French Senate passes ban on full Muslim veils

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="bobaban"] France is very supportive of this motion, 246 to 1. So I think France can do what France wants. Besides a veil is a symbol of oppression against women, NO MATTER what the Koran says. They cannot embrace a women's sexuality so they need to hide and contain it as much as possible. sSubZerOo

... And I am certain thats what women thought centuries ago as well.. In a male dominated society.. Most of these women have no choice in teh matter and have been taught this as the only suitable suggestion.. In teh end though I woudla gree, except it is a secuirty risk.. Some viels cover the entire face to the point you can't even tell what color their eyes are!

France is very supportive of this motion, 246 to 1. So I think France can do what France wants. Besides a veil is a symbol of oppression against women, NO MATTER what the Koran says. They cannot embrace a women's sexuality so they need to hide and contain it as much as possible. bobaban

A. Yes France can. Doesn't make it any less xenophobic though.

B. Be that as it may, is some people prefer to wear it. This has no bearing on its legality at all.

I assume masks are banned as well?

Oleg_Huzwog

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="KlownMaster"]Simple solution for the French would be to just cut back on the amount of Arabs they allow in every year, they can keep their french heritage etc. I can see the US and Canada are cultural mosaics so we must be tolerant to others, but in Europe, accept European customs or leave...I would expect the same treatment in the middle east if I wasen't wearing appropriate clothing.Theokhoth

This law passing has nothign to do with stopping people of Arabic or African decent from coming into the country.. To me this seems like a common sense thing.. Furthermore its a cultural thing, and countries have banned cultural practices in the past.. Such as female circumcision.

That doesn't make a difference, women want that and see it as a right of passage..

Good. France really seems to be the only country in Western Europe willing to take action instead of having endless rounds of chit chat. People that insist on wearing burkas limit themselves from integrating into our society and there is literally no place for them here. Good luck finding a job.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] Yes, the majority wants it, so there. :| A veil is a piece of clothing. YOU Think it's a symbol of oppression; a Muslim woman wearing it may think it's a symbol for humility in the eyes of God. Why should your interpretation be law?Theokhoth

... And I am certain thats what women thought centuries ago as well.. In a male dominated society.. Most of these women have no choice in teh matter and have been taught this as the only suitable suggestion.. In teh end though I woudla gree, except it is a secuirty risk.. Some viels cover the entire face to the point you can't even tell what color their eyes are!

No.. There are veils out there that conceal even more then a ski mask can conceal.. Actually covering their eyes and mouth with a transparent cloth that can make even identifying their eye color impossible.. Even if your wearing sun glasses, a hat, and a hood, your still not gonna get the level of what some of the veils can do.. Not even ski masks come close.

Just look at what France is doing for the gypsies MAZ85

Yes, it's fantastic.

... And I am certain thats what women thought centuries ago as well.. In a male dominated society.. Most of these women have no choice in teh matter and have been taught this as the only suitable choice.. Now not suggesting they are all like that.. In teh end though I woudla gree, except it is a secuirty risk.. Some viels cover the entire face to the point you can't even tell what color their eyes are! And they are fully welcome to wear the rest of their clothing thats religious related.. But I completely understand the security issue with the veil which can literally cover the entire face..

sSubZerOo

Then they can have it required to remove it temporarily for security checks. What exactly is the problem with it in public?

Good. France really seems to be the only country in Western Europe willing to take action instead of having endless rounds of chit chat. People that insist on wearing burkas limit themselves from integrating into our society and there is literally no place for them here. Good luck finding a job.

DraugenCP

[QUOTE="KlepticGrooves"]

You can't walk into a shop with your face covered by Balaclava, so why should you be able to wear a face veil? I see many Muslim women coming out of the Mosque down the road from me, and pretty much every single one of them have a headscalf on, not a face veil.

People living in France should adapt to French values.

Theokhoth

Clearly the French disagree :?

[QUOTE="EdenProxy"][QUOTE="GazaAli"] Oh yes, those evil clothes have been terrorizing people for ages! :roll: Nobody's telling France to change. How the **** are they telling France to change by WEARING A GODDAMN VEIL?Theokhoth

Halloween customes is a once a year thing that worn any other time that conceals the face can have you arrested or ticketed if they want to wear their viels once a year, by all means.. Furthermore hats come no where close to what some of the viels which can compeltely obsecure every part of the face with..

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="KlepticGrooves"]

You can't walk into a shop with your face covered by Balaclava, so why should you be able to wear a face veil? I see many Muslim women coming out of the Mosque down the road from me, and pretty much every single one of them have a headscalf on, not a face veil.

People living in France should adapt to French values.

KlepticGrooves

Clearly the French disagree :?

"the vast majority behind the measure say it will preserve the nation's singular values, including its secular foundationand a notion of fraternity that is contrary to those who hide their faces."

Okay then. Since France is swearing off religion in public, then carrying or wearing anything associated with any kind of religion such as bibles, crucifixes, prayer beads, or stars of david should be outlawed as well. Or are we playing favorites here? :evil:

No.. There are veils out there that conceal even more then a ski mask can conceal.. Actually covering their eyes and mouth with a transparent cloth that can make even identifying their eye color impossible.. Even if your wearing sun glasses, a hat, and a hood, your still not gonna get the level of what some of the veils can do.. Not even ski masks come close.

sSubZerOo

Ski mask + ski glasses easily cover your face completely.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]Now we begin to talk whatever we want. first the Quran says nothing about the veil. Second, I did not know majority means legitimacy. Third, I thought the west is about absolute freedom. EdenProxy

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

... And I am certain thats what women thought centuries ago as well.. In a male dominated society.. Most of these women have no choice in teh matter and have been taught this as the only suitable choice.. Now not suggesting they are all like that.. In teh end though I woudla gree, except it is a secuirty risk.. Some viels cover the entire face to the point you can't even tell what color their eyes are! And they are fully welcome to wear the rest of their clothing thats religious related.. But I completely understand the security issue with the veil which can literally cover the entire face..

metroidfood

Then they can have it required to remove it temporarily for security checks. What exactly is the problem with it in public?

The same reason why you can't wear Ski masks in public inless its Halloween or extremely environmental conditions..

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

No.. There are veils out there that conceal even more then a ski mask can conceal.. Actually covering their eyes and mouth with a transparent cloth that can make even identifying their eye color impossible.. Even if your wearing sun glasses, a hat, and a hood, your still not gonna get the level of what some of the veils can do.. Not even ski masks come close.

metroidfood

Ski mask + ski glasses easily cover your face completely.

And you see that during ski lodges.. Or times of extreme weather.. Not 24/7 the entire year.. Or in shopping malls.. If you walk in with a ski mask in a shopping mall your going to get arrested by the security guard's and or police.

Well in the interest of security I think we should ban ski masks. Oh an bandanas. Actually ban Halloween too, the terrorists would be able to blend right in! :oSajo7

And Comic-Con! Who knows what these people could be planning under their disguises?

We're not just talking airports, banks, photo IDs, and so on. The French ban covers all public places, yes?

[QUOTE="Sajo7"]Well in the interest of security I think we should ban ski masks. Oh an bandanas. Actually ban Halloween too, the terrorists would be able to blend right in! :ometroidfood

And Comic-Con! Who knows what these people could be planning under their disguises?

Thats private property.. In which they can enforce what ever rules they want.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

I assume masks are banned as well?

EdenProxy

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]Now we begin to talk whatever we want. first the Quran says nothing about the veil. Second, I did not know majority means legitimacy. Third, I thought the west is about absolute freedom. KlownMaster

[QUOTE="Sajo7"]Well in the interest of security I think we should ban ski masks. Oh an bandanas. Actually ban Halloween too, the terrorists would be able to blend right in! :ometroidfood

And Comic-Con! Who knows what these people could be planning under their disguises?

I don't see a problem here, their country, their rules, don't like it then leave.

[QUOTE="MAZ85"]Just look at what France is doing for the gypsies DraugenCP

Yes, it's fantastic.

[QUOTE="EdenProxy"][QUOTE="GazaAli"]Now we begin to talk whatever we want. first the Quran says nothing about the veil. Second, I did not know majority means legitimacy. Third, I thought the west is about absolute freedom. GazaAli

Frankly, playing the'bank robber' card is the only safe way of outlawing it since it's the only one that won't get you in trouble with EU legislation. This a small part of the problem, though. The essential problem is not 'fear', but the fact that women who wear these scarves are limiting themselves extremely within a society such as the French one. And in these times, we just can't allow that immigrants willingly exclude themselves and live at our expense.

[QUOTE="EdenProxy"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"] And baseball caps, and long hair covering the face, and excessive facial hair, and hoodies, and all those other EVIL CULTURE-DESTROYING ITEMS.Theokhoth

Ok firstly stop comparing a baseball cap to a veil.. They are not the same.. They do not obsecure the entire face.. IN which veils can and some do to a point you can even tell their eye color.. Not even cap, glasses, and a hoddie does this amount.. The veil is only akin to a ski mask.. Last I checked inless your facing extremely cold temperatures.. Skiing or its halloween.. Or on private property.. You can't wear them..

It's sad that society has been going backwards. Freedom has now been deemed "too risky" and that it would be better to be fully controlled and be safe then it would be to be free and have danger.

You're not allowed to go around naked in France, so why should you be allowed to go around fully covered up?

Then have the veil removed when having a photo taken. :|Theokhoth

Theo, then what do you do when her husband thinks the family honor is besmirched by her showing her face for a photo?

He might decide to send her to their home country for severe punishment.

[QUOTE="DraugenCP"]

[QUOTE="MAZ85"]Just look at what France is doing for the gypsies Theokhoth

Yes, it's fantastic.

Nice Godwin there, but there's a difference between mass-murdering people and sending back people obviously making a living off crime back to where they came from (and even paying them).

The same reason why you can't wear Ski masks in public inless its Halloween or extremely environmental conditions..

sSubZerOo

You're right, it's not like we let other people get away with wearing masks in public...

You're not allowed to go around naked in France, so why should you be allowed to go around fully covered up?

Hexagon_777

French values include personal liberty to hold whatever values you ****ing want.Theokhoth

Clearly the French disagree :?

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]Now we begin to talk whatever we want. first the Quran says nothing about the veil. Second, I did not know majority means legitimacy. Third, I thought the west is about absolute freedom. KlownMaster

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="DraugenCP"]

Yes, it's fantastic.

DraugenCP

Nice Godwin there, but there's a difference between mass-murdering people and sending back people obviously making a living off crime back to where they came from (and even paying them).

Thats private property.. In which they can enforce what ever rules they want.

sSubZerOo

What about walking or riding the bus there?