Obama's Speach: what a liar

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#1 MarineJcksn
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Having just listened to the man's speach, I decided to provide one man's opinion on the subject matter.

Full transcript of the speach here.

Senator Obama's speach proved without shadow of a doubt that he clearly has no problem being involved with a hateful anti-american. The fact that he denounces the comments of his "pastor" but doesn't condemn and firmly distance himself from the anti-american trash spewed forth from this false prophet shows me without question that he at least in part condones the behavior of "Rev." Wright. Obama had the arrogance to make the issue primarily about race, rather then discuss the matter at hand like an adult. While it's no secret that Barack Hussein Obama is at the very least partially racist himself (Pg. 273 in his book "Dreams of my Fater" proves this), he misused the opportunity to condemn the words of a radical dispenser of hate-speach and instead merely decided to comment on racism as the majority issue.

Barack Obama fully showed the incompetance of the modern American politician today. Rather then answer tough questions in a straightforward and honest matter, he skewed the arguement to try to deceive foolhearty Americans. You didn't fool me Barack. I see your true colors. And there are millions more like me. :)

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#2 linkin_guy109
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wow ok we get it, you dont like obama, stop hating on him, are you running for president? ya didnt think so, until you do you cant talk about what hes doing, do you really think its so easy for him to say the right thing to appease every single damn american? he never will be able to, hes trying to appease the masses, which you obviously arent part of
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#3 Benny_is_here
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He's still better than that feminist.
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#4 The_Ish
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I have a racist, arrogant father. I still love him, despite his ignorance and stupidity.

Am I wrong too?

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Obama is the best nomine. I don't like any of the other ones.
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#6 bloody1f4knight
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I live in Canada so I don't really care but personally, I want Hilary to be a president. (don't try to bash me since I have no knowledge on this at all).
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#7 Serraph105
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Obama is great and i dont really see what you have against him
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#8 JackMcSexbeard
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The thing I have a problem with is that you use his middle name. It may be no big deal, but nobody uses a politicians middle name when refering to him/her, unless of course they want to play off his muslim heritage (I know hes not a muslim and I know his father was an athiest). The only time people bring that up is to play off of the insecurities and fears expressed by some americans over muslims and the supposed and incorrect idea that Obama is muslim. I know you can defend it by saying its just a name, and thats it. Its just a name but people think it means something else and you soubtlty play off it as a negative.
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Obama is great and i dont really see what you have against himSerraph105
No one can ever actually explain to me why he's so great. The fact that everyone seems to love him so much without reason is extremely scary. :?
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While it's no secret that Barack Hussein Obama is at the very least partially racist himself (Pg. 273 in his book "Dreams of my Fater" proves this), he misused the opportunity to condemn the words of a radical dispenser of hate-speach and instead merely decided to comment on racism as the majority issue.

MarineJcksn

What does page 273 say?

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#11 Bad_Mofo_Gamer
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I live in Canada so I don't really care but personally, I want Hilary to be a president. (don't try to bash me since I have no knowledge on this at all).bloody1f4knight

Dont voice an oppinion since youhave no knowlege at all.

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[QUOTE="Serraph105"]Obama is great and i dont really see what you have against himMAILER_DAEMON
No one can ever actually explain to me why he's so great. The fact that everyone seems to love him so much without reason is extremely scary. :?

You know I've had the exact same experience. Someone here at work has been seriously preaching the word of Obama. I asked him on the day of the Texas primary what he liked about him. He couldn't give me a straight answer. He said "He's just cool!"

Hehe, I guess he is kind of cool. He has a great manner about him, and can deliver riveting speeches. But is that the only reason? Could any motivational speaker do well at the polls?

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wow dude.. you should go work for fox news.

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[QUOTE="MAILER_DAEMON"][QUOTE="Serraph105"]Obama is great and i dont really see what you have against himm0zart

No one can ever actually explain to me why he's so great. The fact that everyone seems to love him so much without reason is extremely scary. :?

You know I've had the exact same experience. Someone here at work has been seriously preaching the word of Obama. I asked him on the day of the Texas primary what he liked about him. He couldn't give me a straight answer. He said "He's just cool!"

Hehe, I guess he is kind of cool. He has a great manner about him, and can deliver riveting speeches. But is that the only reason? Could any motivational speaker do well at the polls?

I think it's because people trust his character because of his personality, background, and the way he carries himself. Even if he doesn't mention any kind of plan, people trust him because of those traits to believe that whatever he does, he will do with sincerity.

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[QUOTE="m0zart"]

[QUOTE="MAILER_DAEMON"][QUOTE="Serraph105"]Obama is great and i dont really see what you have against himThe_Ish

No one can ever actually explain to me why he's so great. The fact that everyone seems to love him so much without reason is extremely scary. :?

You know I've had the exact same experience. Someone here at work has been seriously preaching the word of Obama. I asked him on the day of the Texas primary what he liked about him. He couldn't give me a straight answer. He said "He's just cool!"

Hehe, I guess he is kind of cool. He has a great manner about him, and can deliver riveting speeches. But is that the only reason? Could any motivational speaker do well at the polls?

I think it's because people trust his character because of his personality, background, and the way he carries himself. Even if he doesn't mention any kind of plan, people trust him because of those traits to believe that whatever he does, he will do with sincerity.

People can sincerely lead others to ruin, though. He's no Teddy Roosevelt.
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#16 Faylette
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He's still better than that feminist.Benny_is_here

Barack Obama always seemed like a feminist to me, but I don't know much about his positions on big feminist issues besides abortion/contraception and LGBT rights.

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What I don't like is... if he did have a problem with the hateful rhetoric his pastor was using, why did he still attend the church?

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[QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="m0zart"]

[QUOTE="MAILER_DAEMON"][QUOTE="Serraph105"]Obama is great and i dont really see what you have against himMAILER_DAEMON

No one can ever actually explain to me why he's so great. The fact that everyone seems to love him so much without reason is extremely scary. :?

You know I've had the exact same experience. Someone here at work has been seriously preaching the word of Obama. I asked him on the day of the Texas primary what he liked about him. He couldn't give me a straight answer. He said "He's just cool!"

Hehe, I guess he is kind of cool. He has a great manner about him, and can deliver riveting speeches. But is that the only reason? Could any motivational speaker do well at the polls?

I think it's because people trust his character because of his personality, background, and the way he carries himself. Even if he doesn't mention any kind of plan, people trust him because of those traits to believe that whatever he does, he will do with sincerity.

People can sincerely lead others to ruin, though. He's no Teddy Roosevelt.

We wont know who he is until and if he gets into office

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#20 The_Ish
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People can sincerely lead others to ruin, though. He's no Teddy Roosevelt.
MAILER_DAEMON

True.

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#21 MAILER_DAEMON
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Why did you use his middle name huh? Oh, because you want to drive home the fact that he isn't white. Great way to build up your argument.-Kleep-
Assuming much? That's like saying James Earl Carter to drive home the fact that he's from the South. :|
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#22 SpaceMoose
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Um, I read that article and you linked to and from what I read, he DID comdemn his words?

Seriously, though, will you stop making new anti-Obama threads every day. Geeze, just post in your old ones. You must have 100 of them by now.

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#23 MAILER_DAEMON
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[QUOTE="MAILER_DAEMON"][QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="m0zart"]

[QUOTE="MAILER_DAEMON"][QUOTE="Serraph105"]Obama is great and i dont really see what you have against himBad_Mofo_Gamer

No one can ever actually explain to me why he's so great. The fact that everyone seems to love him so much without reason is extremely scary. :?

You know I've had the exact same experience. Someone here at work has been seriously preaching the word of Obama. I asked him on the day of the Texas primary what he liked about him. He couldn't give me a straight answer. He said "He's just cool!"

Hehe, I guess he is kind of cool. He has a great manner about him, and can deliver riveting speeches. But is that the only reason? Could any motivational speaker do well at the polls?

I think it's because people trust his character because of his personality, background, and the way he carries himself. Even if he doesn't mention any kind of plan, people trust him because of those traits to believe that whatever he does, he will do with sincerity.

People can sincerely lead others to ruin, though. He's no Teddy Roosevelt.

We wont know who he is until and if he gets into office

And we shouldn't have to wait until then to find out. That's the difference between Statesmen and Politicians.
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I think it's because people trust his character because of his personality, background, and the way he carries himself. Even if he doesn't mention any kind of plan, people trust him because of those traits to believe that whatever he does, he will do with sincerity.The_Ish

That's what worries me though. I tend to vote for ideas. I need to know what they are. I can't imagine just voting for someone because I thought he was cool or sincere.

At least with Hillary, I know what those ideas are and can reject her because of them. I can say the same for most of the Republican candidates too -- almost all of them have scared me away with the core of their ideas. Obama on the other hand hasn't even reached consideration category for me. I can't consider a man when I can't pin down where he stands on basic issues.

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[QUOTE="The_Ish"]I think it's because people trust his character because of his personality, background, and the way he carries himself. Even if he doesn't mention any kind of plan, people trust him because of those traits to believe that whatever he does, he will do with sincerity.m0zart

That's what worries me though. I tend to vote for ideas. I need to know what they are. I can't imagine just voting for someone because I thought he was cool or sincere.

At least with Hillary, I know what those ideas are and can reject her because of them. I can say the same for most of the Republican candidates too -- almost all of them have scared me away with the core of their ideas. Obama on the other hand hasn't even reached consideration category for me. I can't consider a man when I can't pin down where he stands on basic issues.

Why don't you go to his website and read where he stands?

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#27 GreenmonsterBLS
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People like him because hes a democrat. A lot of people kind of on the fence party-wise see this absolute cluster**** by the current administration, and think "As long as another republican doesn't get in, I'm fine with it." They don't care what the what his plan is or whatever, as long as its not a continuation of the current admin. Plus the GOP candidate is John "I don't mind being in Iraq for another 100 years" McCain, nuff said.
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[QUOTE="m0zart"][QUOTE="The_Ish"]I think it's because people trust his character because of his personality, background, and the way he carries himself. Even if he doesn't mention any kind of plan, people trust him because of those traits to believe that whatever he does, he will do with sincerity.-Kleep-

That's what worries me though. I tend to vote for ideas. I need to know what they are. I can't imagine just voting for someone because I thought he was cool or sincere.

At least with Hillary, I know what those ideas are and can reject her because of them. I can say the same for most of the Republican candidates too -- almost all of them have scared me away with the core of their ideas. Obama on the other hand hasn't even reached consideration category for me. I can't consider a man when I can't pin down where he stands on basic issues.

Why don't you go to his website and read where he stands?

People want the quick fix, they want the news and papers to tell them where someone stands instead of finding out themselves.

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[QUOTE="MarineJcksn"]

While it's no secret that Barack Hussein Obama is at the very least partially racist himself (Pg. 273 in his book "Dreams of my Fater" proves this), he misused the opportunity to condemn the words of a radical dispenser of hate-speach and instead merely decided to comment on racism as the majority issue.

strieeyes

What does page 273 say?

It's Obama quoting the sermon that "rev." wright gave that brought him to join the church. Jeremiah Wright was quoted in the book as saying "White folks greed runs a world in need." Those are the words that drew Obama to this hateful church. It's pretty concrete evidence.:?

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[QUOTE="m0zart"][QUOTE="The_Ish"]I think it's because people trust his character because of his personality, background, and the way he carries himself. Even if he doesn't mention any kind of plan, people trust him because of those traits to believe that whatever he does, he will do with sincerity.-Kleep-

That's what worries me though. I tend to vote for ideas. I need to know what they are. I can't imagine just voting for someone because I thought he was cool or sincere.

At least with Hillary, I know what those ideas are and can reject her because of them. I can say the same for most of the Republican candidates too -- almost all of them have scared me away with the core of their ideas. Obama on the other hand hasn't even reached consideration category for me. I can't consider a man when I can't pin down where he stands on basic issues.

Why don't you go to his website and read where he stands?

The man is running for president. We shouldn't have to go to his website to find out where he stands on basic issues... :?

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Why don't you go to his website and read where he stands?-Kleep-

I am not sure I should respond to this, since you seem to be ready to insult anyone who disagrees with you. But oh well, that's half the people online:

I've been to his website numerous times (as I usually seek out the opinions on every candidate). All I can see from his site are very generic statements about the intended result, but nothing beyond the vaguest of details about the actual plan. For instance, take this blurb on health care:

"We now face an opportunity - and an obligation - to turn the page on the failed politics of yesterday's health care debates... My plan begins by covering every American. If you already have health insurance, the only thing that will change for you under this plan is the amount of money you will spend on premiums. That will be less. If you are one of the 45 million Americans who don't have health insurance, you will have it after this plan becomes law. No one will be turned away because of a preexisting condition or illness."

Sure it would be nice if we could all pay less. But HOW? This reads like a summary of what every candidate has said for the last thirty years. And how do you give everyone health care (which effectively puts high demand on a limited economic supply) and still keep prices low (despite the obvious effect that the first action has given the undeniable law of supply and demand)? Excuse me if I don't get excited by that. Has he explained exactly what he will do, and why this won't have the undesired economic effects that most health care intervention systems have had?

It reminds me of the underpants knomes from South Park. There's an initiative and an intended result, but the middle part is one big question mark.

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That's what worries me though. I tend to vote for ideas. I need to know what they are. I can't imagine just voting for someone because I thought he was cool or sincere.

At least with Hillary, I know what those ideas are and can reject her because of them. I can say the same for most of the Republican candidates too -- almost all of them have scared me away with the core of their ideas. Obama on the other hand hasn't even reached consideration category for me. I can't consider a man when I can't pin down where he stands on basic issues.

m0zart

Here is a brief synopsis. Now I just found this site, but I assume it is accurate. It doesn't look like they have any overt politcial agenda.

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Why did you use his middle name huh? Oh, because you want to drive home the fact that he isn't white. Great way to build up your argument.

-Kleep-

People use his middle name to try and make it seem like hes somehow related to Saddam Hussein. (I think thats what you meant) And we all know that if you have the same name as an evil dictator, then that, by the transitive property, makes you an evil dictator...duh:roll:

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Why did you use his middle name huh? Oh, because you want to drive home the fact that he isn't white. Great way to build up your argument.

And "he misused the opportunity to condemn the words of a radical dispenser of hate-speach and instead merely decided to comment on racism as the majority issue."

He DID CONDEMN HIS WORDS. Did you not read the article?

You are a tool.

-Kleep-

Why are liberals so afraid of hearing his middle name? He shouldn't be ashamed of his middle name, it's just a word.

Drive home the fact that he isn't white? I'm so sick and tired of being called a racist because I speak out against the man. I'd vote for a person of any race, religion, whatever if I thought they were the best choice for this nation.

He commented on his feelings about the words, but he didn't denounce his pastor, he didn't call him out for being an anti-american, racist bigot and he spent the entire speach dancing around the issue and lying about it. He said he never once heard Jeremiah Wright say anything racist or anti-american. You mean to tell me you knew the man for 23 years, attended his church on a regular basis and never once heard him speak this way? :|

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#35 SpaceMoose
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Why are liberals so afraid of hearing his middle name? He shouldn't be ashamed of his middle name, it's just a word.

MarineJcksn

It is not normal to use someone's middle name when talking about someone unless you are trying to get at something or distinguish them from someone with the same first and last name (such as the Bushes), and we all know it. Oh no, his middle name is Hussein; he must be like Saddam since he shares a name with him!

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You are right, he's not running for presidency but he does have the freedom of speech so leave him alone, its his opinion and he's entitled to it as you are. But in my personal opinion this whole race seems like its more clinton/obama orientated, where shouldnt the fight kinda sorta be aimed towards the republicans?? When one of the two wins their primaries, its going to totally divide the democrats, and its going to make the running a whole lot easier for McCain. I see it now.....
wow ok we get it, you dont like obama, stop hating on him, are you running for president? ya didnt think so, until you do you cant talk about what hes doing, do you really think its so easy for him to say the right thing to appease every single damn american? he never will be able to, hes trying to appease the masses, which you obviously arent part oflinkin_guy109
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Sure it would be nice if we could all pay less. But HOW? This reads like a summary of what every candidate has said for the last thirty years. And how do you give everyone health care (which effectively puts high demand on a limited economic supply) and still keep prices low (despite the obvious effect that the first action has given the undeniable law of supply and demand)? Excuse me if I don't get excited by that. Has he explained exactly what he will do, and why this won't have the undesired economic effects that most health care intervention systems have had?

It reminds me of the underpants knomes from South Park. There's an initiative and an intended result, but the middle part is one big question mark.

m0zart

Look here.

Scroll down. There is much more detail than you make it out to be.

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Ok TC, we get that you don't like him. Just give up now please.
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[QUOTE="Serraph105"]Obama is great and i dont really see what you have against himMAILER_DAEMON
No one can ever actually explain to me why he's so great. The fact that everyone seems to love him so much without reason is extremely scary. :?

He's a demagogue. I'm still not sure if he is anything more than just a great orator. Change, change, change.:roll:

Not that there are ANY good candidates this time around, anyway.

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[QUOTE="MAILER_DAEMON"][QUOTE="Serraph105"]Obama is great and i dont really see what you have against himxXBuffJeffXx

No one can ever actually explain to me why he's so great. The fact that everyone seems to love him so much without reason is extremely scary. :?

He's a demagogue. I'm still not sure if he is anything more than just a great orator. Change, change, change.:roll:

Not that there are ANY good candidates this time around, anyway.

If you Frankensteined the three candidates together, I would still not be able to vote for that creation in good conscience. It is indeed a scary time in American politics.

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#41 m0zart
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Look here: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/

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That's where I quoted from. I read the entire page. Every bullet point is just an initiative and end result. None of it is a concrete plan on how to get there in a feasible economic fashion.

Admittedly this is a problem with almost all candidates, but it seems a particular problem with him. For instance, when it comes to health care I know Hillary's stance on it very well. I know not only what she would like to see but how she plans to get there, not only from the things she has said, but from the things she has attempted in the '90s during her husband's term of office. And I know that her plan is completely unfeasible economically speaking. That's one of the reasons I can outright reject her.

I don't know anything from reading this page from Obama except that he knows what he wants the end result to be. There are a few vague details like the blurb about the "National Heatlh Care Exchange" for oversight, or "modernizing the American Health care system", but all of those fall into the category of claims made by politicians with unknown plans since health care problems became a focus of American politics. I don't see anything that outlines his plan to increase health care coverage while lowering health care costs. I just see a list of "wants". We are well past the era of Keynesian economics, in which politicians seriously believed that they could just print more money, or dictate prices in order to keep costs down. All of those methods are loans on future capital, and since economic trends and values are in fact realities, dictations and stretchings of this sort always come back later demanding payment with interest.

Even hardcore economic conservative Republicans could list most of what he has listed here and still get elected by promising it would happen if we lessened restrictions on the industry rather than raising them. The fact is that the health care system, meaning what it is now as well as the history that has led it to be in the state it is in, is just too complex a story to be answered by political promises and declarations that favor style over substance, or which focus on telling us what we want to hear rather than on how we can actually get there. The "health care crisis" in America is at its core an economic crisis. Even the issue of coverage is at its core an issue of the high and continually rising cost of health care. No plan to revamp it is going to be credible without an analysis of the root economic issues behind the high cost. This list, on the other hand, reads like a magic potion recipe.

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#42 Canvas_Of_Flesh
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I've had the experience of asking people why they like Obama and I always get the same answer, "he's well-spoken and he want's to change things." I typically ask, "change what?" That elicits the usual response of, "I don't know exactly, but the fact is is that he's going to change things."

I don't agree with Mr. Obama's policies or views, but he seems very intelligent and well-spoken, indeed. But, for this many people to be willing to vote for him simply because he speaks well brings to mind a fiery orator in 1930s Germany. Not to compare Obama to the monster Hitler but it seems that the same thing is going on.

As far as Teddy Roosevelt goes, he was my absolute favorite president. A true statesman that did what he thought was right no matter how many toes he stepped on. He had a pair of cojones and wasn't afraid to make sure you knew. We need a president like that to revitalize this country. Unfortunately, I see quite a few people whining about how rough his tactics are. If you think our foreign policy now is a little gruff, Mr. Roosevelt's (if you remember) was summed up by his phrase, "walk softly and carry a big stick." That is something I firmly agree with. My country comes first...always. Then I'll worry about being a humanitarian and helping other countries.

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#43 SpaceMoose
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I've had the experience of asking people why they like Obama and I always get the same answer, "he's well-spoken and he want's to change things." I typically ask, "change what?" That elicits the usual response of, "I don't know exactly, but the fact is is that he's going to change things."

I don't agree with Mr. Obama's policies or views, but he seems very intelligent and well-spoken, indeed. But, for this many people to be willing to vote for him simply because he speaks well brings to mind a fiery orator in 1930s Germany. Not to compare Obama to the monster Hitler but it seems that the same thing is going on.

As far as Teddy Roosevelt goes, he was my absolute favorite president. A true statesman that did what he thought was right no matter how many toes he stepped on. He had a pair of cojones and wasn't afraid to make sure you knew. We need a president like that to revitalize this country. Unfortunately, I see quite a few people whining about how rough his tactics are. If you think our foreign policy now is a little gruff, Mr. Roosevelt's (if you remember) was summed up by his phrase, "walk softly and carry a big stick." That is something I firmly agree with. My country comes first...always. Then I'll worry about being a humanitarian and helping other countries.

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I like him for the same reason I liked Kerry. He's not the other person / people who have any realistic chance of winning.

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#44 SpaceMoose
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Seriously, though, I need to get a soda. Let me see if I have any change. :lol:
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#45 Dreams-Visions
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I have a racist, arrogant father. I still love him, despite his ignorance and stupidity.

Am I wrong too?

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No. Just just live in real life. Where the people around us may not be perfect, but we strive to be better.
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#46 InterpolWilco
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If John McCain's pastor said Black People were destroying the country, you guys would hang him out to dry and you know it.

Obama's link to this pastor, plus him being buddies with people from the Weather Underground really frightens me. And what frightens me more, is that people don't care and/or defend him to the bitter end.

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#47 Dreams-Visions
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Here's the whole speech (video):

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/23691239#23691239

amazing speech, really. straight from the heart and straight to the point on so many issues.

If you can't nod your head to most of his points, you don't live in the same America the rest of us do. Or you don't see it.

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#48 deactivated-59d151f079814
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The pastor's speech wasn't very anti-american.. But it is controversial.. Sense when though should you break away from your friends when you have a disagreement?
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#49 Oleg_Huzwog
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Seriously, though, I need to get a soda. Let me see if I have any change. :lol:
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Why did I laugh? My mind says that was stupid, not funny... yet I laughed. Why?

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#50 deactivated-59d151f079814
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If John McCain's pastor said Black People were destroying the country, you guys would hang him out to dry and you know it.

Obama's link to this pastor, plus him being buddies with people from the Weather Underground really frightens me. And what frightens me more, is that people don't care and/or defend him to the bitter end.

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No because I know McCain isn't like that.. INfact the people who hate McCain the most are other republicans ironically enough.. And it usually is because he strides for the common good of the country rather then the loyalty of the republican party... I could care less if he stayed in the same church.. I don't have to agree 100% with everything the man/woman says do I?