Gun Attack on French Magazine Charlie Hebdo kills 12.

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@uninspiredcup said:

@Wickerman777 said:

@uninspiredcup said:

So far - reading this thread: I have seen people saying they (as in all of Islam) should be wiped out. They are "violent", "entitled" people. They are uneducated. And that they should be separated from us. And that if you defend them in any way: you are an enemy.

@GazaAli said:

To reiterate I'm not condoning or excusing shedding blood over this I was merely pointing out the fact that there is nothing heroic or noble in what the magazine

Absolutely. Seen many people holding pens up and proclaiming them as heroes of "freedom of speech".

When the Nazi's also produced similar art depicting Jewish people as sub-human; money grubbing monster like apes; was this heroic and noble?

Quite a few people in this thread are starting to sound like Germans during that time period.

That's absurd. Leftists make it a point to mock christians at every turn but then you're gonna say that nobody should dare ever offend a muslim? Freedom of speech is what western society is built on. Without that you have nothing.

Never said that at all.

You compared the people that wrote for that magazine to nazis so that's exactly what you did.

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#152  Edited By uninspiredcup
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@Wickerman777 said:
@uninspiredcup said:

@Wickerman777 said:

@uninspiredcup said:

So far - reading this thread: I have seen people saying they (as in all of Islam) should be wiped out. They are "violent", "entitled" people. They are uneducated. And that they should be separated from us. And that if you defend them in any way: you are an enemy.

@GazaAli said:

To reiterate I'm not condoning or excusing shedding blood over this I was merely pointing out the fact that there is nothing heroic or noble in what the magazine

Absolutely. Seen many people holding pens up and proclaiming them as heroes of "freedom of speech".

When the Nazi's also produced similar art depicting Jewish people as sub-human; money grubbing monster like apes; was this heroic and noble?

Quite a few people in this thread are starting to sound like Germans during that time period.

That's absurd. Leftists make it a point to mock christians at every turn but then you're gonna say that nobody should dare ever offend a muslim? Freedom of speech is what western society is built on. Without that you have nothing.

Never said that at all.

You compared the people that wrote for that magazine to nazis so that's exactly what you did. The magazine made fun of ALL religions, not just Islam.

This doesn't pertain to what was said at all.

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#153  Edited By Wickerman777
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@uninspiredcup said:

@Wickerman777 said:
@uninspiredcup said:

@Wickerman777 said:

@uninspiredcup said:

So far - reading this thread: I have seen people saying they (as in all of Islam) should be wiped out. They are "violent", "entitled" people. They are uneducated. And that they should be separated from us. And that if you defend them in any way: you are an enemy.

@GazaAli said:

To reiterate I'm not condoning or excusing shedding blood over this I was merely pointing out the fact that there is nothing heroic or noble in what the magazine

Absolutely. Seen many people holding pens up and proclaiming them as heroes of "freedom of speech".

When the Nazi's also produced similar art depicting Jewish people as sub-human; money grubbing monster like apes; was this heroic and noble?

Quite a few people in this thread are starting to sound like Germans during that time period.

That's absurd. Leftists make it a point to mock christians at every turn but then you're gonna say that nobody should dare ever offend a muslim? Freedom of speech is what western society is built on. Without that you have nothing.

Never said that at all.

You compared the people that wrote for that magazine to nazis so that's exactly what you did. The magazine made fun of ALL religions, not just Islam.

This doesn't pertain to what was said at all.

Lol, then you're speaking in alien code cuz I've read your comment three times and what I see is somebody comparing writers that did nothing more sinister than make some jokes about Islam to nazis.

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#155 always_explicit
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**** them and **** the fear they feed upon. I admire the solidarity people show after horrific incidents like this.

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#156  Edited By Wickerman777
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@thegerg said:

@Wickerman777 said:
@thegerg said:

@foxhound_fox said:

The only reason those images "lead to destruction" are because a lot of Muslims are entitled, violent people

They're entitled to what, exactly?

An infant would know what he meant by that.

I get a kick out of your repeated one-line requests for clarification ... just looking for an opportunity to pounce with a juvenile "racist!" remark like the good little thought-policeman you are.

Haha. I am not policing anyone's thoughts, nor am I interested in doing so. WTF would bring you to the conclusion that I am?

I am simply asking him to explain what they're entitled to.

Designer shoes. How could you possibly not have known?

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#158  Edited By uninspiredcup
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@Wickerman777 said:
@uninspiredcup said:

@Wickerman777 said:

@uninspiredcup said:

So far - reading this thread: I have seen people saying they (as in all of Islam) should be wiped out. They are "violent", "entitled" people. They are uneducated. And that they should be separated from us. And that if you defend them in any way: you are an enemy.

@GazaAli said:

To reiterate I'm not condoning or excusing shedding blood over this I was merely pointing out the fact that there is nothing heroic or noble in what the magazine

Absolutely. Seen many people holding pens up and proclaiming them as heroes of "freedom of speech".

When the Nazi's also produced similar art depicting Jewish people as sub-human; money grubbing monster like apes; was this heroic and noble?

Quite a few people in this thread are starting to sound like Germans during that time period.

That's absurd. Leftists make it a point to mock christians at every turn but then you're gonna say that nobody should dare ever offend a muslim? Freedom of speech is what western society is built on. Without that you have nothing.

Never said that at all.

You compared the people that wrote for that magazine to nazis so that's exactly what you did.

Allegories and censoring are two different things.

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This is what I don't get: (http://rt.com/news/220819-attack-mosque-france-paris/). Attacking a mosque and prayer rooms seems pretty violent to me. Guess the West isn't that peace-loving after all.

WOW, retaliation from france started O_O

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@Wickerman777 said:
@thegerg said:

@foxhound_fox said:

The only reason those images "lead to destruction" are because a lot of Muslims are entitled, violent people

They're entitled to what, exactly?

An infant would know what he meant by that.

gerg gonna gerg, leave him be.

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To them who think france is weak currently, let me clarify histrory. They started french revolution against monarchs, overthrew tyranny of emperors. Had a great role in WW II defending itself from germany.This cultured nation is not to be underrated.

They won't let the offenders go scott free , mark my words.

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It's funny how ppl regard "disrespect" as "freedom"! Yeah you're free to do anything ....but mocking and making fun of "anyone" shows how much of an asshole you are ...

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@mjorh said:

It's funny how ppl regard "disrespect" as "freedom"! Yeah you're free to do anything ....but mocking and making fun of "anyone" shows how much of an asshole you are ...

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R.I.P

Disrespect is the backbone of comedy.

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#165  Edited By Master_Live
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@Master_Live said:

These Are The Charlie Hebdo Cartoons That Terrorists Thought Were Worth Killing Over

My favorite is the last one. Hilarious.

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#166  Edited By uninspiredcup
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Police office murdered in the street was a married 42-year-old Muslim

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@indzman said:

To them who think france is weak currently, let me clarify histrory. They started french revolution against monarchs, overthrew tyranny of emperors. Had a great role in WW II defending itself from germany.This cultured nation is not to be underrated.

They won't let the offenders go scott free , mark my words.

That was a pretty big part that's still taught in classes here.

To be honest, I thought France threw in the towel a little too early in 1940. But, good thing many Frenchies chose not to surrender and either aligned themselves with the Free French or became partisans.

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@kalloo said:

This is what I don't get: (http://rt.com/news/220819-attack-mosque-france-paris/). Attacking a mosque and prayer rooms seems pretty violent to me. Guess the West isn't that peace-loving after all.

I just remembered that one of my teachers is in France right now. Hope she's okay.

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@uninspiredcup: Wow. Such barbarism...

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#170  Edited By foxhound_fox
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@uninspiredcup said:

Police office murdered in the street was a married 42-year-old Muslim

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@uninspiredcup:

America has it's fair share of the mentally ill. They just don't normally gather in large groups getting worked up at someone over making fun of their religion. They have deeper mental issues where as Radical Islamists are hell bent on revenge. In the words of Joe Walsh, "You Can't Argue With A Sick Mind".

religion of peace and all that...

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http://www.thedailybeast.com/galleries/2011/11/02/charlie-hebdo-french-satire-magazine-s-shocking-covers-photos.html

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ITT: People likening murdered satirical cartoonists who ridiculed everybody to Nazis targeting a particular group and murderous Islamists to Jews i.e. genuine victims. This is why System Wars > Off Topic.

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@foxhound_fox said:
@mjorh said:

It's funny how ppl regard "disrespect" as "freedom"! Yeah you're free to do anything ....but mocking and making fun of "anyone" shows how much of an asshole you are ...

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R.I.P

Disrespect is the backbone of comedy.

Yeah , but religion is not a "comedy" material ....u see how extremists react ...

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@mjorh said:

@foxhound_fox said:
@mjorh said:

It's funny how ppl regard "disrespect" as "freedom"! Yeah you're free to do anything ....but mocking and making fun of "anyone" shows how much of an asshole you are ...

+

R.I.P

Disrespect is the backbone of comedy.

Yeah , but religion is not a "comedy" material ....u see how extremists react ...

wut

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allahuhitler akbar

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@mjorh said:

@foxhound_fox said:

Disrespect is the backbone of comedy.

Yeah , but religion is not a "comedy" material ....u see how extremists react ...

You need to watch some South Park.

And learn what freedom of artistic expression means.

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@Hexagon_777 said:
@indzman said:

Making fun of mohammad via cartoons is also not nice ... imo, but killing people just for cartoons is tottaly not acceptable. These western guys should stop making fun of islam also since they know it insults ones religion and they retaliate. Why provoke ? Just my 2 cents :)

LOL good one

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#181  Edited By kalloo
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@thegerg: I'd say he child have done w/o humor; it killed him

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Survivors to publish new issue of Charlie Hebdo: 'Stupidity will not win'

"Stupidity will not win," says a surviving columnist for Charlie Hebdo, and the magazine will be published next week despite the devastating attack at its Paris office that left 12 dead.

Patrick Pelloux, a Charlie Hebdo columnist, said on CNN affiliate BFMTV that the issue will be published next Wednesday.

"We can't let them win," Pelloux said.

Earlier, the Paris-based AFP wire service reported that the staff met Thursday to begin planning the next issue. "We are all suffering, with grief, with fear, but we will do it anyway because stupidity will not win," Pelloux said.

A lawyer for the magazine told AFP that a million copies will be printed, more than ten times its usual total.

In the wake of the attack, a number of French officials and editors at other news outlets said they would aid the continued publication of the magazine, potentially through financial and technological support.

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Good.

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@foxhound_fox said:

You need to watch some South Park.

And learn what freedom of artistic expression means.

I've watched the entire south park. There's nothing offensive about it. (Except maybe that bloody mary episode was a bit offensive). It's constructive criticism which is what freedom of speech should be about.

And it's funny how people ignore that south park first depicted Muhammad (pbuh) in their super best friends episode and no one got mad.

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#185  Edited By kalloo
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@thegerg: Could*.

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@Master_Live said:

Survivors to publish new issue of Charlie Hebdo: 'Stupidity will not win'

"Stupidity will not win," says a surviving columnist for Charlie Hebdo, and the magazine will be published next week despite the devastating attack at its Paris office that left 12 dead.

Patrick Pelloux, a Charlie Hebdo columnist, said on CNN affiliate BFMTV that the issue will be published next Wednesday.

"We can't let them win," Pelloux said.

Earlier, the Paris-based AFP wire service reported that the staff met Thursday to begin planning the next issue. "We are all suffering, with grief, with fear, but we will do it anyway because stupidity will not win," Pelloux said.

A lawyer for the magazine told AFP that a million copies will be printed, more than ten times its usual total.

In the wake of the attack, a number of French officials and editors at other news outlets said they would aid the continued publication of the magazine, potentially through financial and technological support.

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Good.

I sincerely hope they know what they doing, more attacks may follow. Every civilian on france should be more careful, cops / military should be on high alert and round up any suspects :)

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@foxhound_fox said:

@mjorh said:

@foxhound_fox said:

Disrespect is the backbone of comedy.

Yeah , but religion is not a "comedy" material ....u see how extremists react ...

You need to watch some South Park.

And learn what freedom of artistic expression means.

THIS!

You have to be thick skinned to live in the west. You are going to be made fun of. Your beliefs will be made fun of. At the end of the day don't worry about what has been said or done and stick to what makes you happy regardless of the jeering. These extremists can't take a joke. Their violent outbursts just adds to the stigma that many westerners attach to Muslims. At the end of the day this is really a muslim problem that muslims can't seem to curtail. So the west is left cleaning up their mess as usual. It's a damn shame they don't stand up and say that's enough.

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@indzman said:

@Master_Live said:

Survivors to publish new issue of Charlie Hebdo: 'Stupidity will not win'

"Stupidity will not win," says a surviving columnist for Charlie Hebdo, and the magazine will be published next week despite the devastating attack at its Paris office that left 12 dead.

Patrick Pelloux, a Charlie Hebdo columnist, said on CNN affiliate BFMTV that the issue will be published next Wednesday.

"We can't let them win," Pelloux said.

Earlier, the Paris-based AFP wire service reported that the staff met Thursday to begin planning the next issue. "We are all suffering, with grief, with fear, but we will do it anyway because stupidity will not win," Pelloux said.

A lawyer for the magazine told AFP that a million copies will be printed, more than ten times its usual total.

In the wake of the attack, a number of French officials and editors at other news outlets said they would aid the continued publication of the magazine, potentially through financial and technological support.

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Good.

I sincerely hope they know what they doing, more attacks may follow. Every civilian on france should be more careful, cops / military should be on high alert and round up any suspects :)

Honestly, how they managed to pull this thing off in a country that claims to have one of the greatest police force of the world (gign anyone?) is unbelievable. They should have predicted this attack months before. I mean they had fvcking rocket launchers for fvcks sake. How could people as dangerous as these roam free in the cities of France????

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@mjorh said:

@foxhound_fox said:
@mjorh said:

It's funny how ppl regard "disrespect" as "freedom"! Yeah you're free to do anything ....but mocking and making fun of "anyone" shows how much of an asshole you are ...

+

R.I.P

Disrespect is the backbone of comedy.

Yeah , but religion is not a "comedy" material ....u see how extremists react ...

This reads a lot like victim blaming. Shame on you. :(

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@alim298 said:

@indzman said:

@Master_Live said:

Survivors to publish new issue of Charlie Hebdo: 'Stupidity will not win'

"Stupidity will not win," says a surviving columnist for Charlie Hebdo, and the magazine will be published next week despite the devastating attack at its Paris office that left 12 dead.

Patrick Pelloux, a Charlie Hebdo columnist, said on CNN affiliate BFMTV that the issue will be published next Wednesday.

"We can't let them win," Pelloux said.

Earlier, the Paris-based AFP wire service reported that the staff met Thursday to begin planning the next issue. "We are all suffering, with grief, with fear, but we will do it anyway because stupidity will not win," Pelloux said.

A lawyer for the magazine told AFP that a million copies will be printed, more than ten times its usual total.

In the wake of the attack, a number of French officials and editors at other news outlets said they would aid the continued publication of the magazine, potentially through financial and technological support.

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Good.

I sincerely hope they know what they doing, more attacks may follow. Every civilian on france should be more careful, cops / military should be on high alert and round up any suspects :)

Honestly, how they managed to pull this thing off in a country that claims to have one of the greatest police force of the world (gign anyone?) is unbelievable. They should have predicted this attack months before. I mean they had fvcking rocket launchers for fvcks sake. How could people as dangerous as these roam free in the cities of France????

They could have entered france via border just for the events of the day also and escaped, still cops have to be extra cautious now and not overlook any slight suspicion :)

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@indzman: That could be the only logical explanation. Apparently these people used to have ties with Al-qaeda. people like them should be monitored 24/7 if they're gonna roam free.

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@foxhound_fox said:

@mjorh said:

@foxhound_fox said:

Disrespect is the backbone of comedy.

Yeah , but religion is not a "comedy" material ....u see how extremists react ...

You need to watch some South Park.

And learn what freedom of artistic expression means.

That's my fav show !

Seriously you're comparing Americans to Muslims ? ...They have no idea what the hell is "freedom" let alone "freedom of artistic expression" ! (Not all muslims tho ....i'm talking about extremists)

Btw i didn't find South Park as "being disrespectful" ...

@Aljosa23 said:

@mjorh said:

@foxhound_fox said:
@mjorh said:

It's funny how ppl regard "disrespect" as "freedom"! Yeah you're free to do anything ....but mocking and making fun of "anyone" shows how much of an asshole you are ...

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Disrespect is the backbone of comedy.

Yeah , but religion is not a "comedy" material ....u see how extremists react ...

This reads a lot like victim blaming. Shame on you. :(

I talk in favor of those innocents ..It just doesn't worth it having innocents killed for some "comedy" or whatever ....

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@softwaregeek: Sorry but why is it my responsibility to keep tabs on what every Muslim does? Yes we should denounce terrorism (and believe me we do) but what has that really accomplished? It's not a problem to be solved overnight, and how Westerners bunch the entirety of Muslims into one psychotic war machine certainly doesn't help.

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@thegerg said:

@mjorh said:

@foxhound_fox said:
@mjorh said:

It's funny how ppl regard "disrespect" as "freedom"! Yeah you're free to do anything ....but mocking and making fun of "anyone" shows how much of an asshole you are ...

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R.I.P

Disrespect is the backbone of comedy.

Yeah , but religion is not a "comedy" material

Why not?

Because if u could deal with religious ppl there would be no religious ppl ..."comedy" is a form of "logic" so ....

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Good. I look forward to reading it.

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#198 Hexagon_777
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@kalloo said:

This is what I don't get: (http://rt.com/news/220819-attack-mosque-france-paris/). Attacking a mosque and prayer rooms seems pretty violent to me. Guess the West isn't that peace-loving after all.

Difference here is, nobody was killed, unlike when these fanatical savages attacked the workers of a satirical newspaper.

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#199 alim298
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@softwaregeek said:

THIS!

You have to be thick skinned to live in the west. You are going to be made fun of. Your beliefs will be made fun of. At the end of the day don't worry about what has been said or done and stick to what makes you happy regardless of the jeering. These extremists can't take a joke. Their violent outbursts just adds to the stigma that many westerners attach to Muslims. At the end of the day this is really a muslim problem that muslims can't seem to curtail. So the west is left cleaning up their mess as usual. It's a damn shame they don't stand up and say that's enough.

Again comparing south park to charlie hebdo is stupid. When was the last time south park depicted Jesus nude called her mother a whore and called him a bastard? Oh wait south park didn't do that. South park respected our beliefs and yet criticized us for having those beliefs. That's what freedom of speech is about. It's not about blatant insults.

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#200 mjorh
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@alim298 said:

@softwaregeek said:

THIS!

You have to be thick skinned to live in the west. You are going to be made fun of. Your beliefs will be made fun of. At the end of the day don't worry about what has been said or done and stick to what makes you happy regardless of the jeering. These extremists can't take a joke. Their violent outbursts just adds to the stigma that many westerners attach to Muslims. At the end of the day this is really a muslim problem that muslims can't seem to curtail. So the west is left cleaning up their mess as usual. It's a damn shame they don't stand up and say that's enough.

Again comparing south park to charlie hebdo is stupid. When was the last time south park depicted Jesus nude called her mother a whore and called him a bastard? Oh wait south park didn't do that. South park respected our beliefs and yet criticized us for having those beliefs. That's what freedom of speech is about. It's not about blatant insults.

Exactly !

They just don't get it.....disrespect is hell a lot different that humor ....they shouldn't even get close to humor if u ask me cuz extremists will respond in such a brutal manner ....