How do creationists explain Neanderthals and the other species of man?[NEW POLL]

]You don't think the Bible is the source of modern science? I'll direct you, as I've done others, to a newish book called The Politically Correct Guide to the Bible. There are other sources, of course, but this one os the most available and asccesable for younger readers. mysterylobster

If you can give me just one useful invention or discovery that uses god as the source, I'll buy that book.

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

There's no allegorical meaning that could be drawn from the creation story. It is what it is. As for the Bible being wrong, it's the foundation of modern science, many accounts in the Bible have been proven, and it's been our guide to the nature of the universe far longer than any flavor-of-the-month crackpot scientific theory.

Funky_Llama

Why can't it have an allegorical meaning? Given the evidence, it makes much more sense to assume allegory than to postulate a decieving God. Simple application of Occam's razor. ;)

The Bible is the foundation of modern science? :lol: Fascinating. Please explain.

There's nothing deceptive about it. As I've said a few times already (please read what I've posted), God is direct with us in telling how He created the Earth.

You don't think the Bible is the source of modern science? I'll direct you, as I've done others, to a newish book called The Politically Correct Guide to the Bible. There are other sources, of course, but this one os the most available and asccesable for younger readers.

So God planting fossils to give the false impression of an older earth isn't deception? Just what definition of deception are you using? :lol:

I see you ignored my point about Occam's razor. Perhaps because you have no response. That, or you simply don't understand it. Which is it? :lol:

:roll: I'm not buying a book just on your recommendation. If anything, that's a reason for me not to buy it. Give me proof.

Creating an Earth that appears to be more timeless is part of His magnificent design. There are many mysterious aspects of His design that might not be obvious to our limited minds.

Also, I've already told you why I believe the science of the Darwinists is wrong, so I don't see what bringing up Occam's razor is going to accomplish. Try to use logic instead of throwing out random theories. I mean, I even proved God's existance a few posts back. So don't tell me what's more likely to be true without disproving me first.

And don't ignore my suggestions. I suggest you do more reading. More knowledge never hurt anyone.

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"]]You don't think the Bible is the source of modern science? I'll direct you, as I've done others, to a newish book called The Politically Correct Guide to the Bible. There are other sources, of course, but this one os the most available and asccesable for younger readers. reiv

If you can give me just one useful invention or discovery that uses god as the source, I'll buy that book.

Try to use logic instead of throwing out random theories.

mysterylobster

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

There's no allegorical meaning that could be drawn from the creation story. It is what it is. As for the Bible being wrong, it's the foundation of modern science, many accounts in the Bible have been proven, and it's been our guide to the nature of the universe far longer than any flavor-of-the-month crackpot scientific theory.

mysterylobster

Why can't it have an allegorical meaning? Given the evidence, it makes much more sense to assume allegory than to postulate a decieving God. Simple application of Occam's razor. ;)

The Bible is the foundation of modern science? :lol: Fascinating. Please explain.

There's nothing deceptive about it. As I've said a few times already (please read what I've posted), God is direct with us in telling how He created the Earth.

You don't think the Bible is the source of modern science? I'll direct you, as I've done others, to a newish book called The Politically Correct Guide to the Bible. There are other sources, of course, but this one os the most available and asccesable for younger readers.

So God planting fossils to give the false impression of an older earth isn't deception? Just what definition of deception are you using? :lol:

I see you ignored my point about Occam's razor. Perhaps because you have no response. That, or you simply don't understand it. Which is it? :lol:

:roll: I'm not buying a book just on your recommendation. If anything, that's a reason for me not to buy it. Give me proof.

Creating an Earth that appears to be more timeless is part of His magnificent design. There are many mysterious aspects of His design that might not be obvious to our limited minds.

Also, I've already told you why I believe the science of the Darwinists is wrong, so I don't see what bringing up Occam's razor is going to accomplish. Try to use logic instead of throwing out random theories. I mean, I even proved God's existance a few posts back. So don't tell me what's more likely to be true without disproving me first.

And don't ignore my suggestions. I suggest you do more reading. More knowledge never hurt anyone.

Irrelevant. It's still deception. Avoid the red herrings, please.

What the use of Occam's razor did, by the way, was show that Biblical literalism is wrong. ;) And you claim that you proved God's existence... clearly I missed it. Please direct me to this 'proof'.

By the way, are you aware just how ironic your posts are? :lol:

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"]]You don't think the Bible is the source of modern science? I'll direct you, as I've done others, to a newish book called The Politically Correct Guide to the Bible. There are other sources, of course, but this one os the most available and asccesable for younger readers. reiv

If you can give me just one useful invention or discovery that uses god as the source, I'll buy that book.

It's not so much using the Bible as a source as it is the way the Bible first formed our view of the Universe so that meaningful inquirely was possible. Take for example Job 26:7

"He Suspends The Earth Over Nothing"

Wow! What a radical idea. Without the Bible, man would have never thought to examine his place in the cosmos in these terms.

Or how about the size of the cosmos. From Isaiah 55:9

"As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts higher than your thoughts"

Praise Him and his guiding light. Through His word is the only path to true knowledge.

-ML

The proof is all there in the Bible, since that is how it is written. I believe that the Bible is the right way to understand the universe.

mysterylobster

Do you put up a tree at Christmas? You realize that your precious bible says you shouldn't do that, right?

It's not so much using the Bible as a source as it is the way the Bible first formed our view of the Universe so that meaningful inquirely was possible. Take for example Job 26:7

"He Suspends The Earth Over Nothing"

Wow! What a radical idea. Without the Bible, man would have never thought to examine his place in the cosmos in these terms.

Or how about the size of the cosmos. From Isaiah 55:9

"As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts higher than your thoughts"

Praise Him and his guiding light. Through His word is the only path to true knowledge.

-ML

mysterylobster

Um... that wasn't a discovery... just a restatement of what was already widely thought.

Also, I took this from another website, but it is interesting none the less.

Great Scientists Working From a Biblical Worldview:

Leonardo da Vinci (1452-1519) - Hydraulics, Anatomy
Johannes Kepler (1571-1630) - Celestial Mechanics, Astronomy
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662) - Hydrostatics, Fluid Pressure
Robert Boyle (1627-1691) - Chemistry, Elements, Gas Volume & Pressure, Scientific Method
Isaac Newton (1642-1727) - Calculus, Laws of Gravity & Motion
John Woodward (1665-1728) - Paleontology
Carl Linnaeus (1707-1778) - Systematic Biology ****fication
Georges Cuvier (1769-1832) - Comparative Anatomy, Vertebrate Paleontology
Michael Faraday (1791-1867) - Electromagnetics, Field Theory
Charles Babbage (1792-1871) - Computer Science
Louis Agassiz (1807-1873) - Ichthyology, Glacial Geology
James Joule (1818-1889) - Reversible Thermodynamics
Gregor Mendel (1822-1884) - Genetics
Louis Pasteur (1822-1895) - Bacteriology, Germs cause Disease, Law of Biogenesis
Lord Kelvin (1824-1907) - Thermodynamics, Energetics
William Ramsay (1852-1916) - Isotopic Chemistry

http://www.geocities.com/worldview_3/scientmethod.html

Also, I took this from another website, but it is interestin none the less.

Great Scientists Working From a Biblical Worldview:

Leonardo da Vinci (1452-1519) - Hydraulics, Anatomy
Johannes Kepler (1571-1630) - Celestial Mechanics, Astronomy
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662) - Hydrostatics, Fluid Pressure
Robert Boyle (1627-1691) - Chemistry, Elements, Gas Volume & Pressure, Scientific Method
Isaac Newton (1642-1727) - Calculus, Laws of Gravity & Motion
John Woodward (1665-1728) - Paleontology
Carl Linnaeus (1707-1778) - Systematic Biology ****fication
Georges Cuvier (1769-1832) - Comparative Anatomy, Vertebrate Paleontology
Michael Faraday (1791-1867) - Electromagnetics, Field Theory
Charles Babbage (1792-1871) - Computer Science
Louis Agassiz (1807-1873) - Ichthyology, Glacial Geology
James Joule (1818-1889) - Reversible Thermodynamics
Gregor Mendel (1822-1884) - Genetics
Louis Pasteur (1822-1895) - Bacteriology, Germs cause Disease, Law of Biogenesis
Lord Kelvin (1824-1907) - Thermodynamics, Energetics
William Ramsay (1852-1916) - Isotopic Chemistry

http://www.geocities.com/worldview_3/scientmethod.html

mysterylobster

How the heck do you relate the Bible and Hydraulics?

[QUOTE="reiv"]

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"]]You don't think the Bible is the source of modern science? I'll direct you, as I've done others, to a newish book called The Politically Correct Guide to the Bible. There are other sources, of course, but this one os the most available and asccesable for younger readers. mysterylobster

If you can give me just one useful invention or discovery that uses god as the source, I'll buy that book.

It's not so much using the Bible as a source as it is the way the Bible first formed our view of the Universe so that meaningful inquirely was possible. Take for example Job 26:7

"He Suspends The Earth Over Nothing"

Wow! What a radical idea. Without the Bible, man would have never thought to examine his place in the cosmos in these terms.

Or how about the size of the cosmos. From Isaiah 55:9

"As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts higher than your thoughts"

Praise Him and his guiding light. Through His word is the only path to true knowledge.

-ML

Your pricesless and clealry have no idea what your talking about when it comes to history.. Those ideas were shared and thought of far before the Bible was created.. Infact stuff like ATOMS/PARTICLES making up everything was already found in ancient greece! The majority of Bibles claims of science were discovered before its creation..

And the universe was already understood that way due to the fascination and creation of astrology before the bible was made..

Maybe you should read up in ancient Asian, African and European history.. The majority of the bibles scientific claims were things known far before its creation.

Honestly people like you scare me, you suspend all rational thought and warp all real evidence to fit the ideas of a single book you were most likely brought up with. Seriously guys stop argueing with this fellow, he is what we would like to call a extremists/fundamentalist.

Also, I took this from another website, but it is interesting none the less.

Great Scientists Working From a Biblical Worldview:

Leonardo da Vinci (1452-1519) - Hydraulics, Anatomy
Johannes Kepler (1571-1630) - Celestial Mechanics, Astronomy
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662) - Hydrostatics, Fluid Pressure
Robert Boyle (1627-1691) - Chemistry, Elements, Gas Volume & Pressure, Scientific Method
Isaac Newton (1642-1727) - Calculus, Laws of Gravity & Motion
John Woodward (1665-1728) - Paleontology
Carl Linnaeus (1707-1778) - Systematic Biology ****fication
Georges Cuvier (1769-1832) - Comparative Anatomy, Vertebrate Paleontology
Michael Faraday (1791-1867) - Electromagnetics, Field Theory
Charles Babbage (1792-1871) - Computer Science
Louis Agassiz (1807-1873) - Ichthyology, Glacial Geology
James Joule (1818-1889) - Reversible Thermodynamics
Gregor Mendel (1822-1884) - Genetics
Louis Pasteur (1822-1895) - Bacteriology, Germs cause Disease, Law of Biogenesis
Lord Kelvin (1824-1907) - Thermodynamics, Energetics
William Ramsay (1852-1916) - Isotopic Chemistry

http://www.geocities.com/worldview_3/scientmethod.html

mysterylobster

But not using the bible as a source. You're starting to create strawmen.

Actually it must have been difficult for a lot of those early scientists to break away from the mould and discard the literal bible. For example when James Hutton realized that the earth was not a few thousand years old. Incidentally, I've stood at Siccar Point and it's easy to see how ancient the rock formation is. All you have to do is look.

Also, I took this from another website, but it is interesting none the less.

Great Scientists Working From a Biblical Worldview:

Leonardo da Vinci (1452-1519) - Hydraulics, Anatomy
Johannes Kepler (1571-1630) - Celestial Mechanics, Astronomy
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662) - Hydrostatics, Fluid Pressure
Robert Boyle (1627-1691) - Chemistry, Elements, Gas Volume & Pressure, Scientific Method
Isaac Newton (1642-1727) - Calculus, Laws of Gravity & Motion
John Woodward (1665-1728) - Paleontology
Carl Linnaeus (1707-1778) - Systematic Biology ****fication
Georges Cuvier (1769-1832) - Comparative Anatomy, Vertebrate Paleontology
Michael Faraday (1791-1867) - Electromagnetics, Field Theory
Charles Babbage (1792-1871) - Computer Science
Louis Agassiz (1807-1873) - Ichthyology, Glacial Geology
James Joule (1818-1889) - Reversible Thermodynamics
Gregor Mendel (1822-1884) - Genetics
Louis Pasteur (1822-1895) - Bacteriology, Germs cause Disease, Law of Biogenesis
Lord Kelvin (1824-1907) - Thermodynamics, Energetics
William Ramsay (1852-1916) - Isotopic Chemistry

http://www.geocities.com/worldview_3/scientmethod.html

mysterylobster

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

Also, I took this from another website, but it is interesting none the less.

Great Scientists Working From a Biblical Worldview:

Leonardo da Vinci (1452-1519) - Hydraulics, Anatomy
Johannes Kepler (1571-1630) - Celestial Mechanics, Astronomy
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662) - Hydrostatics, Fluid Pressure
Robert Boyle (1627-1691) - Chemistry, Elements, Gas Volume & Pressure, Scientific Method
Isaac Newton (1642-1727) - Calculus, Laws of Gravity & Motion
John Woodward (1665-1728) - Paleontology
Carl Linnaeus (1707-1778) - Systematic Biology ****fication
Georges Cuvier (1769-1832) - Comparative Anatomy, Vertebrate Paleontology
Michael Faraday (1791-1867) - Electromagnetics, Field Theory
Charles Babbage (1792-1871) - Computer Science
Louis Agassiz (1807-1873) - Ichthyology, Glacial Geology
James Joule (1818-1889) - Reversible Thermodynamics
Gregor Mendel (1822-1884) - Genetics
Louis Pasteur (1822-1895) - Bacteriology, Germs cause Disease, Law of Biogenesis
Lord Kelvin (1824-1907) - Thermodynamics, Energetics
William Ramsay (1852-1916) - Isotopic Chemistry

http://www.geocities.com/worldview_3/scientmethod.html

DrummerJon

I think a better thing to point out was were these people extremists like Lobster that beleived in the entire 6000 year old earth, noahs Ark etc etc.. My guess would be absolutely NOT, the majority of these fields people are taking directly contridcit the literal sense of the bible in alot of places.

Just curious. "other species of man" means the others that are also extinct.

Ive never seen an atheist bring this up, and coincidently i never see creationists bring it up.

I usually hate religion threads but I want to see this.

so go.

H8sMikeMoore

Not enough poll choices. i believe Neanderthals are a stage of God's design to create the first man.

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

The proof is all there in the Bible, since that is how it is written. I believe that the Bible is the right way to understand the universe.

Tylendal

Do you put up a tree at Christmas? You realize that your precious bible says you shouldn't do that, right?

Hmm. Mind sharing that verse please?

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

Just curious. "other species of man" means the others that are also extinct.

Ive never seen an atheist bring this up, and coincidently i never see creationists bring it up.

I usually hate religion threads but I want to see this.

so go.

Trashface

Not enough poll choices. i believe Neanderthals are a stage of God's design to create the first man.

Well, wouldn't that mean that god is not perfext since they failed at surviving?

[QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

Just curious. "other species of man" means the others that are also extinct.

Ive never seen an atheist bring this up, and coincidently i never see creationists bring it up.

I usually hate religion threads but I want to see this.

so go.

astiop

Not enough poll choices. i believe Neanderthals are a stage of God's design to create the first man.

Well, wouldn't that mean that god is not perfext since they failed at surviving?

I agree

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

Just curious. "other species of man" means the others that are also extinct.

Ive never seen an atheist bring this up, and coincidently i never see creationists bring it up.

I usually hate religion threads but I want to see this.

so go.

Trashface

Not enough poll choices. i believe Neanderthals are a stage of God's design to create the first man.

so hes not perfect?

also, that would only make sense if neanderthals were an ancestor of ours. which they arent