Jesus was Dracula!

[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"]
Mormons and Catholics are not Christians.
The only person who is a Christian is someone who has accepted Christ as their Lord and Savior and repented of their sins.Crushmaster

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I'm really tired of reading Catholics aren't Christians. A Christian is one who follows Christ. Catholics follow Christ. Catholics ARE Christians. Get it straight.:roll:LJS9502_basic

oh man...

its threads like these that ruin my enjoyment of off topic threads.

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I'm really tired of reading Catholics aren't Christians. A Christian is one who follows Christ. Catholics follow Christ. Catholics ARE Christians. Get it straight.:roll:LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"]
Mormons and Catholics are not Christians.
The only person who is a Christian is someone who has accepted Christ as their Lord and Savior and repented of their sins.Crushmaster

imagine Christ were to return to find out his followers had been blindly following mistranslated / repurposed religious texts - and that very few of his followers were diligent enough to check their texts against the original Text. just some food for thought for someone that tries to say Mormons and Catholics aren't Christians based on a 'New World' translation of the Bible.

Absolutely nothing? That is a ridiculous claim. Catholics believe the Sacraments - works - are salvific.
That is all I need to know (I do know more than that, but that is all that is needed at present).
And since you consider me incorrect on the meaning of a Christian, why don't you enlighten me?Crushmaster

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I'm really tired of reading Catholics aren't Christians. A Christian is one who follows Christ. Catholics follow Christ. Catholics ARE Christians. Get it straight.:roll:3picuri3

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"] Christians are people who have accepted Christ as their Savior and repented of their sins. Unless one is a Christian, you cannot follow Christ. Catholics base their salvation on works. Not on Christ. Thus, they are not Christians.Crushmaster

Okay, look read this. He is talking about people like you for one

http://christianity.about.com/od/faqhelpdesk/f/arecatholicschr.htm

Second, It is not your place to condem anyone, that's gods job, so get off your high horse.

Third, you or any human for that matter can not state whether a person is christian or not because you know not what is in a mans heart. There is so such thing as a christian catholic. You all got offended by this hilariously obviously satirical post (It wasn't stated but COME ON!) and yet you come in here and insult Catholics? The hypocrisy here amazes me. Religion is where you find most of this.

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"] Absolutely nothing? That is a ridiculous claim. Catholics believe the Sacraments - works - are salvific.
That is all I need to know (I do know more than that, but that is all that is needed at present).
And since you consider me incorrect on the meaning of a Christian, why don't you enlighten me?LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"] Absolutely nothing? That is a ridiculous claim. Catholics believe the Sacraments - works - are salvific.
That is all I need to know (I do know more than that, but that is all that is needed at present).
And since you consider me incorrect on the meaning of a Christian, why don't you enlighten me?LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"] Christians are people who have accepted Christ as their Savior and repented of their sins. Unless one is a Christian, you cannot follow Christ. Catholics base their salvation on works. Not on Christ. Thus, they are not Christians.Crushmaster

Yeah? LOL! Stories of Zeus survive to this day. Those Greek mythologies are older than christianity and yet they stood the test of time. Must be Zeus's will then? Amirite?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"] Absolutely nothing? That is a ridiculous claim. Catholics believe the Sacraments - works - are salvific.
That is all I need to know (I do know more than that, but that is all that is needed at present).
And since you consider me incorrect on the meaning of a Christian, why don't you enlighten me?Crushmaster

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="3picuri3"] based on a definition that you won't find in most bibles. let me ask you one question. being a text-based literal Christian (one who relies solely on their interpretation of the bible, as test, taken literally) have you never asked yourself why your Christian elders haven't taken it upon themselves to re-examine the older texts to see if there are issues with translation? this is a very real issue that many sects disregard, only one has taken it upon themselves to make sure their text is sound. many versions of the bible suffered serious repurposing during the dark ages / middle ages, and again when America was colonized. you'd be shocked to see how different your version might be when put against the 'real' bible, based on word-for-word translation from the oldest documents available. you cannot question the veracity as they are the oldest documents available - and they differ greatly from the quotes you're presenting in your signature. just something for you to consider. imagine Christ were to return to find out his followers had been blindly following mistranslated / repurposed religious texts - and that very few of his followers were diligent enough to check their texts against the original Text. just some food for thought for someone that tries to say Mormons and Catholics aren't Christians based on a 'New World' translation of the Bible. WSP87

Yeah? LOL! Stories of Zeus survive to this day. Those Greek mythologies are older than christianity and yet they stood the test of time. Must be Zeus's will then? Amirite?

all I know is that if I was Jesus and people were going around telling other people they aren't Christians based on a text that doesn't follow a proper literal translation of the original document I'd be a bit confused and angry to say the least.

stories in his version of the bible should illustrate this if he took it in to consideration. either way, i'm outta here. these conversations cease to be interesting to me when the other side just runs you in circles.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"] Absolutely nothing? That is a ridiculous claim. Catholics believe the Sacraments - works - are salvific.
That is all I need to know (I do know more than that, but that is all that is needed at present).
And since you consider me incorrect on the meaning of a Christian, why don't you enlighten me?Crushmaster

[QUOTE="WSP87"]

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"] Considering that the Bible we have now has never been shown unreliable even once, I do not consider anything such as that a problem. God has miraclously preserved His Word, despite massive persecution.3picuri3

Yeah? LOL! Stories of Zeus survive to this day. Those Greek mythologies are older than christianity and yet they stood the test of time. Must be Zeus's will then? Amirite?

all I know is that if I was Jesus and people were going around telling other people they aren't Christians based on a text that doesn't follow a proper literal translation of the original document I'd be a bit confused and angry to say the least.

stories in his version of the bible should illustrate this if he took it in to consideration. either way, i'm outta here. these conversations cease to be interesting to me when the other side just runs you in circles.

LOL, you are absolutely right. They can only argue one point.

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Right. Thank your for proving my point. You don't know what Catholics believe. As for Christianity...the meaning is simple. ONE WHO FOLLOWS CHRIST. LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"] Absolutely nothing? That is a ridiculous claim. Catholics believe the Sacraments - works - are salvific.
That is all I need to know (I do know more than that, but that is all that is needed at present).
And since you consider me incorrect on the meaning of a Christian, why don't you enlighten me?LJS9502_basic

Crush*

Just because some one doesn't follow your own christianity doesn't mean they arn't christian. Catholics are christian no matter what you say, they follow christ and his miracles and are christians. Also elaborate on what you mean by born again, as in baptized? What excatly is born again to you?

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Right. Thank your for proving my point. You don't know what Catholics believe. As for Christianity...the meaning is simple. ONE WHO FOLLOWS CHRIST. LJS9502_basic

He is blinded by his own faith (no offense, I'm not saying there is anything wrong with your faith). He is so wrapped up in the things he has been taught that he can't interperet for himself.

Crushmaster, this one is for you:

Romans 14:1-23"Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to dispute over doubtful things. For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him...One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind...But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ...Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother's way."

maybe you'll see what i'm getting at if i use enough quotes from your book :). had Christians in general paid heed to this scripture then perhaps we wouldn't be living in a world full of different bibles with different translations with different figurative and symbolic meanings. Christianity was never meant to be about judging eachother, or trying to be better than one another - and this is the exact idea / driving force that has lead to the splintering of Christianity in to the various sects we see today. many of which being so far apart they cannot look eachother in the eye.

sad times we live in, when a Christian tells Mormons and Catholics that they aren't Christian based on their interpretation (nay, some mans interpretation that preceded you - even worse).

sad times.

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"] Absolutely nothing? That is a ridiculous claim. Catholics believe the Sacraments - works - are salvific.
That is all I need to know (I do know more than that, but that is all that is needed at present).
And since you consider me incorrect on the meaning of a Christian, why don't you enlighten me?LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="blackregiment"] Greenleaf concluded that according to the jurisdiction of legal evidence the resurrection of Jesus Christ was the best supported event in all of history! p2rus

I believe he was referring to antiquity, not modern history.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"] Absolutely nothing? That is a ridiculous claim. Catholics believe the Sacraments - works - are salvific.
That is all I need to know (I do know more than that, but that is all that is needed at present).
And since you consider me incorrect on the meaning of a Christian, why don't you enlighten me?Thinker_reborn

[QUOTE="blackregiment"][QUOTE="Boba_Fett_3710"] Well it's satire to me, as it's not my religion. Besides, if TC wants to believe that Dracula is his lord and savior, who are you, among all people, to deny him those beliefs?WSP87

First of all, he is not claiming it is satire. You can claim all you want but you don't make claims for him. His word do.

Second, read my initial post. I stated that he can believe in Dracula all he wants but for him to claim that Jesus was Dracula is an insult to Christians and I am challenging him on that.

No one is telling him that he can't believe whatever he wants so don't say that I am.

I'm not insulted. I think you are just getting worked up over nothing. This is the exact reason religion is a bad thing. The moment someone states their views and someone has a different view holy war ensues. LIGHTEN UP! Even if it isn't satire don't read this. Go read the Bible or something. Why subject yourself to all this stress?

I got a hilarious image in my head, and you are my inspiration. Picture a cartoon of Vampire Jesus couering back from a priest holding a cross. LMFAO!!! I need to draw this! (Or family Guy needs to do this). GO VAMPIRE JESUS!

Re-read my original post. I asked the TC for evidence to support his unhistorical and unbiblical claims. Now you lighten up.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

I am sorry but I find this thread and your unsupported claims regarding Jesus Christ, offensive to Christians. You compare followers of Christ to sheep and a food supply. This is offensive to followers of Christ.

You are free to believe whatever you want about vampires but I do not find it acceptable to blaspheme our Lord and Savior with unsupported opinions and claims calling Christ a vampire and Christians sheep, a food supply.

Care to supply some real hard evidence, other than novels and opinions from web sites to support your historically incorrect assertion. For example manuscript evidence, eyewitness testimony from ancient writers, or the proof of the "occult teachings of Christianity prior to Constantine". How about some proof for the claim that you made that that "Jesus was Dracula." Show us some ancient writers that existed at the time of Jesus and recoded their eyewitness testimony.

You wrote, "I'm just curious, how will this knowledge, the scientific fact that Jesus was Dracula" and "Dracula did not claim to be a God", well Jesus did claim to be God so you just refuted your own claim.

You identify yourself as Christian. Well Christians put their faith in Jesus Christ and live their lives base on God's Word revealed in the Bible. Perhaps you can point me to Scripture that reveals that Christ is Dracula. The Bible teaches that we cannot serve two masters so how do you reconcile your belief in Jesus as Dracula, a Jesus that is not the Biblical Jesus with the Jesus revealed in the Bible?

3picuri3

You want to discuss Bibles, manuscript evidence, and translation committees. I like that topic. I have studied it for years.

If jesus was a vampire then why arn't all christens turned into vampires?wind-OF-s0rrOw

[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="blackregiment"]

I am sorry but I find this thread and your unsupported claims regarding Jesus Christ, offensive to Christians. You compare followers of Christ to sheep and a food supply. This is offensive to followers of Christ.

You are free to believe whatever you want about vampires but I do not find it acceptable to blaspheme our Lord and Savior with unsupported opinions and claims calling Christ a vampire and Christians sheep, a food supply.

Care to supply some real hard evidence, other than novels and opinions from web sites to support your historically incorrect assertion. For example manuscript evidence, eyewitness testimony from ancient writers, or the proof of the "occult teachings of Christianity prior to Constantine". How about some proof for the claim that you made that that "Jesus was Dracula." Show us some ancient writers that existed at the time of Jesus and recoded their eyewitness testimony.

You wrote, "I'm just curious, how will this knowledge, the scientific fact that Jesus was Dracula" and "Dracula did not claim to be a God", well Jesus did claim to be God so you just refuted your own claim.

You identify yourself as Christian. Well Christians put their faith in Jesus Christ and live their lives base on God's Word revealed in the Bible. Perhaps you can point me to Scripture that reveals that Christ is Dracula. The Bible teaches that we cannot serve two masters so how do you reconcile your belief in Jesus as Dracula, a Jesus that is not the Biblical Jesus with the Jesus revealed in the Bible?

blackregiment

You want to discuss Bibles, manuscript evidence, and translation committees. I like that topic. I have studied it for years.

i also don't generally open myself to two-sided discourse with random people on the internet that are out and about solely to alter peoples worldviews - while being intolerant of others. i have no respect for people like that.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"] Absolutely nothing? That is a ridiculous claim. Catholics believe the Sacraments - works - are salvific.
That is all I need to know (I do know more than that, but that is all that is needed at present).
And since you consider me incorrect on the meaning of a Christian, why don't you enlighten me?Thinker_reborn

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Not all Christians are comfortable with this claim, and that's fine. I understand the Christians who don't share my beliefs, and respect that they are entitled to believe Christ was not a vampire. That's fine :)

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Right. Thank your for proving my point. You don't know what Catholics believe. As for Christianity...the meaning is simple. ONE WHO FOLLOWS CHRIST.Mister_Mushroom

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Not all Christians are comfortable with this claim, and that's fine. I understand the Christians who don't share my beliefs, and respect that they are entitled to believe Christ was not a vampire. That's fine :)

[>Re-read my original post. I asked the TC for evidence to support his unhistorical and unbiblical claims. Now you lighten up.

blackregiment

[QUOTE="WSP87"][QUOTE="blackregiment"]

First of all, he is not claiming it is satire. You can claim all you want but you don't make claims for him. His word do.

Second, read my initial post. I stated that he can believe in Dracula all he wants but for him to claim that Jesus was Dracula is an insult to Christians and I am challenging him on that.

No one is telling him that he can't believe whatever he wants so don't say that I am.

blackregiment

I'm not insulted. I think you are just getting worked up over nothing. This is the exact reason religion is a bad thing. The moment someone states their views and someone has a different view holy war ensues. LIGHTEN UP! Even if it isn't satire don't read this. Go read the Bible or something. Why subject yourself to all this stress?

I got a hilarious image in my head, and you are my inspiration. Picture a cartoon of Vampire Jesus couering back from a priest holding a cross. LMFAO!!! I need to draw this! (Or family Guy needs to do this). GO VAMPIRE JESUS!

Re-read my original post. I asked the TC for evidence to support his unhistorical and unbiblical claims. Now you lighten up.

Re-read what i said. How is that not lighthearted? I'm very lighthearted. I don't take things seriously at all really, especially not "christians". I think Vampire Jesus is actually funny and a hialrious thought. You just reminded me of two kids arguing "Your ugly!" "Nuh-uh. YOU ARE!" lol people never cease to amuse me.

Even though vampires are creatures of the occult and are the product of of Satan?8bitlove

[QUOTE="blackregiment"][>Re-read my original post. I asked the TC for evidence to support his unhistorical and unbiblical claims. Now you lighten up.

Mister_Mushroom

your ideas actually have more solid 'factual' roots in fiction - which again kind of undermines your attempt to be taken seriously. i mean the Black Library is trademarked by Games Workshop as part of the Warhammer Vampire Lore ffs.

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Right. Thank your for proving my point. You don't know what Catholics believe. As for Christianity...the meaning is simple. ONE WHO FOLLOWS CHRIST.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]Regardless of what they actually believe about him?:? Thinker_reborn

[QUOTE="wind-OF-s0rrOw"]If jesus was a vampire then why arn't all christens turned into vampires?Mister_Mushroom

You fool, Jesus isn't a vampire; he's a ninja. Not a vampire, or a raptor (you heathens), but a ninja.Video_Game_King

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]You do know what follower of Christ means...right? No?123625

Then I guess muslims are christians as well....:?

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]Ya if you believe him to be true and real.No?Thinker_reborn

Then I guess muslims are christians as well....:?

[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]You fool, Jesus isn't a vampire; he's a ninja. Not a vampire, or a raptor (you heathens), but a ninja.N8A

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]Ya if you believe him to be true and real.No?Thinker_reborn

Then I guess muslims are christians as well....:?

that said, i haven't settled on my own faith - just basing this on my studies.

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]Ya if you believe him to be true and real.No?Thinker_reborn

Then I guess muslims are christians as well....:?

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]

[QUOTE="123625"] I think he meant christan.LJS9502_basic

Then I guess muslims are christians as well....:?