How do you define gender?

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"]

It's not about matching body with gender bro. You have chemical inbalace in your system, does not technically make you are the opposite sex. If you go ahead and get the surgeries done, even then you will never be the opposite sex completely. If a person could manage living their lives until the point the got the surgery, then they also can manage the rest of their lives and finding ways to accept yourself.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"]

It's not about matching body with gender bro. You have chemical inbalace in your system, does not technically make you are the opposite sex. If you go ahead and get the surgeries done, even then you will never be the opposite sex completely. If a person could manage living their lives until the point the got the surgery, then they also can manage the rest of their lives and finding ways to accept yourself.

edo-tensei

So now comforting people is a bad thing? What the f*** is wrong with you?

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="DJ-Lafleur"]]

So we should just accept everyone no matter what they do or what hurtful stuff they say?

Funky_Llama

You're so ignorant. I am not religious you dumbass.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="edo-tensei"] Ironic because controlling natural things in significant ways like life and creation of life is one of the most hurtful things that can happen. I'm not trying to be mean to get under your skin, I'm simply looking at reality. If societies can do a lot of harm with simple procedures, why would the control of life itself would be any different?edo-tensei

You're so ignorant. I am not religious you dumbass.

I guess it depends on how you look at things. There are psychiatric disorders where people feel that their arm or leg is not theirs. They feel it is a foreign object that has been grafted onto them. They want it cut off. Now most physicians would view this as pathologic and try to treat that belief rather than advocating amputation of the limb. Eating disorders also fall in this category. People view there bodies as less than ideal or not how they should be. How one looks at gender issues is more complicated. Is it a body dysmorphic issue that should be treated with counseling and other medical treatments or is it not a psychiatric disorder? Should one undergo hormone therapy and surgery to address it?

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="edo-tensei"] Ironic because controlling natural things in significant ways like life and creation of life is one of the most hurtful things that can happen. I'm not trying to be mean to get under your skin, I'm simply looking at reality. If societies can do a lot of harm with simple procedures, why would the control of life itself would be any different?edo-tensei

You're so ignorant. I am not religious you dumbass.

The sh!t that transgender people have to put up with cannot be brushed aside so easily with "You just have to get over what you consider to be flaws."

Your lack of empathy is disconcerting.

ghoklebutter

Of course it can't be brushed aside like that. Being transgender by itself means having crossed the line of rejecting self-acceptance, no wordplay intended.

My lack of empathy comes from the disgust I feel towards people that feel this is a topic worth discussing with all the problems we have at hand. It's ridiculous how people b!tch over things that are almost completely irrelevant to our context.

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]41% of transgendered people in America has attempted suicide, in other words no they can't manage living like that.

So now comforting people is a bad thing? What the f*** is wrong with you?

Empathy? My lack of empathy comes from the disgust I feel towards people that feel this is a topic worth discussing with all the problems we have at hand.N30F3N1X

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"] Yeah, that's unfortunate. Though it doesn't change that fact that a transgender surgery now is just a confort for people that can't accept reality. Not liking that statement will not change the fact that these people can't look at the real problem even if it's uncontiously.edo-tensei

So now comforting people is a bad thing? What the f*** is wrong with you?

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"]

I'm starting to think that you're some kind of bot, spewing out convolutions of dumb arguments made by the religious rightFunky_Llama

You're so ignorant. I am not religious you dumbass.

[QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]Empathy? My lack of empathy comes from the disgust I feel towards people that feel this is a topic worth discussing with all the problems we have at hand.Funky_Llama

That and "my father has cancer"

It's funny how people try to make excuses about their bigotry and act like there is some form of logic behind their babbling.

that was the worst attempt to excuse a person's raving bigotry i have ever seen in my entire life bravoFunky_Llama

Sorry if I have the capability to look around the world I live in, I guess not everybody has the fortune of being able to think with his own brain.

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]

So now comforting people is a bad thing? What the f*** is wrong with you?

Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]that was the worst attempt to excuse a person's raving bigotry i have ever seen in my entire life bravoN30F3N1X

Sorry if I have the capability to look around the world I live in

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]that was the worst attempt to excuse a person's raving bigotry i have ever seen in my entire life bravoN30F3N1X

Sorry if I have the capability to look around the world I live in, I guess not everybody has the fortune of being able to think with his own brain.

That and "my father has cancer"

It's funny how people try to make excuses about their bigotry and act like there is some form of logic behind their babbling.

toast_burner

It's also funny how people calls others bigots while not realizing they're being bigots themselves.

Bigotception?

Acceptance isn't a universal "positive" thing.

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="DJ-Lafleur"]]

So we should just accept everyone no matter what they do or what hurtful stuff they say?

Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="edo-tensei"] Ironic because controlling natural things in significant ways like life and creation of life is one of the most hurtful things that can happen. I'm not trying to be mean to get under your skin, I'm simply looking at reality. If societies can do a lot of harm with simple procedures, why would the control of life itself would be any different?edo-tensei

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"]

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]I'm starting to think that you're some kind of bot, spewing out convolutions of dumb arguments made by the religious rightFunky_Llama

If that were true then you'd realse that not everybody is the same.

toast_burner

I am fully aware of that.

I don't dislike transgender because they're transgender, I dislike them because being unable to accepting something that is written in our friggin' DNA is a huge show of puerility, both for them, and for all of our society. This thread itself is a perfect example of this.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]If that were true then you'd realse that not everybody is the same.

N30F3N1X

I am fully aware of that.

I don't dislike transgender because they're transgender, I dislike them because being unable to accepting something that is written in our friggin' DNA is a huge show of puerility, both for them, and for all of our society. This thread itself is a perfect example of this.

[QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

I am fully aware of that.

I don't dislike transgender because they're transgender, I dislike them because being unable to accepting something that is written in our friggin' DNA is a huge show of puerility, both for them, and for all of our society. This thread itself is a perfect example of this.

toast_burner

What?

[QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]If that were true then you'd realse that not everybody is the same.

toast_burner

I am fully aware of that.

I don't dislike transgender because they're transgender, I dislike them because being unable to accepting something that is written in our friggin' DNA is a huge show of puerility, both for them, and for all of our society. This thread itself is a perfect example of this.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

I am fully aware of that.

I don't dislike transgender because they're transgender, I dislike them because being unable to accepting something that is written in our friggin' DNA is a huge show of puerility, both for them, and for all of our society. This thread itself is a perfect example of this.

N30F3N1X

What?

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

I am fully aware of that.

I don't dislike transgender because they're transgender, I dislike them because being unable to accepting something that is written in our friggin' DNA is a huge show of puerility, both for them, and for all of our society. This thread itself is a perfect example of this.

N30F3N1X

What?

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]If that were true then you'd realse that not everybody is the same.

N30F3N1X

I am fully aware of that.

I don't dislike transgender because they're transgender, I dislike them because being unable to accepting something that is written in our friggin' DNA is a huge show of puerility, both for them, and for all of our society. This thread itself is a perfect example of this.

Edo-tensei, I think you're underestimating today's plastic surgery technology. Surgeons can craft a vagina that's indistinguishable from the "real" thing. Yeah, they might not be able to have kids but neither can males that are sterile or women in menopause. Does that make their sex "not real"?

The bigger issue is how you treat this issue. Is it a disorder? For body dysmorphic disorders, usually counseling is advised as opposed to repetitive plastic surgeries. Should transgendered people be counseled or should they be enabled to switch genders? I dont advocate the callous "just deal with what cards you were dealt" philosophy, but I'm not sure what the best solution for this issue is. There are many types of dysmorphic disorders where people are unhappy about some aspect of their body. Most of them are best treated by not enabling them. For instance, you dont perform gastric bypass surgery on an anorexic. But in the case of transgender issues, I dont know what the solution is.

Someone has an anomalous gender identity? For heaven's sake, we can't sleep anymore!ghoklebutter

The bigger issue is how you treat this issue. Is it a disorder? For body dysmorphic disorders, usually counseling is advised as opposed to repetitive plastic surgeries. Should transgendered people be counseled or should they be enabled to switch genders? I dont advocate the callous "just deal with what cards you were dealt" philosophy, but I'm not sure what the best solution for this issue is. There are many types of dysmorphic disorders where people are unhappy about some aspect of their body. Most of them are best treated by not enabling them. For instance, you dont perform gastric bypass surgery on an anorexic. But in the case of transgender issues, I dont know what the solution is.

sonicare

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]Someone has an anomalous gender identity? For heaven's sake, we can't sleep anymore!edo-tensei

>2012
>you

Should transgendered people be counseled or should they be enabled to switch genders?

sonicare

Edo-tensei, I think you're underestimating today's plastic surgery technology. Surgeons can craft a vagina that's indistinguishable from the "real" thing. Yeah, they might not be able to have kids but neither can males that are sterile or women in menopause. Does that make their sex "not real"?

Aljosa23

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]Someone has an anomalous gender identity? For heaven's sake, we can't sleep anymore!edo-tensei

Ahhhh based on what's between your legs,wtf kind of question is that Bucked20

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

Edo-tensei, I think you're underestimating today's plastic surgery technology. Surgeons can craft a vagina that's indistinguishable from the "real" thing. Yeah, they might not be able to have kids but neither can males that are sterile or women in menopause. Does that make their sex "not real"?

edo-tensei

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

Edo-tensei, I think you're underestimating today's plastic surgery technology. Surgeons can craft a vagina that's indistinguishable from the "real" thing. Yeah, they might not be able to have kids but neither can males that are sterile or women in menopause. Does that make their sex "not real"?

edo-tensei

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]Someone has an anomalous gender identity? For heaven's sake, we can't sleep anymore!edo-tensei

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

The bigger issue is how you treat this issue. Is it a disorder? For body dysmorphic disorders, usually counseling is advised as opposed to repetitive plastic surgeries. Should transgendered people be counseled or should they be enabled to switch genders? I dont advocate the callous "just deal with what cards you were dealt" philosophy, but I'm not sure what the best solution for this issue is. There are many types of dysmorphic disorders where people are unhappy about some aspect of their body. Most of them are best treated by not enabling them. For instance, you dont perform gastric bypass surgery on an anorexic. But in the case of transgender issues, I dont know what the solution is.

Aljosa23

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

Edo-tensei, I think you're underestimating today's plastic surgery technology. Surgeons can craft a vagina that's indistinguishable from the "real" thing. Yeah, they might not be able to have kids but neither can males that are sterile or women in menopause. Does that make their sex "not real"?

Funky_Llama

I wouldn't be surprised. Someone did a similar thing to me in order to find good gay porn sites.

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]Someone has an anomalous gender identity? For heaven's sake, we can't sleep anymore!Aljosa23

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="edo-tensei"] I don't see man made vaginas/penis have real cecretions, nerve/pleasure placement or or natural physical/hormonal procedures. Please I require a link for such thing. toast_burner

I wouldn't be surprised. Someone did a similar thing to me in order to find good gay porn sites.

[QUOTE="Bucked20"]Ahhhh based on what's between your legs,wtf kind of question is that toast_burner

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

The bigger issue is how you treat this issue. Is it a disorder? For body dysmorphic disorders, usually counseling is advised as opposed to repetitive plastic surgeries. Should transgendered people be counseled or should they be enabled to switch genders? I dont advocate the callous "just deal with what cards you were dealt" philosophy, but I'm not sure what the best solution for this issue is. There are many types of dysmorphic disorders where people are unhappy about some aspect of their body. Most of them are best treated by not enabling them. For instance, you dont perform gastric bypass surgery on an anorexic. But in the case of transgender issues, I dont know what the solution is.

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"] It's a matter of perspective. You wouldn't give a muderer or a pedo any chance or confort even when their organizim dictates they have to do what they do to feel better. I have no problem with transgenders, they live around me and I live around them, I don't lose any sleep over their ideology. However is hypocricy to confort the needs of some while ignoring the needs of the rest.edo-tensei

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="Bucked20"]Ahhhh based on what's between your legs,wtf kind of question is that Bucked20