House Democrats have 216 votes needed to pass US health care reform.

[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"][QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"] Actually no.. with everyone coming in with public aid her boss is not going to make enough money to pay all the assistants dkrustyklown

This bill does not cover dental care :/

Seriously, am I the only one here that has actually tried to read the bill?

Probably. Most don't have the time to read a bill that dwarfs the bible and moby dick in size. Not even congress.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

It's times like these I'm glad I have this picture:

Conservatives need to stop with the persecution complex. You're not nearly as rare or outnumbered as you think.

gameguy6700

Look:

- It was posted on DECEMBER 21ST, 2009. That was only three months ago. Besides, conservatives on GS have been whining about how they're sooooo outnumbered by liberals since these forums started.

- Moderate =/= liberal

- The numbers of conservatives and liberals are almost the same and you'd likely find with an even larger sample size that moderates, liberals, and conservatives all make up 33% of the political demographic on GS. Thus, everyone is outnumbered by everyone else. The 100+ conservatives and moderates outnumber the 59 liberals, the 100+ conservatives and liberals outnumber the 49 moderates, etc.

"The Moderate Party (Swedish: Moderata samlingspartiet: "the Moderate Coalition Party", commonly referred to in Swedish as Moderaterna: "the Moderates") is a centre-right, liberal conservative political party in Sweden"

Moderates are part of The International Democrat Union (IDU)

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"] healthcare is a rightSnipes_2

No, it is not.

What is the other option? And humor me in that "Go get a job" isn't an option for all people who cannot work.

its another step toward socialism

its another step toward socialism

GarrettDS

The numbers of conservatives and liberals are almost the same and you'd likely find with an even larger sample size that moderates, liberals, and conservatives all make up 33% of the political demographic on GS. Thus, everyone is outnumbered by everyone else. The 100+ conservatives and moderates outnumber the 59 liberals, the 100+ conservatives and liberals outnumber the 49 moderates, etc.gameguy6700

[QUOTE="GarrettDS"]

its another step toward socialism

imaps3fanboy

[QUOTE="GarrettDS"]

its another step toward socialism

imaps3fanboy

ya pretty much. seeing as socialism has been so great for all the other countries who have used it in history

[QUOTE="GarrettDS"]

its another step toward socialism

imaps3fanboy

I wouldn't throw in the towel yet. Remember, sweet November.

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"][QUOTE="GarrettDS"]

its another step toward socialism

scorch-62

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

No, it is not.

Pixel-Pirate

What is the other option? And humor me in that "Go get a job" isn't an option for all people who cannot work.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"] im happy america has taken a step towards real freedom

Atheists_Pwn

Sorry, rights don't require an action of another person. If all the doctors quit and refused to treat people would it still be a right? How would you get doctors to treat people if they choose not to? Do Doctors have a right to quit their job and stop practicing?

its another step toward socialism

GarrettDS

Please explain how mandating that Americans buy insurance from private companies and offering subsidies for those who cannot is a step towards government ownership of the means of production.

repetitive caller is repetitive

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] I think 100+ Moderates and Liberals outnumber the 56 Conservatives. That was also posted in 2009.

Snipes_2

Look:

- It was posted on DECEMBER 21ST, 2009. That was only three months ago. Besides, conservatives on GS have been whining about how they're sooooo outnumbered by liberals since these forums started.

- Moderate =/= liberal

- The numbers of conservatives and liberals are almost the same and you'd likely find with an even larger sample size that moderates, liberals, and conservatives all make up 33% of the political demographic on GS. Thus, everyone is outnumbered by everyone else. The 100+ conservatives and moderates outnumber the 59 liberals, the 100+ conservatives and liberals outnumber the 49 moderates, etc.

A lot. All the political threads on here are usually 50/50 when it comes to conservatives and liberals. For some reason though conservatives only seem able to see and hear liberal arguments which makes me wonder how on earth they ever manage to get anything done when they can only hear liberals. And in every politics thread, without fail, you'll find a few conservative posters going back and forth about how they're outnumbered. Hell, look at this topic. A comment gets posted about conservatives being outnumbered and within a couple minutes it's been quoted three more times by different posters agreeing. I'd say that's evidence enough that there's more than just a few conservatives floating around GS.

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"][QUOTE="GarrettDS"]

its another step toward socialism

GarrettDS

ya pretty much. seeing as socialism has been so great for all the other countries who have used it in history

Tell me, how many of these illusive 56 "Whiny" Conservatives have you seen?

Snipes_2

[QUOTE="GarrettDS"]

its another step toward socialism

GabuEx

Please explain how mandating that Americans buy insurance from private companies and offering subsidies for those who cannot is a step towards government ownership of the means of production.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] I don't think it is a "Right" either. HAving others pay for you to live? That's great for you, but what about everyone paying for your care etc..Snipes_2

What is the other option? And humor me in that "Go get a job" isn't an option for all people who cannot work.

Not everyone is of sound enough mind and body to work. Do you suggest they be euthanized?

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

Look:

- It was posted on DECEMBER 21ST, 2009. That was only three months ago. Besides, conservatives on GS have been whining about how they're sooooo outnumbered by liberals since these forums started.

- Moderate =/= liberal

- The numbers of conservatives and liberals are almost the same and you'd likely find with an even larger sample size that moderates, liberals, and conservatives all make up 33% of the political demographic on GS. Thus, everyone is outnumbered by everyone else. The 100+ conservatives and moderates outnumber the 59 liberals, the 100+ conservatives and liberals outnumber the 49 moderates, etc.

gameguy6700

A lot. All the political threads on here are usually 50/50 when it comes to conservatives and liberals. For some reason though conservatives only seem able to see and hear liberal arguments which makes me wonder how on earth they ever manage to get anything done when they can only hear liberals. And in every politics thread, without fail, you'll find a few conservative posters going back and forth about how they're outnumbered. Hell, look at this topic. A comment gets posted about conservatives being outnumbered and within a couple minutes it's been quoted three more times by different posters agreeing. I'd say that's evidence enough that there's more than just a few conservatives floating around GS.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

What is the other option? And humor me in that "Go get a job" isn't an option for all people who cannot work.

Pixel-Pirate

Not everyone is of sound enough mind and body to work. Do you suggest they be euthanized?

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

What is the other option? And humor me in that "Go get a job" isn't an option for all people who cannot work.

Pixel-Pirate

Not everyone is of sound enough mind and body to work. Do you suggest they be euthanized?

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

What is the other option? And humor me in that "Go get a job" isn't an option for all people who cannot work.

Pixel-Pirate

Not everyone is of sound enough mind and body to work. Do you suggest they be euthanized?

Nice caller, "Tiny Tim gets health care... this is what Dickens had in mind when he wrote the novel." lol, wut?blackngold29

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]Tell me, how many of these illusive 56 "Whiny" Conservatives have you seen?

PannicAtack

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"] The numbers of conservatives and liberals are almost the same and you'd likely find with an even larger sample size that moderates, liberals, and conservatives all make up 33% of the political demographic on GS. Thus, everyone is outnumbered by everyone else. The 100+ conservatives and moderates outnumber the 59 liberals, the 100+ conservatives and liberals outnumber the 49 moderates, etc.blackngold29

I didn't see your response. This thread moves pretty fast. But mind telling me how that poll isn't representative of people in threads like this one? That topic was posted in OT. It's only three months old. It was political in nature. I fail to see how it isn't applicable.

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"]

"Americaaaaa, Americaaaaaaa"

Atheists_Pwn

Ignore the fascists. They want to remove regulation and turn the USA into a Corporate State. They are so far Right that this Moderate Bill looks communist to them. Sorry conservatives, the Democrats have offered you all they could, incorporated your ideas, tried so hard to work with you, and you still didn't support this noble cause. This was the Republican Waterloo. November will bring a tidal wave of Democrat wins.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] You can at least try to get a job. I should not have to pay for your life. Snipes_2

Not everyone is of sound enough mind and body to work. Do you suggest they be euthanized?

I'm not sure you really understand what "not ABLE to work" means.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

Not everyone is of sound enough mind and body to work. Do you suggest they be euthanized?

JML897

I'm not sure you really understand what "not ABLE to work" means.

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Tell me, how many of these illusive 56 "Whiny" Conservatives have you seen?

Snipes_2

A lot. All the political threads on here are usually 50/50 when it comes to conservatives and liberals. For some reason though conservatives only seem able to see and hear liberal arguments which makes me wonder how on earth they ever manage to get anything done when they can only hear liberals. And in every politics thread, without fail, you'll find a few conservative posters going back and forth about how they're outnumbered. Hell, look at this topic. A comment gets posted about conservatives being outnumbered and within a couple minutes it's been quoted three more times by different posters agreeing. I'd say that's evidence enough that there's more than just a few conservatives floating around GS.

It's not the amount I'm refering to, it's the speed at which you got replies. For 3-4 people to respond within 1-2 minutes means that there's many of those people floating around.

Pretty sure we have to pay extra fees if we don't use Obamacare.. correct? And it isnt just healthcare.. its all the bailouts as well. The government is NOT supposed to take over PRIVATE enterprises.imaps3fanboy

Nothing of what you said remotely answered the question.

Socialism is the state in which the government owns the means of production.

How is mandating that people buy health insurance from private companies a step towards that? I was specifically asking about the health care bill.

[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"]

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"]

"Americaaaaa, Americaaaaaaa"

Ultimas_Blade

Ignore the fascists. They want to remove regulation and turn the USA into a Corporate State. They are so far Right that this Moderate Bill looks communist to them. Sorry conservatives, the Democrats have offered you all they could, incorporated your ideas, tried so hard to work with you, and you still didn't support this noble cause. This was the Republican Waterloo. November will bring a tidal wave of Democrat wins.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] You can at least try to get a job. I should not have to pay for your life. Snipes_2

Not everyone is of sound enough mind and body to work. Do you suggest they be euthanized?

What work can a fully paralyzed person or a severe schizophrenic do?

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"]Pretty sure we have to pay extra fees if we don't use Obamacare.. correct? And it isnt just healthcare.. its all the bailouts as well. The government is NOT supposed to take over PRIVATE enterprises.GabuEx

Nothing of what you said remotely answered the question.

Socialism is the state in which the government owns the means of production.

How is mandating that people buy health insurance from private companies a step towards that? I was specifically asking about the health care bill.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

A lot. All the political threads on here are usually 50/50 when it comes to conservatives and liberals. For some reason though conservatives only seem able to see and hear liberal arguments which makes me wonder how on earth they ever manage to get anything done when they can only hear liberals. And in every politics thread, without fail, you'll find a few conservative posters going back and forth about how they're outnumbered. Hell, look at this topic. A comment gets posted about conservatives being outnumbered and within a couple minutes it's been quoted three more times by different posters agreeing. I'd say that's evidence enough that there's more than just a few conservatives floating around GS.

gameguy6700

It's not the amount I'm refering to, it's the speed at which you got replies. For 3-4 people to respond within 1-2 minutes means that there's many of those people floating around.

Watching the live house feed right now, is some Georgia representative seriously resigning his office as a result of tonight's vote? Or is this just an unrelated announcement?

Its about how they are SOCIALIZING everything. Its all going to be run by the GOVERNMENT.. not private companies that should be competing against each other. And the fact that we have to pay for not using it is sickening.imaps3fanboy

Again...

How is mandating that people buy health insurance from private companies a step towards the government owning the means of production?

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

Not everyone is of sound enough mind and body to work. Do you suggest they be euthanized?

Pixel-Pirate

What work can a fully paralyzed person or a severe schizophrenic do?

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

A lot. All the political threads on here are usually 50/50 when it comes to conservatives and liberals. For some reason though conservatives only seem able to see and hear liberal arguments which makes me wonder how on earth they ever manage to get anything done when they can only hear liberals. And in every politics thread, without fail, you'll find a few conservative posters going back and forth about how they're outnumbered. Hell, look at this topic. A comment gets posted about conservatives being outnumbered and within a couple minutes it's been quoted three more times by different posters agreeing. I'd say that's evidence enough that there's more than just a few conservatives floating around GS.

gameguy6700

It's not the amount I'm refering to, it's the speed at which you got replies. For 3-4 people to respond within 1-2 minutes means that there's many of those people floating around.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

Not everyone is of sound enough mind and body to work. Do you suggest they be euthanized?

Pixel-Pirate

What work can a fully paralyzed person or a severe schizophrenic do?

[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] How's being forced to buy Insurance and raised taxes Freedom?I_am_george

Sorry, rights don't require an action of another person. If all the doctors quit and refused to treat people would it still be a right? How would you get doctors to treat people if they choose not to? Do Doctors have a right to quit their job and stop practicing?

the right to property requires that other people believe in property

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] I don't think 3-4 people out of the 20+ posting in this thread is sufficient. blackngold29

It's not the amount I'm refering to, it's the speed at which you got replies. For 3-4 people to respond within 1-2 minutes means that there's many of those people floating around.

So is Rush Limbaugh gonna leave the country now?JonnyEagle

So what do we do with those people? Not all of them have parents and institutions cost money. Euthanize?

So is Rush Limbaugh gonna leave the country now?JonnyEagle