i bet u cant answer this: (vegan vs meat)

It could have gone on to have a happy cow life, roaming free in the wild. Crunchy_Nuts

Vegan and vegetarian lifestyles are selfish, self-obsessed ways of living, born from the excessive consumerist society we live in.

Opting to omit anything from your diet (aside from for medical reasons obviously) or personifying foodstuffs enough to raise a moral objection comes down entirely to having access to so much food that 'hunger' becomes nothing more than an abstract issue.

Believe me, if you actually lived a life wherein knew what it really was to be hungry all day every day, you definitely wouldn't have the luxury of turning your nose up for moralistic reasons.

[QUOTE="realguitarhero5"]What else is a cow gonna do?Crunchy_Nuts

Cows don't roam free in the wild. Cows, as we know them, are the result of thousands of years of selective breeding by humans. They would not exist if not for us, and they certainly would not survive in the wild.

[QUOTE="realguitarhero5"]What else is a cow gonna do?Crunchy_Nuts

yes.....yes it is perfectly fine to kill animals for food. in the words of maddox, for every animal you dont eat, i will eat threeblackacidevil96

its whats known as a hyperbole.

[QUOTE="Crunchy_Nuts"]It could have gone on to have a happy cow life, roaming free in the wild. Thuganomic05

[QUOTE="Crunchy_Nuts"][QUOTE="realguitarhero5"]What else is a cow gonna do?worlock77

Cows don't roam free in the wild. Cows, as we know them, are the result of thousands of years of selective breeding by humans. They would not exist if not for us, and they certainly would not survive in the wild.

Vegan and vegetarian lifestyles are selfish, self-obsessed ways of living, born from the excessive consumerist society we live in.

Opting to omit anything from your diet (aside from for medical reasons obviously) or personifying foodstuffs enough to raise a moral objection comes down entirely to having access to so much food that 'hunger' becomes nothing more than an abstract issue.

Believe me, if you actually lived a life wherein knew what it really was to be hungry all day every day, you definitely wouldn't have the luxury of turning your nose up for moralistic reasons.

MissLibrarian

[QUOTE="Thuganomic05"][QUOTE="Crunchy_Nuts"]It could have gone on to have a happy cow life, roaming free in the wild. Crunchy_Nuts

We are part of the food chain. To believe that we are somehow apart from nature is folly.

Vegan and vegetarian lifestyles are selfish, self-obsessed ways of living, born from the excessive consumerist society we live in.

Opting to omit anything from your diet (aside from for medical reasons obviously) or personifying foodstuffs enough to raise a moral objection comes down entirely to having access to so much food that 'hunger' becomes nothing more than an abstract issue.

Believe me, if you actually lived a life wherein knew what it really was to be hungry all day every day, you definitely wouldn't have the luxury of turning your nose up for moralistic reasons.

MissLibrarian

very well said. aside from medical reasons I also accept just plain not liking meat as an excuse. ive got a friend who wont eat meat purely for the texture of it. and thats fine, so long as they arent trying to assert some sort of moral high ground which they would ultimatley sacrifice for the sake of feeling morally superior given the proper circumstance

take a little kid

give him a bunny and an apple

if he will eat the bunny and play with the apple

tommorow i'll stop being vegan.

yomanjdf

[QUOTE="Crunchy_Nuts"][QUOTE="realguitarhero5"]What else is a cow gonna do?worlock77

Cows don't roam free in the wild. Cows, as we know them, are the result of thousands of years of selective breeding by humans. They would not exist if not for us, and they certainly would not survive in the wild.

[QUOTE="Crunchy_Nuts"][QUOTE="Thuganomic05"] Then coyotes would eat them. No matter what they're going to be killed. Better them then me - and better in my stomach than a coyotes.worlock77

We are part of the food chain. To believe that we are somehow apart from nature is folly.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Crunchy_Nuts"] It could have gone on to have a happy cow life, roaming free in the wild.Crunchy_Nuts

Cows don't roam free in the wild. Cows, as we know them, are the result of thousands of years of selective breeding by humans. They would not exist if not for us, and they certainly would not survive in the wild.

Most cow-like animals have a survival instinct and natural defenses. Cows have none.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Crunchy_Nuts"] What gives you more right than the coyote apart from your selfish desire? Nothing. We are not wild animals, we are not part of their food chain and we should stay out of it.Crunchy_Nuts

We are part of the food chain. To believe that we are somehow apart from nature is folly.

And who are you to dictate morality?

[QUOTE="Thuganomic05"][QUOTE="Crunchy_Nuts"]It could have gone on to have a happy cow life, roaming free in the wild. Crunchy_Nuts

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Crunchy_Nuts"] What gives you more right than the coyote apart from your selfish desire? Nothing. We are not wild animals, we are not part of their food chain and we should stay out of it.Crunchy_Nuts

We are part of the food chain. To believe that we are somehow apart from nature is folly.

Most cow-like animals have a survival instinct and natural defenses. Cows have none.worlock77

And who are you to dictate morality?worlock77

its whats known as a hyperbole.blackacidevil96

Who are you to say what is ethical? Animals are here for us to eat. That's the whole point of their existence.Thuganomic05

[QUOTE="worlock77"]Most cow-like animals have a survival instinct and natural defenses. Cows have none.Crunchy_Nuts

And who are you to dictate morality?worlock77

- Right. Tell you what: why don't you buy a cattle farm then let your heards go out into the wild? See how that works out.

- You know what's awesome? Probably everyone here can make that claim. So who are you to dictate morality to me?

Not any more it isn't.Crunchy_Nuts

Yes it is. No matter what you think is moral or not, domesticated animals are here for our sustenance.

When I was a kid I was rather mean to our rabbit, eventually killing it with a bamboo after I'd chased it underneath my parents car.

I'm not sure how that could be assimilated into your theory.

You can have a perfectly healthy diet by getting missing nutrients from pills, you are eating animals purely for your own selfish satisfactions.Crunchy_Nuts

LOL! Healthy =/= dietary pills.

No pills can replace the nutrients that meat offers. Protein, all the essential amino acids, zinc, vitamin B12, vitamin B6, vitamin K2, selenium, phosphorus, niacin, choline, riboflavin, and iron? Fruits and vegetables, by contrast, lack several essential amino acids that meat provides.

Doctors and nutrienists agree that pills are not a good substitute for a healthy diet.

Not any more it isn't.Crunchy_Nuts

I really have nothing more to add to this conversation and it is clear that I proved why eating animals is inhumane and cruel. I think I'm going to go and have a burger.Crunchy_Nuts

Translation: Argument lost. I'm doing something that's pointless in the larger scope of things. I don't know what tasty food is. Goodnight.The_Zoid

I really have nothing more to add to this conversation and it is clear that I proved why eating animals is inhumane and cruel. I think I'm going to go and have a burger.Crunchy_Nuts

- You didn't prove a thing.

- Enjoy.

[QUOTE="blackacidevil96"]its whats known as a hyperbole.Crunchy_Nuts

Who are you to say what is ethical? Animals are here for us to eat. That's the whole point of their existence.Thuganomic05

and youre misconstruing a hyperbole to fit your moral agenda while completely overlooking the root meaning of said exageration. typical moral superioist douchebag hippie response.

btw im an omnivore, i understand the utility of a broad diet. you do not. i understand how the food chain works. you do not.

what do you mean poor people give up morality so they can survive? kind of BS is that. get off you high horse buddy. if you are with friends (assuming you have any with such an elitist attitude) and they order a dish with meat, and do not finish. if they offer some to you, would you eat it? (assuming you are not also full)

[QUOTE="The_Zoid"]Translation: Argument lost. I'm doing something that's pointless in the larger scope of things. I don't know what tasty food is. Goodnight.Crunchy_Nuts

[QUOTE="Crunchy_Nuts"]Not any more it isn't.Thuganomic05

Milk?

And cows are good for keeping grass in check. Where I'm from environment conscious gardeners hire them out as an alternative to environmentally damaging lawnmowers pumping foul fumes into the atmosphere.

[QUOTE="Crunchy_Nuts"][QUOTE="The_Zoid"]Translation: Argument lost. I'm doing something that's pointless in the larger scope of things. I don't know what tasty food is. Goodnight.The_Zoid

[QUOTE="Thuganomic05"][QUOTE="Crunchy_Nuts"]Not any more it isn't.poptart

Milk?

And cows are good for keeping grass in check. Where I'm from environment conscious gardeners hire them out as an alternative to environmentally damaging lawnmowers pumping foul fumes into the atmosphere.

methane is a potent greenhouse gas. just sayin.....

I understand why some people might not be comfortable eating meat, but from a dietry perspective there's no reason not to.

[QUOTE="poptart"]

[QUOTE="Thuganomic05"] Since when? Last I checked there was no other use for a cow. And unless you actually have any prior knowledge of either owning cattle or anything of the such your arguments are invalid. Owning cattle isn't like having pets. Because they're not. Sure some people might name their cattle but they don't treat them like pets. Cattle farmers own cattle for the sole purpose of selling them for slaughter or slaughtering the cattle themselves to feed their families. So yes... it is the main reason.blackacidevil96

Milk?

And cows are good for keeping grass in check. Where I'm from environment conscious gardeners hire them out as an alternative to environmentally damaging lawnmowers pumping foul fumes into the atmosphere.

methane is a potent greenhouse gas. just sayin.....

Flatulence will be the downfall of this planet. Screw wall street protests - anti-guff campaigners it's time to unite

the topic title implies a question.

anyways I did what you said. I gave ten year old kid a bunny and an apple and he bit the bunny in the neck (blood gushing, it was pretty gross to watch considering I'm used to people eating cooked food) and ate most of it until he said he was full and gave up. Then he proceeded to use the apple as a baseball and played catch with one of his friends.

Anyways I held up my end of the bargain (it took me nearly an hour to catch that little critter) so I expect you to hold up your end of the bargain and eat a steak tommorow.

I'm so tired of Vegan vs. Omnivore... I want to see vegans and vegitarians throw down for once.

[QUOTE="Thuganomic05"][QUOTE="Crunchy_Nuts"]Not any more it isn't.poptart

Milk?

And cows are good for keeping grass in check. Where I'm from environment conscious gardeners hire them out as an alternative to environmentally damaging lawnmowers pumping foul fumes into the atmosphere.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=es6U00LMmC4

fastforward to 30:33 minutes.

Somebody has been watching this guy on youtube.... :roll:

take a little kid

give him a bunny and an apple

if he will eat the bunny and play with the apple

tommorow i'll stop being vegan.

yomanjdf

[QUOTE="The_Zoid"]I do know one thing now. Vegans use terrible, nonrealistic arguments to justify their goofy eating habits.Pirate700

I've heard tons of people say that, and not a single one ever realised the problems with it.

So does the kid eat the bunny raw?

[QUOTE="realguitarhero5"]What else is a cow gonna do?Crunchy_Nuts

yes.....yes it is perfectly fine to kill animals for food. in the words of maddox, for every animal you dont eat, i will eat threeblackacidevil96

Does a cow even know they're happy? Herbivores are really stupid, there's isn't much requirement for intelligence when you're big and only need to eat grass. Carnivores are the ones that developed intelligence first.

@ your coyote argument, they do it to eat, we kill for food too, what's the issue? C'mon now, they're tastey, they're too stupid to comprehend their situation, they're better off between two pieces of bread, or spilling their luscious juices on a plate.

MMMM COW.

How about this, you go ahead and go in a pasture, with some of your beloved cows, eat nothing but the grass they eat, and live peacefully there, 'til you die. No computer, no meat, no civilization, just grass. And while you're at it, get a frontal lobotomy, so you can experience life from their perspective more adequately, you'll have no need for intelligence.

If we were meant to be herbivores, you would have never developed this 'intelligence', there's just no need for much intellect, when your prey doesn't run from you, it just sits there all green, orange, yellow, pink... and helpless. There just isn't a need to think, why waste the energy evolving a large brain when you don't need it?