How do you define gender?

I see this a lot. People refer to other people with the bodies of one gender, as the other, based only on what that person identifies as. That's what these communities instruct people to do.

What is your opinion on this?

Do you think we should call a female brain in the body of a man, a she?

Does that person first have to modify their appearance and behavior?

Will you ever refer to them as she, given they were born in the body of a man?

vice versa for women.

Personally, I have a hard time letting go of the fact that chromosomes are still chromosomes. To me, gender is anatomical first, psychological second. I would still do it if it made the person feel comfortable.

For me, gender is purely a societal construct brainwashed into us at an early age.

The sign of true enlightenment is the ability to deprogram yourself and transcend gender, and act not in accordance with social norms and traditions, but how you want to.

You see, Timmy....when a man loves a woman.....

Has the B and D? Is a man. Has the vag? Is a woman.

Gender = the sex you identify with.

Gender = the sex you identify with.

Aljosa23

This. Ask what gender someone identifies themselves with, and that's all you need.

People who have a Y chromosome are men, those without them are women. At a more face value, its people with penises are men, those with vaginas are women.

Not a hard concept.

Gender = the sex you identify with.

Aljosa23

People who have a Y chromosome are men, those without them are women. At a more face value, its people with penises are men, those with vaginas are women.

Not a hard concept.

SPYDER0416

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People who have a Y chromosome are men, those without them are women. At a more face value, its people with penises are men, those with vaginas are women.

Not a hard concept.

Aljosa23

Are they not the same thing?

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

People who have a Y chromosome are men, those without them are women. At a more face value, its people with penises are men, those with vaginas are women.

Not a hard concept.

SPYDER0416

Are they not the same thing?

Um. Whatever they think they are, they are.

The most powerful sexual organ is the brain, don't forget that when making your assumptions.

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

People who have a Y chromosome are men, those without them are women. At a more face value, its people with penises are men, those with vaginas are women.

Not a hard concept.

SPYDER0416

Are they not the same thing?

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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]That's sex, not gender.

ghoklebutter

Are they not the same thing?

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[QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

Are they not the same thing?

Aljosa23

If you have a penis you're a guy. If you have a vagina you're a chick. That's pretty much it.

I truely believe that there are people that could benefit from sex reassignment surgery, but I really can't relate nor can I understand the mind of a woman so as far as I can tell men have a penis and women have a vagina.

[QUOTE="campzor"]female organs - female male organs - male end of discussionghoklebutter

The people who say "gender equals body parts," are too brainwashed in their own gender to think about separating the two from one another.

[QUOTE="Vundi"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] no you really have no idea what gender isghoklebutter

[QUOTE="campzor"]female organs - female male organs - male end of discussionghoklebutter

[QUOTE="campzor"]female organs - female male organs - male end of discussionghoklebutter

yes...yes i do

defining characteristics are the female and male organs.

The thing which hangs between my legs, and if you have both. You get to choose a new gender everyday if you want. Screw this "Gender is a mentality" thing. MgamerBD

No. That is marginalizing to millions of people across the globe. If you cannot accept the identification that makes someone feel happy and complete, then you are a bigot.

Some people are cisgendered. Some are transgendered, others consider themselves to be genderfluid. There are people who are agendered, and people who have multiple genders. And then there are those who do not fit any of these categories, who fall under the catch-all non-binary term genderqueer. If you cannot accept these people for who they are, then George Takei has some words for you.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="Vundi"] Seems like they have a pretty good grip on the definition to me.MgamerBD

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="campzor"]female organs - female male organs - male end of discussioncampzor

yes...yes i do

defining characteristics are the female and male organs.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="campzor"]female organs - female male organs - male end of discussionBygByron3

The thing which hangs between my legs, and if you have both. You get to choose a new gender everyday if you want. Screw this "Gender is a mentality" thing. MgamerBD

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]The thing which hangs between my legs, and if you have both. You get to choose a new gender everyday if you want. Screw this "Gender is a mentality" thing. ShuLordLiuPei

No. That is marginalizing to millions of people across the globe. If you cannot accept the identification that makes someone feel happy and complete, then you are a bigot.

Some people are cisgendered. Some are transgendered, others consider themselves to be genderfluid. There are people who are agendered, and people who have multiple genders. And then there are those who do not fit any of these categories, who fall under the catch-all non-binary term genderqueer. If you cannot accept these people for who they are, then George Takei has some words for you.

Soo...what our saying is...if I identify myself as a girl? Even though I am clearly a man. I can go into the girls bathroom or lockerroom? Cause clearly those signs are bigoted against me and my gender identity.

Sex is biological. Gender is part of one's identity, as it is largely (though arguably not entirely) a social construct.ghoklebutter

The social construct that defines which sex people are identified with. As it stands, due to cultural norms -- which is the prevalent force behind social constructs, it is essentially synonymous with sex irrespective of the thoughts of the subjects, to all practical intents. This may change with time.

Soo...what our saying is...if I identify myself as a girl? Even though I am clearly a man. I can go into the girls bathroom or lockerroom? Cause clearly those signs are bigoted against me and my gender identity.

MgamerBD

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[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] no you really have no idea what gender isAljosa23

Screw this social construct crap. You got REAL balls you a man.

Screw this social construct crap. You got REAL balls you a man.

OB-47

[QUOTE="campzor"]

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] no you really have no idea what gender isghoklebutter

yes...yes i do

defining characteristics are the female and male organs.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="campzor"]

yes...yes i do

defining characteristics are the female and male organs.

campzor

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

Screw this social construct crap. You got REAL balls you a man.

ghoklebutter

I should have put quotations. I saw this on some documentry.

If gender is a choice, but referred to in terms of he and she, then why do we still call animals he or she based purely on their anatomy?

ITT:

• Confusion of sex vs. gender
• Failing to grasp that society at large often delegates people into different genders than certain persons identify as
• Fustercluckish, incoherent debate