House Democrats have 216 votes needed to pass US health care reform.

it is an unconstitutional bill and since i am trilingual i will be moving out of my home, the united states of america, with in the next year. this is not the county i fell in love with.surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]it is an unconstitutional bill and since i am trilingual i will be moving out of my home, the united states of america, with in the next year. this is not the county i fell in love with.Danm_999

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]it is an unconstitutional bill and since i am trilingual i will be moving out of my home, the united states of america, with in the next year. this is not the county i fell in love with.surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="Danm_999"] Out of curiousity, where will you move?Danm_999

edit: i dont know much about japans tax system other then it is modled off of germanys, but i do know quite alot about the german system,and i would be ok as an immigrant

Without immigrants many states would have a decreasing population. Not to mention, finding a good way to 'legalize' illegal immigrants means new sources of income taxes. It's not like illegals don't already use our services, it's time to get our money back from them.

Without immigrants many states would have a decreasing population. Not to mention, finding a good way to 'legalize' illegal immigrants means new sources of income taxes. It's not like illegals don't already use our services, it's time to get our money back from them.

xionvalkyrie

why is the government takover of the best health care system in the world referred to as "reform"?

why is the government takover of the best health care system in the world referred to as "reform"?

iowastate

why is the government takover of the best health care system in the world referred to as "reform"?

iowastate

My dad's probably going to rant about this at the next family thing, and be damned sure the liberal death squads will be going door to door seizing our guns and bibles. When my grandmother dies, I'm changing my name.SteveTabernacle

My grandmother is likely going to yell at me and curse me because I voted for Obama. Even though I'm not happy about this bill.

The fact that this bill covers illegal immigrants is beyond me. I'm not happy that money is going to come out of MY check to cover people who don't belong in this country.kittyloaf69

Amen. This whole healthcare bill thing is a terrible thing this country had to pass. I could not believe that they passed it the way they did, our forefathers are rolling in their graves as we speak, this isnt the country they ment for us to have.

Sucks. More debt and taxes. Changes were needed, but this thing is not it.

The fact that this bill covers illegal immigrants is beyond me. I'm not happy that money is going to come out of MY check to cover people who don't belong in this country.kittyloaf69

[QUOTE="kittyloaf69"]The fact that this bill covers illegal immigrants is beyond me. I'm not happy that money is going to come out of MY check to cover people who don't belong in this country.Danm_999

[QUOTE="kittyloaf69"]The fact that this bill covers illegal immigrants is beyond me. I'm not happy that money is going to come out of MY check to cover people who don't belong in this country.Danm_999

The fact that illegals are covered is complete horse****. This redistrobution of wealth in this country alone is getting out of control and now we are redisributing it to people who arent even citizens...

This whole bill is just one big GIANT FAIL. All college students out there that have student loans... ALL OF YOU. Guess what?? With this bill the government now owns you. Yup. Its true. With this bill the government seized control of all student loans.. Here's a source, but there are many others out there if you dont like this one: http://www.investmentadvisor.com/news/2010/3/Pages/House-Passes-Student-Loan-Makeover.aspx

Just like the stupid credit protection act this is going to blow up in Obama's face and we are going to be stuck with the bill.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="kittyloaf69"]The fact that this bill covers illegal immigrants is beyond me. I'm not happy that money is going to come out of MY check to cover people who don't belong in this country.kittyloaf69

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="kittyloaf69"]The fact that this bill covers illegal immigrants is beyond me. I'm not happy that money is going to come out of MY check to cover people who don't belong in this country.kittyloaf69

I agree that they should not be covered, however a lot of them do jobs that many of us wont do, and for a low cost.. What they dont do is pay taxes... so they dont pay taxes and they get free health care.

Whatever... Obama just sealed his fate in 2012

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="kittyloaf69"]The fact that this bill covers illegal immigrants is beyond me. I'm not happy that money is going to come out of MY check to cover people who don't belong in this country.Chrypt22

The fact that illegals are covered is complete horse****. This redistrobution of wealth in this country alone is getting out of control and now we are redisributing it to people who arent even citizens...

This whole bill is just one big GIANT FAIL. All college students out there that have student loans... ALL OF YOU. Guess what?? With this bill the government now owns you. Yup. Its true. With this bill the government seized control of all student loans.. Here's a source, but there are many others out there if you dont like this one: http://www.investmentadvisor.com/news/2010/3/Pages/House-Passes-Student-Loan-Makeover.aspx

Just like the stupid credit protection act this is going to blow up in Obama's face and we are going to be stuck with the bill.

[QUOTE="kittyloaf69"][QUOTE="Danm_999"] You're going to pay for them regardless. Whenever anybody citizen or otherwise, uses emergency rooms the cost is pushed back on the hospital, then your insurer, then you. The hope is that by providing preventative health care to the uninsured, costs are reduced in the long run.Chrypt22

I agree that they should not be covered, however a lot of them do jobs that many of us wont do, and for a low cost.. What they dont do is pay taxes... so they dont pay taxes and they get free health care.

Whatever... Obama just sealed his fate in 2012

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="kittyloaf69"]The fact that this bill covers illegal immigrants is beyond me. I'm not happy that money is going to come out of MY check to cover people who don't belong in this country.Chrypt22

The fact that illegals are covered is complete horse****. This redistrobution of wealth in this country alone is getting out of control and now we are redisributing it to people who arent even citizens...

This whole bill is just one big GIANT FAIL. All college students out there that have student loans... ALL OF YOU. Guess what?? With this bill the government now owns you. Yup. Its true. With this bill the government seized control of all student loans.. Here's a source, but there are many others out there if you dont like this one: http://www.investmentadvisor.com/news/2010/3/Pages/House-Passes-Student-Loan-Makeover.aspx

Just like the stupid credit protection act this is going to blow up in Obama's face and we are going to be stuck with the bill.

Universities borrowed money from banks, who in turn borrowed the money from the government. They just cut out the middle man. My school already switched to direct lending from the government this year, so it really has no effect on me.

Whatever... Obama just sealed his fate in 2012

Chrypt22

All i can say is "Welcome to the 21st century United states":).

Immigration reform will probebly be worse, and i can already see the sporadic violance that will most likly happen (i hope it won't though)

EDIT: no public option will is a downer though. And if republicans win 2012, killing it would be suicide.

[QUOTE="kittyloaf69"][QUOTE="Danm_999"] You're going to pay for them regardless. Whenever anybody citizen or otherwise, uses emergency rooms the cost is pushed back on the hospital, then your insurer, then you. The hope is that by providing preventative health care to the uninsured, costs are reduced in the long run.Danm_999

I agree that they should not be covered, however a lot of them do jobs that many of us wont do, and for a low cost.. What they dont do is pay taxes... so they dont pay taxes and they get free health care.

Whatever... Obama just sealed his fate in 2012

[QUOTE="Chrypt22"]Whatever... Obama just sealed his fate in 2012

Engrish_Major

All i can say is "Welcome to the 21st century United states":).

Immigration reform will probebly be worse, and i can already see the sporadic violance that will most likly happen (i hope it won't though)

There's no way Obama is going to get re-elcected.kittyloaf69

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="kittyloaf69"] I'm not OK with paying for them in any way,shape, or form. I understand the point of it, but I'm still not OK with it. They don't deserve to be here and they need to be deported with any debt that they have accrued. kittyloaf69

I agree that they should not be covered, however a lot of them do jobs that many of us wont do, and for a low cost.. What they dont do is pay taxes... so they dont pay taxes and they get free health care.

Whatever... Obama just sealed his fate in 2012

[QUOTE="lordreaven"]

All i can say is "Welcome to the 21st century United states":).

Immigration reform will probebly be worse, and i can already see the sporadic violance that will most likly happen (i hope it won't though)

Engrish_Major

Oh yeah, Americans are mad. We could see a Revolution. If Obama attempts immigration reform this could get ugly real fast.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

[QUOTE="Chrypt22"]Whatever... Obama just sealed his fate in 2012

kittyloaf69

[QUOTE="Chrypt22"]Whatever... Obama just sealed his fate in 2012

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="lordreaven"]

All i can say is "Welcome to the 21st century United states":).

Immigration reform will probebly be worse, and i can already see the sporadic violance that will most likly happen (i hope it won't though)

Oh yeah, Americans are mad. We could see a Revolution. If Obama attempts immigration reform this could get ugly real fast.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

[QUOTE="Chrypt22"]Whatever... Obama just sealed his fate in 2012

kittyloaf69

Democrats said the same thing about bush in 2004.

I don't get the whole opposition to immigration reform. Wouldn't any supporter of liberty want to bring them here? I think that I would support Obama's immigration reform bill, provided that it doesn't turn out to be a big handout.

[QUOTE="Chrypt22"]

[QUOTE="Danm_999"] You're going to pay for them regardless. Whenever anybody citizen or otherwise, uses emergency rooms the cost is pushed back on the hospital, then your insurer, then you. The hope is that by providing preventative health care to the uninsured, costs are reduced in the long run.Superbored

The fact that illegals are covered is complete horse****. This redistrobution of wealth in this country alone is getting out of control and now we are redisributing it to people who arent even citizens...

This whole bill is just one big GIANT FAIL. All college students out there that have student loans... ALL OF YOU. Guess what?? With this bill the government now owns you. Yup. Its true. With this bill the government seized control of all student loans.. Here's a source, but there are many others out there if you dont like this one: http://www.investmentadvisor.com/news/2010/3/Pages/House-Passes-Student-Loan-Makeover.aspx

Just like the stupid credit protection act this is going to blow up in Obama's face and we are going to be stuck with the bill.

Universities borrowed money from banks, who in turn borrowed the money from the government. They just cut out the middle man. My school already switched to direct lending from the government this year, so it really has no effect on me.

[QUOTE="kittyloaf69"]The fact that this bill covers illegal immigrants is beyond me. I'm not happy that money is going to come out of MY check to cover people who don't belong in this country.Xorital

Amen. This whole healthcare bill thing is a terrible thing this country had to pass. I could not believe that they passed it the way they did, our forefathers are rolling in their graves as we speak, this isnt the country they ment for us to have.

Our forefathers were racist biggots that felt that the average person should not vote, and government should be solely in the hands of the elite aristocracy that existed during the time.. There are many things to learn about the founding fathers.. But some how claim that they are still the best people to look to for aid is ridiculous, they were still a product of their time.

[QUOTE="Xorital"]

[QUOTE="kittyloaf69"]The fact that this bill covers illegal immigrants is beyond me. I'm not happy that money is going to come out of MY check to cover people who don't belong in this country.sSubZerOo

Amen. This whole healthcare bill thing is a terrible thing this country had to pass. I could not believe that they passed it the way they did, our forefathers are rolling in their graves as we speak, this isnt the country they ment for us to have.

Our forefathers were racist biggots that felt that the average person should not vote, and government should be solely in the hands of the elite aristocracy that existed during the time.. There are many things to learn about the founding fathers.. But some how claim that they are still the best people to look to for aid is ridiculous, they were still a product of their time.

[QUOTE="Xorital"]

The fact that this bill covers illegal immigrants is beyond me. I'm not happy that money is going to come out of MY check to cover people who don't belong in this country.kittyloaf69

Amen. This whole healthcare bill thing is a terrible thing this country had to pass. I could not believe that they passed it the way they did, our forefathers are rolling in their graves as we speak, this isnt the country they ment for us to have.

Our forefathers were racist biggots that felt that the average person should not vote, and government should be solely in the hands of the elite aristocracy that existed during the time.. There are many things to learn about the founding fathers.. But some how claim that they are still the best people to look to for aid is ridiculous, they were still a product of their time.

[QUOTE="Xorital"]

Amen. This whole healthcare bill thing is a terrible thing this country had to pass. I could not believe that they passed it the way they did, our forefathers are rolling in their graves as we speak, this isnt the country they ment for us to have.

Our forefathers were racist biggots that felt that the average person should not vote, and government should be solely in the hands of the elite aristocracy that existed during the time.. There are many things to learn about the founding fathers.. But some how claim that they are still the best people to look to for aid is ridiculous, they were still a product of their time.

we might as well put on our rags and send our praise to ''king obama'' at this point. I guess he will tax us to the point of poverty and erect a monument of himself and declare himself ''eternal ruler of america'' as we slowly withdraw back to the stone ages he will live in a castle and kill all who question him.

(of course I hope my above post isnt taken seriously, I still say hes one of the worst presidents we have ever elected)

we might as well put on our rags and send our praise to ''king obama'' at this point. I guess he will tax us to the point of poverty and erect a monument of himself and declare himself ''eternal ruler of america'' as we slowly withdraw back to the stone ages he will live in a castle and kill all who question him.

(of course I hope my above post isnt taken seriously, I still say hes one of the worst presidents we have ever elected)

Xorital

If he was King Obama, why would he create a program that would benefit the public and not his own power?

[QUOTE="xscrapzx"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Our forefathers were racist biggots that felt that the average person should not vote, and government should be solely in the hands of the elite aristocracy that existed during the time.. There are many things to learn about the founding fathers.. But some how claim that they are still the best people to look to for aid is ridiculous, they were still a product of their time.

Atheists_Pwn

Also why don't you look at India 10-15 years ago when government was involved in everything. How people should live, work, run businesses. You know what happened no one could own a business because there was so much paper work and moneythat was involved to make sure employees were taken care of andall sorts of regulations which put society at a stand still because nothing could move forward. Now look at India, because the government laid off and allowed their people to breath they are a very properous and growing country. Governmentinvolvment is fine but there has to be balance.

[QUOTE="Xorital"]

we might as well put on our rags and send our praise to ''king obama'' at this point. I guess he will tax us to the point of poverty and erect a monument of himself and declare himself ''eternal ruler of america'' as we slowly withdraw back to the stone ages he will live in a castle and kill all who question him.

(of course I hope my above post isnt taken seriously, I still say hes one of the worst presidents we have ever elected)

sSubZerOo

If he was King Obama, why would he create a program that would benefit the public and not his own power?

if your talking about healthcare you only proved myself right even though I wasnt serious about ''king obama'' healthcare bill does not benifit us at all, only more money is being wasted by this disgusting bill.

[QUOTE="kittyloaf69"]

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

I agree that they should not be covered, however a lot of them do jobs that many of us wont do, and for a low cost.. What they dont do is pay taxes... so they dont pay taxes and they get free health care.

Whatever... Obama just sealed his fate in 2012

Danm_999

[QUOTE="Xorital"]

[QUOTE="kittyloaf69"]The fact that this bill covers illegal immigrants is beyond me. I'm not happy that money is going to come out of MY check to cover people who don't belong in this country.sSubZerOo

Amen. This whole healthcare bill thing is a terrible thing this country had to pass. I could not believe that they passed it the way they did, our forefathers are rolling in their graves as we speak, this isnt the country they ment for us to have.

Our forefathers were racist biggots that felt that the average person should not vote, and government should be solely in the hands of the elite aristocracy that existed during the time.. There are many things to learn about the founding fathers.. But some how claim that they are still the best people to look to for aid is ridiculous, they were still a product of their time.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="kittyloaf69"] It doesn't matter if they do jobs "many wont do." Because there are always people who will do the work, all illglas do is TOOK ER JERRRBS. (Insert South Park redneck picture here.)

kittyloaf69

and indeed illegal for a reason and should GTFO kthx =D

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="wolverine4262"]Well, the ones that voted for it are the ones with back bone b/c this needed to be done...

wolverine4262