i bet u cant answer this: (vegan vs meat)

If that kid eats the bunny, he won't be getting any more pets from me...and will need some serious psychiatric evaluation

i think that people that killed so many of their brothers in the world wars just 60 years ago

and a world that fight for human rights for the first time in this days we live in

is having to much trouble to Be asked to have mercy of animels.

u will say anythink in order to have ur steak and enjoy feeling a strong domminnet race over others just like

thousents of years over people

pills are not natural but even meat eaters take them too. its for ppl who have probs of getting the vitamins from any source

almost 500 miliion people around the world do not eat meat - in india, africa, china, europe , usa - also some people that take care of thier health
they all crazy or maybe the ones that eat dead bodies

this is a video of a lecture ull never forget - this is the truth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omweihtaYwI&feature=player_detailpage#t=69s

i have i new question !!

would u take ur babies to a meat industery and slauter house and explain how u murder this animals?

u dont - its not human!

Your point may be better received if you at least used spell check.

the editor here gives me probs - its not free only with many bugs

the editor here gives me probs - its not free only with many bugs

yomanjdf

i think that people that killed so many of their brothers in the world wars just 60 years ago

and a world that fight for human rights for the first time in this days we live in

is having to much trouble to Be asked to have mercy of animels.

u will say anythink in order to have ur steak and enjoy feeling a strong domminnet race over others just like

thousents of years over people

pills are not natural but even meat eaters take them too. its for ppl who have probs of getting the vitamins from any source

almost 500 miliion people around the world do not eat meat - in india, africa, china, europe , use - also some people that take care of thier health
they all crazy or maybe the ones that eat dead bodies

this is a video of a lecture ull nerer forget - this is the truth:

i have i new question !!

would u take ur babies to a meat industery and slauter house and explain how u murder this animals?

u dont - its not human!

yomanjdf

Wow... either you're running one hell of a joke thread, or you're dangerously out of touch with reality. No offense meant, but if you really think that you're preaching something meaningful to a captive audience, think again. Until this post of yours, I assumed this was a joke thread... now... I think you're serious. Equating the ingrained desire to eat certain foods, including other animals with a desire to be dominant is not a sane assertion. Your fixation on meat as "dead bodies" is also getting just a tad disturbing. Yeah... it's dead meat, literally... and? You leap from there to cannibalism, which is again... not a particularly sane assertion. Most mammals don't egnage in cannibalism, presumably as an evolutionary defense. The primates that cannibalized probably died from prion diseases of one kind or another.

As for your "questions"... you keep characterizing killing animals murder, which is begging the question. In any case, what would be the value of taking a baby to a slaughterhouse? By the same token, would you show a baby how a wheat thresher works? No... they're ****ing babies. Of course, remember that butchers are all over the world, they have kids, and at a young age those kids DO learn the trade. I have a good irish friend, and she was indeed taught about her father's butchery and shop at a very young age. For the MAJORITY of human history, people of all ages, including babies witnessed animals being captured, killed, and especially butchered. It is in fact, far more human than our artificial system of centralizing food sources.

Homo Sapiens Sapiens has been around for at least 50,000 years yomanjdf, and we've had specialized jobs for a tiny slice of that history. If you consider anatomically modern humans, that's more like 200,000 years, during which there was nothing even remotely like a butcher... just people. We are OMNIVORES, and have been for at least 200,000 years. Babies saw everything, including butchering. It's VERY human... and for 190,000 of those 200,000 years we hunted for the protein we needed. 50,000 of those years involved stone weapons, and somewhere between 10-12 thousand years ago we domesticated sheep. Humans have been raising animals SPECIFICALLY for the ultimate purpose of slaughtering them and eating them for at LEAST that long.

In order of domestication: Bees 13,000 years ago, Sheep and Dog around 12,000 years ago, and the first cultivated grain? Barley, 10,000 years ago. At no point during any of that history did you have vegans... you had people who ate what they could get, and it wasn't from a butcher, but you did it yourself. So... which is more human: eating the diet anatomically modern humans have evolved to eat, and have been eating for 200,000 years, or a modern fad that is the result of an obscene excess of specialized foods and resources?

I'm not saying that every meal should be a steak, or chicken, or goat... "modern" cultures like far more meat than is healthy for us, in general. The thing is... a balanced diet has to be BALANCED... that mean you eat grains, fruits, vegitables, legumes... and fish, eggs, meat, etc. The truth is that if your figures are right then there are 500 million people out of roughly 7 BILLION who subsist on diets which don't involve meat. Frankly... I have doubts about that, but I'm getting the idea that you don't understand the difference between vegitarian and vegan anyway. I'm also not clear where you stand on consuming fish, mollusks, and products derived from animals such as milk, and eggs. There are not 500 million vegans... and if you mean strict vegitarians ecxluding people who are in famine-regions, you don't have 500 million of those either.

So... if you're serious, then get your facts straight before you start another repetative rant about murder. If you're joking... it's gotten stale. If you just want to lecture... right a ****ing blog.

I'm pescetarian-- that is, I eat seafood and dairy, but no other meat. It's a personal choice, one that's shared by a few people I know.

take a little kid

give him a bunny and an apple

if he will eat the bunny and play with the apple

tommorow i'll stop being vegan.

yomanjdf

But I can talk like you too.

Take a full grown adult male

Give him a grade AAA steak and a head of lettuce

if he eats the head of lettuce and gives the steak to his dog

I'll never play my ps3 again

I havea new question !!

Would you take your babies to a meat industry and slaughter house and explain how you murder the animals?

You don't - it's not human!

yomanjdf

Also - where is a meat industry at? Pretty sure that's not an actual place. It's more like a "genre for businesses".

P.S - I fixed all your grammatical and spelling errors.

[QUOTE="yomanjdf"]

i think that people that killed so many of their brothers in the world wars just 60 years ago

and a world that fight for human rights for the first time in this days we live in

is having to much trouble to Be asked to have mercy of animels.

u will say anythink in order to have ur steak and enjoy feeling a strong domminnet race over others just like

thousents of years over people

pills are not natural but even meat eaters take them too. its for ppl who have probs of getting the vitamins from any source

almost 500 miliion people around the world do not eat meat - in india, africa, china, europe , usa - also some people that take care of thier health
they all crazy or maybe the ones that eat dead bodies

this is a video of a lecture ull never forget - this is the truth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omweihtaYwI&feature=player_detailpage#t=69s

i have i new question !!

would u take ur babies to a meat industery and slauter house and explain how u murder this animals?

u dont - its not human!

InEMplease

First I have a question for you! Have you ever called someone, and just as you are calling, forget whos number you dialed?

I'm pescetarian-- that is, I eat seafood and dairy, but no other meat. It's a personal choice, one that's shared by a few people I know.

MathMattS

[QUOTE="yomanjdf"]

i think that people that killed so many of their brothers in the world wars just 60 years ago

and a world that fight for human rights for the first time in this days we live in

is having to much trouble to Be asked to have mercy of animels.

u will say anythink in order to have ur steak and enjoy feeling a strong domminnet race over others just like

thousents of years over people

pills are not natural but even meat eaters take them too. its for ppl who have probs of getting the vitamins from any source

almost 500 miliion people around the world do not eat meat - in india, africa, china, europe , use - also some people that take care of thier health
they all crazy or maybe the ones that eat dead bodies

this is a video of a lecture ull nerer forget - this is the truth:

i have i new question !!

would u take ur babies to a meat industery and slauter house and explain how u murder this animals?

u dont - its not human!

Frame_Dragger

Wow... either you're running one hell of a joke thread, or you're dangerously out of touch with reality. No offense meant, but if you really think that you're preaching something meaningful to a captive audience, think again. Until this post of yours, I assumed this was a joke thread... now... I think you're serious. Equating the ingrained desire to eat certain foods, including other animals with a desire to be dominant is not a sane assertion. Your fixation on meat as "dead bodies" is also getting just a tad disturbing. Yeah... it's dead meat, literally... and? You leap from there to cannibalism, which is again... not a particularly sane assertion. Most mammals don't egnage in cannibalism, presumably as an evolutionary defense. The primates that cannibalized probably died from prion diseases of one kind or another.

As for your "questions"... you keep characterizing killing animals murder, which is begging the question. In any case, what would be the value of taking a baby to a slaughterhouse? By the same token, would you show a baby how a wheat thresher works? No... they're ****ing babies. Of course, remember that butchers are all over the world, they have kids, and at a young age those kids DO learn the trade. I have a good irish friend, and she was indeed taught about her father's butchery and shop at a very young age. For the MAJORITY of human history, people of all ages, including babies witnessed animals being captured, killed, and especially butchered. It is in fact, far more human than our artificial system of centralizing food sources.

Homo Sapiens Sapiens has been around for at least 50,000 years yomanjdf, and we've had specialized jobs for a tiny slice of that history. If you consider anatomically modern humans, that's more like 200,000 years, during which there was nothing even remotely like a butcher... just people. We are OMNIVORES, and have been for at least 200,000 years. Babies saw everything, including butchering. It's VERY human... and for 190,000 of those 200,000 years we hunted for the protein we needed. 50,000 of those years involved stone weapons, and somewhere between 10-12 thousand years ago we domesticated sheep. Humans have been raising animals SPECIFICALLY for the ultimate purpose of slaughtering them and eating them for at LEAST that long.

In order of domestication: Bees 13,000 years ago, Sheep and Dog around 12,000 years ago, and the first cultivated grain? Barley, 10,000 years ago. At no point during any of that history did you have vegans... you had people who ate what they could get, and it wasn't from a butcher, but you did it yourself. So... which is more human: eating the diet anatomically modern humans have evolved to eat, and have been eating for 200,000 years, or a modern fad that is the result of an obscene excess of specialized foods and resources?

I'm not saying that every meal should be a steak, or chicken, or goat... "modern" cultures like far more meat than is healthy for us, in general. The thing is... a balanced diet has to be BALANCED... that mean you eat grains, fruits, vegitables, legumes... and fish, eggs, meat, etc. The truth is that if your figures are right then there are 500 million people out of roughly 7 BILLION who subsist on diets which don't involve meat. Frankly... I have doubts about that, but I'm getting the idea that you don't understand the difference between vegitarian and vegan anyway. I'm also not clear where you stand on consuming fish, mollusks, and products derived from animals such as milk, and eggs. There are not 500 million vegans... and if you mean strict vegitarians ecxluding people who are in famine-regions, you don't have 500 million of those either.

So... if you're serious, then get your facts straight before you start another repetative rant about murder. If you're joking... it's gotten stale. If you just want to lecture... right a ****ing blog.

Great post. Sadly I doubt the TC will read a word of it.

eveneinstein

(second place in sidekick contest =))

said :

vegan is the next evoultion step in humans.

its not a true gold base and true

but it is the moral thing to do

it is saves lifes and u cant love dogs and cats then eat other animels

or u can and then lie to urself

eveneinstein

(second place in sidekick contest =))

said :

vegan is the next evoultion step in humans.

its not a true gold base and true

but it is the moral thing to do

it is saves lifes and u cant love dogs and cats then eat other animels

or u can and then lie to urself

yomanjdf

rabbit stew > apple pie

the day my apples learn to hop i'll stop being an omnivore

[QUOTE="yomanjdf"]

eveneinstein

(second place in sidekick contest =))

said :

vegan is the next evoultion step in humans.

its not a true gold base and true

but it is the moral thing to do

it is saves lifes and u cant love dogs and cats then eat other animels

or u can and then lie to urself

MissLibrarian

eveneinstein

(second place in sidekick contest =))

said :

vegan is the next evoultion step in humans.

its not a true gold base and true

but it is the moral thing to do

it is saves lifes and u cant love dogs and cats then eat other animels

or u can and then lie to urself

yomanjdf

I would play witht he bunny aswell, unless I am starved, ill make it quick and painless and make sure everything is used

edit:hmm after reading my iown posts it sounds wrong

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This guy just made more sense than the TC.

You do know you probably use products that contain some part of an animal in it right?

You do know you probably use products that contain some part of an animal in it right?

Iceozo

if we did not raise animals as pets and raise other animals as feed for those pets there would be a hell of a lot less demand for animals, this means many more animals would not have been born orwould be starving if vegans got their way. i dont know about you but i have no moral grounds to argue for the killing and starving of millions of house animals and live stock, but i always thought i had a higher moral standing than the message PETA propagates.surrealnumber5

Generally I don't feel at all as if I need or can have a moral standing on the whole subject - they're animals.

If cows can somehow manage to become sentient, learn how to objectify or even remember specific events that happen and have happened to them, and develop language in order to convey their dissatisfaction with their lot in life to us humans - maybe then I might be inclined to think with some sort of moral opinion on the matter.

Until then I am going to continue to enjoy munching tasty beef safe in my comfy position of being a member of the dominant species. Yum!

[QUOTE="yomanjdf"]

eveneinstein

(second place in sidekick contest =))

said :

vegan is the next evoultion step in humans.

its not a true gold base and true

but it is the moral thing to do

it is saves lifes and u cant love dogs and cats then eat other animels

or u can and then lie to urself

MissLibrarian

but you have an alternativeyomanjdf

Coudnt eat my own pet, I bonded with it.

Can eat soemone else his pet, though i doubt cat flesh or dogflesh tastes good...

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]if we did not raise animals as pets and raise other animals as feed for those pets there would be a hell of a lot less demand for animals, this means many more animals would not have been born orwould be starving if vegans got their way. i dont know about you but i have no moral grounds to argue for the killing and starving of millions of house animals and live stock, but i always thought i had a higher moral standing than the message PETA propagates.MissLibrarian

Generally I don't feel at all as if I need or can have a moral standing on the whole subject - they're animals.

If cows can somehow manage to become sentient, learn how to objectify or even remember specific events that happen and have happened to them, and develop language in order to convey their dissatisfaction with their lot in life to us humans - maybe then I might be inclined to think with some sort of moral opinion on the matter.

Until then I am going to continue to enjoy munching tasty beef safe in my comfy position of being a member of the dominant species. Yum!

plants not have a nervous system!

torchure an animel and slay it is not moral

yomanjdf

[QUOTE="MissLibrarian"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]if we did not raise animals as pets and raise other animals as feed for those pets there would be a hell of a lot less demand for animals, this means many more animals would not have been born orwould be starving if vegans got their way. i dont know about you but i have no moral grounds to argue for the killing and starving of millions of house animals and live stock, but i always thought i had a higher moral standing than the message PETA propagates.junglist101

Generally I don't feel at all as if I need or can have a moral standing on the whole subject - they're animals.

If cows can somehow manage to become sentient, learn how to objectify or even remember specific events that happen and have happened to them, and develop language in order to convey their dissatisfaction with their lot in life to us humans - maybe then I might be inclined to think with some sort of moral opinion on the matter.

Until then I am going to continue to enjoy munching tasty beef safe in my comfy position of being a member of the dominant species. Yum!

Poke a cat with a stick it will feel pain, go away from home, he stands near the window watching, coem back home he jumps on your lap and wants to be petted, put him in the hall he will meow to come back into the living room.

touch a cat his young and he will protect them (same with ducks, tried to catch one and his mom attacked me :D )

animals (humans are animals aswell) definity have feelings, would be naive to think otherwise.

"If cows can somehow manage to become sentient, learn how to objectify or even remember specific events that happen and have happened to them, and develop language in order to convey their dissatisfaction with their lot in life to us humans - maybe then I might be inclined to think with some sort of moral opinion on the matter."

Cows can remember events and cows have a language, we just dont understand it.
also most animals communicate in bodylanguage, even humans, we are just not aware of it.

I'm not against eating meat but I'm not so sure that animals don't have feelings. Just look at your pets. Maybe some of them just have the ability to show it better. I don't doubt for a second that my dog has feelings.junglist101

[QUOTE="junglist101"]I'm not against eating meat but I'm not so sure that animals don't have feelings. Just look at your pets. Maybe some of them just have the ability to show it better. I don't doubt for a second that my dog has feelings.MissLibrarian

It's funny but I had never cared or put that much thought into how we treat animals until we got our dog last year. He's quite a special dog that has challenged my views on animals. I suppose a lot of people would say that about their pets but if you knew my dog well you would get what I mean, as does anyone who knows him.

[QUOTE="MissLibrarian"][QUOTE="junglist101"]I'm not against eating meat but I'm not so sure that animals don't have feelings. Just look at your pets. Maybe some of them just have the ability to show it better. I don't doubt for a second that my dog has feelings.junglist101

It's funny but I had never cared or put that much thought into how we treat animals until we got our dog last year. He's quite a special dog that has challenged my views on animals. I suppose a lot of people would say that about their pets but if you knew my dog well you would get what I mean, as does anyone who knows him.

[QUOTE="MissLibrarian"][QUOTE="junglist101"]I'm not against eating meat but I'm not so sure that animals don't have feelings. Just look at your pets. Maybe some of them just have the ability to show it better. I don't doubt for a second that my dog has feelings.junglist101

It's funny but I had never cared or put that much thought into how we treat animals until we got our dog last year. He's quite a special dog that has challenged my views on animals. I suppose a lot of people would say that about their pets but if you knew my dog well you would get what I mean, as does anyone who knows him.

I agree they lack the level of intelligence required for complex thinking such as morality but I think the fact that they have feelings/emotions should be considered. I just think that should be taken into account when it comes to animals. In other words, we should have some level of morality when it comes to animals.

It's funny but I had never cared or put that much thought into how we treat animals until we got our dog last year. He's quite a special dog that has challenged my views on animals. I suppose a lot of people would say that about their pets but if you knew my dog well you would get what I mean, as does anyone who knows him.junglist101

I agree that there should be consideration as to the care of all animals when they are alive - whether they're pets or livestock or whatever. I support free-range grazing, organic meats, if I had endless money to worry about these things I would always make sure that the meat I bought came from 'happy' animals.

However I don't see why I should just NOT eat meat because of my morals? Once the animal is dead it's dead and the meat is meat.

I get the feeling I'm supposed to think 'Oh wow, this burger I am about to eat once had enough random thought to be aware of its surroundings, I can't eat this now'. Why on Earth would or more importantly SHOULD I think that?

Like black_cat19 said, omnivores, we don't have to be silly vegans.LustForSoul

take a little kid

give him a bunny and an apple

if he will eat the bunny and play with the apple

tommorow i'll stop being vegan.

yomanjdf

[QUOTE="LustForSoul"]Like black_cat19 said, omnivores, we don't have to be silly vegans.surrealnumber5

Like black_cat19 said, omnivores, we don't have to be silly vegans.LustForSoul

I don't understand vegans, are vegans allowed to exchange bodily fluids in an intimate manor?

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="LustForSoul"]Like black_cat19 said, omnivores, we don't have to be silly vegans.LustForSoul

[QUOTE="LustForSoul"]Like black_cat19 said, omnivores, we don't have to be silly vegans.tenaka2

I don't understand vegans, are vegans allowed to exchange bodily fluids in an intimate manor?

[QUOTE="LustForSoul"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] i bet if your apple bit you back you would stop eating them man.... or at least you would cook them in a pie before eating, or maybe slightly sauteed and served over ice cream

surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="LustForSoul"]Like black_cat19 said, omnivores, we don't have to be silly vegans.surrealnumber5

I don't understand vegans, are vegans allowed to exchange bodily fluids in an intimate manor?

And if they get passed that and have baby vegans are the baby vegans allowed to breast feed?

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

I don't understand vegans, are vegans allowed to exchange bodily fluids in an intimate manor?

tenaka2

And if they get passed that and have baby vegans are the baby vegans allowed to breast feed?

[QUOTE="LustForSoul"]Like black_cat19 said, omnivores, we don't have to be silly vegans.tenaka2

I don't understand vegans, are vegans allowed to exchange bodily fluids in an intimate manor?

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