Do you think Good "Atheists" go to Hell?

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#401 legend26
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="blackregiment"]Fear Godblackregiment

I refuse. Even if I believed in him, I would refuse.

That is your free will choice but along with it comes consequences.

"For the unbeliever, the fear of God is to fear the judgment of God and eternal death, which is eternal separation from God (Luke 12:5; Hebrews 10:31). For the believer, the fear of God is something much different. The believer's fear is reverence of God. Hebrews 12:28-29 is a good description of this, "Therefore, since we receive a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us show gratitude, by which we may offer to God an acceptable service with reverence and awe; for our God is a consuming fire." This reverence and awe is exactly what the fear of God means for Christians. This is the motivating factor for us to surrender to the Creator of the Universe."

http://www.gotquestions.org/fear-God.html

Heb 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.

.....*sigh*....

there are thousands upon thousands of religions on earth so why should i be afraid of this?

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#402 mrcong
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once again keep thy religion to thy self

your not ganna convert enyone here

legend26

I think its a little rude and presumptious of you to think you can speak for everyone on Gamespot. Where did you get the authority to read the emotions and reactions of the masses? Baal?

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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="blackregiment"]Fear GodTheokhoth

I refuse. Even if I believed in him, I would refuse.

Fearing God is no different from fearing the authorities. . . .do you slow down when you see a cop on the road?

I don't fear the police >_>
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#404 mrcong
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.....*sigh*....

there are thousands upon thousands of religions on earth so why should i be afraid of this?

legend26

Because it is your future

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Despite believing that they are a good person, they are still relying on their own flawed sincerity, which no matter how much they may believe they are right and even if they are, in a human sense, a "good person," does not change the fact that they have sinned yet lack the forgiveness of God. So, in short, yes.RPG10080

Yeah you're right, I mean an atheist who is just a good person in general is worse than a christian who is only good because they believe they will go to hell if they're not...interesting...

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#406 legend26
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[QUOTE="legend26"]

once again keep thy religion to thy self

your not ganna convert enyone here

mrcong

I think its a little rude and presumptious of you to think you can speak for everyone on Gamespot. Where did you get the authority to read the emotions and reactions of the masses? Baal?

...im pretty sure no one here is going to convert just becouse afew people are preeching on a VIDEOGAME website

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#407 blackregiment
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[QUOTE="helium_flash"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]I think every decent person should get into heaven on the basis that they don't deserve eternal suffering.DrinkDuff
Exactly. If heaven and hell exist, I think any merciful god would judge a person based on their morals and how they lived their life, and not who/what they believe in.

Agreed.

The problem is you are not the creator and you do not dictate God's plan. God makes the rules. All men, nyself included are sinners and in need of a Savior. God provided that Savior in Jesus Christ.

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Act 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
Act 4:11 This is the stone which was set at naught of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

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#408 legend26
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[QUOTE="legend26"]

.....*sigh*....

there are thousands upon thousands of religions on earth so why should i be afraid of this?

mrcong

Because it is your future

not ganna work

again what makes you so sure your religion is the true one while there are thousands of other religion that are way older then christianity

forget it, i'll just worship the sun

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#409 blackregiment
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[QUOTE="mrcong"][QUOTE="legend26"]

once again keep thy religion to thy self

your not ganna convert enyone here

legend26

I think its a little rude and presumptious of you to think you can speak for everyone on Gamespot. Where did you get the authority to read the emotions and reactions of the masses? Baal?

...im pretty sure no one here is going to convert just becouse afew people are preeching on a VIDEOGAME website

We do not convert any one. Only the Holy Spirt can convict a person and lead them to a saving knowledge of Christ. All we are doing is spreading the Good News of salvation in Christ in obedience to the Lord. If we did not love you and care about you, we would not be here.
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#410 blackregiment
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[QUOTE="mrcong"][QUOTE="legend26"]

.....*sigh*....

there are thousands upon thousands of religions on earth so why should i be afraid of this?

legend26

Because it is your future

not ganna work

again what makes you so sure your religion is the true one while there are thousands of other religion that are way older then christianity

forget it, i'll just worship the sun

Religions are man's futile attempt to reach up to God. Christianity is God, reaching down to man, in love, fellowship, and eternal salvation. Fufilled prophecy in Christ confirms the truth of Christianity.

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#411 battlefront23
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[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="blackregiment"]Fear Godlegend26

I refuse. Even if I believed in him, I would refuse.

That is your free will choice but along with it comes consequences.

"For the unbeliever, the fear of God is to fear the judgment of God and eternal death, which is eternal separation from God (Luke 12:5; Hebrews 10:31). For the believer, the fear of God is something much different. The believer's fear is reverence of God. Hebrews 12:28-29 is a good description of this, "Therefore, since we receive a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us show gratitude, by which we may offer to God an acceptable service with reverence and awe; for our God is a consuming fire." This reverence and awe is exactly what the fear of God means for Christians. This is the motivating factor for us to surrender to the Creator of the Universe."

http://www.gotquestions.org/fear-God.html

Heb 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.

.....*sigh*....

there are thousands upon thousands of religions on earth so why should i be afraid of this?

Tell me which religion has their God die for his followers.

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#412 legend26
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[QUOTE="legend26"][QUOTE="mrcong"][QUOTE="legend26"]

once again keep thy religion to thy self

your not ganna convert enyone here

blackregiment

I think its a little rude and presumptious of you to think you can speak for everyone on Gamespot. Where did you get the authority to read the emotions and reactions of the masses? Baal?

...im pretty sure no one here is going to convert just becouse afew people are preeching on a VIDEOGAME website

We do not convert any one. Only the Holy Spirt can convict a person and lead them to a saving knowledge of Christ. All we are doing is spreading the Good News of salvation in Christ in obedience to the Lord. If we did not love you and care about you, we would not be here.

....thats trying to convert people

i'll say it again keep thy religion to thy self

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[QUOTE="RPG10080"]Despite believing that they are a good person, they are still relying on their own flawed sincerity, which no matter how much they may believe they are right and even if they are, in a human sense, a "good person," does not change the fact that they have sinned yet lack the forgiveness of God. So, in short, yes.crazymaghie123

Yeah you're right, I mean an atheist who is just a good person in general is worse than a christian who is only good because they believe they will go to hell if they're not...interesting...

No one, Christian or atheist is good. All men are fallen sinners and in need of a Savior. Have you ever told a lie, I have. Have you ever stolen anything, I have. Have you ever coveted something someone else had, I have. Have you ever looked at a woman with lust in your heart, I have.

We all are sinners. Without faith in Christ, we will all perish.

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#414 battlefront23
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[QUOTE="blackregiment"][QUOTE="legend26"][QUOTE="mrcong"][QUOTE="legend26"]

once again keep thy religion to thy self

your not ganna convert enyone here

legend26

I think its a little rude and presumptious of you to think you can speak for everyone on Gamespot. Where did you get the authority to read the emotions and reactions of the masses? Baal?

...im pretty sure no one here is going to convert just becouse afew people are preeching on a VIDEOGAME website

We do not convert any one. Only the Holy Spirt can convict a person and lead them to a saving knowledge of Christ. All we are doing is spreading the Good News of salvation in Christ in obedience to the Lord. If we did not love you and care about you, we would not be here.

....thats trying to convert people

i'll say it again keep thy religion to thy self

Talking about God is converting... hmm that's news to me.

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[QUOTE="crazymaghie123"]

[QUOTE="RPG10080"]Despite believing that they are a good person, they are still relying on their own flawed sincerity, which no matter how much they may believe they are right and even if they are, in a human sense, a "good person," does not change the fact that they have sinned yet lack the forgiveness of God. So, in short, yes.blackregiment

Yeah you're right, I mean an atheist who is just a good person in general is worse than a christian who is only good because they believe they will go to hell if they're not...interesting...

No one, Christian or atheist is good. All men are fallen sinners and in need of a Savior. Have you ever told a lie, I have. Have you ever stolen anything, I have. Have you ever coveted something someone else had, I have. Have you ever looked at a woman with lust in your heart, I have.

We all are sinners. Without faith in Christ, we will all perish.

What do you feel like you contribute to these threads?
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#416 blackregiment
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[QUOTE="blackregiment"][QUOTE="legend26"][QUOTE="mrcong"][QUOTE="legend26"]

once again keep thy religion to thy self

your not ganna convert enyone here

legend26

I think its a little rude and presumptious of you to think you can speak for everyone on Gamespot. Where did you get the authority to read the emotions and reactions of the masses? Baal?

...im pretty sure no one here is going to convert just becouse afew people are preeching on a VIDEOGAME website

We do not convert any one. Only the Holy Spirt can convict a person and lead them to a saving knowledge of Christ. All we are doing is spreading the Good News of salvation in Christ in obedience to the Lord. If we did not love you and care about you, we would not be here.

....thats trying to convert people

i'll say it again keep thy religion to thy self

You sir, have no right to limit the free speech of anyone. No one is trying to limit your right to free speech and you need to respect the free speech rights of others.

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#417 blackregiment
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[QUOTE="blackregiment"][QUOTE="crazymaghie123"]

[QUOTE="RPG10080"]Despite believing that they are a good person, they are still relying on their own flawed sincerity, which no matter how much they may believe they are right and even if they are, in a human sense, a "good person," does not change the fact that they have sinned yet lack the forgiveness of God. So, in short, yes.Jandurin

Yeah you're right, I mean an atheist who is just a good person in general is worse than a christian who is only good because they believe they will go to hell if they're not...interesting...

No one, Christian or atheist is good. All men are fallen sinners and in need of a Savior. Have you ever told a lie, I have. Have you ever stolen anything, I have. Have you ever coveted something someone else had, I have. Have you ever looked at a woman with lust in your heart, I have.

We all are sinners. Without faith in Christ, we will all perish.

What do you feel like you contribute to these threads?

Seeds of truth from God's Word.

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Seeds of truth from God's Word.

blackregiment
I lol'd :)
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[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

Seeds of truth from God's Word.

Jandurin

I lol'd :)

Why do you lol? Just because he uses God's Word?

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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="blackregiment"]

Seeds of truth from God's Word.

battlefront23

I lol'd :)

Why do you lol? Just because he uses God's Word?

Why don't you lol?
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#421 battlefront23
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[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="blackregiment"]

Seeds of truth from God's Word.

Jandurin

I lol'd :)

Why do you lol? Just because he uses God's Word?

Why don't you lol?

There's nothing to laugh at, thats why. :|

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#422 legend26
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[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="blackregiment"]

Seeds of truth from God's Word.

Jandurin

I lol'd :)

Why do you lol? Just because he uses God's Word?

Why don't you lol?

why so serious?

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Seeds of truth from God's Word.

blackregiment
Ok, this is where I just can't bear religion... 'Seeds of TRUTH'? Truth? If you believe in Christianity or whatever religion or faith you want to believe in then fine; DO NOT tell others that their belief is wrong; seriously, are you a member of that church who picket at funerals telling the family of the deceased that he/she is going to hell? Please don't preach to us with your 'truth'...
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There's nothing to laugh at, thats why. :|

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That dude is full of nothing but canned responses.
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#425 blackregiment
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[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="blackregiment"]Fear Godlegend26

I refuse. Even if I believed in him, I would refuse.

That is your free will choice but along with it comes consequences.

"For the unbeliever, the fear of God is to fear the judgment of God and eternal death, which is eternal separation from God (Luke 12:5; Hebrews 10:31). For the believer, the fear of God is something much different. The believer's fear is reverence of God. Hebrews 12:28-29 is a good description of this, "Therefore, since we receive a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us show gratitude, by which we may offer to God an acceptable service with reverence and awe; for our God is a consuming fire." This reverence and awe is exactly what the fear of God means for Christians. This is the motivating factor for us to surrender to the Creator of the Universe."

http://www.gotquestions.org/fear-God.html

Heb 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.

.....*sigh*....

there are thousands upon thousands of religions on earth so why should i be afraid of this?

You should be filled with joy that God loves us enough to provide us with a path to eternal life. The Bible tells us that all men are sinners and that the penalty for sin is eternal death, separation from God. God provides us with a path in Christ to avoid the penalty we deserve to pay for our sins.

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You should be filled with joy that God loves us enough to provide us with a path to eternal life. The Bible tells us that all men are sinners and that the penalty for sin is eternal death, separation from God. God provides us with a path in Christ to avoid the penalty we deserve to pay for our sins.

blackregiment
All you do is quote. I've never seen you discuss. Or talk. Or converse. Or however you want to put it. Why go on a forum just to copy/paste?
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Arrrghghghg....I always find these threads after they've gone on for fourteen pages. I'll put in my two cents anyhow...

If a God demands that I worship it or suffer eternal damnation until the end of time after I die if I don't, that is a God that I would never, everworship in the first place. I live my life as a good person, I have a good heart, and don't need to confess nor give myself to something that I see no existence of in the first place.

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#428 legend26
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[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

Seeds of truth from God's Word.

super_mario_128

Ok, this is where I just can't bear religion... 'Seeds of TRUTH'? Truth? If you believe in Christianity or whatever religion or faith you want to believe in then fine; DO NOT tell others that their belief is wrong; seriously, are you a member of that church who picket at funerals telling the family of the deceased that he/she is going to hell? Please don't preach to us with your 'truth'...

which is why i say "KEEP THY RELIGION TO THY SELF!"

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#429 blackregiment
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[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

Seeds of truth from God's Word.

super_mario_128

Ok, this is where I just can't bear religion... 'Seeds of TRUTH'? Truth? If you believe in Christianity or whatever religion or faith you want to believe in then fine; DO NOT tell others that their belief is wrong; seriously, are you a member of that church who picket at funerals telling the family of the deceased that he/she is going to hell? Please don't preach to us with your 'truth'...

Is that your "preaching" of your truth?Sure sounds like preaching to me!

There is no need for insults. I condemn the actions of that Church. They are not following Christ.

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#430 legend26
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[QUOTE="legend26"][QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="blackregiment"]Fear Godblackregiment

I refuse. Even if I believed in him, I would refuse.

That is your free will choice but along with it comes consequences.

"For the unbeliever, the fear of God is to fear the judgment of God and eternal death, which is eternal separation from God (Luke 12:5; Hebrews 10:31). For the believer, the fear of God is something much different. The believer's fear is reverence of God. Hebrews 12:28-29 is a good description of this, "Therefore, since we receive a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us show gratitude, by which we may offer to God an acceptable service with reverence and awe; for our God is a consuming fire." This reverence and awe is exactly what the fear of God means for Christians. This is the motivating factor for us to surrender to the Creator of the Universe."

http://www.gotquestions.org/fear-God.html

Heb 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.

.....*sigh*....

there are thousands upon thousands of religions on earth so why should i be afraid of this?

You should be filled with joy that God loves us enough to provide us with a path to eternal life. The Bible tells us that all men are sinners and that the penalty for sin is eternal death, separation from God. God provides us with a path in Christ to avoid the penalty we deserve to pay for our sins.

your not answering enything!

your just quoting bible text!

i want a simple answer

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That does not matter. You still have to face God on Judgement Day whether you believe it or not. If I step onto the freeway when a massive truck is heading for me and I say, "I don't believe in trucks", my lack of belief isn't going to change reality.Crushmaster
That argument is flawed. Unlike trucks, no one can prove that God exists. You kinda have to believe in something that you know exists.
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#432 blackregiment
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Arrrghghghg....I always find these threads after they've gone on for fourteen pages. I'll put in my two cents anyhow...

If a God demands that I worship it or suffer eternal damnation until the end of time after I die if I don't, that is a God that I would never, everworship in the first place. I live my life as a good person, I have a good heart, and don't need to confess nor give myself to something that I see no existence of in the first place.

Rekunta

Don't worry, our loving God will not force Himself on you. He gave you a free will to reject Him if you choose. He will be faithful in respecting your choice and faithfully give you the destination you choose.

By the way, why do you feel God owes you anything other than the life He has already given you?

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#433 super_mario_128
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[QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="blackregiment"]

Seeds of truth from God's Word.

blackregiment

Ok, this is where I just can't bear religion... 'Seeds of TRUTH'? Truth? If you believe in Christianity or whatever religion or faith you want to believe in then fine; DO NOT tell others that their belief is wrong; seriously, are you a member of that church who picket at funerals telling the family of the deceased that he/she is going to hell? Please don't preach to us with your 'truth'...

Is that your "preaching" of your truth?Sure sounds like preaching to me!

There is no need for insults. I condemn the actions of that Church. They are not following Christ.

Insults? Where did I insult you? That was not my intention. My point remains valid though, and you're now shoving words in my mouth. What I said may be considered preaching in a way; did I convince you to change your belief and perception of the Universe? I cannot see that I did. This is what I think you're doing and I told you that it's just annoying, you preaching to us; telling us that your opinion is TRUTH and ours is false and because of that we will suffer eternal damnation. If you want to discuss something, I'm up for that; all you're doing is quoting the Bible. :?

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I just think athiest harden their hearts to god because of their pride, etc. They don't want to admit what they did was wrong, because of their pride.

And woe to you who has false beliefs, yeah even us christians know about the multitudes of religion, I dont like them myself. The difference between chrisitanity and other religions, is it is a personal relationship with a real god. Not just trying to make good points in heaven.

There is non righteous, we are not trying to prove we are better people, we are just trying to hand down what we found out, to others, so they can benefit like we did. Getting saved, having assurance of eternal life, what is so wrong about that. What is the rational reason to hate god, what point is there, you might say "how can I hate him, when he does not exist." Your just in denial, you just pretend that he does not exist, because you dont want him to exist. Heck I have done it before...

John

"1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men."


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#435 legend26
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[QUOTE="Rekunta"]

Arrrghghghg....I always find these threads after they've gone on for fourteen pages. I'll put in my two cents anyhow...

If a God demands that I worship it or suffer eternal damnation until the end of time after I die if I don't, that is a God that I would never, everworship in the first place. I live my life as a good person, I have a good heart, and don't need to confess nor give myself to something that I see no existence of in the first place.

blackregiment

Don't worry, our loving God will not force Himself on you. He gave you a free will to reject Him if you choose. He will be faithful in respecting your choice and faithfully give you the destination you choose.

By the way, why do you feel God owes you anything other than the life He has already given you?

see now, you are forceing your religion on him, now THAT is disrespectful

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[QUOTE="Crushmaster"]
That does not matter. You still have to face God on Judgement Day whether you believe it or not. If I step onto the freeway when a massive truck is heading for me and I say, "I don't believe in trucks", my lack of belief isn't going to change reality.DrinkDuff
That argument is flawed. Unlike trucks, no one can prove that God exists.

God is not obligated to "prove" Himself to you on your terms. Do you think you are greater than the Creator. There is a mountain of evidence for God's existence. You just choose not to see it. There will come day a day when you will have no choice but to believe He exists. If that day comes before you have accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior, it will be too late.

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[QUOTE="blackregiment"][QUOTE="Rekunta"]

Arrrghghghg....I always find these threads after they've gone on for fourteen pages. I'll put in my two cents anyhow...

If a God demands that I worship it or suffer eternal damnation until the end of time after I die if I don't, that is a God that I would never, everworship in the first place. I live my life as a good person, I have a good heart, and don't need to confess nor give myself to something that I see no existence of in the first place.

legend26

Don't worry, our loving God will not force Himself on you. He gave you a free will to reject Him if you choose. He will be faithful in respecting your choice and faithfully give you the destination you choose.

By the way, why do you feel God owes you anything other than the life He has already given you?

see now, you are forceing your religion on him, now THAT is disrespectful

How is he forcing religion on him? He is showing a point, which I interpret to be valid. He asked a question to him, not yell, ACCEPT MY RELIGION OR GO TO HELL, yes, it's exaggerated.

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#438 blackregiment
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[QUOTE="blackregiment"][QUOTE="Rekunta"]

Arrrghghghg....I always find these threads after they've gone on for fourteen pages. I'll put in my two cents anyhow...

If a God demands that I worship it or suffer eternal damnation until the end of time after I die if I don't, that is a God that I would never, everworship in the first place. I live my life as a good person, I have a good heart, and don't need to confess nor give myself to something that I see no existence of in the first place.

legend26

Don't worry, our loving God will not force Himself on you. He gave you a free will to reject Him if you choose. He will be faithful in respecting your choice and faithfully give you the destination you choose.

By the way, why do you feel God owes you anything other than the life He has already given you?

see now, you are forceing your religion on him, now THAT is disrespectful

That is a red herring. No one can "force" anyone to do anything on an internet forum. Get real!

I will give you that God's Word can begin to convict one's heart. Is that what frightens you and makes you so uncomfortble?

Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

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#439 legend26
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I just think athiest harden their hearts to god because of their pride, etc. They don't want to admit what they did was wrong, because of their pride.

And woe to you who has false beliefs, yeah even us christians know about the multitudes of religion, I dont like them myself. The difference between chrisitanity and other religions, is it is a personal relationship with a real god. Not just trying to make good points in heaven.

There is non righteous, we are not trying to prove we are better people, we are just trying to hand down what we found out, to others, so they can benefit like we did. Getting saved, having assurance of eternal life, what is so wrong about that. What is the rational reason to hate god, what point is there, you might say "how can I hate him, when he does not exist." Your just in denial, you just pretend that he does not exist, because you dont want him to exist. Heck I have done it before...

John

"1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men."

SegaGenesisfan

some people dont want to hear what you say, oohh and do you know what happend to christians who tried to spread thier faith all over the world?

they destroyed native american culture, they destroyed mayin culture, they destroyed many other ancient cultures, they destroyed eny other religion or culture they thought was "the devils"

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[QUOTE="DrinkDuff"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"]
That does not matter. You still have to face God on Judgement Day whether you believe it or not. If I step onto the freeway when a massive truck is heading for me and I say, "I don't believe in trucks", my lack of belief isn't going to change reality.blackregiment

That argument is flawed. Unlike trucks, no one can prove that God exists.

God is not obligated to "prove" Himself to you on your terms. Do you think you are greater than the Creator. There is a mountain of evidence for God's existence. You just choose not to see it. There will come day a day when you will have no choice but to believe He exists. If that day comes before you have accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior, it will be too late.

Question: Where is this 'Mountain of Evidence' for the existence of God? Listen, I'm agnostic; I'm not completely against the idea of a God; show me this mountain of evidence, though...

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#441 legend26
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[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="DrinkDuff"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"]
That does not matter. You still have to face God on Judgement Day whether you believe it or not. If I step onto the freeway when a massive truck is heading for me and I say, "I don't believe in trucks", my lack of belief isn't going to change reality.super_mario_128

That argument is flawed. Unlike trucks, no one can prove that God exists.

God is not obligated to "prove" Himself to you on your terms. Do you think you are greater than the Creator. There is a mountain of evidence for God's existence. You just choose not to see it. There will come day a day when you will have no choice but to believe He exists. If that day comes before you have accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior, it will be too late.

Question: Where is this 'Mountain of Evidence' for the existence of God? Listen, I'm agnostic; I'm not completely against the idea of a God; show me this mountain of evidence, though...

theres your mountain of evidence

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#442 blackregiment
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[QUOTE="blackregiment"][QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="blackregiment"]

Seeds of truth from God's Word.

super_mario_128

Ok, this is where I just can't bear religion... 'Seeds of TRUTH'? Truth? If you believe in Christianity or whatever religion or faith you want to believe in then fine; DO NOT tell others that their belief is wrong; seriously, are you a member of that church who picket at funerals telling the family of the deceased that he/she is going to hell? Please don't preach to us with your 'truth'...

Is that your "preaching" of your truth?Sure sounds like preaching to me!

There is no need for insults. I condemn the actions of that Church. They are not following Christ.

Insults? Where did I insult you? That was not my intention. My point remains valid though, and you're now shoving words in my mouth. What I said may be considered preaching in a way; did I convince you to change your belief and perception of the Universe? I cannot see that I did. This is what I think you're doing and I told you that it's just annoying, you preaching to us; telling us that your opinion is TRUTH and ours is false and because of that we will suffer eternal damnation. If you want to discuss something, I'm up for that; all you're doing is quoting the Bible. :?

You tried to do a "drive-by" association between me and the hate filled Church. Don't deny it. Fess up.

By the way, no one is "forcing you" to read my posts or this thread. The only one forcing you is yourself.

My opinion or beliefs mean nothing. God's Word is what matters. Our beliefs and opinions do not determint truth in reality.

There is only one truth. I have found it and will never leave it for the lies of this world.

2Co 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Isa 44:18 They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand.

Feel free to reject anything that I say. You owe it to find the truth for yourself. Eternity is a loooong time.

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[QUOTE="xXSecksXx"]I think God or Christ is forgiving. I think if you live a really nice life, help a lot of people God or Christ will forgive you and allow you into heaven. Although the bible says otherwise. BTW is it OK to believe in Christ and God and not go to church? Crushmaster

The Bible was written by men divinely guided by God, and it says that, "All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God."
We, as imperfect, flawed humans, are undone before a Holy, Just God.
However, God provided a way for us to be saved - through His Son, Jesus Christ.
When we accept Him into our heart and repent of our sins, our sins are then covered by His blood.
God, though, as I said, is also a Holy and Just God, and as such He cannot allow sin in His presence.
That is why Christ's blood has to cover our sins; that is why He died on the Cross of Calvary two thousand years ago.
Those who accept Christ into their hearts are then His Children; and are on their way to heaven.
...But, those who do not accept Christ are still lost in their sins, and are on their way to a devil's hell.
That message is not popular, no - but it is the Bible, and it is the Truth.
One way, one chance: Through Christ, who you can only accept on your time here on earth.

Let me create a scenerio here.

What if I wrote a book over 2000 years ago and then I told everyone that my hand was divinely guided by god and you should believe everything that is written therein because the word of the book is absolute as is the word of God, even though it was really of my own fabrication? And what if it turns out that the purpose of fabricating this message was to get power for the purpose of furthering my own agenda, and got a bunch of people to believe what I want, and do what I want, in a collected, controlled manner? What if the message became popular, was spread across great lengths, and eventually passed down throughout the ages? What if still no one knew that my device for power was still being taught today as a truth of life, a religion as well as philosophy? What if you found out your religion was a 2000 year old hoax created by some power hungry dictator (aka me if I lived 2000 years ago)? I bet you would be pretty disappointed huh.

I'm not that gullible.

I'm not going to believe something just because someone has it written in ink. The pro-religion agenda needs more proof and less faith.

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[QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="DrinkDuff"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"]
That does not matter. You still have to face God on Judgement Day whether you believe it or not. If I step onto the freeway when a massive truck is heading for me and I say, "I don't believe in trucks", my lack of belief isn't going to change reality.legend26

That argument is flawed. Unlike trucks, no one can prove that God exists.

God is not obligated to "prove" Himself to you on your terms. Do you think you are greater than the Creator. There is a mountain of evidence for God's existence. You just choose not to see it. There will come day a day when you will have no choice but to believe He exists. If that day comes before you have accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior, it will be too late.

Question: Where is this 'Mountain of Evidence' for the existence of God? Listen, I'm agnostic; I'm not completely against the idea of a God; show me this mountain of evidence, though...

theres your mountain of evidence

You are right, the Word of God is part of the evidence. See. you are looking for God on an examination table. God has not chosen to reveal himself that way. If He appeared in the sky tomorrow, many would no longer have a free will. God does not want robots. He has revealed Himself in many way, such as in His Creation, His Word, In Christ, in the power of the Holy Spirit to change lives, in fulfilled prophecy, etc. The evidence is there, you just have to seek him with an open mind.

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You tried to do a "drive-by" association between me and the hate filled Church. Don't deny it. Fess up.

By the way, no one is "forcing you" to read my posts or this thread. The only one forcing you is yourself.

My opinion or beliefs mean nothing. God's Word is what matters. Our beliefs and opinions do not determint truth in reality.

There is only one truth. I have found it and will never leave it for the lies of this world.

2Co 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Isa 44:18 They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand.

Feel free to reject anything that I say. You owe it to find the truth for yourself. Eternity is a loooong time.

blackregiment

Yes I did, that's hardly what I'd call an insult though...To be honest, I don't know why I'm even replying. This:

"Feel free to reject anything that I say. You owe it to find the truth for yourself. Eternity is a loooong time."

and quotes similar are the reason I'm arguing with you... I'm glad you're implying that I am damned to eternal suffering just because I do not 'believe'... Also, I'm not 'forcing' myself to do anything. I'm 'choosing' to ask why you feel the need to preach to us uttering 'God's Word' as if it were fact... I don't mind people stating something that contradicts my belief, aslong as said person doesn't try to portray my belief as a 'wrong' one in his or her posts.

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#446 Rekunta
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[QUOTE="Rekunta"]

Arrrghghghg....I always find these threads after they've gone on for fourteen pages. I'll put in my two cents anyhow...

If a God demands that I worship it or suffer eternal damnation until the end of time after I die if I don't, that is a God that I would never, everworship in the first place. I live my life as a good person, I have a good heart, and don't need to confess nor give myself to something that I see no existence of in the first place.

blackregiment

Don't worry, our loving God will not force Himself on you. He gave you a free will to reject Him if you choose. He will be faithful in respecting your choice and faithfully give you the destination you choose.

By the way, why do you feel God owes you anything other than the life He has already given you?

If It gives me the place of my choosing, then I have no problem. I can't choose in this life, and it is unfair to penalize anyone for using their freewill to make their own decisions based on what they see. That is a God I will not worship either.

Where did you get the idea that I feel God owes me anything?

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[QUOTE="DrinkDuff"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"]
That does not matter. You still have to face God on Judgement Day whether you believe it or not. If I step onto the freeway when a massive truck is heading for me and I say, "I don't believe in trucks", my lack of belief isn't going to change reality.blackregiment

That argument is flawed. Unlike trucks, no one can prove that God exists.

God is not obligated to "prove" Himself to you on your terms. Do you think you are greater than the Creator. There is a mountain of evidence for God's existence. You just choose not to see it. There will come day a day when you will have no choice but to believe He exists. If that day comes before you have accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior, it will be too late.

The Universe was not obligated to prove its existence either but yet, there it is, everywhere around us waiting for us to discover new things about it. How come God couldn't be nice enough to leave us some real hard evidence about His existence?

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Let me create a scenerio here.

What if I wrote a book over 2000 years ago and then I told everyone that my hand was divinely guided by god and you should believe everything that is written therein because the word of the book is absolute as is the word of God, even though it was really of my own fabrication? And what if it turns out that the purpose of fabricating this message was to get power for the purpose of furthering my own agenda, and got a bunch of people to believe what I want, and do what I want, in a collected, controlled manner? What if the message became popular, was spread across great lengths, and eventually passed down throughout the ages? What if still no one knew that my device for power was still being taught today as a truth of life, a religion as well as philosophy? What if you found out your religion was a 2000 year old hoax created by some power hungry dictator (aka me if I lived 2000 years ago)? I bet you would be pretty disappointed that you were so gullible huh.

DrinkDuff

Your whole specualtive scenario is without basis for it excludes many historical facts and realities.

In order to believe that the Bible was "made up" by man you would have to accept many things. Let's just look at the Resurrection.

In order for one not to believe that Jesus is God and rose from the dead, one would have to deny the empty tomb and the Resurrection. .

That would mean that the Apostles and early Christians made up the Resurrection story. Why would they endure such persecution for something they knew was a lie? The Apostles and early Christians were stoned, beheaded, boiled in oil, imprisoned, crucified, scourged, fed to lions, clothed in animal skins and then torn apart by wild beasts, tarred and lit on fire, disemboweled, burnt at the stake, etc., rather than recant their faith.

An explanation would be required as to why the Jewish Priests and Roman authorities that wanted so much to stamp out early Christianity, as evidenced by their persecution of Christians, chose not to display Jesus' body to disprove the claims of the followers of Christ that he had arose from the dead.

Also needing to be explained would be why the Apostles were bold enough to preach the resurrection in Jerusalem, the very city where Christ was crucified, to crowds that lived during those events and could have easily disputed the resurrection claims publically.

Finally, one would need to explain why the early church grew so quickly in a pagan world, especially when it was under intense persecution.

Dr. Simon Greenleaf, Royall Professor of Law at Harvard University and author of A Treatise on the Law of Evidence, examined the value of the historical evidence for the resurrection of Jesus Christ to ascertain the truth. He applied the principles contained in his three-volume treatise on evidence. His findings were recorded in his book, An Examination of the Testimony of the Four Evangelists by the Rules of Evidence Administered in the Courts of Justice. Greenleaf came to the conclusion that, according to the laws of legal evidence used in courts of law, there is more evidence for the historical fact of the resurrection of Jesus Christ than for just about any other event in history.

He was an atheist that came to Christ after honestly and openly reviewing all of the evidence.

Now let's look at the Bible.

The Bible is God's progressive revelation to mankind with the central figure being the true living God, revealed through Jesus Christ the Messiah. Understanding the truths it reveals and applying them to our lives and beliefs is the most important thing we will ever do in our lives. We can ignore it, disbelieve it, or pretend it isn't true, but we cannot change it. Our opinion of the truth of the Bible does not determine whether it is the truth or not.Moral relativism is a lie that many have bought into to their own peril.

The entire Bible is the inerrant, inspired, preserved, revelation from God of Himself, His interaction with and plan of salvation for His creation with Jesus Christ as the central revelation.

The Bible is composed of 66 separate books, written over approximately 1,600 years, by at least 40 distinct authors, from all walks of life, written in three different languages, on three different continents, all in perfect agreement and revealing a consistent message, the path to salvation in Jesus Christ. The Old Testament contains 39 books written from approximately 1500 to 400 BC, and the New Testament contains 27 books written from approximately 40 to 65 AD.

There is no other book that has ever come close to this remarkable achievement and wisdom. Anyone that reads and studies it and cannot see the inspiration and work of God in the Bible just doesn't want to. Try getting 40 people in the same room or on the same internet thread to agree on something and it will be clear that the Bible is God's inspired, inerrant, and preserved Word. Anyone can pick a verse out of the Bible and try to discredit it but when one openly and honestly looks at all of the evidence for the truth of the Bible in its entirety, only one that chooses to remain in rebellion to the Lord will reject it. It has been said, even by secular psychologists, that if one studies the Sermon on the Mount, in the 5th, 6th, and 7th chapters of Matthew, the excellence of the wisdom, guidance, and life lessons of the words and teachings of Jesus in just those verses, surpasses the totality of all advice ever written in the history of man by all psychologists and sociologists that ever lived. Many concede that if all the advice ever written by those experts were condensed down, into one document, the wisdom for living in Jesus' teachings would dwarf them in significance. This is overwhelming evidence for the divine inspiration and truth of the Bible as well as the divinity of Christ.

In the Old Testament

The books of Law reveal the foundation for Christ the Messiah

The historical books reveal the preparation for Christ the Messiah

The books poetic books aspire to Christ the Messiah

The books of prophecy reveal the expectation of Christ the Messiah

In the New Testament

The Gospels reveal the historical manifestation of Christ the Messiah

The Acts reveal the propagation of Christ the messiah

The Epistles reveal the interpretation of Christ the Messiah

Revelation reveals the consummation of all things in Christ the Messiah

God has not revealed His entire plan and everything regarding the natural world to man. Man could not possibly comprehend it with our finite mind. He has revealed what He, as our Creator, wants us to know.

The truth, whether anyone wants to accept it or not, is that without a personal relationship with Jesus Christ through faith in Him as your Lord and Savior, one is lost. God has lovingly provided a path to salvation in Jesus Christ but He will not force anyone to accept His plan. He respects your free will to choose him or reject Him.He does not want a single person to be lost but he will not force Himself on anyone. The choice is your and yours alone. Make your choice freely and God will be faithful in giving you the destiny you choose.

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[QUOTE="blackregiment"]You are right, the Word of God is part of the evidence. See. you are looking for God on an examination table. God has not chosen to reveal himself that way. If He appeared in the sky tomorrow, many would no longer have a free will. God does not want robots. He has revealed Himself in many way, such as in His Creation, His Word, In Christ, in the power of the Holy Spirit to change lives, in fulfilled prophecy, etc. The evidence is there, you just have to seek him with an open mind. Qooroo


Man, your God's a dick. He refuses to provide non-speculative evidence for his existence, but will chuck you into hell for eternity if you don't believe?

Gal 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Gal 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.