How do you define gender?

Realistically, when people do change their sex, they still technically are not "the opposite sex," since they can't have the right hormonal, cecretional, physical/nerveous capacities of a "natural borned opposite gender." People that want to change their sex will always live their lives in search for something to change about themselves because they can't accept what they were born with. No different than all these crazy scientist trying to "master" the world with science because they have a superiority god complex. It doesn't matter how much they want to feel like a woman/man, they will never fully be one. Why can't they just be satisfied with being homosexuals?

Realistically, when people do change their sex, they still technically are not "the opposite sex," since they can't have the right hormonal, cecretional, physical/nerveous capacities of a "natural borned opposite gender." People that want to change their sex will always live their lives in search for something to change about themselves because they can't accept what they were born with. No different than all these crazy scientist trying to "master" the world with science because they have a superiority god complex. It doesn't matter how much they want to feel like a woman/man, they will never fully be one. Why can't they just be satisfied with being homosexuals?

edo-tensei

What has homosexuality got to do with transgenders?

My definition of gender is still the best one here.

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]Accepting other people isn't a good cause?

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[QUOTE="edo-tensei"] They are the one's trying to seek acceptance. If they can't function normaly to do that then they are hopeless and close-minded. How is that different from cloning or artificially made humans? So if you want to start accepting this then you might as well accept a Hitler wanna be that tries to have a white artificially made superior human race. Or mechanical humanoids as well?edo-tensei

What would you say has actual meaning? Do you think blacks should stop complaining about racism and that the civil rights movement never should of happened?

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"] They are the one's trying to seek acceptance. If they can't function normaly to do that then they are hopeless and close-minded. How is that different from cloning or artificially made humans? So if you want to start accepting this then you might as well accept a Hitler wanna be that tries to have a white artificially made superior human race. Or mechanical humanoids as well?Deihjan

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]You do know that transgendered people have the highest suicide rate amongst any group of people? Being accepted into society is one of the most important things one can have.

What would you say has actual meaning? Do you think blacks should stop complaining about racism and that the civil rights movement never should of happened?

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[QUOTE="edo-tensei"] Are they trying to be accepted for the right reasons or just fantasies? They do it for selfish personal causes. THEY WILL NEVER BE THE OPPOSITE SEX, period. You don't need to be accepted for your sexual orientation, because that's a personal aspect of an individual. Try to be accepted by things that actually have REAL meaning. These people live in turmoil because of their selfish unrealistic "needs." edo-tensei

What would you say has actual meaning? Do you think blacks should stop complaining about racism and that the civil rights movement never should of happened?

Shouldn't black people have just accepted that they shouldn't need to be accepted? You've clearly stated that being accepted isn't important so whys it ok for one group to want to be accepted but no another?

[QUOTE="Deihjan"][QUOTE="edo-tensei"] They are the one's trying to seek acceptance. If they can't function normaly to do that then they are hopeless and close-minded. How is that different from cloning or artificially made humans? So if you want to start accepting this then you might as well accept a Hitler wanna be that tries to have a white artificially made superior human race. Or mechanical humanoids as well?edo-tensei

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]Again we aren't talking about sexual orientation. We're talking about transgenders. The two have nothing to do with each other.

What would you say has actual meaning? Do you think blacks should stop complaining about racism and that the civil rights movement never should of happened?

Shouldn't black people have just accepted that they shouldn't need to be accepted? You've clearly stated that being accepted isn't important so whys it ok for one group to want to be accepted but no another?

[QUOTE="Deihjan"][QUOTE="edo-tensei"] They are the one's trying to seek acceptance. If they can't function normaly to do that then they are hopeless and close-minded. How is that different from cloning or artificially made humans? So if you want to start accepting this then you might as well accept a Hitler wanna be that tries to have a white artificially made superior human race. Or mechanical humanoids as well?edo-tensei

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[QUOTE="edo-tensei"] Transgender can feel "the opposite" all they want, they are still not the other gender. No surgery will cure that. Racism has nothing to do with this subject so I don't see what you're trying to imply.edo-tensei

Shouldn't black people have just accepted that they shouldn't need to be accepted? You've clearly stated that being accepted isn't important so whys it ok for one group to want to be accepted but no another?

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[QUOTE="edo-tensei"] Transgender can feel "the opposite" all they want, they are still not the other gender. No surgery will cure that. Racism has nothing to do with this subject so I don't see what you're trying to imply.edo-tensei

Shouldn't black people have just accepted that they shouldn't need to be accepted? You've clearly stated that being accepted isn't important so whys it ok for one group to want to be accepted but no another?

They're weird, therefore they should burn in hell.edo-tensei

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[QUOTE="edo-tensei"] Transgender can feel "the opposite" all they want, they are still not the other gender. No surgery will cure that. Racism has nothing to do with this subject so I don't see what you're trying to imply.edo-tensei

Shouldn't black people have just accepted that they shouldn't need to be accepted? You've clearly stated that being accepted isn't important so whys it ok for one group to want to be accepted but no another?

Pedos harm children. Transgenders don't harm anyone (as a result of being transgendered).

If you can't give a good reason as to why we shouldn't accept transgendered people, please GTFO

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="Deihjan"] So you're completely against human evolution and the possibility of human beings being hermaphrodites in the future, because of nature, because it isn't 'normal'? Wow, you're a really disgusting human being.Deihjan

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Shouldn't black people have just accepted that they shouldn't need to be accepted? You've clearly stated that being accepted isn't important so whys it ok for one group to want to be accepted but no another?

Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="edo-tensei"] OMG, dude race has nothing to do with this, I'm black, you're white, he's jananese, doesn't matter. We are all the same underneath our skins. That has more to do with ignorance than anything else. Transgender is a physical/hormonal cicle gone out of place in nature. Are you saying we should accept pedos because they want to have sex with our kids. Doesn't he also have the right? He was born like that.MgamerBD

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="edo-tensei"] OMG, dude race has nothing to do with this, I'm black, you're white, he's jananese, doesn't matter. We are all the same underneath our skins. That has more to do with ignorance than anything else. Transgender is a physical/hormonal cicle gone out of place in nature. Are you saying we should accept pedos because they want to have sex with our kids. Doesn't he also have the right? He was born like that.MgamerBD

[QUOTE="Deihjan"][QUOTE="edo-tensei"] The only disgusting person here is you. Accept who you are in a logical way. Let people evolve in the way it's intended, without the need of "control." Do you like when people dictate your life? Would you like people dictating what human evolution should be like? Act? Looks? Intelligence? What if in the future I can control humans only being male or only being female, just because I can control it anyways, what then? I think you live in a fantasy world.edo-tensei

I don't think nature is really going to care if transgendered people exist.

Gender: A modern term fabricated to explain away/attemtp to 'normalize' some crossed wiring in the brians of some individuals

Gender: A modern term fabricated to explain away/attemtp to 'normalize' some crossed wiring in the brians of some individuals

Planet_Pluto

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]

Shouldn't black people have just accepted that they shouldn't need to be accepted? You've clearly stated that being accepted isn't important so whys it ok for one group to want to be accepted but no another?

Pedos harm children. Transgenders don't harm anyone (as a result of being transgendered).

If you can't give a good reason as to why we shouldn't accept transgendered people, please GTFO

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[QUOTE="edo-tensei"] OMG, dude race has nothing to do with this, I'm black, you're white, he's jananese, doesn't matter. We are all the same underneath our skins. That has more to do with ignorance than anything else. Transgender is a physical/hormonal cicle gone out of place in nature. Are you saying we should accept pedos because they want to have sex with our kids. Doesn't he also have the right? He was born like that.edo-tensei

Pedos harm children. Transgenders don't harm anyone (as a result of being transgendered).

If you can't give a good reason as to why we shouldn't accept transgendered people, please GTFO

So whats the alternative? Be miserable and kill yourself?

Chromosomes. There are things in life we should not change. And this is one of them.

LMAO at people whining at edo-tensei. You whine about acceptance while not accepting him yourself :lol: Sounds logical.

I'm rasing important questions of what it takes to control the proces of evolution.edo-tensei

LMAO at people whining at edo-tensei. You whine about acceptance while not accepting him yourself :lol: Sounds logical.N30F3N1X

So whats the alternative? Be miserable and kill yourself?

toast_burner

What's to be miserable about?

It's pretty obvious that if you are born a male you are a male. If you are born a female you are a female. That's it end of story. I'm really starting to think transgender-ism is a kind of mental disorder like anorexia. It's kind like that same belief that anorexics have in a way.

If you happen to be one of the extremely rare individuals born with both male and female parts then that's an entirely different situation.

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="Deihjan"] I'm perfectly fine with who I am. I'm accepting of all people, even disgusting bigots like you. Everyone has a place in the world.DJ-Lafleur

I don't think nature is really going to care if transgendered people exist.

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So whats the alternative? Be miserable and kill yourself?

N30F3N1X

What's to be miserable about?

You say that it's wrong of us to not accept him for not supporting transgenders. But he's forcing them to change their whole life (something that can't be done) all we are asking of him is to stop being such a dick and try to be a little more open minded.

Chromosomes. There are things in life we should not change. And this is one of them.

LMAO at people whining at edo-tensei. You whine about acceptance while not accepting him yourself :lol: Sounds logical.

N30F3N1X

So we should just accept everyone no matter what they do or what hurtful stuff they say?

when did we say that we are obliged to accept everyone unconditionally? i don't accept edo-tensei because he's a massive c*nt, for example. i don't see how that's in any way inconsistent with accepting transgenders as a whole.

Funky_Llama

So...you're saying that he has every right to not accept trannies. So why are you even arguing with him?

It's however the person identifies.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]when did we say that we are obliged to accept everyone unconditionally? i don't accept edo-tensei because he's a massive c*nt, for example. i don't see how that's in any way inconsistent with accepting transgenders as a whole.

N30F3N1X

So...you're saying that he has every right to not accept trannies. So why are you even arguing with him?

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So whats the alternative? Be miserable and kill yourself?

What's to be miserable about?

So we should just accept everyone no matter what they do or what hurtful stuff they say?

DJ-Lafleur

If you want to solve a problem, you eradicate the roots, not the branches.

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[QUOTE="edo-tensei"] I'm not saying we have to kill them or socially exclude them at all. I'm just racing the question of controlling nature's cycle for personal and public acceptance. You obviously want to label me evil because you don't even understand the implications of the whole argument. edo-tensei

I don't think nature is really going to care if transgendered people exist.

And how do you know how long the comfort would last? For some people, it really is a huge solution to a major problem they face in life.

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So we should just accept everyone no matter what they do or what hurtful stuff they say?

N30F3N1X

If you want to solve a problem, you eradicate the roots, not the branches.

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Chromosomes. There are things in life we should not change. And this is one of them.

LMAO at people whining at edo-tensei. You whine about acceptance while not accepting him yourself :lol: Sounds logical.

So we should just accept everyone no matter what they do or what hurtful stuff they say?

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Chromosomes. There are things in life we should not change. And this is one of them.

LMAO at people whining at edo-tensei. You whine about acceptance while not accepting him yourself :lol: Sounds logical.

So we should just accept everyone no matter what they do or what hurtful stuff they say?

Not having the correct body to match your gender and not being able to do anything about it because bigots like that guy don't approve of it.

You say that it's wrong of us to not accept him for not supporting transgenders. But he's forcing them to change their whole life (something that can't be done) all we are asking of him is to stop being such a dick and try to be a little more open minded.

toast_burner

There's no such thing as "correct body".

I don't whine because I have two scars on my upper lip and have to wear eyeglasses because everything's a blurry mess without them. Fat people don't whine because they have a bigger belly. Wheelchair users don't whine because they can't use their legs.

You just have to get over what you consider to be flaws. Accepting your own flaws instead of b!tching about them is a big part of what it means to be adult.

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So whats the alternative? Be miserable and kill yourself?

toast_burner

What's to be miserable about?

You say that it's wrong of us to not accept him for not supporting transgenders. But he's forcing them to change their whole life (something that can't be done) all we are asking of him is to stop being such a dick and try to be a little more open minded.

It's not about matching body with gender bro. You have chemical inbalace in your system, does not technically make you are the opposite sex. If you go ahead and get the surgeries done, even then you will never be the opposite sex completely. If a person could manage living their lives until the point the got the surgery, then they also can manage the rest of their lives and finding ways to accept yourself.

It's not about matching body with gender bro. You have chemical inbalace in your system, does not technically make you are the opposite sex. If you go ahead and get the surgeries done, even then you will never be the opposite sex completely. If a person could manage living their lives until the point the got the surgery, then they also can manage the rest of their lives and finding ways to accept yourself.

edo-tensei

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]Not having the correct body to match your gender and not being able to do anything about it because bigots like that guy don't approve of it.

You say that it's wrong of us to not accept him for not supporting transgenders. But he's forcing them to change their whole life (something that can't be done) all we are asking of him is to stop being such a dick and try to be a little more open minded.

N30F3N1X

There's no such thing as "correct body".

I don't whine because I have two scars on my upper lip and have to wear eyeglasses because everything's a blurry mess without them. Fat people don't whine because they have a bigger belly. Wheelchair users don't whine because they can't use their legs.

You just have to get over what you consider to be flaws. Accepting your own flaws instead of b!tching about them is a big part of what it means to be adult.

Your lack of empathy is disconcerting.

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So we should just accept everyone no matter what they do or what hurtful stuff they say?

If you want to solve a problem, you eradicate the roots, not the branches.

The roots of the problem is that people are being taught these lies that gender is completely dependant on if your are born with a penis or vagina.

toast_burner

:lol: Not really. The problem needs much, much, much more insight than something as shallow as that.