How do creationists explain Neanderthals and the other species of man?[NEW POLL]

Back to your statement, you are abosultely correct, if you believe in god then why dont you believe in the greek/roman gods? "Well theyre different.." no, they arent.

Well, yes they are different. The Christian God isn't just some character made up by man, he exists as something greater--a concept of a being that's infinitely wise, all loving and all powerful. So He's not just some God, but simply the only thing in the Universe which no other thing may be greater. That's why God must exist, because the greatest thing in the universe must have the attribute of "existence," since that which exists is greater than something that's just in your imagination. Praise Him!

mysterylobster

Oh the irony, please stop, too funny.:lol:

[QUOTE="SIapshot"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

and how do you know god created it? Why dosent the bible mention neanderthals? You'd think that would be an important story in the creation of man. Remember, its a complete FACT that they existed and were a seperate yet related species.

mysterylobster

It's not an important story, it's just a few bones that God put on the Earth when he created Man. You see, part of God's magnificence was to create not just Man but to create a world in which he appears to be part of something even greater. I don't think God is angry with Darwinist scientists. I'll bet he's thrilled by their ingenuity in trying to unravel this puzzle. Of course the truth is that their chasing an illusion.

It's not a lie, just an illusion. God never lied to us and said He didn't create the Earth. It's written right there in the Bible.

So why would God make the illusion of the Earth being older than it really is? That's a good question, and one that's not easy to answer. I will just say that it was part of his awesome design to remind us that we are part of something even greater.

You are sorely misinformed and misguided (if you're being honest and NOT joking around)

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"]

They got corrupted overtime.

MFaraz_Hayat

But not Islam? :roll:

Well, the Quranic text has not been changed......... By corruption I meant, that the religious texts had been changed in some manner.

Oh, surprise, surprise. Of course, the assumption there is that was right in the first place...

[QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"]

They got corrupted overtime.

Funky_Llama

But not Islam? :roll:

Well, the Quranic text has not been changed......... By corruption I meant, that the religious texts had been changed in some manner.

Oh, surprise, surprise. Of course, the assumption there is that was right in the first place...

Right as in? Are you talking about that Quran, since was compiled into book after Prophet's death might have been wrongly compiled?

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="SouL-Tak3R"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="orazinac"]I don't think there's enough information about all the past forms of humans to regard them as a different species, or to simply even know they existed.SouL-Tak3R

Not really. It is a stage of what humans used to be. Like birds used to have teeth, but now they no longer need them. Like humans now, many people are not growing molers anymore because humans do not use them like they did thousands of years ago.

humans were never EVER neanderthals. Neanderthals were in Europe when all humans lived in Africa still.

They have a special coming up soon about this. I'm watching the commerical now.

Its going to be on the nathional geo channel Sunday. Neanderthals arent the only form of previous human evolution either.

Humans were split up. They werent only in Africa. But remember Pangaea. It was all one giant land at one point. That is how species were seperated and that is why there are different species of birds and have differerent shaped beaks. They adapted and evolved.

yeah but pangae split before humans came around and neanderthals arent previous humans. we had a common ancestor all humans were in africa and all neanderthals were in europe and the middle east (maybe asia too i dunno)

when humans left africa we eventually met them. but if someones going to say that humans interbred with them that would imply that only africans are entirely HUMAN. Neanderthals had bigger brains than modern humans so that would be implying quite a lot

when is that on?

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"]

They got corrupted overtime.

MFaraz_Hayat

But not Islam? :roll:

Well, the Quranic text has not been changed......... By corruption I meant, that the religious texts had been changed in some manner.

Oh, surprise, surprise. Of course, the assumption there is that was right in the first place...

Right as in? Are you talking about that Quran, since was compiled into book after Prophet's death might have been wrongly compiled?

Nope... I'm suggesting it wasn't the word of God in the first place. It came pre-corrupted. :P

H8s, maybe I'm missing something here, but I'm not sure what point you are trying to make with this thread.

I skimmed through the pages, and it seems like you are asking: "why doesn't the Bible mention neanderthals?"

Let me know if I'm mistaken.

[QUOTE="SouL-Tak3R"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="SouL-Tak3R"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="orazinac"]I don't think there's enough information about all the past forms of humans to regard them as a different species, or to simply even know they existed.H8sMikeMoore

Not really. It is a stage of what humans used to be. Like birds used to have teeth, but now they no longer need them. Like humans now, many people are not growing molers anymore because humans do not use them like they did thousands of years ago.

humans were never EVER neanderthals. Neanderthals were in Europe when all humans lived in Africa still.

They have a special coming up soon about this. I'm watching the commerical now.

Its going to be on the nathional geo channel Sunday. Neanderthals arent the only form of previous human evolution either.

Humans were split up. They werent only in Africa. But remember Pangaea. It was all one giant land at one point. That is how species were seperated and that is why there are different species of birds and have differerent shaped beaks. They adapted and evolved.

yeah but pangae split before humans came around and neanderthals arent previous humans. we had a common ancestor all humans were in africa and all neanderthals were in europe and the middle east (maybe asia too i dunno)

when humans left africa we eventually met them. but if someones going to say that humans interbred with them that would imply that only africans are entirely HUMAN. Neanderthals had bigger brains than modern humans so that would be implying quite a lot

when is that on?

Well ya, their code is in us. But they were of a simlar basis as in the whole humans used to be monkeys.

Kind of true. but not really. They were simliar to monkeys but began getting food different and hiding up in trees etc which seperated the speices and made everything branch out more into what many monkeys exist today and humans and neanderthals that died off and such.

Its on tomorrow at 7 and 9 depending where you live I think.

[QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"]

They got corrupted overtime.

Funky_Llama

But not Islam? :roll:

Well, the Quranic text has not been changed......... By corruption I meant, that the religious texts had been changed in some manner.

Oh, surprise, surprise. Of course, the assumption there is that was right in the first place...

Right as in? Are you talking about that Quran, since was compiled into book after Prophet's death might have been wrongly compiled?

Nope... I'm suggesting it wasn't the word of God in the first place. It came pre-corrupted. :P

Lol, I know this will break down to "does God exist or no?" so lets just leave it.

Anyways, it is true that the Quran mentions several scientific facts such as expanding universe, birth of human being, ants communicating with each other(warning each other) etc.

Have you ever met a Neanderthal? No, of course not. You're simply going by what scientists have told you based on fossils dug up from the ground. But how do you know those fossils aren't just as old as us? I believe that God created the Earth around 6,000 years give or take a few hundred years and these fossils that get dug up were created at the same time as man and everything else. In other words, God created an Earth with the illusion of being millions of years old by inserting fossils of creatures that never existed and shaping geographic features. In His magnificance, he made a world for us that appears to be timeless.

mysterylobster

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

Have you ever met a Neanderthal? No, of course not. You're simply going by what scientists have told you based on fossils dug up from the ground. But how do you know those fossils aren't just as old as us? I believe that God created the Earth around 6,000 years give or take a few hundred years and these fossils that get dug up were created at the same time as man and everything else. In other words, God created an Earth with the illusion of being millions of years old by inserting fossils of creatures that never existed and shaping geographic features. In His magnificance, he made a world for us that appears to be timeless.

chester706

Can you please define what a fundamentalist is and what a catholic is? Thankyou.

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"][QUOTE="SIapshot"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

and how do you know god created it? Why dosent the bible mention neanderthals? You'd think that would be an important story in the creation of man. Remember, its a complete FACT that they existed and were a seperate yet related species.

SIapshot

It's not an important story, it's just a few bones that God put on the Earth when he created Man. You see, part of God's magnificence was to create not just Man but to create a world in which he appears to be part of something even greater. I don't think God is angry with Darwinist scientists. I'll bet he's thrilled by their ingenuity in trying to unravel this puzzle. Of course the truth is that their chasing an illusion.

It's not a lie, just an illusion. God never lied to us and said He didn't create the Earth. It's written right there in the Bible.

So why would God make the illusion of the Earth being older than it really is? That's a good question, and one that's not easy to answer. I will just say that it was part of his awesome design to remind us that we are part of something even greater.

You are sorely misinformed and misguided (if you're being honest and NOT joking around)

As I said, God never lied to us about our creation. He made us five days after creating the Earth.

His design for the Earth as something much older than Man only makes us appreciate more the magnificence of his creation. He not only created the trees and the oceans, but a whole backstory for our amazing world. It's humbling to gaze at such power, which is what I meant when I said it reminds us that we are part of something even greater. A world tailor made for us would not have the same effect.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"]

They got corrupted overtime.

MFaraz_Hayat

But not Islam? :roll:

Well, the Quranic text has not been changed......... By corruption I meant, that the religious texts had been changed in some manner.

Oh, surprise, surprise. Of course, the assumption there is that was right in the first place...

Right as in? Are you talking about that Quran, since was compiled into book after Prophet's death might have been wrongly compiled?

Nope... I'm suggesting it wasn't the word of God in the first place. It came pre-corrupted. :P

Lol, I know this will break down to "does God exist or no?" so lets just leave it.

Anyways, it is true that the Quran mentions several scientific facts such as expanding universe, birth of human being, ants communicating with each other(warning each other) etc.

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

Have you ever met a Neanderthal? No, of course not. You're simply going by what scientists have told you based on fossils dug up from the ground. But how do you know those fossils aren't just as old as us? I believe that God created the Earth around 6,000 years give or take a few hundred years and these fossils that get dug up were created at the same time as man and everything else. In other words, God created an Earth with the illusion of being millions of years old by inserting fossils of creatures that never existed and shaping geographic features. In His magnificance, he made a world for us that appears to be timeless.

chester706

No one said he was a Catholic. :|

[QUOTE="limpbizkit818"]

I don't believe the bible mentions Neanderthals or other early humans.

Maybe they could be explained away as animals?

H8sMikeMoore

the beauty of neanderthals is that the dna evidence proves theyre related to us, yet different. Suggesting that evolution is infact factual

so are chimps

[QUOTE="chester706"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

Have you ever met a Neanderthal? No, of course not. You're simply going by what scientists have told you based on fossils dug up from the ground. But how do you know those fossils aren't just as old as us? I believe that God created the Earth around 6,000 years give or take a few hundred years and these fossils that get dug up were created at the same time as man and everything else. In other words, God created an Earth with the illusion of being millions of years old by inserting fossils of creatures that never existed and shaping geographic features. In His magnificance, he made a world for us that appears to be timeless.

Funky_Llama

No one said he was a Catholic. :|

I am.

Also, I should say that I don't associate myself with fundamentalists. Fundies believe man coexisted with dinosaurs. I believe dinosaurs never existed and all evidence of them was created along with the Earth 6,000 years ago as part of God's design.

Lol, I know this will break down to "does God exist or no?" so lets just leave it.

Anyways, it is true that the Quran mentions several scientific facts such as expanding universe, birth of human being, ants communicating with each other(warning each other) etc.

MFaraz_Hayat

The passages claimed to predict scientific facts are shaky at best. I'd kind of think that God would perhaps be a bit more explicit in describing the Big Bang, expanding universe etc.

Also... knowing that ants communicate is hardly impressive...

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="chester706"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

Have you ever met a Neanderthal? No, of course not. You're simply going by what scientists have told you based on fossils dug up from the ground. But how do you know those fossils aren't just as old as us? I believe that God created the Earth around 6,000 years give or take a few hundred years and these fossils that get dug up were created at the same time as man and everything else. In other words, God created an Earth with the illusion of being millions of years old by inserting fossils of creatures that never existed and shaping geographic features. In His magnificance, he made a world for us that appears to be timeless.

mysterylobster

No one said he was a Catholic. :|

I am.

Are you? Oh. There goes my post then.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="chester706"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

Have you ever met a Neanderthal? No, of course not. You're simply going by what scientists have told you based on fossils dug up from the ground. But how do you know those fossils aren't just as old as us? I believe that God created the Earth around 6,000 years give or take a few hundred years and these fossils that get dug up were created at the same time as man and everything else. In other words, God created an Earth with the illusion of being millions of years old by inserting fossils of creatures that never existed and shaping geographic features. In His magnificance, he made a world for us that appears to be timeless.

mysterylobster

No one said he was a Catholic. :|

I am.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

No one said he was a Catholic. :|

mysterylobster

I am.

This is great. I mean the last time I checked Pope JPII claimed that Theory of Evolution is more than just a hypothesis, and that it doesn't deny in any way the existence of God's Spark - The Soul.

[QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"]

They got corrupted overtime.

SIapshot

But not Islam? :roll:

Well, the Quranic text has not been changed......... By corruption I meant, that the religious texts had been changed in some manner.

Oh, surprise, surprise. Of course, the assumption there is that was right in the first place...

Right as in? Are you talking about that Quran, since was compiled into book after Prophet's death might have been wrongly compiled?

Nope... I'm suggesting it wasn't the word of God in the first place. It came pre-corrupted. :P

Lol, I know this will break down to "does God exist or no?" so lets just leave it.

Anyways, it is true that the Quran mentions several scientific facts such as expanding universe, birth of human being, ants communicating with each other(warning each other) etc.

Are you talking about violence in battlefield quotes? I would like to see you, put your gun down and come in front of hostile enemy raising "peace" sign..... and if you don't get shot then i'll change my name.

As far as that wife-beating is concerned...... First of all, it is for wives who are cheating their husbands behind their back and already have been given warning 2 times. Secondly, the beating is to be such that it leaves no mark on the body nor can a man slap her. Now try understand this psychological effect: man finds evidence of his wife cheating, goes to beat her. Now he suddenly remembers he can't slap her (OH NOEZ). No matter, he'll strike her down and punch her in stomach. (OH NOEZ AGAIN), the beating is not to leave any mark nor cause physical pain! Damn, what to do now?

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

No one said he was a Catholic. :|

shinian

I am.

This is great. I mean the last time I checked Pope JPII claimed that Theory of Evolution is more than just a hypothesis, and that it doesn't deny in any way the existence of God's Spark - The Soul.

I believe dinosaurs never existed and all evidence of them was created along with the Earth 6,000 years ago as part of God's design.

mysterylobster

And the laughs keep on coming.

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="chester706"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

Have you ever met a Neanderthal? No, of course not. You're simply going by what scientists have told you based on fossils dug up from the ground. But how do you know those fossils aren't just as old as us? I believe that God created the Earth around 6,000 years give or take a few hundred years and these fossils that get dug up were created at the same time as man and everything else. In other words, God created an Earth with the illusion of being millions of years old by inserting fossils of creatures that never existed and shaping geographic features. In His magnificance, he made a world for us that appears to be timeless.

SIapshot

No one said he was a Catholic. :|

I am.

I'm not taking cheap shots at your faith, and I'd appreciated if you would treat me in kind.

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

Have you ever met a Neanderthal? No, of course not. You're simply going by what scientists have told you based on fossils dug up from the ground. But how do you know those fossils aren't just as old as us? I believe that God created the Earth around 6,000 years give or take a few hundred years and these fossils that get dug up were created at the same time as man and everything else. In other words, God created an Earth with the illusion of being millions of years old by inserting fossils of creatures that never existed and shaping geographic features. In His magnificance, he made a world for us that appears to be timeless.

MetalGear_Ninty

Have you ever met Henry VIII, then how do you know he existed?

I think that guy just made my neurons missfire. I find it hard to believe we're existing in the 21st century.

[QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"]

Lol, I know this will break down to "does God exist or no?" so lets just leave it.

Anyways, it is true that the Quran mentions several scientific facts such as expanding universe, birth of human being, ants communicating with each other(warning each other) etc.

Funky_Llama

The passages claimed to predict scientific facts are shaky at best. I'd kind of think that God would perhaps be a bit more explicit in describing the Big Bang, expanding universe etc.

Also... knowing that ants communicate is hardly impressive...

Nope, certain verses are clear-cut descriptions.

For example:

[QUOTE="SIapshot"][QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"]

They got corrupted overtime.

MFaraz_Hayat

But not Islam? :roll:

Well, the Quranic text has not been changed......... By corruption I meant, that the religious texts had been changed in some manner.

Oh, surprise, surprise. Of course, the assumption there is that was right in the first place...

Right as in? Are you talking about that Quran, since was compiled into book after Prophet's death might have been wrongly compiled?

Nope... I'm suggesting it wasn't the word of God in the first place. It came pre-corrupted. :P

Lol, I know this will break down to "does God exist or no?" so lets just leave it.

Anyways, it is true that the Quran mentions several scientific facts such as expanding universe, birth of human being, ants communicating with each other(warning each other) etc.

Are you talking about violence in battlefield quotes? I would like to see you, put your gun down and come in front of hostile enemy raising "peace" sign..... and if you don't get shot then i'll change my name.

As far as that wife-beating is concerned...... First of all, it is for wives who are cheating their husbands behind their back and already have been given warning 2 times. Secondly, the beating is to be such that it leaves no mark on the body nor can a man slap her. Now try understand this psychological effect: man finds evidence of his wife cheating, goes to beat her. Now he suddenly remembers he can't slap her (OH NOEZ). No matter, he'll strike her down and punch her in stomach. (OH NOEZ AGAIN), the beating is not to leave any mark nor cause physical pain! Damn, what to do now?

Oh, and get off your high horse

[QUOTE="chester706"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

Have you ever met a Neanderthal? No, of course not. You're simply going by what scientists have told you based on fossils dug up from the ground. But how do you know those fossils aren't just as old as us? I believe that God created the Earth around 6,000 years give or take a few hundred years and these fossils that get dug up were created at the same time as man and everything else. In other words, God created an Earth with the illusion of being millions of years old by inserting fossils of creatures that never existed and shaping geographic features. In His magnificance, he made a world for us that appears to be timeless.

MFaraz_Hayat

Can you please define what a fundamentalist is and what a catholic is? Thankyou.

[QUOTE="SIapshot"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="chester706"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

Have you ever met a Neanderthal? No, of course not. You're simply going by what scientists have told you based on fossils dug up from the ground. But how do you know those fossils aren't just as old as us? I believe that God created the Earth around 6,000 years give or take a few hundred years and these fossils that get dug up were created at the same time as man and everything else. In other words, God created an Earth with the illusion of being millions of years old by inserting fossils of creatures that never existed and shaping geographic features. In His magnificance, he made a world for us that appears to be timeless.

mysterylobster

No one said he was a Catholic. :|

I am.

I'm not taking cheap shots at your faith, and I'd appreciated if you would treat me in kind.

"In a major statement of the Roman Catholic Church's position on the theory of evolution, Pope John Paul II has proclaimed that the theory is 'more than just a hypothesis' and that evolution is compatible with Christian faith. In a written message to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, the pope said the theory of evolution has been buttressed by scientific studies and discoveries since Charles Darwin ... "It is indeed remarkable that this theory has progressively taken root in the minds of researchers following a series of discoveries made in different spheres of knowledge', the pope said in his message Wednesday. 'The convergence, neither sought nor provoked, of results of studies undertaken independently from each other constitutes, in itself, a significant argument in favor of this theory..."
http://www.cuttingedge.org/n1034.html

So, as a Catholic, are you calling Pope John Paul II a liar?

[QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"][QUOTE="SIapshot"][QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"]

They got corrupted overtime.

SIapshot

But not Islam? :roll:

Well, the Quranic text has not been changed......... By corruption I meant, that the religious texts had been changed in some manner.

Oh, surprise, surprise. Of course, the assumption there is that was right in the first place...

Right as in? Are you talking about that Quran, since was compiled into book after Prophet's death might have been wrongly compiled?

Nope... I'm suggesting it wasn't the word of God in the first place. It came pre-corrupted. :P

Lol, I know this will break down to "does God exist or no?" so lets just leave it.

Anyways, it is true that the Quran mentions several scientific facts such as expanding universe, birth of human being, ants communicating with each other(warning each other) etc.

Are you talking about violence in battlefield quotes? I would like to see you, put your gun down and come in front of hostile enemy raising "peace" sign..... and if you don't get shot then i'll change my name.

As far as that wife-beating is concerned...... First of all, it is for wives who are cheating their husbands behind their back and already have been given warning 2 times. Secondly, the beating is to be such that it leaves no mark on the body nor can a man slap her. Now try understand this psychological effect: man finds evidence of his wife cheating, goes to beat her. Now he suddenly remembers he can't slap her (OH NOEZ). No matter, he'll strike her down and punch her in stomach. (OH NOEZ AGAIN), the beating is not to leave any mark nor cause physical pain! Damn, what to do now?

Oh, and get off your high horse

Lol, try harder. Basic flaw of that link, and on front page too. Judging Islam by it's followers! Logically flawed!

Plus, don't just google for anti-islamic sites. Even if you do, then google for the responses for the claims that such biased sites make.

Have you ever met a Neanderthal? No, of course not. You're simply going by what scientists have told you based on fossils dug up from the ground. But how do you know those fossils aren't just as old as us? I believe that God created the Earth around 6,000 years give or take a few hundred years and these fossils that get dug up were created at the same time as man and everything else. In other words, God created an Earth with the illusion of being millions of years old by inserting fossils of creatures that never existed and shaping geographic features. In His magnificance, he made a world for us that appears to be timeless.

mysterylobster

Have you ever met Jesus? No, of course not.

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"][QUOTE="SIapshot"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="chester706"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

Have you ever met a Neanderthal? No, of course not. You're simply going by what scientists have told you based on fossils dug up from the ground. But how do you know those fossils aren't just as old as us? I believe that God created the Earth around 6,000 years give or take a few hundred years and these fossils that get dug up were created at the same time as man and everything else. In other words, God created an Earth with the illusion of being millions of years old by inserting fossils of creatures that never existed and shaping geographic features. In His magnificance, he made a world for us that appears to be timeless.

SIapshot

No one said he was a Catholic. :|

I am.

I'm not taking cheap shots at your faith, and I'd appreciated if you would treat me in kind.

"In a major statement of the Roman Catholic Church's position on the theory of evolution, Pope John Paul II has proclaimed that the theory is 'more than just a hypothesis' and that evolution is compatible with Christian faith. In a written message to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, the pope said the theory of evolution has been buttressed by scientific studies and discoveries since Charles Darwin ... "It is indeed remarkable that this theory has progressively taken root in the minds of researchers following a series of discoveries made in different spheres of knowledge', the pope said in his message Wednesday. 'The convergence, neither sought nor provoked, of results of studies undertaken independently from each other constitutes, in itself, a significant argument in favor of this theory..."
http://www.cuttingedge.org/n1034.html

So, as a Catholic, are you calling Pope John Paul II a liar?

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

Have you ever met a Neanderthal? No, of course not. You're simply going by what scientists have told you based on fossils dug up from the ground. But how do you know those fossils aren't just as old as us? I believe that God created the Earth around 6,000 years give or take a few hundred years and these fossils that get dug up were created at the same time as man and everything else. In other words, God created an Earth with the illusion of being millions of years old by inserting fossils of creatures that never existed and shaping geographic features. In His magnificance, he made a world for us that appears to be timeless.

laughingman42

Have you ever met Jesus? No, of course not.

:lol: No but he will blindly follow him and his storybook.

Have you ever met a Neanderthal? No, of course not. You're simply going by what scientists have told you based on fossils dug up from the ground. But how do you know those fossils aren't just as old as us? I believe that God created the Earth around 6,000 years give or take a few hundred years and these fossils that get dug up were created at the same time as man and everything else. In other words, God created an Earth with the illusion of being millions of years old by inserting fossils of creatures that never existed and shaping geographic features. In His magnificance, he made a world for us that appears to be timeless.

mysterylobster

you basicly said that if god exist he is (by his own defenition) evil and full of sin

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

Have you ever met a Neanderthal? No, of course not. You're simply going by what scientists have told you based on fossils dug up from the ground. But how do you know those fossils aren't just as old as us? I believe that God created the Earth around 6,000 years give or take a few hundred years and these fossils that get dug up were created at the same time as man and everything else. In other words, God created an Earth with the illusion of being millions of years old by inserting fossils of creatures that never existed and shaping geographic features. In His magnificance, he made a world for us that appears to be timeless.

laughingman42

Have you ever met Jesus? No, of course not.

Another person who can't read past the first sentence. I asked if he had met a Neanderthal because that would be only way to prove that God did not create the fossils at the same time as the Earth. Jesus isn't just a bunch of fossils. Ignoring his divinity, many historians admit that there's evidence he existed.

[QUOTE="SIapshot"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"][QUOTE="SIapshot"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="chester706"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

Have you ever met a Neanderthal? No, of course not. You're simply going by what scientists have told you based on fossils dug up from the ground. But how do you know those fossils aren't just as old as us? I believe that God created the Earth around 6,000 years give or take a few hundred years and these fossils that get dug up were created at the same time as man and everything else. In other words, God created an Earth with the illusion of being millions of years old by inserting fossils of creatures that never existed and shaping geographic features. In His magnificance, he made a world for us that appears to be timeless.

chester706

No one said he was a Catholic. :|

I am.

I'm not taking cheap shots at your faith, and I'd appreciated if you would treat me in kind.

"In a major statement of the Roman Catholic Church's position on the theory of evolution, Pope John Paul II has proclaimed that the theory is 'more than just a hypothesis' and that evolution is compatible with Christian faith. In a written message to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, the pope said the theory of evolution has been buttressed by scientific studies and discoveries since Charles Darwin ... "It is indeed remarkable that this theory has progressively taken root in the minds of researchers following a series of discoveries made in different spheres of knowledge', the pope said in his message Wednesday. 'The convergence, neither sought nor provoked, of results of studies undertaken independently from each other constitutes, in itself, a significant argument in favor of this theory..."
http://www.cuttingedge.org/n1034.html

So, as a Catholic, are you calling Pope John Paul II a liar?

[QUOTE="laughingman42"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

Have you ever met a Neanderthal? No, of course not. You're simply going by what scientists have told you based on fossils dug up from the ground. But how do you know those fossils aren't just as old as us? I believe that God created the Earth around 6,000 years give or take a few hundred years and these fossils that get dug up were created at the same time as man and everything else. In other words, God created an Earth with the illusion of being millions of years old by inserting fossils of creatures that never existed and shaping geographic features. In His magnificance, he made a world for us that appears to be timeless.

mysterylobster

Have you ever met Jesus? No, of course not.

Another person who can't read past the first sentence. I asked if he had met a Neanderthal because that would be only way to prove that God did not create the fossils at the same time as the Earth. Jesus isn't just a bunch of fossils.

[QUOTE="laughingman42"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

Have you ever met a Neanderthal? No, of course not. You're simply going by what scientists have told you based on fossils dug up from the ground. But how do you know those fossils aren't just as old as us? I believe that God created the Earth around 6,000 years give or take a few hundred years and these fossils that get dug up were created at the same time as man and everything else. In other words, God created an Earth with the illusion of being millions of years old by inserting fossils of creatures that never existed and shaping geographic features. In His magnificance, he made a world for us that appears to be timeless.

mysterylobster

Have you ever met Jesus? No, of course not.

Another person who can't read past the first sentence. I asked if he had met a Neanderthal because that would be only way to prove that God did not create the fossils at the same time as the Earth. Jesus isn't just a bunch of fossils.

No I read it. here I will elaborate.

Have you ever met Jesus? No, of course not. You are simply going by what your church has told you based on a book they have read, but how do you know that the book wasnt just made up by people?

Just curious. "other species of man" means the others that are also extinct.

Ive never seen an atheist bring this up, and coincidently i never see creationists bring it up.

I usually hate religion threads but I want to see this.

so go.

H8sMikeMoore

i'm not a strict creationist by my religion, but i believe every animal except the human has evolved over time. Why deny the openly observable? The link between the Neanderthals and humans has yet to be found.

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"][QUOTE="laughingman42"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

Have you ever met a Neanderthal? No, of course not. You're simply going by what scientists have told you based on fossils dug up from the ground. But how do you know those fossils aren't just as old as us? I believe that God created the Earth around 6,000 years give or take a few hundred years and these fossils that get dug up were created at the same time as man and everything else. In other words, God created an Earth with the illusion of being millions of years old by inserting fossils of creatures that never existed and shaping geographic features. In His magnificance, he made a world for us that appears to be timeless.

laughingman42

Have you ever met Jesus? No, of course not.

Another person who can't read past the first sentence. I asked if he had met a Neanderthal because that would be only way to prove that God did not create the fossils at the same time as the Earth. Jesus isn't just a bunch of fossils.

No I read it. here I will elaborate.

Have you ever met Jesus? No, of course not. You are simply going by what your church has told you based on a book they have read, but how do you know that the book wasnt just made up by people?

[QUOTE="laughingman42"]

No I read it. here I will elaborate.

Have you ever met Jesus? No, of course not. You are simply going by what your church has told you based on a book they have read, but how do you know that the book wasnt just made up by people?

SIapshot

Que?

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"][QUOTE="laughingman42"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

Have you ever met a Neanderthal? No, of course not. You're simply going by what scientists have told you based on fossils dug up from the ground. But how do you know those fossils aren't just as old as us? I believe that God created the Earth around 6,000 years give or take a few hundred years and these fossils that get dug up were created at the same time as man and everything else. In other words, God created an Earth with the illusion of being millions of years old by inserting fossils of creatures that never existed and shaping geographic features. In His magnificance, he made a world for us that appears to be timeless.

laughingman42

Have you ever met Jesus? No, of course not.

Another person who can't read past the first sentence. I asked if he had met a Neanderthal because that would be only way to prove that God did not create the fossils at the same time as the Earth. Jesus isn't just a bunch of fossils.

No I read it. here I will elaborate.

Have you ever met Jesus? No, of course not. You are simply going by what your church has told you based on a book they have read, but how do you know that the book wasnt just made up by people?

Events in the Bible have been proven by science and historians and it has stood up to centuries of inquiry.

I'll repeat that you guys can argue as long as you don't belittle my faith. It diminishes you and the integrity of this forum.

[QUOTE="SIapshot"][QUOTE="laughingman42"]

No I read it. here I will elaborate.

Have you ever met Jesus? No, of course not. You are simply going by what your church has told you based on a book they have read, but how do you know that the book wasnt just made up by people?

laughingman42

Que?

Events in the Bible have been proven by science and historians and it has stood up to centuries of inquiry.

I'll repeat that you guys can argue as long as you don't belittle my faith. It diminishes you and the integrity of this forum.

mysterylobster

I just want to know one thing. You stated that you are Catholic. Yet you take The Bible literally. You deny the words of Pope. Do you really think you are giving a good example of faith?

Events in the Bible have been proven by science and historians and it has stood up to centuries of inquiry.

I'll repeat that you guys can argue as long as you don't belittle my faith. It diminishes you and the integrity of this forum.

mysterylobster

Literal translations of the Hebrew word, yom, like our English word "day," can refer to a 24 hour day, sunrise to sunset (12 hours), or a long, unspecified period of time (as in "the day of the dinosaurs"). The Hebrew word ereb, translated evening also means "sunset," "night" or "ending of the day." The Hebrew word boqer, translated morning, also means "sunrise," "coming of light," "beginning of the day," or "dawning," with possible metaphoric usage. Our English expression: "The dawning of an age" serves to illustrate this point. This expression in Hebrew could use the word, boqer, for dawning, which, in Genesis 1, is often translated morning.

http://www.godandscience.org/youngearth/longdays.html

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

Events in the Bible have been proven by science and historians and it has stood up to centuries of inquiry.

I'll repeat that you guys can argue as long as you don't belittle my faith. It diminishes you and the integrity of this forum.

shinian

I just want to know one thing. You stated that you are Catholic. Yet you take The Bible literally. You deny the words of Pope. Do you really think you are giving a good example of faith?

The only thing I've said that takes the Bible literally was that God created the Earth. The Catholic Chirch is in agreement on this.

[QUOTE="laughingman42"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"][QUOTE="laughingman42"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

Have you ever met a Neanderthal? No, of course not. You're simply going by what scientists have told you based on fossils dug up from the ground. But how do you know those fossils aren't just as old as us? I believe that God created the Earth around 6,000 years give or take a few hundred years and these fossils that get dug up were created at the same time as man and everything else. In other words, God created an Earth with the illusion of being millions of years old by inserting fossils of creatures that never existed and shaping geographic features. In His magnificance, he made a world for us that appears to be timeless.

mysterylobster

Have you ever met Jesus? No, of course not.

Another person who can't read past the first sentence. I asked if he had met a Neanderthal because that would be only way to prove that God did not create the fossils at the same time as the Earth. Jesus isn't just a bunch of fossils.

No I read it. here I will elaborate.

Have you ever met Jesus? No, of course not. You are simply going by what your church has told you based on a book they have read, but how do you know that the book wasnt just made up by people?

Events in the Bible have been proven by science and historians and it has stood up to centuries of inquiry.

I'll repeat that you guys can argue as long as you don't belittle my faith. It diminishes you and the integrity of this forum.

So you are going on what scientists tell you about events in the bible but you dont think that people should go on what scientists tell you about evolution. Your logic is flawed.