, only one that chooses to remain in rebellion to the Lord will reject it. It has been said, even by secular psychologists, that if one studies the Sermon on the Mount, in the 5th, 6th, and 7th chapters of Matthew, the excellence of the wisdom, guidance, and life lessons of the words and teachings of Jesus in just those verses, surpasses the totality of all advice ever written in the history of man by all psychologists and sociologists that ever lived.  Many concede that if all the advice ever written by those experts were condensed down, into one document, the wisdom for living in Jesus' teachings would dwarf them in significance. This is overwhelming evidence for the divine inspiration and truth of the Bible as well as the divinity of Christ.  

That being said, think and believe whatever you want about me. While you are doing that, try and imagine how little I actually care what you, or any unbeliever may think of me.

blackregiment

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]There is but one God, our Creator God that has revealed Himself to us in His Word and in Jesus ChristJandurin

My opinion is irrelevant. We should not trust the eternal destiny of our souls to any man's opinion. We should examine the evidence and come to a knowledge of the truth for ourselves. While I am not referring to you specifically, many won't expend the effort to seek the truth and examine the evidence and many don't want to know the truth becasue they do not want to be accountable to a creator God and His judgement. None of those things will change reality however, therefore it is incumbent on us to seek the truth with an open mind wherever that will lead us. All that matters is finding the truth.  

Have you ever told a lie? Yes
Have you ever stolen anything? Yes
Have you ever looked with lust? Yes
Have you ever hated anyone? Yes
Have you ever used God's name in vain? Like as a swear word? Yes

Whoops, i voted good before reading the questions...Guess i'm bad then lol

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

That being said, think and believe whatever you want about me. While you are doing that, try and imagine how little I actually care what you, or any unbeliever may think of me.

Jandurin

I am not here to make you "feel warm and fuzzy inside". I am here to encourage you to seek the truth for yourself.

Act 20:27  For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.

Gal 4:16  Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

Gal 1:10  For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

Do you believe in all that the bible says - what about the part of the earth being 12,000 years old? - of there is such a part in the bible. I am just quoting zeitgiest on that.

Its an interesting point though. When I read the new testiment I thought that very little was actually said, so there was very little to disprove. But this figure (12,000), is almost unquestionally incorrect.