How do you define gender?

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#251 Jazz_Fan
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Just ignore the studies that have found that the brains of transgendered people are usually similar to the brains commonly found in the sex they want to be.ghoklebutter

Interesting, I always looked at intersexed individuals and their atypical chromosome structure as a means of trying to understand the mind of transgendered people-- although I've never looked into it to see if that was an accurate analogy. As of course it may not be entirely physiological and may have some (or many) environmental influences. All I know is that this issue isn't as simple as many people (morons) like to think of it as.

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[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="edo-tensei"] It's a complete hypocrisy. Transgender people also have something chemicaly wrong in their heads to make them want to think of becming the opposite gender. They are NOT the opposite gender reguardless of chemical inbalance in the brain. I'm not defending any murder, that's your assuption. I was simply showcasing the "perspective" when you look at things. Your perspective tells you to distinguish between the two. My perspective makes me believe that they are indeed ignoring the reality of things. They will never be the opposite sex, and because of that, even after surgery they'll keep complaining and feeling miscerable about their lives. They can't coupe with reality, if they want to live in an illusion then let them. However, don't tell me I'm doing something wrong by acknowledging that fact.edo-tensei

People that are depressed can have chemical imbalances, but that's a field that is still in its infancy. As to transgendered people having a chemical problem, I dont see anything that has suggested that. They may be more prone to depression, but that is because of their situation.

They are not born in a normal birth cicle. Their hormonal makeup is different that any other average person, which makes them have the need to change sex. Hormones are chemicals. Depression and other mental conditions do have to do with chemical makeup as well, because we wouldn't treat them with drugs like anti-depressants x or y, you pick.

I'd have to see the study that states that. What do you mean a normal birth cycle? Are you saying they are born prematurely? Because I've never seen any evidence linking prematurity to transgender.
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[QUOTE="sonicare"]

The bigger issue is how you treat this issue. Is it a disorder? For body dysmorphic disorders, usually counseling is advised as opposed to repetitive plastic surgeries. Should transgendered people be counseled or should they be enabled to switch genders? I dont advocate the callous "just deal with what cards you were dealt" philosophy, but I'm not sure what the best solution for this issue is. There are many types of dysmorphic disorders where people are unhappy about some aspect of their body. Most of them are best treated by not enabling them. For instance, you dont perform gastric bypass surgery on an anorexic. But in the case of transgender issues, I dont know what the solution is.

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Well, for decades, studies were done regarding attempt to use counseling to "fix" transpeople. I'm not going to throw random numbers off the top of my head but IIRC there was basically no effect. Which is why they've moved on to other forms of treatment, like hormones and surgery, which have had a tremendously high success rate in terms of reducing body dysphoria permanently, lowering depression significantly, and improving daily life significantly, etc. Whereas with many other dysmorphic disorders, iirc, there's varying rates of success through counseling and whatnot. I certainly don't have all the answers, but going with the method that provides overwhelmingly positive results is likely the right process until something else comes along in the future that is more effective.

Thank you. That answers a lot of what I was asking. Reminds me of homosexuality. For years it was classified as a psychiatric disorder, but recently it has been accepted by the medical community as normal behavior. That was part of what I was asking about transgender and whether or not it is a disorder.
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#254 ghoklebutter
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[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] Just ignore the studies that have found that the brains of transgendered people are usually similar to the brains commonly found in the sex they want to be.Jazz_Fan

Interesting, I always looked at intersexed individuals and their atypical chromosome structure as a means of trying to understand the mind of transgendered people-- although I've never looked into it to see if that was an accurate analogy. As of course it may not be entirely physiological and may have some (or many) environmental influences. All I know is that this issue isn't as simple as many people (morons) like to think of it as.

I'm not sure if the research is conclusive; I haven't really looked at it in detail. However, even if it's not innate, there's no good reason to dislike someone just because of his or her preferred gender identity. It shouldn't matter to anyone. And no one is "ungrateful" for seriously wishing that they had the body of the opposite sex. Leave them the f*ck alone, I say.
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[QUOTE="Zeviander"]I'm not really sure. Gender can not only be different than sex, but it can be fluid. I identify as male, am a male physically... but I do not fulfill the majority of gender stereotypes associated with the male gender. I express my feelings, I don't act macho for the sake of it, and I don't necessarily participate in activities that men are "supposed" to like (i.e. sports).

You sound just like me.*High five*
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#256 BiancaDK
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its basically the fictional story about the person who continually thruout the story had his natural human body parts gradually replaced with cybernetic body parts, and where in the story do we stop reading about the person, and begin reading about the machine.

how much woman does a man have to be in order for that man to be a woman and vice versa

sadly this isnt really decided by biology, as usually advertised to us sheeple (because science is always a good card to pull for successful lobbyism), but instead this is all defined by whatever opinion sounds more convincing

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#257 ghoklebutter
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[QUOTE="Michael0134567"][QUOTE="Zeviander"]I'm not really sure. Gender can not only be different than sex, but it can be fluid. I identify as male, am a male physically... but I do not fulfill the majority of gender stereotypes associated with the male gender. I express my feelings, I don't act macho for the sake of it, and I don't necessarily participate in activities that men are "supposed" to like (i.e. sports).

You sound just like me.*High five*

Same here. We've formed a triangle. ^_^