Do you think Good "Atheists" go to Hell?

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[QUOTE="mejle12"]im just trying to help yall become christians well i was 1 of your 3 Light HOuses to help your ship get home battlefront23

See, that's the thing. I don't like religions because they each think they are "right", and will attept to convert anyone to thier religion. I like atheists, because they won't try to do that.

We are just doing what the Bible tells us to do. And the only reason we try to convert (besides the reason already posted) is we want to see more faces in Heaven with us.

I'm touched. but the fact you are trying to convert me is only pushing me away from your beloved church.

[QUOTE="FusionApex"][QUOTE="DrinkDuff"][QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="DrinkDuff"]

The Universe was not obligated to prove its existence either but yet, there it is, everywhere around us waiting for us to discover new things about it. How come God couldn't be nice enough to leave us some real hard evidence about His existence?

DrinkDuff

Funny you should mention the universe. The hundreds of fine tuned Anthropic factors in the universe that are precisely fine tuned to allow life to exist on earth are some of the evidence. That is why fewer and fewer astro-physicists reject the truth of a Creator God.

Theoretical physicist Stephen Hawking mentions the ratio between the masses of the proton and the electron as one of the many fundamental numbers in nature, and comments, "The remarkable fact is that the values of these numbers seem to have been very finely adjusted to make possible the development of life."

Stephen W. Hawking
A Brief History of Time—From the Big Bang to Black Holes
New York: Bantam Books, 1988, p. 125

"Every one of these forces must have just the right strength if there is to be any possibility of life. For example, if electrical forces were much stronger than they are, then no element heavier than hydrogen could form ... But electrical repulsion cannot be too weak. if it were, protons would combine too easily, and the sun ...(assuming that it had somehow managed to exist up to now) would explode like a thermonuclear bomb."

Richard Morris
The Fate of the Universe
New York: Playboy Press, 1982, p. 153

"For the scientist who has lived by faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries."

Robert Jastrow
God and the Astronomers

I never denied the possibility of a creator, I just don't think I'm ready to believe in the christian God when all of the evidence for His existence is within the bible.

The thing is, christianity would be a pointless religion if Jesus had not been on earth, and died for us. Certainly that is documented, as people on history channel keep trying to find his once grave.

Think of it like picking a piece of candy. You want the best one right?

Look at it like this, Islam believes that that in paradise, men recieve 20 virgins. Then what? Also. Allah is never (according to my research) stated as loving to his followers.

Hinduism has thousands of gods, once again detached, so you can reach brahman, basically peace.

Chrisitanity has a God who loves you, and sacrificed his son for you. Doesn't that sound a hell of a lot better than an impersonal god, or thousands of gods?

[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="BloodEmblem"]

[QUOTE="mejle12"]im just trying to help yall become christians well i was 1 of your 3 Light HOuses to help your ship get home BloodEmblem

See, that's the thing. I don't like religions because they each think they are "right", and will attept to convert anyone to thier religion. I like atheists, because they won't try to do that.

We are just doing what the Bible tells us to do. And the only reason we try to convert (besides the reason already posted) is we want to see more faces in Heaven with us.

I'm touched. but the fact you are trying to convert me is only pushing me away from your beloved church.

Why? :| Because I care enough for you that I don't want to see you in Hell?

[QUOTE="BloodEmblem"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="BloodEmblem"]

[QUOTE="mejle12"]im just trying to help yall become christians well i was 1 of your 3 Light HOuses to help your ship get home battlefront23

See, that's the thing. I don't like religions because they each think they are "right", and will attept to convert anyone to thier religion. I like atheists, because they won't try to do that.

We are just doing what the Bible tells us to do. And the only reason we try to convert (besides the reason already posted) is we want to see more faces in Heaven with us.

I'm touched. but the fact you are trying to convert me is only pushing me away from your beloved church.

Why? :| Because I care enough for you that I don't want to see you in Hell?

No, because you are trying to convert me. converting is the exact reason I don't wish to be part of the Church.

The thing is, christianity would be a pointless religion if Jesus had not been on earth, and died for us. Certainly that is documented, as people on history channel keep trying to find his once grave.

Think of it like picking a piece of candy. You want the best one right?

Look at it like this, Islam believes that that in paradise, men recieve 20 virgins. Then what? Also. Allah is never (according to my research) stated as loving to his followers.

Hinduism has thousands of gods, once again detached, so you can reach brahman, basically peace.

Chrisitanity has a God who loves you, and sacrificed his son for you. Doesn't that sound a hell of a lot better than an impersonal god, or thousands of gods?

Uh remember the plagues of Egypt? God clearly doesn't have much love there. Have you ever read Leviticus? God rants on for 30 pages about how if we don't obey him, we are heading straight to hell.

[QUOTE="jetpower3"]

See, that's what I'm talking about. You think you know the answer, but you only know your answer, when there's a thousand different things that these passages can mean.

mrcong

Anything can be interpreted in a variety of different ways. However, the literal meaning is usually the correct one. I think those passages from Timothy and John quite plainly state that salvation only comes through Jesus Christ. You can take it any way you want, but there is only one correct interpretation. Why not heed it?

Because that is simply not what I believe. Don't tell me I'm heeding something that no one really knows to be true, no matter how much you try to convince me.

[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="BloodEmblem"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="BloodEmblem"]

[QUOTE="mejle12"]im just trying to help yall become christians well i was 1 of your 3 Light HOuses to help your ship get home BloodEmblem

See, that's the thing. I don't like religions because they each think they are "right", and will attept to convert anyone to thier religion. I like atheists, because they won't try to do that.

We are just doing what the Bible tells us to do. And the only reason we try to convert (besides the reason already posted) is we want to see more faces in Heaven with us.

I'm touched. but the fact you are trying to convert me is only pushing me away from your beloved church.

Why? :| Because I care enough for you that I don't want to see you in Hell?

No, because you are trying to convert me. converting is the exact reason I don't wish to be part of the Church.

Why?

[QUOTE="BloodEmblem"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="BloodEmblem"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="BloodEmblem"]

[QUOTE="mejle12"]im just trying to help yall become christians well i was 1 of your 3 Light HOuses to help your ship get home battlefront23

See, that's the thing. I don't like religions because they each think they are "right", and will attept to convert anyone to thier religion. I like atheists, because they won't try to do that.

We are just doing what the Bible tells us to do. And the only reason we try to convert (besides the reason already posted) is we want to see more faces in Heaven with us.

I'm touched. but the fact you are trying to convert me is only pushing me away from your beloved church.

Why? :| Because I care enough for you that I don't want to see you in Hell?

No, because you are trying to convert me. converting is the exact reason I don't wish to be part of the Church.

Why?

I can't vouch for the previous poster, but I feel the same way. Trying to convert someone to me is just the same as trying to say that your way is the only right way, and that you can have a choice, but if you make the wrong choice and don't join us you will forever be damned for that.

Why?

battlefront23

See, I understand your good intentions, but your ignorance is what really gets to me.

I don't want to be converted.

I am infact catholic, but I don't wish to be part of the Church for my own reasons. I believe in God, but I don't wish to be part of the Church, because of my own reasons. Got that?

[QUOTE="DrinkDuff"][QUOTE="FusionApex"][QUOTE="DrinkDuff"][QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="DrinkDuff"]

The Universe was not obligated to prove its existence either but yet, there it is, everywhere around us waiting for us to discover new things about it. How come God couldn't be nice enough to leave us some real hard evidence about His existence?

FusionApex

Funny you should mention the universe. The hundreds of fine tuned Anthropic factors in the universe that are precisely fine tuned to allow life to exist on earth are some of the evidence. That is why fewer and fewer astro-physicists reject the truth of a Creator God.

Theoretical physicist Stephen Hawking mentions the ratio between the masses of the proton and the electron as one of the many fundamental numbers in nature, and comments, "The remarkable fact is that the values of these numbers seem to have been very finely adjusted to make possible the development of life."

Stephen W. Hawking
A Brief History of Time—From the Big Bang to Black Holes
New York: Bantam Books, 1988, p. 125

"Every one of these forces must have just the right strength if there is to be any possibility of life. For example, if electrical forces were much stronger than they are, then no element heavier than hydrogen could form ... But electrical repulsion cannot be too weak. if it were, protons would combine too easily, and the sun ...(assuming that it had somehow managed to exist up to now) would explode like a thermonuclear bomb."

Richard Morris
The Fate of the Universe
New York: Playboy Press, 1982, p. 153

"For the scientist who has lived by faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries."

Robert Jastrow
God and the Astronomers

I never denied the possibility of a creator, I just don't think I'm ready to believe in the christian God when all of the evidence for His existence is within the bible.

The thing is, christianity would be a pointless religion if Jesus had not been on earth, and died for us. Certainly that is documented, as people on history channel keep trying to find his once grave.

Think of it like picking a piece of candy. You want the best one right?

Look at it like this, Islam believes that that in paradise, men recieve 20 virgins. Then what? Also. Allah is never (according to my research) stated as loving to his followers.

Hinduism has thousands of gods, once again detached, so you can reach brahman, basically peace.

Chrisitanity has a God who loves you, and sacrificed his son for you. Doesn't that sound a hell of a lot better than an impersonal god, or thousands of gods?

What, people still believe in that 20 virgin BS? This myth has been disproved several times.....

Anyways, good atheists have a chance. There are hadith of the Prophet, which clearly tell that how some unbelievers did great good (or even small ones) and were destined for heaven. For example, the man who gave water to that thirsty dog. And there are many more.

[QUOTE="metaldude05"]I believe the only way to heaven is the belief and relationship with God. There is no other way plus like others have said "Good" is subjective what i think is good may not be what you think is good. All that matters to get in to heaven is what God thinks is Good and i assure that neither of our definitions are close to his. Crushmaster

im with you. i said a relationship with God is the only way. if you are a christian i am assuming you believe in the trinity. God and Jesus are the same. if you have a relationship with God/Jesus you would of had to accept him. and if you love Jesus im assuming at some point you have repented. a few assumptions i know but i dont think there to far fetched i think we both pretty much agree here though. one thing i have found is that when my relationship with Jesus is strongest all these other things fall into place and i am a better christian during those times

I see a lot of Christians saying god is merciful and forgiving but I've read through the bible a little and I've found, let's just say interesting, things.

Numbers 31:7- 18:

Clearly god approves of slavery, murder and rape.

Hosea 9: 11-16

The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children do survive to grow up, I will take them from you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone. I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre. But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered." O LORD, what should I request for your people? I will ask for wombs that don't give birth and breasts that give no milk. The LORD says, "All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them. I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions. I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels. The people of Israel are stricken. Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit. And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children."

god says he will murder children.

Deuteronomy 21: 10-14

"When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion."

Again god approves of forced marriage and rape.

Just to keep this pointless debate train chugging along, I present this question for anybody who'd like to answer it:

Do you think bad Christians go to heaven?

Just to keep this pointless debate train chugging along, I present this question for anybody who'd like to answer it:

Do you think bad Christians go to heaven?

-Jiggles-

sure, why not.

it pretty much says in the bible, they go to hell. so.. i guess theres your answer? look at it this way, when you do die, if you find out there really is a heaven and hell and your atheists, will you feel dumb?iamshivy

If I'd find myself in hell and lived my life well, I'll think whoever decided for me to go there is an unreasonable idiot.

[QUOTE="iamshivy"]it pretty much says in the bible, they go to hell. so.. i guess theres your answer? look at it this way, when you do die, if you find out there really is a heaven and hell and your atheists, will you feel dumb?MindFreeze

If I'd find myself in hell and lived my life well, I'll think whoever decided for me to go there is an unreasonable idiot.

it pretty much says in the bible, they go to hell. so.. i guess theres your answer? look at it this way, when you do die, if you find out there really is a heaven and hell and your atheists, will you feel dumb?iamshivy

I think it's dumb that you still believe in fairlylands.

There is no God. Of any type. Anywhere.starfox15

If you believe in "A" god, than almost by definition, you are condemned to some type of hell or limbo due to the countless other religions/cults around the world telling you this due to their own clauses claiming that "They" are, in fact, the correct way of worship.

Also, while we're on this topic, what's the difference between a cult and a religion.

This thread is awesome in some ways =PBloodseeker23

There's a lot of arguing from all sides. None of which are gaining or losing any ground.

It's kinda fun to watch people quarrel over things...

It's like a playground where the little kiddies are fighting over who can dig the biggest hole in the sand. One kid would dig a hole and say his is the biggest, which is then followed up by a number of the other kids kicking sand into his hole, then all of them individually saying that they can dig the biggest hole. They all dig holes themselves and then the cycle continues over and over. In the end nothing will be accomplished, no one will be satisfied, and no one wins, but it sure was fun to watch if you were a spectator.

If you believe in "A" god, than almost by definition, you are condemned to some type of hell or limbo due to the countless other religions/cults around the world telling you this due to their own clauses claiming that "They" are, in fact, the correct way of worship.

Also, while we're on this topic, what's the difference between a cult and a religion.

starfox15

That isn't a very clear cut definition. It sounds a little too much like Christianity, and god-forbid Christianity be viewed as a cult. A cult doesn't have to be condensed to a few members, and not every person who leads them has ulterior motives. If that was the case, Jesus wouldn't exactly be viewed as highly as he was for Christians.

""Cult" Typically refers to a cohesive social group devoted to beliefs or practices that the surrounding population considers to be outside the mainstream."

"A "Religion" is a set of tenets and practices, often centered upon specific supernatural and moral claims about reality, the cosmos, and human nature, and often codified as prayer, ritual, or religious law..."

These are the definitions of cult and religion as viewed by wikipedia. Now to put much bearing on this website as official is a little conceited, but I think it does a good job of illustrating each term in so many words.

What I'm trying to say here is the fact that before Christianity was as popular as it is today, it itself would have been viewed as a cult by wiki's definition, and I think that that's a safe assumption considering how it was shunned so in other parts of the world, and often viewed as a crime, punishable by death in some cases.

In layman's terms, religion is the "cool and popular" word for cult. Cult is that thing that crazy people do or follow.

Hitler deconverted from Christianity later in his life and embraced paganism. . . .

And the RRS? They're a bunch of mindless, incompetent dumbasses without a brain cell among them. They are extremists, lunatics, liars, bullies, and good for absolutely nothing. Citing their idiocy is an instant failure.

Theokhoth

fail, thats a common myth produced by the mass media. Hitler while never really carring to much for the catholic church has always belived in Jesus and greatly respected him, he even refered to him as the first true aryan fighthing against the jews. He was also verry much in favor of the "positive christianity" thats basicly protestanism with a difrent name, all the commandments out of the bible and only the love of jesus and forgiveness of sin should stay in. Hitler did in redicule in public and in private about nazi members embracing mythsticism and paganism. He was till his death someone who belived in jesus and god and the forgiveness of sin, he IS in heaven by your own standarts. Don't try to impose dubble standarts on him just beacose of what he did, he said it himself ALL sins are forgiven if asked for it

and even if Hitler is not in heaven and didn't belive in god or whatever, every other mass murderer that does belive in god can go to heaven, regardless of how many people he killed. Is it so by your own standarts or isn't it? While everyone else regardless of how good a person he was is in hell.

that still doesn't change the fact that the RRS detroyed every argument they had for gods exsistance and creation in that debate

I have no intention of converting anyone from his belives, by all means do as you want, but we still have to get the facts straight about heaven and hell and how to get there and the bible clearly states as long as you belive in god all your sins are forgiven beacose jesus died for all your sins. While the bible wants you to be a good person and do good it is not necesery to get into heaven. Atleast thats the protestant version (and I am one, atleast babtized as one)

ok then read chapter 1 of genesis then acts 15:27

Genesys tell about creation, science even says that the books of genesis are most like relevant just please read them for me

www.biblegateway.com

mejle12

atheist/agnostic: why is your religion the right one?

christian: well it says so in the blible!

a/a: well but what does make the bible real?

christian: well it says so in it!

a/a: -.- there are many religios text claming to be true, what makes yours true?

christian: it says that it is the only true one!

am I the only one having quite a few problems with that theory?

Funny you should mention the universe. The hundreds of fine tuned Anthropic factors in the universe that are precisely fine tuned to allow life to exist on earth are some of the evidence. That is why fewer and fewer astro-physicists reject the truth of a Creator God.

Theoretical physicist Stephen Hawking mentions the ratio between the masses of the proton and the electron as one of the many fundamental numbers in nature, and comments, "The remarkable fact is that the values of these numbers seem to have been very finely adjusted to make possible the development of life."

blackregiment

ofcourse everything is perfectly fine beacose we don't know what would be if it wouldn't be all the same since we wouldn't be alive. We have very limited knowloeadge of the universe and we get it from observation. We don't know what would happen if some protons would be difrent beacose we don't have another universe to observe it, there still might be some form of life that would evolve, difrent then our current understanding of life. We curretly think you need oxigen to breath and to live, but is that the only way? can life exsist without O2? Well we have no idea.

If there really is a god, I don't think he'd be so close minded as to send anyone who doesn't believe in him and follow him to hell.boshlonavish

God's laid the rules down quite clearly. If an Athiest decides to break them, than it is their own choice to go to hell.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Hitler deconverted from Christianity later in his life and embraced paganism. . . .

And the RRS? They're a bunch of mindless, incompetent dumbasses without a brain cell among them. They are extremists, lunatics, liars, bullies, and good for absolutely nothing. Citing their idiocy is an instant failure.

Enosh88

fail, thats a common myth produced by the mass media. Hitler while never really carring to much for the catholic church has always belived in Jesus and greatly respected him, he even refered to him as the first true aryan fighthing against the jews. He was also verry much in favor of the "positive christianity" thats basicly protestanism with a difrent name, all the commandments out of the bible and only the love of jesus and forgiveness of sin should stay in. Hitler did in redicule in public and in private about nazi members embracing mythsticism and paganism. He was till his death someone who belived in jesus and god and the forgiveness of sin, he IS in heaven by your own standarts. Don't try to impose dubble standarts on him just beacose of what he did, he said it himself ALL sins are forgiven if asked for it

and even if Hitler is not in heaven and didn't belive in god or whatever, every other mass murderer that does belive in god can go to heaven, regardless of how many people he killed. Is it so by your own standarts or isn't it? While everyone else regardless of how good a person he was is in hell.

that still doesn't change the fact that the RRS detroyed every argument they had for gods exsistance and creation in that debate

I have no intention of converting anyone from his belives, by all means do as you want, but we still have to get the facts straight about heaven and hell and how to get there and the bible clearly states as long as you belive in god all your sins are forgiven beacose jesus died for all your sins. While the bible wants you to be a good person and do good it is not necesery to get into heaven. Atleast thats the protestant version (and I am one, atleast babtized as one)

ok then read chapter 1 of genesis then acts 15:27

Genesys tell about creation, science even says that the books of genesis are most like relevant just please read them for me

www.biblegateway.com

mejle12

atheist/agnostic: why is your religion the right one?

christian: well it says so in the blible!

a/a: well but what does make the bible real?

christian: well it says so in it!

a/a: -.- there are many religios text claming to be true, what makes yours true?

christian: it says that it is the only true one!

am I the only one having quite a few problems with that theory?

Funny you should mention the universe. The hundreds of fine tuned Anthropic factors in the universe that are precisely fine tuned to allow life to exist on earth are some of the evidence. That is why fewer and fewer astro-physicists reject the truth of a Creator God.

Theoretical physicist Stephen Hawking mentions the ratio between the masses of the proton and the electron as one of the many fundamental numbers in nature, and comments, "The remarkable fact is that the values of these numbers seem to have been very finely adjusted to make possible the development of life."

blackregiment

ofcourse everything is perfectly fine beacose we don't know what would be if it wouldn't be all the same since we wouldn't be alive. We have very limited knowloeadge of the universe and we get it from observation. We don't know what would happen if some protons would be difrent beacose we don't have another universe to observe it, there still might be some form of life that would evolve, difrent then our current understanding of life. We curretly think you need oxigen to breath and to live, but is that the only way? can life exsist without O2? Well we have no idea.

Just because someone respects Jesus and believes him to be who he says he is doesn't make one a Christian... It's living a life of service towards Jesus while seeking repentance. Did Jesus not say, "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me"? Even the demons in hell admit who Jesus is, that doesn't mean they are saved and follow him... Many who claim to be Christian are not...

What you say is true about receiving Christ on your deathbed but there is no evidence of Hitler doing such...

With all of that said, I must say it's not my place to judge whether or not Hitler was truly a repentant Christian but I will say the evidence was against him.

Just because someone respects Jesus and believes him to be who he says he is doesn't make one a Christian... It's living a life of service towards Jesus while seeking repentance. Did Jesus not say, "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me"? Even the demons in hell admit who Jesus is, that doesn't mean they are saved and follow him... Many who claim to be Christian are not...

What you say is true about receiving Christ on your deathbed but there is no evidence of Hitler doing such...

With all of that said, I must say it's not my place to judge whether or not Hitler was truly a repentant Christian but I will say the evidence was against him.

mindstorm

there is also no evidence of him not doing so, the only person that was with him was Eva and she died too (and I don't think you need to ask for forgiveness out loud either, only he knew what was going on in his mind before his death), but all evidence (most notably his speaches and what he wrote into "mein kampf") point to him as, while being against the catholic church and the belive system in general (also against the paganism and mysticism that a lot of nazi members followed), still as being a christian who accepted jesus and while not accepting christianity that in his words "twisted jesuses teachings" he still did accept him, and last time I checked thats all you need.

but well in the end we will never really know what was going on in his mind and all of these are just speculations but there is still a very good chance he is in a heaven by your defenitions

[QUOTE="crazymaghie123"]

[QUOTE="RPG10080"]Despite believing that they are a good person, they are still relying on their own flawed sincerity, which no matter how much they may believe they are right and even if they are, in a human sense, a "good person," does not change the fact that they have sinned yet lack the forgiveness of God. So, in short, yes.blackregiment

Yeah you're right, I mean an atheist who is just a good person in general is worse than a christian who is only good because they believe they will go to hell if they're not...interesting...

No one, Christian or atheist is good. All men are fallen sinners and in need of a Savior. Have you ever told a lie, I have. Have you ever stolen anything, I have. Have you ever coveted something someone else had, I have. Have you ever looked at a woman with lust in your heart, I have.

We all are sinners. Without faith in Christ, we will all perish.

WoW, look at a woman with lust in your heart is a bad thing? Listen, I don't know who you think you are but if someone didn't look at someone else with lust in their heart then your fallen sinner a** would not be here so you should probably respect the fact that the humans have these emotions and feelings.

When you die god is going to be saying "hey man, thanks for the devotion and all but I intended you to have fun with your life not just sit on the forums and preech things all day long"

I hope when you die you feel fulfilled but just sitting around on forums all day preaching just doesn't seem like something a true faithful man would do. Yes, there are all these fools out there before you that have lead the way saying "oh spread our religion, its the best one, its the true one, jesus christ is more than a great great great man! He has to be some sort of god that can transmute water into wine and walk on water, he can't be respected for his great deeds without being a magician"..but the fact is, god intended you to have a good life. The people you're preaching too are not listening. You know why? Because we are enjoying our lives like god or whoever intended us too.

You know what you should do? Go outside and enjoy gods great play ground. Don't read the bible that was written by man! don't stay inside worshipping all day or just sitting on the forums. Enjoy the Earth man it was created for you.The more you waste your time preeching the less you will have time to enjoy Earth. I don't give a s*** how good your eutopia is Earth intend to enjoy it to the fullest.

I believe in respecting the fellow man and leaving the earth a better place than when I entered it. You say every man is in need of a savior, so you blame your "lieing, stealing, and heterosexuality" on not being saved by christ instead of just taking responsibility for yourself to become better.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="DrinkDuff"]

The Universe was not obligated to prove its existence either but yet, there it is, everywhere around us waiting for us to discover new things about it. How come God couldn't be nice enough to leave us some real hard evidence about His existence?

DrinkDuff

Funny you should mention the universe. The hundreds of fine tuned Anthropic factors in the universe that are precisely fine tuned to allow life to exist on earth are some of the evidence. That is why fewer and fewer astro-physicists reject the truth of a Creator God.

Theoretical physicist Stephen Hawking mentions the ratio between the masses of the proton and the electron as one of the many fundamental numbers in nature, and comments, "The remarkable fact is that the values of these numbers seem to have been very finely adjusted to make possible the development of life."

Stephen W. Hawking
A Brief History of Time—From the Big Bang to Black Holes
New York: Bantam Books, 1988, p. 125

"Every one of these forces must have just the right strength if there is to be any possibility of life. For example, if electrical forces were much stronger than they are, then no element heavier than hydrogen could form ... But electrical repulsion cannot be too weak. if it were, protons would combine too easily, and the sun ...(assuming that it had somehow managed to exist up to now) would explode like a thermonuclear bomb."

Richard Morris
The Fate of the Universe
New York: Playboy Press, 1982, p. 153

"For the scientist who has lived by faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries."

Robert Jastrow
God and the Astronomers

I never denied the possibility of a creator, I just don't think I'm ready to believe in the christian God when all of the evidence for His existence is within the bible.

You actually think that the Bible was revealed as a detailed scientific manual? The Bible is a record of God's historical interaction with His creation, a revelation of Himself and His plan of salvation for mankind in Jesus Christ.There are scientific references in the Bible but it was not intended to be a detailed scientific manual, just as a scientific research paper or textbook is not a spiritual guide as atheistic evangelists like Dawkins try to imply that they are.

You asked about why God did not address evolution in the Bible, He did, he revealed it as a lie.

Gen 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

Gen 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Isa 48:12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.
Isa 48:13 Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.

Job 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.
Job 26:8 He bindeth up the waters in his thick clouds; and the cloud is not rent under them.
Job 26:9 He holdeth back the face of his throne, and spreadeth his cloud upon it.
Job 26:10 He hath compassed the waters with bounds, until the day and night come to an end.
Job 26:11 The pillars of heaven tremble and are astonished at his reproof.
Job 26:12 He divideth the sea with his power, and by his understanding he smiteth through the proud.
Job 26:13 By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent.
Job 26:14 Lo, these are parts of his ways: but how little a portion is heard of him? but the thunder of his power who can understand?

[QUOTE="DrinkDuff"][QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="DrinkDuff"]

The Universe was not obligated to prove its existence either but yet, there it is, everywhere around us waiting for us to discover new things about it. How come God couldn't be nice enough to leave us some real hard evidence about His existence?

blackregiment

Funny you should mention the universe. The hundreds of fine tuned Anthropic factors in the universe that are precisely fine tuned to allow life to exist on earth are some of the evidence. That is why fewer and fewer astro-physicists reject the truth of a Creator God.

Theoretical physicist Stephen Hawking mentions the ratio between the masses of the proton and the electron as one of the many fundamental numbers in nature, and comments, "The remarkable fact is that the values of these numbers seem to have been very finely adjusted to make possible the development of life."

Stephen W. Hawking
A Brief History of Time—From the Big Bang to Black Holes
New York: Bantam Books, 1988, p. 125

"Every one of these forces must have just the right strength if there is to be any possibility of life. For example, if electrical forces were much stronger than they are, then no element heavier than hydrogen could form ... But electrical repulsion cannot be too weak. if it were, protons would combine too easily, and the sun ...(assuming that it had somehow managed to exist up to now) would explode like a thermonuclear bomb."

Richard Morris
The Fate of the Universe
New York: Playboy Press, 1982, p. 153

"For the scientist who has lived by faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries."

Robert Jastrow
God and the Astronomers

I never denied the possibility of a creator, I just don't think I'm ready to believe in the christian God when all of the evidence for His existence is within the bible.

You actually think that the Bible was revealed as a detailed scientific manual? The Bible is a record of God's historical interaction with His creation, a revelation of Himself and His plan of salvation for mankind in Jesus Christ.There are scientific references in the Bible but it was not intended to be a detailed scientific manual, just as a scientific research paper or textbook is not a spiritual guide as atheistic evangelists like Dawkins try to imply that they are.

You asked about why God did not address evolution in the Bible, He did, he revealed it as a lie.

Gen 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

Gen 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Isa 48:12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.
Isa 48:13 Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.

Job 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.
Job 26:8 He bindeth up the waters in his thick clouds; and the cloud is not rent under them.
Job 26:9 He holdeth back the face of his throne, and spreadeth his cloud upon it.
Job 26:10 He hath compassed the waters with bounds, until the day and night come to an end.
Job 26:11 The pillars of heaven tremble and are astonished at his reproof.
Job 26:12 He divideth the sea with his power, and by his understanding he smiteth through the proud.
Job 26:13 By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent.
Job 26:14 Lo, these are parts of his ways: but how little a portion is heard of him? but the thunder of his power who can understand?

Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Those only contradict evolution if you assume biblical literalism.

I'm a Christian and i think good people would go to heaven.

For me being a Christian is about following the path of Christ (doing good, helping the poor, etc.).

People shouldn't take the Bible TOO LITERALLY. It's open to many interpretations.

You actually think that the Bible was revealed as a detailed scientific manual? The Bible is a record of God's historical interaction with His creation, a revelation of Himself and His plan of salvation for mankind in Jesus Christ.There are scientific references in the Bible but it was not intended to be a detailed scientific manual, just as a scientific research paper or textbook is not a spiritual guide as atheistic evangelists like Dawkins try to imply that they are.

You asked about why God did not address evolution in the Bible, He did, he revealed it as a lie.

blackregiment

Do you not see the little contradiction in here?

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

You actually think that the Bible was revealed as a detailed scientific manual? The Bible is a record of God's historical interaction with His creation, a revelation of Himself and His plan of salvation for mankind in Jesus Christ.There are scientific references in the Bible but it was not intended to be a detailed scientific manual, just as a scientific research paper or textbook is not a spiritual guide as atheistic evangelists like Dawkins try to imply that they are.

You asked about why God did not address evolution in the Bible, He did, he revealed it as a lie.

Theokhoth

Do you not see the little contradiction in here?

No contradiction. First Blackregiment said that the Bible is not a scientific manual. Secondly, he said that it was not intended to be so and thirdly, he said that Evolution is addressed in the Bible. But by no means did he say that it addresses the issue of Evolution in a way that a scientific research paper would. He wasn't saying that the Bible is not like a scientific manual, and then that it was, only that it clearly shows why a specific concept of Science is wrong.

WoW, look at a woman with lust in your heart is a bad thing? Listen, I don't know who you think you are but if someone didn't look at someone else with lust in their heart then your fallen sinner a** would not be here so you should probably respect the fact that the humans have these emotions and feelings.

crazymaghie123

I can see that you lack an understanding of God's plan for males and females, united as one in love through His institution of marriage. Your post I full of false assumptions that are rooted in this lack of wisdom of the things of God.

God created males and females to join together as one in love through marriage as partners, for procreation, and pleasure. Sex within the confines of marriage is not lust.It is a blessing from God andjoyful experience. Lust and sex outside of marriage is sinful.

Gen 2:24Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

Mar 10:6ButfromthebeginningofthecreationGodmadethemmaleandfemale.

Mar 10:7For this causeshallamanleavehisfatherandmother,andcleavetohiswife;

Mar 10:8Andtheytwainshallbeoneflesh:so thentheyareno moretwain,butoneflesh.

Lust is unclean thoughts about the opposite sex outside of God's institution of marriage.

Mat 5:27Ye haveheardthatitwassaidbythem of old time,Thoushaltnotcommit adultery:

Mat 5:28ButIsayuntoyou,Thatwhosoeverlookethonawomantolustafterherhathcommitted adulterywithheralreadyinhisheart.

When you die god is going to be saying "hey man, thanks for the devotion and all but I intended you to have fun with your life not just sit on the forums and preech things all day long"

crazymaghie123

This comment shows that you do not understand the joy that serving the Lord brings into one's heart. It is based on a false premise that Christians do not have fun in this life and also the false premise that having fun, as you define it, is what the purpose of life is.

I hope when you die you feel fulfilled but just sitting around on forums all day preaching just doesn't seem like something a true faithful man would do. Yes, there are all these fools out there before you that have lead the way saying "oh spread our religion, its the best one, its the true one, jesus christ is more than a great great great man! He has to be some sort of god that can transmute water into wine and walk on water, he can't be respected for his great deeds without being a magician"..but the fact is, god intended you to have a good life. The people you're preaching too are not listening. You know why? Because we are enjoying our lives like god or whoever intended us too.

crazymaghie123

More false assumptions. If choose to ignore the good news of the Gospel, that is your choice but here is the real reason.

2Co 4:3But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

2Co 4:4In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Isa 44:18They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand.

You know what you should do? Go outside and enjoy gods great play ground. Don't read the bible that was written by man! don't stay inside worshipping all day or just sitting on the forums. Enjoy the Earth man it was created for you.The more you waste your time preeching the less you will have time to enjoy Earth. I don't give a s*** how good your eutopia is Earth intend to enjoy it to the fullest.

crazymaghie123

Yet more advice based on false assumptions. You cannot possibly know how I live my life from a feew posts on the internet. Thanks for the "preaching", however, I do not take spiritual advice from non-believers.

I believe in respecting the fellow man and leaving the earth a better place than when I entered it. You say every man is in need of a savior, so you blame your "lieing, stealing, and heterosexuality" on not being saved by christ instead of just taking responsibility for yourself to become better.

crazymaghie123

I don't make the rules, God does. Those are not my words, they are God's. Reject them if you wish. God is not going to force Himself on anyone that chooses to reject Him.

Here is what God has said.

Rom 3:23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Rom 3:10As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

Rom 6:23For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

You actually think that the Bible was revealed as a detailed scientific manual? The Bible is a record of God's historical interaction with His creation, a revelation of Himself and His plan of salvation for mankind in Jesus Christ.There are scientific references in the Bible but it was not intended to be a detailed scientific manual, just as a scientific research paper or textbook is not a spiritual guide as atheistic evangelists like Dawkins try to imply that they are.

You asked about why God did not address evolution in the Bible, He did, he revealed it as a lie.

Theokhoth

Do you not see the little contradiction in here?

Only in your mind.

[QUOTE="DrinkDuff"][QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="DrinkDuff"]

The Universe was not obligated to prove its existence either but yet, there it is, everywhere around us waiting for us to discover new things about it. How come God couldn't be nice enough to leave us some real hard evidence about His existence?

blackregiment

Funny you should mention the universe. The hundreds of fine tuned Anthropic factors in the universe that are precisely fine tuned to allow life to exist on earth are some of the evidence. That is why fewer and fewer astro-physicists reject the truth of a Creator God.

Theoretical physicist Stephen Hawking mentions the ratio between the masses of the proton and the electron as one of the many fundamental numbers in nature, and comments, "The remarkable fact is that the values of these numbers seem to have been very finely adjusted to make possible the development of life."

Stephen W. Hawking
A Brief History of Time—From the Big Bang to Black Holes
New York: Bantam Books, 1988, p. 125

"Every one of these forces must have just the right strength if there is to be any possibility of life. For example, if electrical forces were much stronger than they are, then no element heavier than hydrogen could form ... But electrical repulsion cannot be too weak. if it were, protons would combine too easily, and the sun ...(assuming that it had somehow managed to exist up to now) would explode like a thermonuclear bomb."

Richard Morris
The Fate of the Universe
New York: Playboy Press, 1982, p. 153

"For the scientist who has lived by faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries."

Robert Jastrow
God and the Astronomers

I never denied the possibility of a creator, I just don't think I'm ready to believe in the christian God when all of the evidence for His existence is within the bible.

You actually think that the Bible was revealed as a detailed scientific manual? The Bible is a record of God's historical interaction with His creation, a revelation of Himself and His plan of salvation for mankind in Jesus Christ.There are scientific references in the Bible but it was not intended to be a detailed scientific manual, just as a scientific research paper or textbook is not a spiritual guide as atheistic evangelists like Dawkins try to imply that they are.

You asked about why God did not address evolution in the Bible, He did, he revealed it as a lie.

Gen 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

Gen 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Isa 48:12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.
Isa 48:13 Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.

Job 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.
Job 26:8 He bindeth up the waters in his thick clouds; and the cloud is not rent under them.
Job 26:9 He holdeth back the face of his throne, and spreadeth his cloud upon it.
Job 26:10 He hath compassed the waters with bounds, until the day and night come to an end.
Job 26:11 The pillars of heaven tremble and are astonished at his reproof.
Job 26:12 He divideth the sea with his power, and by his understanding he smiteth through the proud.
Job 26:13 By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent.
Job 26:14 Lo, these are parts of his ways: but how little a portion is heard of him? but the thunder of his power who can understand?

Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

That explanation would be all fine and dandy if there wasn't so much evidence of evolution on earth. Just because the bible presents the idea of creation does not mean it is addressing evolution, let alone disproving it. There is more evidence of evolution than of the christian God creating the earth, unless you want to ignore that scientific evidence, and then of course you would have to pretend our modern technologies were just materialized from faith and not from research and through use of the scientific process. I hate to break it to you, but the earth is also a lot older than the bible makes it out to be. It's been proven through carbon dating (of fossils) that the earth is at least millions of years old, and its evidenced to be around 4.54 billion years old. If the bible was truly the word of god, there wouldn't be so many mistakes inaccuracies passed off as truth, because God should know how He created the Earth and all of its creations right?

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="DrinkDuff"][QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="DrinkDuff"]

The Universe was not obligated to prove its existence either but yet, there it is, everywhere around us waiting for us to discover new things about it. How come God couldn't be nice enough to leave us some real hard evidence about His existence?

DrinkDuff

Funny you should mention the universe. The hundreds of fine tuned Anthropic factors in the universe that are precisely fine tuned to allow life to exist on earth are some of the evidence. That is why fewer and fewer astro-physicists reject the truth of a Creator God.

Theoretical physicist Stephen Hawking mentions the ratio between the masses of the proton and the electron as one of the many fundamental numbers in nature, and comments, "The remarkable fact is that the values of these numbers seem to have been very finely adjusted to make possible the development of life."

Stephen W. Hawking
A Brief History of Time—From the Big Bang to Black Holes
New York: Bantam Books, 1988, p. 125

"Every one of these forces must have just the right strength if there is to be any possibility of life. For example, if electrical forces were much stronger than they are, then no element heavier than hydrogen could form ... But electrical repulsion cannot be too weak. if it were, protons would combine too easily, and the sun ...(assuming that it had somehow managed to exist up to now) would explode like a thermonuclear bomb."

Richard Morris
The Fate of the Universe
New York: Playboy Press, 1982, p. 153

"For the scientist who has lived by faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries."

Robert Jastrow
God and the Astronomers

I never denied the possibility of a creator, I just don't think I'm ready to believe in the christian God when all of the evidence for His existence is within the bible.

You actually think that the Bible was revealed as a detailed scientific manual? The Bible is a record of God's historical interaction with His creation, a revelation of Himself and His plan of salvation for mankind in Jesus Christ.There are scientific references in the Bible but it was not intended to be a detailed scientific manual, just as a scientific research paper or textbook is not a spiritual guide as atheistic evangelists like Dawkins try to imply that they are.

You asked about why God did not address evolution in the Bible, He did, he revealed it as a lie.

Gen 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

Gen 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Isa 48:12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.
Isa 48:13 Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.

Job 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.
Job 26:8 He bindeth up the waters in his thick clouds; and the cloud is not rent under them.
Job 26:9 He holdeth back the face of his throne, and spreadeth his cloud upon it.
Job 26:10 He hath compassed the waters with bounds, until the day and night come to an end.
Job 26:11 The pillars of heaven tremble and are astonished at his reproof.
Job 26:12 He divideth the sea with his power, and by his understanding he smiteth through the proud.
Job 26:13 By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent.
Job 26:14 Lo, these are parts of his ways: but how little a portion is heard of him? but the thunder of his power who can understand?

Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

That explanation would be all fine and dandy if there wasn't so much evidence of evolution on earth. Just because the bible presents the idea of creation does not mean it is addressing evolution, let alone disproving it. There is more evidence of evolution than of the christian God creating the earth, unless you want to ignore that scientific evidence, and then of course you would have to pretend our modern technologies were just materialized from faith and not from research and through use of the scientific process. I hate to break it to you, but the earth is also a lot older than the bible makes it out to be. It's been proven through carbon dating (of fossils) that the earth is at least millions of years old, and its evidenced to be around 4.54 billion years old. If the bible was truly the word of god, there wouldn't be so many mistakes inaccuracies passed off as truth, because God should know how He created the Earth and all of its creations right?

The Bible does not address the age of the earth. Carbon dating has been proven to be subject to error and is based on unproven assumptions, as are other dating methods. The odds of life originating by random accident, for even the simplest cell have been calculated to be one in 10 to the 40,000 power. Anything with a probability of smaller than 1 in 10 to the 50th power is considered impossible. Show me one single case of biogenesis. Show me one single case, not based on speculation, of a living transitional animal species. There are no scientific mistakes in the Bible. In fact, science has confirmed that the universe had a beginning where it used to be accepted that it was eternal. There is only one truth and science will conform to that truth.

The odds of life originating by random accident, for even the simplest cell have been calculated to be one in 10 to the 40,000 power.

blackregiment

1. I detect God-of-the-gaps.

2. Source?