How do creationists explain Neanderthals and the other species of man?[NEW POLL]

Have you ever met a Neanderthal? No, of course not. You're simply going by what scientists have told you based on fossils dug up from the ground. But how do you know those fossils aren't just as old as us? I believe that God created the Earth around 6,000 years give or take a few hundred years and these fossils that get dug up were created at the same time as man and everything else. In other words, God created an Earth with the illusion of being millions of years old by inserting fossils of creatures that never existed and shaping geographic features. In His magnificance, he made a world for us that appears to be timeless.

mysterylobster

have you ever personally mett jesus or god in person ;) , no ofcourse not your simply going by what an ancient book written thousands of years ago by men who had no knowlage of modern science/biology/physics/medicine

also lol at the second bolded sentence :lol:

Events in the Bible have been proven by science and historians and it has stood up to centuries of inquiry.

I'll repeat that you guys can argue as long as you don't belittle my faith. It diminishes you and the integrity of this forum.

mysterylobster

I'll repeat that you guys can argue as long as you don't belittle my faith. It diminishes you and the integrity of this forum.

mysterylobster

It is YOU who is belittling your own faith by claiming to be Catholic, then going against the teachings of the Catholic Church.

As a Catholic, I'M the one who should be offended by your rantings. You claim to be Catholic, yet you go against the teachings of Christs' living representative here on earth. Maybe you need to rethink your Christian denomination because you obviously don't agree with Catholicism.

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

Have you ever met a Neanderthal? No, of course not. You're simply going by what scientists have told you based on fossils dug up from the ground. But how do you know those fossils aren't just as old as us? I believe that God created the Earth around 6,000 years give or take a few hundred years and these fossils that get dug up were created at the same time as man and everything else. In other words, God created an Earth with the illusion of being millions of years old by inserting fossils of creatures that never existed and shaping geographic features. In His magnificance, he made a world for us that appears to be timeless.

legend26

have you ever personally mett jesus or god in person ;) , no ofcourse not your simply going by what an ancient book written thousands of years ago by men who had no knowlage of modern science/biology/physics/medicine

also lol at the second bolded sentence :lol:

I'm going by a book which has for thousands of years guided man's vision of the Universe and which has been verified countless times by historians, scientists and by the fulfillment of the prophecies found within.

If you're going to argue with me, at least come prepared and not just repeating what others before you have said.

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

I'll repeat that you guys can argue as long as you don't belittle my faith. It diminishes you and the integrity of this forum.

SIapshot

It is YOU who is belittling your own faith by claiming to be Catholic, then going against the teachings of the Catholic Church.

As a Catholic, I'M the one who should be offended by your rantings. You claim to be Catholic, yet you go against the teachings of Christs' living representative here on earth. Maybe you need to rethink your Christian denomination because you obviously don't agree with Catholicism.

:roll: Come on now. Believing in a trickster god does not "go against the teachings of Christs' living representative here on Earth".

Events in the Bible have been proven by science and historians and it has stood up to centuries of inquiry.

I'll repeat that you guys can argue as long as you don't belittle my faith. It diminishes you and the integrity of this forum.

mysterylobster

Your faith has belittled itself. Your faith has brought you to the point where it is encouraged you to close your mind. That is why I left religion in the dust long ago because I refuse to become some ignorant fanatic. Anyone who claims to be 100% positive on the origin of our world is pompous and ignorant, as there is no 100% proof. So until there is 100% proof we're all just speculating.

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

Events in the Bible have been proven by science and historians and it has stood up to centuries of inquiry.

I'll repeat that you guys can argue as long as you don't belittle my faith. It diminishes you and the integrity of this forum.

warbmxjohn

Your faith has belittled itself. Your faith has brought you to the point where it is encouraged you to close your mind. That is why I left religion in the dust long ago because I refuse to become some ignorant fanatic. Anyone who claims to be 100% positive on the origin of our world is pompous and ignorant, as there is no 100% proof. So until there is 100% proof we're all just speculating.

I'm not speculating. God created the Earth around the same time as Man, so anything that appears to have existed long before man must not have existed at all, and the evidence pointing to this must have been created at the time of the Earth coming into being. This is all very simple to understand.

I'll let you ponder on that, since I have little time to discus these things. We've reached the point where people will continue to sling the same half-formed ideas repeatedly, and I'll just point to what I've already said.

[QUOTE="SIapshot"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

I'll repeat that you guys can argue as long as you don't belittle my faith. It diminishes you and the integrity of this forum.

Genetic_Code

It is YOU who is belittling your own faith by claiming to be Catholic, then going against the teachings of the Catholic Church.

As a Catholic, I'M the one who should be offended by your rantings. You claim to be Catholic, yet you go against the teachings of Christs' living representative here on earth. Maybe you need to rethink your Christian denomination because you obviously don't agree with Catholicism.

:roll: Come on now. Believing in a trickster god does not "go against the teachings of Christs' living representative here on Earth".

[QUOTE="warbmxjohn"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

Events in the Bible have been proven by science and historians and it has stood up to centuries of inquiry.

I'll repeat that you guys can argue as long as you don't belittle my faith. It diminishes you and the integrity of this forum.

mysterylobster

Your faith has belittled itself. Your faith has brought you to the point where it is encouraged you to close your mind. That is why I left religion in the dust long ago because I refuse to become some ignorant fanatic. Anyone who claims to be 100% positive on the origin of our world is pompous and ignorant, as there is no 100% proof. So until there is 100% proof we're all just speculating.

I'm not speculating. God created the Earth around the same time as Man, so anything that appears to have existed long before man must not have existed at all, and the evidence pointing to this must have been created at the time of the Earth coming into being. This is all very simple to understand.

actually it is extremely illogical. Why would god make the universe like it is if he did it in just 6 days? Was he just trying to decieve us? That doesnt seem like something a benevolent god would do.

The ignorance in this thread hurts my brain :(

I can't understand why god would put all of the massive quantities of evidence in favour of evolution. I mean, why would we have the complete fossil record in relation to human evolution? Why all the transitional fossils? Why all the massive quantities of DNA evidence?

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

Events in the Bible have been proven by science and historians and it has stood up to centuries of inquiry.

I'll repeat that you guys can argue as long as you don't belittle my faith. It diminishes you and the integrity of this forum.

harden007

Literal translations of the Hebrew word, yom, like our English word "day," can refer to a 24 hour day, sunrise to sunset (12 hours), or a long, unspecified period of time (as in "the day of the dinosaurs"). The Hebrew word ereb, translated evening also means "sunset," "night" or "ending of the day." The Hebrew word boqer, translated morning, also means "sunrise," "coming of light," "beginning of the day," or "dawning," with possible metaphoric usage. Our English expression: "The dawning of an age" serves to illustrate this point. This expression in Hebrew could use the word, boqer, for dawning, which, in Genesis 1, is often translated morning.

http://www.godandscience.org/youngearth/longdays.html

Lobster, the answer to your questions about "days" is right here in my quote. Dont ignore it.

[QUOTE="warbmxjohn"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

Events in the Bible have been proven by science and historians and it has stood up to centuries of inquiry.

I'll repeat that you guys can argue as long as you don't belittle my faith. It diminishes you and the integrity of this forum.

mysterylobster

Your faith has belittled itself. Your faith has brought you to the point where it is encouraged you to close your mind. That is why I left religion in the dust long ago because I refuse to become some ignorant fanatic. Anyone who claims to be 100% positive on the origin of our world is pompous and ignorant, as there is no 100% proof. So until there is 100% proof we're all just speculating.

I'm not speculating. God created the Earth around the same time as Man, so anything that appears to have existed long before man must not have existed at all, and the evidence pointing to this must have been created at the time of the Earth coming into being. This is all very simple to understand.

I'll let you ponder on that, since I have little time to discus these things.

You've only proven my initial point. Thanks.

I'll give you some time to ponder that, which you probably won't even consider it as your blind faith is making you a closed minded fanatic.

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"][QUOTE="warbmxjohn"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

Events in the Bible have been proven by science and historians and it has stood up to centuries of inquiry.

I'll repeat that you guys can argue as long as you don't belittle my faith. It diminishes you and the integrity of this forum.

laughingman42

Your faith has belittled itself. Your faith has brought you to the point where it is encouraged you to close your mind. That is why I left religion in the dust long ago because I refuse to become some ignorant fanatic. Anyone who claims to be 100% positive on the origin of our world is pompous and ignorant, as there is no 100% proof. So until there is 100% proof we're all just speculating.

I'm not speculating. God created the Earth around the same time as Man, so anything that appears to have existed long before man must not have existed at all, and the evidence pointing to this must have been created at the time of the Earth coming into being. This is all very simple to understand.

actually it is extremely illogical. Why would god make the universe like it is if he did it in just 6 days? Was he just trying to decieve us? That doesnt seem like something a benevolent god would do.

As I said, go back and read what I've already said on this matter. I have no time to respond to the same arguments over and over.

I'm not speculating. God created the Earth around the same time as Man, so anything that appears to have existed long before man must not have existed at all, and the evidence pointing to this must have been created at the time of the Earth coming into being. This is all very simple to understand.

mysterylobster

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article574768.ece

Have a good read. I don't have time to google up the Vatican precise source, and the dogma on the new approach to the Genesis. If you want to check it up, I'm sure you will be able to. I doubt that you will belive me that the official stance of Catholic Church for the last 20 years was that World/Universe wasn't created in 6 days.

[QUOTE="cametall"]

Easy!

God made a mistake, and his perfect creations ate the imperfect.

There, explained off so easily it could be in a book for children.

Funky_Llama

God doesn't make mistakes.

You've never seen him after a few rum and cokes.

He's a crazy dude.

[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"][spoiler] [QUOTE="SIapshot"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

I'll repeat that you guys can argue as long as you don't belittle my faith. It diminishes you and the integrity of this forum.

SIapshot

It is YOU who is belittling your own faith by claiming to be Catholic, then going against the teachings of the Catholic Church.

As a Catholic, I'M the one who should be offended by your rantings. You claim to be Catholic, yet you go against the teachings of Christs' living representative here on earth. Maybe you need to rethink your Christian denomination because you obviously don't agree with Catholicism.

:roll: Come on now. Believing in a trickster god does not "go against the teachings of Christs' living representative here on Earth".

[/spoiler]

I didn't. They came out of your mouth and I quoted it. Or rather, you posted it and I quoted it.

Mysterylobster has said that he believes in a trickster god, and little else in this thread. You claimed that he is going against Christs' representative. Please read your post, because I am reading it as analytically as possible, and I see no other meaning you could derive from it. Also, illustrate to me that you have to believe in Young Earth creationism to be a Catholic. Also prove to me that Catholicism is Christ's only representative. If you can do that, then you have a point. Otherwise else, I'm not putting words in your mouth.

[QUOTE="SIapshot"][QUOTE="Genetic_Code"][spoiler] [QUOTE="SIapshot"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

I'll repeat that you guys can argue as long as you don't belittle my faith. It diminishes you and the integrity of this forum.

Genetic_Code

It is YOU who is belittling your own faith by claiming to be Catholic, then going against the teachings of the Catholic Church.

As a Catholic, I'M the one who should be offended by your rantings. You claim to be Catholic, yet you go against the teachings of Christs' living representative here on earth. Maybe you need to rethink your Christian denomination because you obviously don't agree with Catholicism.

:roll: Come on now. Believing in a trickster god does not "go against the teachings of Christs' living representative here on Earth".

[/spoiler]

I didn't. They came out of your mouth and I quoted it. Or rather, you posted it and I quoted it.

Mysterylobster has said that he believes in a trickster god, and little else in this thread. You claimed that he is going against Christs' representative. Please read your post, because I am reading it as analytically as possible, and I see no other meaning you could derive from it. Also, illustrate to me that you have to believe in Young Earth creationism to be a Catholic. Also prove to me that Catholicism is Christ's only representative. If you can do that, then you have a point. Otherwise else, I'm not putting words in your mouth.

Slapshot is merely saying that mysterylobster is offending him by posing a gross misrepresentation of the Catholic faith. I don't think slapshot said he believed in a Young Earth either, which is not what Catholicism states. Mysterylobster believes this and claims to be a Catholic, which is what slapshot's issue is about. And just like every denomination of Christianity they all believe they're the true representation of Christ. It's not something that can really be proven rather than accepted by its adherents.

[QUOTE="warbmxjohn"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

Events in the Bible have been proven by science and historians and it has stood up to centuries of inquiry.

I'll repeat that you guys can argue as long as you don't belittle my faith. It diminishes you and the integrity of this forum.

mysterylobster

Your faith has belittled itself. Your faith has brought you to the point where it is encouraged you to close your mind. That is why I left religion in the dust long ago because I refuse to become some ignorant fanatic. Anyone who claims to be 100% positive on the origin of our world is pompous and ignorant, as there is no 100% proof. So until there is 100% proof we're all just speculating.

I'm not speculating. God created the Earth around the same time as Man, so anything that appears to have existed long before man must not have existed at all, and the evidence pointing to this must have been created at the time of the Earth coming into being. This is all very simple to understand.

I'll let you ponder on that, since I have little time to discus these things. We've reached the point where people will continue to sling the same half-formed ideas repeatedly, and I'll just point to what I've already said.

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"][QUOTE="warbmxjohn"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

Events in the Bible have been proven by science and historians and it has stood up to centuries of inquiry.

I'll repeat that you guys can argue as long as you don't belittle my faith. It diminishes you and the integrity of this forum.

MattUD1

Your faith has belittled itself. Your faith has brought you to the point where it is encouraged you to close your mind. That is why I left religion in the dust long ago because I refuse to become some ignorant fanatic. Anyone who claims to be 100% positive on the origin of our world is pompous and ignorant, as there is no 100% proof. So until there is 100% proof we're all just speculating.

I'm not speculating. God created the Earth around the same time as Man, so anything that appears to have existed long before man must not have existed at all, and the evidence pointing to this must have been created at the time of the Earth coming into being. This is all very simple to understand.

I'll let you ponder on that, since I have little time to discus these things. We've reached the point where people will continue to sling the same half-formed ideas repeatedly, and I'll just point to what I've already said.

It's ~4.5 billion years old.

[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"][QUOTE="warbmxjohn"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

Events in the Bible have been proven by science and historians and it has stood up to centuries of inquiry.

I'll repeat that you guys can argue as long as you don't belittle my faith. It diminishes you and the integrity of this forum.

Guybrush_3

Your faith has belittled itself. Your faith has brought you to the point where it is encouraged you to close your mind. That is why I left religion in the dust long ago because I refuse to become some ignorant fanatic. Anyone who claims to be 100% positive on the origin of our world is pompous and ignorant, as there is no 100% proof. So until there is 100% proof we're all just speculating.

I'm not speculating. God created the Earth around the same time as Man, so anything that appears to have existed long before man must not have existed at all, and the evidence pointing to this must have been created at the time of the Earth coming into being. This is all very simple to understand.

I'll let you ponder on that, since I have little time to discus these things. We've reached the point where people will continue to sling the same half-formed ideas repeatedly, and I'll just point to what I've already said.

It's ~4.5 billion years old.

Uh.....same as anything else I suppose.:|

I asked my chem teacher about this (he's freaky religious) and he said they are fake because the earth is 10,000 years old.

He also doesnt believe in dinosaurs. :D

[QUOTE="shinian"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

Events in the Bible have been proven by science and historians and it has stood up to centuries of inquiry.

I'll repeat that you guys can argue as long as you don't belittle my faith. It diminishes you and the integrity of this forum.

mysterylobster

I just want to know one thing. You stated that you are Catholic. Yet you take The Bible literally. You deny the words of Pope. Do you really think you are giving a good example of faith?

The only thing I've said that takes the Bible literally was that God created the Earth. The Catholic Chirch is in agreement on this.

Have you ever met a Neanderthal? No, of course not. You're simply going by what scientists have told you based on fossils dug up from the ground. But how do you know those fossils aren't just as old as us? I believe that God created the Earth around 6,000 years give or take a few hundred years and these fossils that get dug up were created at the same time as man and everything else. In other words, God created an Earth with the illusion of being millions of years old by inserting fossils of creatures that never existed and shaping geographic features. In His magnificance, he made a world for us that appears to be timeless.

mysterylobster

Can you say "ignorance"?

:(

I find it sad that people think dinosaurs didn't exist...

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

Have you ever met a Neanderthal? No, of course not. You're simply going by what scientists have told you based on fossils dug up from the ground. But how do you know those fossils aren't just as old as us? I believe that God created the Earth around 6,000 years give or take a few hundred years and these fossils that get dug up were created at the same time as man and everything else. In other words, God created an Earth with the illusion of being millions of years old by inserting fossils of creatures that never existed and shaping geographic features. In His magnificance, he made a world for us that appears to be timeless.

xMOBSTER23x

Can you say "ignorance"?

Keeping reading. It gets better.

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

Have you ever met a Neanderthal? No, of course not. You're simply going by what scientists have told you based on fossils dug up from the ground. But how do you know those fossils aren't just as old as us? I believe that God created the Earth around 6,000 years give or take a few hundred years and these fossils that get dug up were created at the same time as man and everything else. In other words, God created an Earth with the illusion of being millions of years old by inserting fossils of creatures that never existed and shaping geographic features. In His magnificance, he made a world for us that appears to be timeless.

xMOBSTER23x

Can you say "ignorance"?

Not without being attacked by a pack of rabid Christians... :P

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

Have you ever met a Neanderthal? No, of course not. You're simply going by what scientists have told you based on fossils dug up from the ground. But how do you know those fossils aren't just as old as us? I believe that God created the Earth around 6,000 years give or take a few hundred years and these fossils that get dug up were created at the same time as man and everything else. In other words, God created an Earth with the illusion of being millions of years old by inserting fossils of creatures that never existed and shaping geographic features. In His magnificance, he made a world for us that appears to be timeless.

mysterylobster

Have you ever met Henry VIII, then how do you know he exists?

Historical accounts, etc. We have no such resources to judge whether Neanderthal's existed. All we have are fossils, which as I said, were created by God when he created everything else.

So God was just trying to **** with us, eh? He's got a dark sense of humor.

[QUOTE="xMOBSTER23x"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

Have you ever met a Neanderthal? No, of course not. You're simply going by what scientists have told you based on fossils dug up from the ground. But how do you know those fossils aren't just as old as us? I believe that God created the Earth around 6,000 years give or take a few hundred years and these fossils that get dug up were created at the same time as man and everything else. In other words, God created an Earth with the illusion of being millions of years old by inserting fossils of creatures that never existed and shaping geographic features. In His magnificance, he made a world for us that appears to be timeless.

Guybrush_3

Can you say "ignorance"?

Keeping reading. It gets better.

You're tellin me! I got sucked into their point dodging- logic less - ignorance fest.. :(

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

Just curious. "other species of man" means the others that are also extinct.

Ive never seen an atheist bring this up, and coincidently i never see creationists bring it up.

I usually hate religion threads but I want to see this.

so go.

MrGeezer

Simple. God made it look like the existed, in order to test our faith.

Alternatively, the devil put the fossils there to turn people away from God.

lmfao!!

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

Have you ever met a Neanderthal? No, of course not. You're simply going by what scientists have told you based on fossils dug up from the ground. But how do you know those fossils aren't just as old as us? I believe that God created the Earth around 6,000 years give or take a few hundred years and these fossils that get dug up were created at the same time as man and everything else. In other words, God created an Earth with the illusion of being millions of years old by inserting fossils of creatures that never existed and shaping geographic features. In His magnificance, he made a world for us that appears to be timeless.

xMOBSTER23x

So God was just trying to **** with us, eh? He's got a dark sense of humor.

Have you ever met Henry VIII, then how do you know he exists?

Historical accounts, etc. We have no such resources to judge whether Neanderthal's existed. All we have are fossils, which as I said, were created by God when he created everything else.

So God was just trying to **** with us, eh? He's got a dark sense of humor.

You mean burning non believers for eternity wasn't enough?

I believe in micro-evolution (little changes even over along period of time) I even believe that these little changes can amount to a huge change (over enough time). But I don't believe it is true that one species can change into another.ZeRo-ZeN

Same here.

[QUOTE="SouL-Tak3R"][QUOTE="zakkro"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

The proof is all there in the Bible, since that is how it is written. I believe that the Bible is the right way to understand the universe.

PATH0G3N

Seriously, for all we know it really could have been some guy writing a fake story for entertainment and for some reason people started believing it. The bible also said bats are birds and the earth is flat haha.

Like this, people used to believe in Greek Mythology. Because it didn't use to be myth at all. You tell them that or Native Americans back when that what they believe is myth they wouldnt like you very much.

And Christianity was actually based off other religions. And God wasn't always believed, so when did people randomly start believing in him instead of Athena etc. ?

Religion was formed to help man cope with fear of death, it evolved through the ages itself and people saw the power it held. Religious leaders became corrupted with all of that power. Like massive government, organized religion doesn't work well because of the massive amounts of power it holds.

Back to your statement, you are abosultely correct, if you believe in god then why dont you believe in the greek/roman gods? "Well theyre different.." no, they arent. The abrahamic religions will just fade away eventually and go down in history as more mythology.

good response. Refreshing after reading alot of the other posts in this topic.

I believe in micro-evolution (little changes even over along period of time) I even believe that these little changes can amount to a huge change (over enough time). But I don't believe it is true that one species can change into another.ZeRo-ZeN

[QUOTE="ZeRo-ZeN"]I believe in micro-evolution (little changes even over along period of time) I even believe that these little changes can amount to a huge change (over enough time). But I don't believe it is true that one species can change into another.battlefront23

Same here.

here too.

[QUOTE="xMOBSTER23x"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

Have you ever met a Neanderthal? No, of course not. You're simply going by what scientists have told you based on fossils dug up from the ground. But how do you know those fossils aren't just as old as us? I believe that God created the Earth around 6,000 years give or take a few hundred years and these fossils that get dug up were created at the same time as man and everything else. In other words, God created an Earth with the illusion of being millions of years old by inserting fossils of creatures that never existed and shaping geographic features. In His magnificance, he made a world for us that appears to be timeless.

warbmxjohn

So God was just trying to **** with us, eh? He's got a dark sense of humor.

Have you ever met Henry VIII, then how do you know he exists?

Historical accounts, etc. We have no such resources to judge whether Neanderthal's existed. All we have are fossils, which as I said, were created by God when he created everything else.

So God was just trying to **** with us, eh? He's got a dark sense of humor.

You mean burning non believers for eternity wasn't enough?

lol i guess not

We're not arguing if Adam and Eve is real or not are we? I mean out of all honesty it is fake, it's just some story fabricated by a human. Where's this proof that God guided these people's hands as they wrote it? They just say it to give them credibility. Say that today and they'll call you mad. Were Adam and Eve dinosaurs or something if they really beleive this:lol:RyuHayabusaX

No, they were raptors. 100 Years after the Raptor God created the earth, the dinosaurs were living a life full of sin, so he sent raptor jesus to save dinosauranity, but the other dinos had him crusified. Seing this, Raptor God was enraged and wiped out the dinosaurs, and replaced them with humans. But, so genious was the Raptor God, that he made it appear that he didnt place the humans on the earth the verry next day, but made it seem so that the dinosaurs existed long before them, and he wiped out all reccords of the dinos technological achievements, because he wanted humans to folow a new path. Instead, he only left traces of their existance, so that the humans felt that they were part of something bigger.

"RAAAAWR, grrrrrrrrrr NIEEEEEEEERGh hmph, grrrrrrrrrrrrr, tchhhhhhhhhhhhh, hisssssssssssssssssssss GRAWR"

:T-rexaurus 6:14

It's all in the Biclica Raptorica.

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

Back to your statement, you are abosultely correct, if you believe in god then why dont you believe in the greek/roman gods? "Well theyre different.." no, they arent.

Well, yes they are different. The Christian God isn't just some character made up by man, he exists as something greater--a concept of a being that's infinitely wise, all loving and all powerful. So He's not just some God, but simply the only thing in the Universe which no other thing may be greater. That's why God must exist, because the greatest thing in the universe must have the attribute of "existence," since that which exists is greater than something that's just in your imagination. Praise Him!

PATH0G3N

Oh the irony, please stop, too funny.:lol:

lol i know right, his posts are hilarious!

[QUOTE="ZeRo-ZeN"]I believe in micro-evolution (little changes even over along period of time) I even believe that these little changes can amount to a huge change (over enough time). But I don't believe it is true that one species can change into another.zakkro

[QUOTE="zakkro"][QUOTE="ZeRo-ZeN"]I believe in micro-evolution (little changes even over along period of time) I even believe that these little changes can amount to a huge change (over enough time). But I don't believe it is true that one species can change into another.ZeRo-ZeN

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"]

They got corrupted overtime.

MFaraz_Hayat

But not Islam? :roll:

Well, the Quranic text has not been changed......... By corruption I meant, that the religious texts had been changed in some manner.

Oh, surprise, surprise. Of course, the assumption there is that was right in the first place...

Right as in? Are you talking about that Quran, since was compiled into book after Prophet's death might have been wrongly compiled?

Nope... I'm suggesting it wasn't the word of God in the first place. It came pre-corrupted. :P

Lol, I know this will break down to "does God exist or no?" so lets just leave it.

Anyways, it is true that the Quran mentions several scientific facts such as expanding universe, birth of human being, ants communicating with each other(warning each other) etc.

Islam is corrupted now, even if you believe it wasn't originally. It's currently in the phase Christianity was during the inquisition.

[QUOTE="ZeRo-ZeN"][QUOTE="zakkro"][QUOTE="ZeRo-ZeN"]I believe in micro-evolution (little changes even over along period of time) I even believe that these little changes can amount to a huge change (over enough time). But I don't believe it is true that one species can change into another.zakkro

We're not arguing if Adam and Eve is real or not are we? I mean out of all honesty it is fake, it's just some story fabricated by a human. Where's this proof that God guided these people's hands as they wrote it? They just say it to give them credibility. Say that today and they'll call you mad. Were Adam and Eve dinosaurs or something if they really beleive this:lol:RyuHayabusaX

[QUOTE="zakkro"][QUOTE="ZeRo-ZeN"]Ctrl-C + Ctrl-V

.ZeRo-ZeN

Macroevolution = many instances of microevolution over a long period.

Macroevolution = many instances of microevolution over a long period.the_one34