[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]Christians skirt around the question by saying that "God is beyond space and time". In other words since God isn't bound by time he's always existed. This is a rather lazy answer though. There's no reason it couldn't be applied to the universe as well (after all, time didn't exist until the universe came into existence. So technically speaking there never was a point when the universe didn't exist) which makes it completely unsatisfactory as an answer.0rin
Since when was giving the only known/provided answer "skirting around the question"? Be it wrong or right, it is all we know. Would you like some kind of mathematic theorum to "prove" his eternal existance? again, typical human thinking. BTW, by saying that, I'm not even trying to say I'm better or anything, because we all are the same in this reguard. its just some of us have a harder time accepting the unknown. for instance, there are still people that think aliens don't exist. And to an even greater extreme, there are still people who think the world is flat, just because they haven't seen it for themselves. People say "x religion take the easy road by just accepting it", but what is easier, accepting something, and puting faith/belief behind it, or simply passing it off because you don't see physical proof? I'm not arguing about just religion here, that would be futile, but think of this in terms of other unknowns, like aliens, or bigfoot. both have plenty of rumors and heresy, and UFO's even have convincing pictures, but both are still written off as legends.
I find it preposterous to think we are the only living beings in the universe. That is not to say I neccessarily think that these beings have discovered a way to travel long distances (I.E. to Earth), but I definitely find it a possibility, where as others don't even give it a second thought, and pass it off as a "Hoax". I find denial a much easier cop out than belief.
It doesn't matter if that's your only answer to the question or not, its a terrible answer. That's like asking your teacher to give you an A on a geography quiz because even though you said Sri Lanka was the capital of Mexico you didn't know of any other possible answer at the time.
Do I want physical proof to believe in the existence of something? Yes, actually, I would as do most sane people. If I told you that there was a tea kettle orbiting between Mars and Jupiter would you believe me without any presentation of proof? Most likely not. Alien life is different from god. With aliens the statistical probability that there is life somewhere out there in the entire infinity of the universe is extremely high. The probabibility that your god exists, in contrast, is extremely small. But I never said I didn't believe there was ET life in the universe, you just got off on a tangent there.
[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]Christians skirt around the question by saying that "God is beyond space and time". In other words since God isn't bound by time he's always existed. This is a rather lazy answer though. There's no reason it couldn't be applied to the universe as well (after all, time didn't exist until the universe came into existence. So technically speaking there never was a point when the universe didn't exist) which makes it completely unsatisfactory as an answer.Oleg_Huzwog
I disagree. There's no reason to think a creator must be restrained to the rules within the creation. If God created space and time, then the response of "God is beyond space and time" is appropriate.
However, as I already explained, it can be applied to any creation. Like I said, the universe, before it came into existence, was outside of space in time. There was no space and there was no time. However, we have theories that show how the universe could have come into existence without any need of divine intervention or self-asserting logic. Christians, and all religious people, have nothing of the sort when it comes to their deities. All they can say is "because our god is outside of time he has always existed". If I told you that the universe didn't need to be created because it has always existed (applying the same arguement that theists use) you would tell me that that isn't good enough, that I need to explain how it came into being. If I replied by saying "you don't get it, it has always existed, it never came into being" you would probably keep arguing for another minute then leave in frustration.
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