North Carolina Pastor: Beat the gaaay out of your children!

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#301 Maniacc1
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[QUOTE="Maniacc1"][QUOTE="xscrapzx"] Just because devorce rates are up does not mean people are not going to get married because of it or say, "You know its too much of a gamble for me as devorce is expensive." People are in it for the now, not what it could be.xscrapzx
No, but it is leading to a trend of couples thinking twice about marriage in the first place. I'm not saying there aren't people who get married solely for the economic benefits, but the ones who do are stupid. I'm not even sure what the point of this is. Are you saying because gay couples are marrying for the sake of economics, they should not be granted the right to do so?

No not at all, I'm saying that a big reason why the government does not want to make gay marriage legal is probably because of the monies that are involved not so much the reglious aspect that people always bring up. I will say though, that there are probably a lot of gay couples out there that say, "Hey we been together for a while, I don't see us breaking up or have interest in others, I think we deserve the same rights as other couples do"

Yeah, I can see your point now. At the same time it's pretty clear that supporting and attempting to pass gay marriage legislation is political suicide. Imagine the uproar in Baptist/Evangelical majority states, mainly in the South. It wouldn't be pretty :P
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No, I simply believe we are an imperfect people in need of a perfect savior.mindstorm
I hate to break it to you, but that savior doesn't exist, and is only preventing people from being who they are (and not in a good way).
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[QUOTE="xscrapzx"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] The problem is that you are trying to pass off the economic benefits of marriage as the sole reason for why every gay person in the country wants to get married.-Sun_Tzu-

No I did not say every gay couple, and maybe I should have been more specific than coming off as if I were generalizing. But I would not be surprised if there are several out there hoping that it becomes recognized so that they do get the benefits.

And here comes the backtracking. There's a huge difference between saying that you suspect that there exists some small number of gay couples who want to marry for the benefits that it entails (benefits that are not exclusively financial; something that you don't seem to acknowledge), and that "It all has to do with money my man. The Gay people that want to get married want the benefits of it, not the true meaning of being married. Its all about money."

It's not like you mistakenly left out a qualifier in your earlier posts. What you were saying couldn't have been more clear.

Just because I type something that makes me come off as a smartass, does not necessarily mean thats what my intentions are. Clearly in my first statement I was generalizing, but at the end of the day, obviously not every gay couple out there are fighting for their marriage to be recognized strictly based off of the benenfits that it provides. I figured that seemed apparent. At the same time though, I wouldn't be surprised if there are indeed a large number of them who have been together for a long time that feel that they are allowed the same rights tax wise as heterosexual married people are. I don't believe it was backtracking at all, because I know how I truely feel, but maybe the next time I have to be more specific in my wording and expressions on a forum.

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#304 wis3boi
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[QUOTE="mindstorm"]No, I simply believe we are an imperfect people in need of a perfect savior.Zeviander
I hate to break it to you, but that savior doesn't exist, and is only preventing people from being who they are (and not in a good way).

Seeking perfection is a fruitless endeavor. Nothing is perfect.
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[QUOTE="Zeviander"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]No, I simply believe we are an imperfect people in need of a perfect savior.wis3boi
I hate to break it to you, but that savior doesn't exist, and is only preventing people from being who they are (and not in a good way).

Seeking perfection is a fruitless endeavor. Nothing is perfect.

I would disagree with that notion, it is all in what you perceive.
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#306 wis3boi
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[QUOTE="wis3boi"][QUOTE="Zeviander"] I hate to break it to you, but that savior doesn't exist, and is only preventing people from being who they are (and not in a good way).xscrapzx
Seeking perfection is a fruitless endeavor. Nothing is perfect.

I would disagree with that notion, it is all in what you perceive.

Everything in the entire universe has a fault with it no matter where you look.
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#307 xscrapzx
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[QUOTE="xscrapzx"][QUOTE="wis3boi"] Seeking perfection is a fruitless endeavor. Nothing is perfect.wis3boi
I would disagree with that notion, it is all in what you perceive.

Everything in the entire universe has a fault with it no matter where you look.

Maybe in your eyes. Perfection can only be defined on what it is being based on.
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[QUOTE="wis3boi"][QUOTE="xscrapzx"] I would disagree with that notion, it is all in what you perceive.xscrapzx
Everything in the entire universe has a fault with it no matter where you look.

Maybe in your eyes. Perfection can only be defined on what it is being based on.

Show me something that is perfect?
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#309 Zeviander
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I would disagree with that notion, it is all in what you perceive.xscrapzx
I perceive that everything is the color pink. From the sky, to the snow, to the grass, to everything! That doesn't make it true. Perfection does not exist in the Newtonian natural universe.
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#310 Teenaged
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[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

[QUOTE="xscrapzx"] Most likely. Combinding two families together creates a bigger pot. I would say that it is more along the lines of tradition more than anything though.xscrapzx

So love and creating a family has nothing to do with it. That's nice to know.

With all do respect, you can't create a natural family with a gay couple. At least between the two of them and by no means am I saying that gay marriage is wrong or am I against it because at the end of the day whatever which way is decided. I'm still going to have to wake up in the morning and go to work to pay my bills. I could care less to be honest, just stating that some want the benefits of marriage. If you think none of them don't they you are being very naive.

So, you're ignoring the part of love (marriage is symbolic for many people still) and somehow the fact that they cant make babies the traditional way means they cant make a family?

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#311 Teenaged
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="xscrapzx"] No I did not say every gay couple, and maybe I should have been more specific than coming off as if I were generalizing. But I would not be surprised if there are several out there hoping that it becomes recognized so that they do get the benefits.xscrapzx

And here comes the backtracking. There's a huge difference between saying that you suspect that there exists some small number of gay couples who want to marry for the benefits that it entails (benefits that are not exclusively financial; something that you don't seem to acknowledge), and that "It all has to do with money my man. The Gay people that want to get married want the benefits of it, not the true meaning of being married. Its all about money."

It's not like you mistakenly left out a qualifier in your earlier posts. What you were saying couldn't have been more clear.

Just because I type something that makes me come off as a smartass, does not necessarily mean thats what my intentions are. Clearly in my first statement I was generalizing, but at the end of the day, obviously not every gay couple out there are fighting for their marriage to be recognized strictly based off of the benenfits that it provides. I figured that seemed apparent. At the same time though, I wouldn't be surprised if there are indeed a large number of them who have been together for a long time that feel that they are allowed the same rights tax wise as heterosexual married people are. I don't believe it was backtracking at all, because I know how I truely feel, but maybe the next time I have to be more specific in my wording and expressions on a forum.

About this I try to consider what I would want if I ever wanted to marry.

Sure I would want the tax-breaks. However the tax-breaks themselves arent just a matter of money. To me it's another thing that comes with the "package" of marriage sort of speak. To me all those things have a societal dimension to them.

Say that tax-breaks in my society were seen by the entire population as something negative, something only lazy people need and it generally has a stigma to it (in which case one would wonder why its still in place; it's just a hypothetical). I wouldnt really care for the tax-breaks part of the marriage. Unless me and my partner were struggling with money.

But that's my perspective. I dont now about other homosexuals.

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