How do creationists explain Neanderthals and the other species of man?[NEW POLL]

Just curious. "other species of man" means the others that are also extinct.

Ive never seen an atheist bring this up, and coincidently i never see creationists bring it up.

I usually hate religion threads but I want to see this.

so go.

I don't think there's enough information about all the past forms of humans to regard them as a different species, or to simply even know they existed.orazinac

I don't think there's enough information about all the past forms of humans to regard them as a different species, or to simply even know they existed.orazinac

we have dna proof. We have reconstructed models of them. Its a fact they exist and a fact they were a different species.

I don't believe the bible mentions Neanderthals or other early humans.

Maybe they could be explained away as animals?

I don't believe the bible mentions Neanderthals or other early humans.

Maybe they could be explained away as animals?

limpbizkit818

the beauty of neanderthals is that the dna evidence proves theyre related to us, yet different. Suggesting that evolution is infact factual

I don't think there's enough information about all the past forms of humans to regard them as a different species, or to simply even know they existed.orazinac

"Unlike some Christian communities, the Catholic Church considers the theory that the human body evolved from pre-existing living matter, proposed originally by Charles Darwin (1809-1882), to be compatible with the religious truth revealed in the creation narratives in the Book of Genesis - provided the theory does not pass beyond the realm of science to a denial of humanity's spiritual dimension, the creation of each human soul by God and God's creative providence itself."

As a Catholic, I would explain Neanderthals and other species of man no differently than Richard Dawkins would.

[QUOTE="limpbizkit818"]

I don't believe the bible mentions Neanderthals or other early humans.

Maybe they could be explained away as animals?

H8sMikeMoore

the beauty of neanderthals is that the dna evidence proves theyre related to us, yet different. Suggesting that evolution is infact factual

But could a creationist not say that Neanderthals are animals and therfore fall under the "God created animals" part of the story?

Hell, how do you explain a superior being living in a heavenly afterworld.

Have you ever met a Neanderthal? No, of course not. You're simply going by what scientists have told you based on fossils dug up from the ground. But how do you know those fossils aren't just as old as us? I believe that God created the Earth around 6,000 years give or take a few hundred years and these fossils that get dug up were created at the same time as man and everything else. In other words, God created an Earth with the illusion of being millions of years old by inserting fossils of creatures that never existed and shaping geographic features. In His magnificance, he made a world for us that appears to be timeless.

Hell, how do you explain a superior being living in a heavenly afterworld.

Scarker

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="limpbizkit818"]

I don't believe the bible mentions Neanderthals or other early humans.

Maybe they could be explained away as animals?

limpbizkit818

the beauty of neanderthals is that the dna evidence proves theyre related to us, yet different. Suggesting that evolution is infact factual

But could a creationist not say that Neanderthals are animals and therfore fall under the "God created animals" part of the story?

the fact that theyer so closely related to us suggests in evolution.

Have you ever met a Neanderthal? No, of course not. You're simply going by what scientists have told you based on fossils dug up from the ground. But how do you know those fossils aren't just as old as us? I believe that God created the Earth around 6,000 years give or take a few hundred years and these fossils that get dug up were created at the same time as man and everything else. In other words, God created an Earth with the illusion of being millions of years old by inserting fossils of creatures that never existed and shaping geographic features. In His magnificance, he made a world for us that appears to be timeless.

mysterylobster

Have you ever met a Neanderthal? No, of course not. You're simply going by what scientists have told you based on fossils dug up from the ground. But how do you know those fossils aren't just as old as us? I believe that God created the Earth around 6,000 years give or take a few hundred years and these fossils that get dug up were created at the same time as man and everything else. In other words, God created an Earth with the illusion of being millions of years old by inserting fossils of creatures that never existed and shaping geographic features. In His magnificance, he made a world for us that appears to be timeless.

mysterylobster

Have you ever met a Neanderthal? No, of course not. You're simply going by what scientists have told you based on fossils dug up from the ground. But how do you know those fossils aren't just as old as us? I believe that God created the Earth around 6,000 years give or take a few hundred years and these fossils that get dug up were created at the same time as man and everything else. In other words, God created an Earth with the illusion of being millions of years old by inserting fossils of creatures that never existed and shaping geographic features. In His magnificance, he made a world for us that appears to be timeless.

mysterylobster

Have you ever met Henry VIII, then how do you know he existed?

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="limpbizkit818"]

I don't believe the bible mentions Neanderthals or other early humans.

Maybe they could be explained away as animals?

limpbizkit818

the beauty of neanderthals is that the dna evidence proves theyre related to us, yet different. Suggesting that evolution is infact factual

But could a creationist not say that Neanderthals are animals and therfore fall under the "God created animals" part of the story?

It would be hard. Homo Neandertalis (lots of debate over whether we stick a sapiens in there) is different to, say, Homo Habilis, in that the former was a contemporary of Homo Sapiens (Sapiens, again debate over latin name) that was unable to compete successfully,for reasons currently unknown, rather than an ancestor.

Have you ever met a Neanderthal? No, of course not. You're simply going by what scientists have told you based on fossils dug up from the ground. But how do you know those fossils aren't just as old as us? I believe that God created the Earth around 6,000 years give or take a few hundred years and these fossils that get dug up were created at the same time as man and everything else. In other words, God created an Earth with the illusion of being millions of years old by inserting fossils of creatures that never existed and shaping geographic features. In His magnificance, he made a world for us that appears to be timeless.

mysterylobster

I can buy that, even if it is unfalsifiable, so as long as religion doesn't impede science progress simply because it's an "illusion".

Have you ever met a Neanderthal? No, of course not. You're simply going by what scientists have told you based on fossils dug up from the ground. But how do you know those fossils aren't just as old as us? I believe that God created the Earth around 6,000 years give or take a few hundred years and these fossils that get dug up were created at the same time as man and everything else. In other words, God created an Earth with the illusion of being millions of years old by inserting fossils of creatures that never existed and shaping geographic features. In His magnificance, he made a world for us that appears to be timeless.

mysterylobster

if the earth is 6,000 years old then why is there light from stars billions of years away. unless he created the universe and didnt know what to do with it for billions of years.

i have seen bones of neanderthals and scientists have proof of what they are. neanderthals have lived alongside man.

but i suppose its easy for you to say sabretooth tigers existed, but you know... you never met one.

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

Have you ever met a Neanderthal? No, of course not. You're simply going by what scientists have told you based on fossils dug up from the ground. But how do you know those fossils aren't just as old as us? I believe that God created the Earth around 6,000 years give or take a few hundred years and these fossils that get dug up were created at the same time as man and everything else. In other words, God created an Earth with the illusion of being millions of years old by inserting fossils of creatures that never existed and shaping geographic features. In His magnificance, he made a world for us that appears to be timeless.

MetalGear_Ninty

Have you ever met Henry VIII, then how do you know he exists?

Historical accounts, etc. We have no such resources to judge whether Neanderthal's existed. All we have are fossils, which as I said, were created by God when he created everything else.

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

Have you ever met a Neanderthal? No, of course not. You're simply going by what scientists have told you based on fossils dug up from the ground. But how do you know those fossils aren't just as old as us? I believe that God created the Earth around 6,000 years give or take a few hundred years and these fossils that get dug up were created at the same time as man and everything else. In other words, God created an Earth with the illusion of being millions of years old by inserting fossils of creatures that never existed and shaping geographic features. In His magnificance, he made a world for us that appears to be timeless.

mysterylobster

Have you ever met Henry VIII, then how do you know he exists?

Historical accounts, etc. We have no such resources to judge whether Neanderthal's existed. All we have are fossils, which as I said, were created by God when he created everything else.

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

Have you ever met a Neanderthal? No, of course not. You're simply going by what scientists have told you based on fossils dug up from the ground. But how do you know those fossils aren't just as old as us? I believe that God created the Earth around 6,000 years give or take a few hundred years and these fossils that get dug up were created at the same time as man and everything else. In other words, God created an Earth with the illusion of being millions of years old by inserting fossils of creatures that never existed and shaping geographic features. In His magnificance, he made a world for us that appears to be timeless.

H8sMikeMoore

if the earth is 6,000 years old then why is there light from stars billions of years away. unless he created the universe and didnt know what to do with it for billions of years.

i have seen bones of neanderthals and scientists have proof of what they are. neanderthals have lived alongside man.

but i suppose its easy for you to say sabretooth tigers existed, but you know... you never met one.

I've never met Einstein, but I knew he existed. :|

zakkro

Have you ever met Henry VIII, then how do you know he existed?

MetalGear_Ninty

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

Have you ever met a Neanderthal? No, of course not. You're simply going by what scientists have told you based on fossils dug up from the ground. But how do you know those fossils aren't just as old as us? I believe that God created the Earth around 6,000 years give or take a few hundred years and these fossils that get dug up were created at the same time as man and everything else. In other words, God created an Earth with the illusion of being millions of years old by inserting fossils of creatures that never existed and shaping geographic features. In His magnificance, he made a world for us that appears to be timeless.

orazinac

if the earth is 6,000 years old then why is there light from stars billions of years away. unless he created the universe and didnt know what to do with it for billions of years.

i have seen bones of neanderthals and scientists have proof of what they are. neanderthals have lived alongside man.

but i suppose its easy for you to say sabretooth tigers existed, but you know... you never met one.

its possible. leading science says that didnt happen largely. we actualyl found fossils of mixtures and they (the babies, none were found as adult) didnt live very long for whatever reason

Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.br0kenrabbit

neanderthals were like 4-5 feet tall. definitely not giants

Both of you stop. Remember that the topic creator is dealing with a powerful god that can do so whatever he pleases, which includes the manipulation of history. Yes, it's illogical, but so as long as chooses not to be ignorant to the facts as they present themselves (when there could be a god engineering it to appear that way), then I see no other problem with it.Genetic_Code

Just curious. "other species of man" means the others that are also extinct.

Ive never seen an atheist bring this up, and coincidently i never see creationists bring it up.

I usually hate religion threads but I want to see this.

so go.

H8sMikeMoore

Simple. God made it look like the existed, in order to test our faith.

Alternatively, the devil put the fossils there to turn people away from God.

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

Have you ever met a Neanderthal? No, of course not. You're simply going by what scientists have told you based on fossils dug up from the ground. But how do you know those fossils aren't just as old as us? I believe that God created the Earth around 6,000 years give or take a few hundred years and these fossils that get dug up were created at the same time as man and everything else. In other words, God created an Earth with the illusion of being millions of years old by inserting fossils of creatures that never existed and shaping geographic features. In His magnificance, he made a world for us that appears to be timeless.

zakkro

Have you ever met Henry VIII, then how do you know he exists?

Historical accounts, etc. We have no such resources to judge whether Neanderthal's existed. All we have are fossils, which as I said, were created by God when he created everything else.

The proof is all there in the Bible, since that is how it is written. I believe that the Bible is the right way to understand the universe.

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

Have you ever met a Neanderthal? No, of course not. You're simply going by what scientists have told you based on fossils dug up from the ground. But how do you know those fossils aren't just as old as us? I believe that God created the Earth around 6,000 years give or take a few hundred years and these fossils that get dug up were created at the same time as man and everything else. In other words, God created an Earth with the illusion of being millions of years old by inserting fossils of creatures that never existed and shaping geographic features. In His magnificance, he made a world for us that appears to be timeless.

zakkro

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

Have you ever met a Neanderthal? No, of course not. You're simply going by what scientists have told you based on fossils dug up from the ground. But how do you know those fossils aren't just as old as us? I believe that God created the Earth around 6,000 years give or take a few hundred years and these fossils that get dug up were created at the same time as man and everything else. In other words, God created an Earth with the illusion of being millions of years old by inserting fossils of creatures that never existed and shaping geographic features. In His magnificance, he made a world for us that appears to be timeless.

MetalGear_Ninty

Have you ever met Henry VIII, then how do you know he existed?

Great minds think alike, I suppose. :P

lol Creationism...o jeez.

No good reasoning to explain evolution. Because if God created "humans" He created neanderthals to become what they are today. So its kinda stupid to say that they are other species. So if there is so called God. God created evolution.

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

Just curious. "other species of man" means the others that are also extinct.

Ive never seen an atheist bring this up, and coincidently i never see creationists bring it up.

I usually hate religion threads but I want to see this.

so go.

MrGeezer

Simple. God made it look like the existed, in order to test our faith.

Alternatively, the devil put the fossils there to turn people away from God.

AAAND he made the other galaxies appear to be billions of years away to make us think the universe is older than 6,000 years

The proof is all there in the Bible, since that is how it is written. I believe that the Bible is the right way to understand the universe.

mysterylobster

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

Have you ever met a Neanderthal? No, of course not. You're simply going by what scientists have told you based on fossils dug up from the ground. But how do you know those fossils aren't just as old as us? I believe that God created the Earth around 6,000 years give or take a few hundred years and these fossils that get dug up were created at the same time as man and everything else. In other words, God created an Earth with the illusion of being millions of years old by inserting fossils of creatures that never existed and shaping geographic features. In His magnificance, he made a world for us that appears to be timeless.

mysterylobster

Have you ever met Henry VIII, then how do you know he exists?

Historical accounts, etc. We have no such resources to judge whether Neanderthal's existed. All we have are fossils, which as I said, were created by God when he created everything else.

Ken Miller (a christian biologist) said it best on that subject, during a talk on evolution, where he showed a perfect transition of ape into human chromosome, for which the only explanation of creationists wsa that "god only made it seem like it was fused, it's not really", he said "I believe in a God, but I do not believe in a deceptive one". Your explanation of the evidence that the Earth is not 6000 years old, andof humanity's ancestors, is to say "god wanted to make it look like we had ancestors and stuff for some reason". Right :roll:

[QUOTE="zakkro"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

Have you ever met a Neanderthal? No, of course not. You're simply going by what scientists have told you based on fossils dug up from the ground. But how do you know those fossils aren't just as old as us? I believe that God created the Earth around 6,000 years give or take a few hundred years and these fossils that get dug up were created at the same time as man and everything else. In other words, God created an Earth with the illusion of being millions of years old by inserting fossils of creatures that never existed and shaping geographic features. In His magnificance, he made a world for us that appears to be timeless.

mysterylobster

Have you ever met Henry VIII, then how do you know he exists?

Historical accounts, etc. We have no such resources to judge whether Neanderthal's existed. All we have are fossils, which as I said, were created by God when he created everything else.

The proof is all there in the Bible, since that is how it is written. I believe that the Bible is the right way to understand the universe.

Where in the Bible does it say that God created fossils? :?

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

Have you ever met a Neanderthal? No, of course not. You're simply going by what scientists have told you based on fossils dug up from the ground. But how do you know those fossils aren't just as old as us? I believe that God created the Earth around 6,000 years give or take a few hundred years and these fossils that get dug up were created at the same time as man and everything else. In other words, God created an Earth with the illusion of being millions of years old by inserting fossils of creatures that never existed and shaping geographic features. In His magnificance, he made a world for us that appears to be timeless.

mysterylobster

Have you ever met Henry VIII, then how do you know he exists?

Historical accounts, etc. We have no such resources to judge whether Neanderthal's existed. All we have are fossils, which as I said, were created by God when he created everything else.

But if we accept a trickster God, who will manipulate facts to fool us, then we cannot trust any empirical observation ever made. A simple application of Occam's razor suggests that the best course of action is to assume that such observations are reliable, otherwise all of science is out the window.

[QUOTE="zakkro"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

Have you ever met a Neanderthal? No, of course not. You're simply going by what scientists have told you based on fossils dug up from the ground. But how do you know those fossils aren't just as old as us? I believe that God created the Earth around 6,000 years give or take a few hundred years and these fossils that get dug up were created at the same time as man and everything else. In other words, God created an Earth with the illusion of being millions of years old by inserting fossils of creatures that never existed and shaping geographic features. In His magnificance, he made a world for us that appears to be timeless.

mysterylobster

Have you ever met Henry VIII, then how do you know he exists?

Historical accounts, etc. We have no such resources to judge whether Neanderthal's existed. All we have are fossils, which as I said, were created by God when he created everything else.

The proof is all there in the Bible, since that is how it is written. I believe that the Bible is the right way to understand the universe.

but we have proof of neanderthals and the bible dosent mention them.

[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"]

Both of you stop. Remember that the topic creator is dealing with a powerful god that can do so whatever he pleases, which includes the manipulation of history. Yes, it's illogical, but so as long as chooses not to be ignorant to the facts as they present themselves (when there could be a god engineering it to appear that way), then I see no other problem with it.zakkro

I know, but he can believe in whatever he wants to. At least he's not denying the existence of Neanderthals or at least from a human understanding. Regardless of how fanatical his approach may be, for all we could know, it could be correct.

[QUOTE="zakkro"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

Have you ever met a Neanderthal? No, of course not. You're simply going by what scientists have told you based on fossils dug up from the ground. But how do you know those fossils aren't just as old as us? I believe that God created the Earth around 6,000 years give or take a few hundred years and these fossils that get dug up were created at the same time as man and everything else. In other words, God created an Earth with the illusion of being millions of years old by inserting fossils of creatures that never existed and shaping geographic features. In His magnificance, he made a world for us that appears to be timeless.

Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

Have you ever met a Neanderthal? No, of course not. You're simply going by what scientists have told you based on fossils dug up from the ground. But how do you know those fossils aren't just as old as us? I believe that God created the Earth around 6,000 years give or take a few hundred years and these fossils that get dug up were created at the same time as man and everything else. In other words, God created an Earth with the illusion of being millions of years old by inserting fossils of creatures that never existed and shaping geographic features. In His magnificance, he made a world for us that appears to be timeless.

MetalGear_Ninty

Have you ever met Henry VIII, then how do you know he existed?

Great minds think alike, I suppose. :P

More like some people can't read past the first sentence. Am I right?

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.H8sMikeMoore

neanderthals were like 4-5 feet tall. definitely not giants

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

Just curious. "other species of man" means the others that are also extinct.

Ive never seen an atheist bring this up, and coincidently i never see creationists bring it up.

I usually hate religion threads but I want to see this.

so go.

MrGeezer

Simple. God made it look like the existed, in order to test our faith.

Alternatively, the devil put the fossils there to turn people away from God.

I forgot about that, yeah. The trickster god theory. lol, I love that Bill Hicks skit.

[QUOTE="zakkro"][QUOTE="Genetic_Code"]

Both of you stop. Remember that the topic creator is dealing with a powerful god that can do so whatever he pleases, which includes the manipulation of history. Yes, it's illogical, but so as long as chooses not to be ignorant to the facts as they present themselves (when there could be a god engineering it to appear that way), then I see no other problem with it.Genetic_Code

I know, but he can believe in whatever he wants to. At least he's not denying the existence of Neanderthals or at least from a human understanding. Regardless of how fanatical his approach may be, for all we could know, it could be correct.

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"][QUOTE="zakkro"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

Have you ever met a Neanderthal? No, of course not. You're simply going by what scientists have told you based on fossils dug up from the ground. But how do you know those fossils aren't just as old as us? I believe that God created the Earth around 6,000 years give or take a few hundred years and these fossils that get dug up were created at the same time as man and everything else. In other words, God created an Earth with the illusion of being millions of years old by inserting fossils of creatures that never existed and shaping geographic features. In His magnificance, he made a world for us that appears to be timeless.

H8sMikeMoore

Have you ever met Henry VIII, then how do you know he exists?

Historical accounts, etc. We have no such resources to judge whether Neanderthal's existed. All we have are fossils, which as I said, were created by God when he created everything else.

The proof is all there in the Bible, since that is how it is written. I believe that the Bible is the right way to understand the universe.

but we have proof of neanderthals and the bible dosent mention them.

Your proof has been dug up from the Earth, which the Bible says God created.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

Just curious. "other species of man" means the others that are also extinct.

Ive never seen an atheist bring this up, and coincidently i never see creationists bring it up.

I usually hate religion threads but I want to see this.

so go.

H8sMikeMoore

Simple. God made it look like the existed, in order to test our faith.

Alternatively, the devil put the fossils there to turn people away from God.

AAAND he made the other galaxies appear to be billions of years away to make us think the universe is older than 6,000 years

[QUOTE="zakkro"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

Have you ever met a Neanderthal? No, of course not. You're simply going by what scientists have told you based on fossils dug up from the ground. But how do you know those fossils aren't just as old as us? I believe that God created the Earth around 6,000 years give or take a few hundred years and these fossils that get dug up were created at the same time as man and everything else. In other words, God created an Earth with the illusion of being millions of years old by inserting fossils of creatures that never existed and shaping geographic features. In His magnificance, he made a world for us that appears to be timeless.

mysterylobster

Have you ever met Henry VIII, then how do you know he exists?

Historical accounts, etc. We have no such resources to judge whether Neanderthal's existed. All we have are fossils, which as I said, were created by God when he created everything else.

The proof is all there in the Bible, since that is how it is written. I believe that the Bible is the right way to understand the universe.