How do creationists explain Neanderthals and the other species of man?[NEW POLL]

They are obviously tricks God planted in the ground to weed out the unfaithful.

jk, this is actually the opposite of what I think. Kind of. As a thiest (thiestic evolutionist on the whole creation issue) I think that YECs have taken this whole faith thing too far. Its belief in God, not disbelief in science. But the argument above does sum up some of the reasoning YECs use to justifytheir viewpoint. They also say that all of those animals existed but were wiped out by the Flood.

[QUOTE="Red-XIII"][lol I get it now, you're a fake troll. You all had us gong there.ZeRo-ZeN

Yeah, over at www.fstdt.com there's a plethora of insane quotes. I think this one qualifies.

[QUOTE="the_one34"]Macroevolution = many instances of microevolution over a long period.ZeRo-ZeN

I've been waiting to use this :P

[QUOTE="orazinac"]I don't think there's enough information about all the past forms of humans to regard them as a different species, or to simply even know they existed.H8sMikeMoore

we have dna proof. We have reconstructed models of them. Its a fact they exist and a fact they were a different species.

could you please show me the proof?

mysterylobster gives creationists bad name. Really bad name.

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

If you think about it logically, then you can see why no proof is needed. God created man soon after he formed the Earth. So how can there be fossils found in the Earth that are of animals that existed MILLIONS of years before man? It makes no sense. The only conclusion you can reach is that the Earth as created by God already had evidence of great age when it was first made, just as a movie set designer might make something to look very old.

astiop

Wrong, the Raptor God made humans after he wiped out the dinosaurs, because his son raptor jesus failed to erase sin from the dinos...

You're both wrong. It was the flying spaghetti monster.

mysterylobster gives creationists bad name. Really bad name.

Link256

Meh, Kent Hovind is worse.zakkro

mysterylobster gives creationists bad name. Really bad name.

Link256

I wasn't aware that there were creationists with a good name :/

I think the reason it isn't brought up is because creationists don't believe Neanderthals were a different species. That's the only reason I can think of. It's absurd, it's a fact that they did exist, they are related to humans, they are a different species which I read is in part why they went extinct. They were similar, but not enough to procreate and make hybrid Neanderthal/Homospaien offspring.ElectronicMagic

I dunno have you seen some people? I mean some of them practically walk with their knuckles on the ground XD

I saw a documentary some time ago which talked of a fossil child no older than 8 which they believed could have been a human hybrid. It had skeletal characteristics common to both neanderthals and homosapiens.

[QUOTE="zakkro"]Meh, Kent Hovind is worse.foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="ElectronicMagic"]I think the reason it isn't brought up is because creationists don't believe Neanderthals were a different species. That's the only reason I can think of. It's absurd, it's a fact that they did exist, they are related to humans, they are a different species which I read is in part why they went extinct. They were similar, but not enough to procreate and make hybrid Neanderthal/Homospaien offspring.Mew_chan

I dunno have you seen some people? I mean some of them practically walk with their knuckles on the ground XD

I saw a documentary some time ago which talked of a fossil child no older than 8 which they believed could have been a human hybrid. It had skeletal characteristics common to both neanderthals and homosapiens.

In a documentary I watched a long time ago, it stated that Neanderthals lacked the same cognitive abilities as Cro Magnons (our ancestors) which lead to their demise. As Cro Magnons spread across thhe globe, they would have been in competition for food with Neanderthals and ultimately proved the fitter species.

It also did explore the possibility of hyrbrids, and there have been remains found that suggest it. But DNA analysis of modern humans shows that their bloodlines are long gone.

I don't think there's enough information about all the past forms of humans to regard them as a different species, or to simply even know they existed.orazinac

Oh my my. Have you been to museum? See this is what I don't understand, how can people not acknowledge something that is simply true.

He's in there for what, 10 years, right?zakkro

[QUOTE="Link256"]

mysterylobster gives creationists bad name. Really bad name.

astiop

I wasn't aware that there were creationists with a good name :/

There are. You just don't hear about them because they arent trying to shove their beliefs down your throat. I'm friends with one of them.

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"][QUOTE="laughingman42"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

Have you ever met a Neanderthal? No, of course not. You're simply going by what scientists have told you based on fossils dug up from the ground. But how do you know those fossils aren't just as old as us? I believe that God created the Earth around 6,000 years give or take a few hundred years and these fossils that get dug up were created at the same time as man and everything else. In other words, God created an Earth with the illusion of being millions of years old by inserting fossils of creatures that never existed and shaping geographic features. In His magnificance, he made a world for us that appears to be timeless.

zakkro

Have you ever met Jesus? No, of course not.

Another person who can't read past the first sentence. I asked if he had met a Neanderthal because that would be only way to prove that God did not create the fossils at the same time as the Earth. Jesus isn't just a bunch of fossils.

Also

Occam's razor defies ML's assertion. And because his assertion is more extreme, he needs the more extreme evidence to disprove the DNA, the dating of the fossils etc.

[QUOTE="SIapshot"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

I'll repeat that you guys can argue as long as you don't belittle my faith. It diminishes you and the integrity of this forum.

Genetic_Code

It is YOU who is belittling your own faith by claiming to be Catholic, then going against the teachings of the Catholic Church.

As a Catholic, I'M the one who should be offended by your rantings. You claim to be Catholic, yet you go against the teachings of Christs' living representative here on earth. Maybe you need to rethink your Christian denomination because you obviously don't agree with Catholicism.

:roll: Come on now. Believing in a trickster god does not "go against the teachings of Christs' living representative here on Earth".

Again, Occam's razor is much needed in this situation, otherwise the possibilities are endless.

I have proof of dinosaurs actually living alongside with humans and an explanation on how they were killed :DNex_Rex

Please enlighten us...

:lol:

I thought this was the reason

but you have shed new light to mein eyes!

I think it's funny how people insult my intelligence, while at the same time failing to even address my main points. So far, nobody has come close to providing a coherent rebuttal to my claim that evidence for dinosaurs and neanderthals (among other imaginary beasts) were created at the same time as the formation of the Earth by God, a simple and powerful idea. On the other hand, Darwinists still can't work out how evolution supposedly works, and science is still in the dark concerning the creation of the universe.

So I ask you again, how do you know that these fossils aren't as old a we are, in accordance with the scripture? How do you know they weren't created by God as part of His design of the Earth?

I think it's funny how people insult my intelligence, while at the same time failing to even address my main points. So far, nobody has come close to providing a coherent rebuttal to my claim that evidence for dinosaurs and neanderthals (among other imaginary beasts) were created at the same time as the formation of the Earth by God, a simple and powerful idea. On the other hand, Darwinists still can't work out how evolution supposedly works, and science is still in the dark concerning the creation of the universe.

So I ask you again, how do you know that these fossils aren't as old a we are, in accordance with the scripture? How do you know they weren't created by God as part of His design of the Earth?

mysterylobster

duh, your claims are pointless since I can say a godess (well why always a bearded he? why not a hot she? :D) created us 1 day ago and everything we remember are memories she put into us, does it make any sense at all? NO, can it be disproven? NO. My theory is just as good as yours. I can make the claim that only I exsist and everything else is just a computer program making me belive there is a world, again does it make any sense at all? hell no. Can anyone disprove it? no. I can make the claim that some giant cat lives in the universe who is omnipotent, basicly god, and all cats on earth are his spies preparing the world for the catapocalypse, etc etc etc

whats the point of god putting the fosils there? for **** and giggles? Everything can be explained with "god/aliens/robots/cute kittens did it" but thats not how science works, with that way of thinking we would still be chasing eachothers with sticks. You can make any claim whatsoever about the supernatural since no one can disprove it, but thats simply not how science works, science works on facts, facts say the earth is 4.5 billion years old and facts say neanderthals exsisted. Any supernatural explanations have by defenition nothing to do with science and are beacose of this ignored and laughed at.

and scientist have a very good understanding of how evolution works.

I think it's funny how people insult my intelligence, while at the same time failing to even address my main points. So far, nobody has come close to providing a coherent rebuttal to my claim that evidence for dinosaurs and neanderthals (among other imaginary beasts) were created at the same time as the formation of the Earth by God, a simple and powerful idea. On the other hand, Darwinists still can't work out how evolution supposedly works, and science is still in the dark concerning the creation of the universe.

So I ask you again, how do you know that these fossils aren't as old a we are, in accordance with the scripture? How do you know they weren't created by God as part of His design of the Earth?

mysterylobster

we know theyre older because of cabon dating. neanderthals lived at the same time as humans but in different areas of the world and we know theyre a different species of human kind because of dna. why do you say theyre imaginary and then say they lived alongside humans?

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="limpbizkit818"]

I don't believe the bible mentions Neanderthals or other early humans.

Maybe they could be explained away as animals?

limpbizkit818

the beauty of neanderthals is that the dna evidence proves theyre related to us, yet different. Suggesting that evolution is infact factual

But could a creationist not say that Neanderthals are animals and therfore fall under the "God created animals" part of the story?

Neanderthals were no more animals then us, they had humanly intelligence.. They used tools, wore clothing, had communities, and showed artistic value in drawing in that one cave they found in France.

[QUOTE="limpbizkit818"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="limpbizkit818"]

I don't believe the bible mentions Neanderthals or other early humans.

Maybe they could be explained away as animals?

sSubZerOo

the beauty of neanderthals is that the dna evidence proves theyre related to us, yet different. Suggesting that evolution is infact factual

But could a creationist not say that Neanderthals are animals and therfore fall under the "God created animals" part of the story?

Neanderthals were no more animals then us, they had humanly intelligence.. They used tools, wore clothing, had communities, and showed artistic value in drawing in that one cave they found in France.

dont forget they had religion too. they buried there dead in a ritualistic fashion.

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

I think it's funny how people insult my intelligence, while at the same time failing to even address my main points. So far, nobody has come close to providing a coherent rebuttal to my claim that evidence for dinosaurs and neanderthals (among other imaginary beasts) were created at the same time as the formation of the Earth by God, a simple and powerful idea. On the other hand, Darwinists still can't work out how evolution supposedly works, and science is still in the dark concerning the creation of the universe.

So I ask you again, how do you know that these fossils aren't as old a we are, in accordance with the scripture? How do you know they weren't created by God as part of His design of the Earth?

H8sMikeMoore

we know theyre older because of cabon dating. neanderthals lived at the same time as humans but in different areas of the world and we know theyre a different species of human kind because of dna. why do you say theyre imaginary and then say they lived alongside humans?

Don't bother tryign to argue with him.. He will clearly say god made the carbon that old to appear that.. The only thing is to be argued is why would god set such things down? Isn't the being supposed to be trustworthy and honest? There is no purpose in creating those there.. Certainly it isn't a test, because in the end there really hasn't been a "supposed" miracle sense Christ.. Thats 2000 years.. If anything the real test is wondering why god is clearly so inactive now, when he was so clearly active back then.

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

I think it's funny how people insult my intelligence, while at the same time failing to even address my main points. So far, nobody has come close to providing a coherent rebuttal to my claim that evidence for dinosaurs and neanderthals (among other imaginary beasts) were created at the same time as the formation of the Earth by God, a simple and powerful idea. On the other hand, Darwinists still can't work out how evolution supposedly works, and science is still in the dark concerning the creation of the universe.

So I ask you again, how do you know that these fossils aren't as old a we are, in accordance with the scripture? How do you know they weren't created by God as part of His design of the Earth?

sSubZerOo

we know theyre older because of cabon dating. neanderthals lived at the same time as humans but in different areas of the world and we know theyre a different species of human kind because of dna. why do you say theyre imaginary and then say they lived alongside humans?

Don't bother tryign to argue with him.. He will clearly say god made the carbon that old to appear that.. The only thing is to be argued is why would god set such things down? Isn't the being supposed to be trustworthy and honest? There is no purpose in creating those there.. Certainly it isn't a test, because in the end there really hasn't been a "supposed" miracle sense Christ.. Thats 2000 years.. If anything the real test is wondering why god is clearly so inactive now, when he was so clearly active back then.

maybe satan killed god.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

I think it's funny how people insult my intelligence, while at the same time failing to even address my main points. So far, nobody has come close to providing a coherent rebuttal to my claim that evidence for dinosaurs and neanderthals (among other imaginary beasts) were created at the same time as the formation of the Earth by God, a simple and powerful idea. On the other hand, Darwinists still can't work out how evolution supposedly works, and science is still in the dark concerning the creation of the universe.

So I ask you again, how do you know that these fossils aren't as old a we are, in accordance with the scripture? How do you know they weren't created by God as part of His design of the Earth?

H8sMikeMoore

we know theyre older because of cabon dating. neanderthals lived at the same time as humans but in different areas of the world and we know theyre a different species of human kind because of dna. why do you say theyre imaginary and then say they lived alongside humans?

Don't bother tryign to argue with him.. He will clearly say god made the carbon that old to appear that.. The only thing is to be argued is why would god set such things down? Isn't the being supposed to be trustworthy and honest? There is no purpose in creating those there.. Certainly it isn't a test, because in the end there really hasn't been a "supposed" miracle sense Christ.. Thats 2000 years.. If anything the real test is wondering why god is clearly so inactive now, when he was so clearly active back then.

maybe satan killed god.

maybe miss god got really fed up that mr. god couldn't stop watching some stupid species on the planet earth and throwed him out of "the house"? and he is now the roommate with mr. satan. I heard they play poker with elvis every monday night.

I think it's funny how people insult my intelligence, while at the same time failing to even address my main points. So far, nobody has come close to providing a coherent rebuttal to my claim that evidence for dinosaurs and neanderthals (among other imaginary beasts) were created at the same time as the formation of the Earth by God, a simple and powerful idea. On the other hand, Darwinists still can't work out how evolution supposedly works, and science is still in the dark concerning the creation of the universe.

So I ask you again, how do you know that these fossils aren't as old a we are, in accordance with the scripture? How do you know they weren't created by God as part of His design of the Earth?

mysterylobster

Your ignorance in science is astounding, to say the least.

We know that dinosaur fossils are much older than humans because of their positions in sedimentary layers and radiometric dating. Radiometric dating involves several radioactive substances and their isotope, where the raito of the daughter to the parent atoms can be used to find the date of the fossil. Also, there are about 12 different radioactive substances which are used, and when they all point to more or less the same date,ie not less than 65 million years ago, you can rest assured that science is pretty much right ;)

The Flintstones isn't meant to be watched as a documentary!

Oh, but since that contradicts the Holy Scriptues. it must be wrong! Remember people, antibiotics use evolutionary theory to predict the evolution of bacteria, they are a lie!

EDIT: I just realised: You're calling neanderthals and dinosaurs imaginary beasts? Are you REALLY this ignorant or are you just trolling?

EDIT2: Darwinists cant figure out of evolution works? Yeah, that must be why there are about 250,000 peer-reviewed papers on pub-med, each in favour of evolution. Also, there is no such as thing as a Darwinist as much as there is a Newtonist,Einsteinis, Faradayist, Mendlevist, Planckist or Pasteurist.

This is literally day one biology.

i guess the atheists win this oneH8sMikeMoore

No, evolutionists "win" this one, although this isn't a competition.

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]i guess the atheists win this oneGenetic_Code

No, evolutionists "win" this one, although this isn't a competition.

of course it is. competing thoughts.

i guess the atheists win this oneH8sMikeMoore

What does atheism have to do with this.

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]i guess the atheists win this oneMindFreeze

What does atheism have to do with this.

i think the fact that the bible dosent mention neanderthals and neanderthals essenitally prove evolution to be true that creationism fails.

[QUOTE="MindFreeze"]

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]i guess the atheists win this oneH8sMikeMoore

What does atheism have to do with this.

i think the fact that the bible dosent mention neanderthals and neanderthals essenitally prove evolution to be true that creationism fails.

Say what?:?

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="MindFreeze"]

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]i guess the atheists win this oneMindFreeze

What does atheism have to do with this.

i think the fact that the bible dosent mention neanderthals and neanderthals essenitally prove evolution to be true that creationism fails.

Say what?:?

what are you confused about?

what are you confused about?

H8sMikeMoore

What I don't like about your poll is that it divides the people between creationists and atheists (although evolutionists are included with atheists, not all evolutionists are atheists) and even more so, theistic evolution is part of creationism. What you're thinking of is Young Earth creationism. So technically, both sides could have claimed a victory.

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

what are you confused about?

Genetic_Code

What I don't like about your poll is that it divides the people between creationists and atheists (although evolutionists are included with atheists, not all evolutionists are atheists) and even more so, theistic evolution is part of creationism. What you're thinking of is Young Earth creationism. So technically, both sides could have claimed a victory.

i put both atheists and evolutionists for a reason

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

I think it's funny how people insult my intelligence, while at the same time failing to even address my main points. So far, nobody has come close to providing a coherent rebuttal to my claim that evidence for dinosaurs and neanderthals (among other imaginary beasts) were created at the same time as the formation of the Earth by God, a simple and powerful idea. On the other hand, Darwinists still can't work out how evolution supposedly works, and science is still in the dark concerning the creation of the universe.

So I ask you again, how do you know that these fossils aren't as old a we are, in accordance with the scripture? How do you know they weren't created by God as part of His design of the Earth?

the_one34

Your ignorance in science is astounding, to say the least.

We know that dinosaur fossils are much older than humans because of their positions in sedimentary layers and radiometric dating. Radiometric dating involves several radioactive substances and their isotope, where the raito of the daughter to the parent atoms can be used to find the date of the fossil. Also, there are about 12 different radioactive substances which are used, and when they all point to more or less the same date,ie not less than 65 million years ago, you can rest assured that science is pretty much right ;)

Perhaps you missed the part when I said God created the Earth with the intent to make it look very old. That pretty much throws out any argument you want to make about rock strata and carbon dating. Now, if you care to respond directly to my argument, be my guest. Just take the time to read what I'm saying before throwing out irrelevant science.

Also, don't assume I don't understand the arguments of the Darwinists. I probably understand the science of evolution better than anyone here. I simply reject it.

Don't bother tryign to argue with him.. He will clearly say god made the carbon that old to appear that.. The only thing is to be argued is why would god set such things down? Isn't the being supposed to be trustworthy and honest?

sSubZerOo

Well, at least you have read my posts, unlike "the_one." However, I'll repeat that God is not being deceitful here. The Bible clearly lays out His act of creation. Obviously, creating the Earth with the characteristic of appearing much older was part of His perfect design, and I'm not about to question it.

I'm a Christian and I believe in evolution, so that explains it.

There are hundreds of essays with varying points of view on this, you'd have to google them.

Biblical scholars go to very great lengths to see if things "fit".

Since I'm not a Biblical scholar, you'd have to find their essays.

[QUOTE="the_one34"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

I think it's funny how people insult my intelligence, while at the same time failing to even address my main points. So far, nobody has come close to providing a coherent rebuttal to my claim that evidence for dinosaurs and neanderthals (among other imaginary beasts) were created at the same time as the formation of the Earth by God, a simple and powerful idea. On the other hand, Darwinists still can't work out how evolution supposedly works, and science is still in the dark concerning the creation of the universe.

So I ask you again, how do you know that these fossils aren't as old a we are, in accordance with the scripture? How do you know they weren't created by God as part of His design of the Earth?

mysterylobster

Your ignorance in science is astounding, to say the least.

We know that dinosaur fossils are much older than humans because of their positions in sedimentary layers and radiometric dating. Radiometric dating involves several radioactive substances and their isotope, where the raito of the daughter to the parent atoms can be used to find the date of the fossil. Also, there are about 12 different radioactive substances which are used, and when they all point to more or less the same date,ie not less than 65 million years ago, you can rest assured that science is pretty much right ;)

Perhaps you missed the part when I said God created the Earth with the intent to make it look very old. That pretty much throws out any argument you want to make about rock strata and carbon dating. Now, if you care to respond directly to my argument, be my guest. Just take the time to read what I'm saying before throwing out irrelevant science.

Also, don't assume I don't understand the arguments of the Darwinists. I probably understand the science of evolution better than anyone here. I simply reject it.

Don't bother tryign to argue with him.. He will clearly say god made the carbon that old to appear that.. The only thing is to be argued is why would god set such things down? Isn't the being supposed to be trustworthy and honest?

sSubZerOo

Well, at least you have read my posts, unlike "the_one." However, I'll repeat that God is not being deceitful here. The Bible clearly lays out His act of creation. Obviously, creating the Earth with the characteristic of appearing much older was part of His perfect design, and I'm not about to question it.

How can I possibly argue against that?

You believe in a deceitful designer that gave us massive quantities of evidence to show that the earth is 4.5 billion years old and that we share a common ancestor with all the other animals on this planet? It throws out any evidence in ANY scientific field what so ever.

Are you serious? Are you really that ignorant and deluded?

Also, the bible mentions the earth being flat, a global flood, dinosaurs living with man and countless other scientific obscenities. Do you throw away all science which contradicts the bible?

Why then do you accept medicine? It uses evolution quite often you know :|

AGAIN, irrelevant science? Evolution is all about palentology,taxonomy,geology,physics,chemistry,biochemistry etc...these are all irrelevant? Huh?

Perhaps you missed the part when I said God created the Earth with the intent to make it look very old. That pretty much throws out any argument you want to make about rock strata and carbon dating. Now, if you care to respond directly to my argument, be my guest. Just take the time to read what I'm saying before throwing out irrelevant science.mysterylobster

This is a class example of an appeal to authority. So you are saying you know god created the earth to look old. Where did you get this information? Is it in the bible?

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"]Perhaps you missed the part when I said God created the Earth with the intent to make it look very old. That pretty much throws out any argument you want to make about rock strata and carbon dating. Now, if you care to respond directly to my argument, be my guest. Just take the time to read what I'm saying before throwing out irrelevant science.reiv

This is a class example of an appeal to authority. So you are saying you know god created the earth to look old. Where did you get this information? Is it in the bible?

Ahh, the bible is right because the bible says so!

Perhaps you missed the part when I said God created the Earth with the intent to make it look very old. That pretty much throws out any argument you want to make about rock strata and carbon dating. Now, if you care to respond directly to my argument, be my guest. Just take the time to read what I'm saying before throwing out irrelevant science.

Also, don't assume I don't understand the arguments of the Darwinists. I probably understand the science of evolution better than anyone here. I simply reject it.

mysterylobster

I say it again, you don't put a supernatural explanation to anything in science, since you can then basicly throw everything out of the window and just say god did it all. Your argument holds no value in science, none at all.

I can say the earth is 1 day old and everything before is just an illusion created by a godess that was bored, prove me wrong. You can't.

if you reject it then you don't understand it

How can I possibly argue against that?

You believe in a deceitful designer that gave us massive quantities of evidence to show that the earth is 4.5 billion years old and that we share a common ancestor with all the other animals on this planet? It throws out any evidence in ANY scientific field what so ever.

Are you serious? Are you really that ignorant and deluded?

Also, the bible mentions the earth being flat, a global flood, dinosaurs living with man and countless other scientific obscenities. Do you throw away all science which contradicts the bible?

Why then do you accept medicine? It uses evolution quite often you know :|

AGAIN, irrelevant science? Evolution is all about palentology,taxonomy,geology,physics,chemistry,biochemistry etc...these are all irrelevant? Huh?

the_one34

the_one, I'm serious about reading what I already wrote before responding. I feel like a broken record, just because people don't bother to read my arguments. I already said that God laid out for us exactly how he created the Earth. It's all right there in the Bible, so I don't see how he's being deceitful. These mysteries Darwinists are trying to unravel were simply part of his perfect design. It's better to just accept them rather than trying to figure them out. More than a century of inquiry has just culminated in the Darwinists having conflicting theories, and still no clue how the Universe came into being.

As for me being ignorant, please refrain from any personal insults. It serves only to diminish the effectiveness of your argument and also the civility of this forum.

"Also, the bible mentions the earth being flat, a global flood, dinosaurs living with man and countless other scientific obscenities. Do you throw away all science which contradicts the bible?"

The Bible never says man lived with Dinosaurs. If so, then the Bible deserves a lot more credit than it has gotten as a source of science, since it predates the identification of such creatures by more than a thousand years. I'll point you to the same book I suggested to another person, The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Bible, which describes how much of modern science comes from the Bible.

Also, the science you're using is irrelevant because it doesn't directly contradict what I'm saying. Either find science that disproves what I'm saying or find a new line of argument. Either way, try to read what I already said before responding, thx.