Obama's Speach: what a liar

I live in Canada so I don't really care but personally, I want Hilary to be a president. (don't try to bash me since I have no knowledge on this at all).bloody1f4knight

As an American, I really wouldn't appreciate a president whos opinion is for sale (She reportedyl got paid by pharmaceudical lobbyists to stop her crusade for socialized healthcare back in the 90's)......

Oh and the TC is mad because Obama didn't come outright and say he hates his pastor? Give me a break.....

[QUOTE="InterpolWilco"]

If John McCain's pastor said Black People were destroying the country, you guys would hang him out to dry and you know it.

Obama's link to this pastor, plus him being buddies with people from the Weather Underground really frightens me. And what frightens me more, is that people don't care and/or defend him to the bitter end.

sSubZerOo

No because I know McCain isn't like that.. INfact the people who hate McCain the most are other republicans ironically enough.. And it usually is because he strides for the common good of the country rather then the loyalty of the republican party... I could care less if he stayed in the same church.. I don't have to agree 100% with everything the man/woman says do I?

Actually Mccain is known for having a bad temper, so theres obviously a bit of hate built up inside him....

[QUOTE="bloody1f4knight"]I live in Canada so I don't really care but personally, I want Hilary to be a president. (don't try to bash me since I have no knowledge on this at all).Thechaninator

As an American, I really wouldn't appreciate a president whos opinion is for sale (She reportedyl got paid by pharmaceudical lobbyists to stop her crusade for socialized healthcare back in the 90's)......

Oh and the TC is mad because Obama didn't come outright and say he hates his pastor? Give me a break.....

Bahhaha you maket his sound like this is a rarity.. Almost EVERY politician does this, including Bush.. corperate Lobbyists have Washington by the balls.

The pastor's speech wasn't very anti-american.. But it is controversial.. Sense when though should you break away from your friends when you have a disagreement?sSubZerOo

She reportedyl got paid by pharmaceudical lobbyists to stop her crusade for socialized healthcare back in the 90's)......Thechaninator

What does "reportedly" mean? Does it mean a story from a recognized news service like Reuters or the Associated Press? Or does it mean the baseless ramblings of conspiracy theorists?

[QUOTE="Thechaninator"]

[QUOTE="bloody1f4knight"]I live in Canada so I don't really care but personally, I want Hilary to be a president. (don't try to bash me since I have no knowledge on this at all).sSubZerOo

As an American, I really wouldn't appreciate a president whos opinion is for sale (She reportedyl got paid by pharmaceudical lobbyists to stop her crusade for socialized healthcare back in the 90's)......

Oh and the TC is mad because Obama didn't come outright and say he hates his pastor? Give me a break.....

Bahhaha you maket his sound like this is a rarity.. Almost EVERY politician does this, including Bush.. corperate Lobbyists have Washington by the balls.

Never heard of any case where Obama got bought out.

And yes I know it's common in Washington, which is one reason why I wouldn't want the majority of Washington to become president....

[QUOTE="Thechaninator"]She reportedyl got paid by pharmaceudical lobbyists to stop her crusade for socialized healthcare back in the 90's)......Oleg_Huzwog

What does "reportedly" mean? Does it mean a story from a recognized news service like Reuters or the Associated Press? Or does it mean the baseless ramblings of conspiracy theorists?

It was mentioned quickly in Sicko. My full attention wasn't there when it was mentioned and because of Moores reputation I can't in good taste just state something he says in a movie as fact. There was a shot of a paper showing her contributions or something of the sort, but I had been playing WoW at the time and was mainly just listening to the movie to hear all the crap about how God awful our healthcare is here....

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"]

[QUOTE="bloody1f4knight"]I live in Canada so I don't really care but personally, I want Hilary to be a president. (don't try to bash me since I have no knowledge on this at all).Thechaninator

As an American, I really wouldn't appreciate a president whos opinion is for sale (She reportedyl got paid by pharmaceudical lobbyists to stop her crusade for socialized healthcare back in the 90's)......

Oh and the TC is mad because Obama didn't come outright and say he hates his pastor? Give me a break.....

Bahhaha you maket his sound like this is a rarity.. Almost EVERY politician does this, including Bush.. corperate Lobbyists have Washington by the balls.

Never heard of any case where Obama got bought out.

And yes I know it's common in Washington, which is one reason why I wouldn't want the majority of Washington to become president....

Any time a politician takes money in their campaign they are taking it from a organizations and or corporation in agreement of upholding certain policies.. If you don't realize thsi your blind.

wow dude.. you should go work for fox news.

comp_atkins

And you should work for CNN :)

[QUOTE="Thechaninator"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"]

[QUOTE="bloody1f4knight"]I live in Canada so I don't really care but personally, I want Hilary to be a president. (don't try to bash me since I have no knowledge on this at all).sSubZerOo

As an American, I really wouldn't appreciate a president whos opinion is for sale (She reportedyl got paid by pharmaceudical lobbyists to stop her crusade for socialized healthcare back in the 90's)......

Oh and the TC is mad because Obama didn't come outright and say he hates his pastor? Give me a break.....

Bahhaha you maket his sound like this is a rarity.. Almost EVERY politician does this, including Bush.. corperate Lobbyists have Washington by the balls.

Never heard of any case where Obama got bought out.

And yes I know it's common in Washington, which is one reason why I wouldn't want the majority of Washington to become president....

Any time a politician takes money in their campaign they are taking it from a organizations and or corporation in agreement of upholding certain policies.. If you don't realize thsi your blind.

From what I know Obama has a consistent voting record and I have heard nothing of him going back on any of his messages like Hillary.

Remember, innocent untill proven guilty man.

I live in Canada so I don't really care but personally, I want Hilary to be a president. (don't try to bash me since I have no knowledge on this at all).bloody1f4knight

must......resist...the......urge......to......flame........

I'm voting for Mcain.

Seriously though Marinjackson,Did obama steal your lunch money or something :lol:

Ok TC, we get that you don't like him. Just give up now please.CrimzonTide

No sir, I will never give up this fight until America wakes up to the injustice and sees the truth!

So we're still hating Obama? What is with evrything being overrated on here?

Overrating something is just overrated.

Actually Mccain is known for having a bad temper, so theres obviously a bit of hate built up inside him....

Thechaninator

Anyone who was in Vietnam is messed up in some way pretty much. Yeah, I said it. And of course we know that McCain was tortured, so he had some of the worst of it...

[QUOTE="CrimzonTide"]Ok TC, we get that you don't like him. Just give up now please.MarineJcksn

No sir, I will never give up this fight until America wakes up to the injustice and sees the truth!

That's the same thing I've been saying about the Republican party for years!!

[QUOTE="Thechaninator"]

Actually Mccain is known for having a bad temper, so theres obviously a bit of hate built up inside him....

SpaceMoose

Anyone who was in Vietnam is messed up in some way pretty much. Yeah, I said it. And of course we know that McCain was tortured, so he had some of the worst of it...

Not saying it's understandable, but do we need someone like that leading the White House? I think not....

Not to mention if he gets elected I am going to feel the need to check the news every morning when I get up to see if he made it through the night. The man is a freaking dinosaur.....

[QUOTE="CrimzonTide"]Ok TC, we get that you don't like him. Just give up now please.MarineJcksn

No sir, I will never give up this fight until America wakes up to the injustice and sees the truth!

He is right. I will never vote a Catholic into office since instead of expelling pedophiles from the priesthood, they just shuffle them around to different churches. Oh, and that whole history of torturing people thing.

Here's the whole speech (video):

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/23691239#23691239

amazing speech, really. straight from the heart and straight to the point on so many issues.

If you can't nod your head to most of his points, you don't live in the same America the rest of us do. Or you don't see it.

Dreams-Visions

No sir, not amazing. Creating a racial divide is what Obama did. Here, let me post just a portion of his speach for the world:

"The church contains in full the kindness and cruelty, the fierce intelligence and the shocking ignorance, the struggles and successes, the love and yes, the bitterness and bias that make up the black experience in America."

Now here's how you fix it to UNITE people Barack:

"The church contains in full the kindness and cruelty, the fierce intelligence and the shocking ignorance, the struggles and successes, the love and yes, the bitterness and bias that make up the human experience in America."

Pandering and talking down to the american people like we're idiots isn't how you unite a country Barack, it's not how you bring ignorant bigots into the 21st century, it isn't how you incite Change.

I'm voting for Mcain.

Seriously though Marinjackson,Did obama steal your lunch money or something :lol:

Kcube

HE TOOK MY CHANGE!:x

Not to mention if he gets elected I am going to feel the need to check the news every morning when I get up to see if he made it through the night. The man is a freaking dinosaur.....Thechaninator

He's 71 and (as far as I know) in good health. He's not exactly on his deathbed.

Obama is clearly a liar and a Mcdonald's fan...

Obama eats at McDonalds with his sons...

Why do people always bash Obama for having vague policies? All the candidates are like that, it's almost as if being a good speaker is hurting this guy.Sajo7

People are just used to hearing the worst speaker in the world for the last 7 years.

[QUOTE="MAILER_DAEMON"][QUOTE="Serraph105"]Obama is great and i dont really see what you have against himm0zart

You know I've had the exact same experience. Someone here at work has been seriously preaching the word of Obama. I asked him on the day of the Texas primary what he liked about him. He couldn't give me a straight answer. He said "He's just cool!"

Hehe, I guess he is kind of cool. He has a great manner about him, and can deliver riveting speeches. But is that the only reason? Could any motivational speaker do well at the polls?

Charisma and catch phrases. I don't find much substance in his ideas.

Obama has some very definite positions. Saying that he doesn't is just aping the talking heads on TV.

Here are some Obama positions:

Social Security: He will fix it by lifting the 'cap'. Luckily this will only affect people making over $100,000 a year.

Health Care: He has a plan to implement a national insurance policy similar to Massachusetts. However, you will not be forced to buy into it (as Hillary plans). However, all children will be covered, similar to our cHIP plan here in Colorado.

Iraq: Obama would institute a drawdown. Meanwhile, the current plan of shifting the militias to our side, which has reduced the violence dramatically, will continue while the Iraqi army rebuilds. The cost savings of this alone will more than pay for his health plan.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="InterpolWilco"]

If John McCain's pastor said Black People were destroying the country, you guys would hang him out to dry and you know it.

Obama's link to this pastor, plus him being buddies with people from the Weather Underground really frightens me. And what frightens me more, is that people don't care and/or defend him to the bitter end.

Thechaninator

No because I know McCain isn't like that.. INfact the people who hate McCain the most are other republicans ironically enough.. And it usually is because he strides for the common good of the country rather then the loyalty of the republican party... I could care less if he stayed in the same church.. I don't have to agree 100% with everything the man/woman says do I?

Actually Mccain is known for having a bad temper, so theres obviously a bit of hate built up inside him....

[QUOTE="Thechaninator"]Not to mention if he gets elected I am going to feel the need to check the news every morning when I get up to see if he made it through the night. The man is a freaking dinosaur.....Oleg_Huzwog

He's 71 and (as far as I know) in good health. He's not exactly on his deathbed.

Thats more of a joke of mine than anything else. I just think the guy is ridiculously old and if he had good policies I could let that go but he doesn't....

Obama has some very definite positions. Saying that he doesn't is just aping the talking heads on TV.

Here are some Obama positions:

Social Security: He will fix it by lifting the 'cap'. Luckily this will only affect people making over $100,000 a year.

Health Care: He has a plan to implement a national insurance policy similar to Massachusetts. However, you will not be forced to buy into it (as Hillary plans). However, all children will be covered, similar to our cHIP plan here in Colorado.

Iraq: Obama would institute a drawdown. Meanwhile, the current plan of shifting the militias to our side, which has reduced the violence dramatically, will continue while the Iraqi army rebuilds. The cost savings of this alone will more than pay for his health plan.

ThaSod

Is that really a good thing? Sounds like he's punishing people for actually believing in capitalism and making some money. My household income isn't too much lower than that. $100,000 is more or less middle to upper middle class...that would affect a lot more people than you realize.

I say do away with Social Security, since it was only supposed to be a temporary fix anyways. It would force people to plan for retirement and be fiscally responsible instead of relying solely on government handouts. Earn your money and save it so you can be positive that you'll be providing yourself and your family a good life upon retirement.

Obama has some very definite positions. Saying that he doesn't is just aping the talking heads on TV.

Here are some Obama positions:

Social Security: He will fix it by lifting the 'cap'. Luckily this will only affect people making over $100,000 a year.

Health Care: He has a plan to implement a national insurance policy similar to Massachusetts. However, you will not be forced to buy into it (as Hillary plans). However, all children will be covered, similar to our cHIP plan here in Colorado.

Iraq: Obama would institute a drawdown. Meanwhile, the current plan of shifting the militias to our side, which has reduced the violence dramatically, will continue while the Iraqi army rebuilds. The cost savings of this alone will more than pay for his health plan.

ThaSod

Notice no concrete plan. Vague....

Is that really a good thing? Sounds like he's punishing people for actually believing in capitalism and making some money. My household income isn't too much lower than that. $100,000 is more or less middle to upper middle class...that would affect a lot more people than you realize.

I say do away with Social Security, since it was only supposed to be a temporary fix anyways. It would force people to plan for retirement and be fiscally responsible instead of relying solely on government handouts. Earn your money and save it so you can be positive that you'll be providing yourself and your family a good life upon retirement.

Canvas_Of_Flesh

Eliminating Social Security would be political suicide for whoever plans it. It is extremely popular among the group of registered voters that has the highest voting rate: the elderly.

I agree that it is deeply flawed and I sincerely wish that it had been planned out better when it was first implemented, but even big changes have been bitterly opposed by seniors- take for instance Bush's plan for private accounts, announced when he was at the height of his popularity.

Notice no concrete plan. Vague....

Do you want me to add dates and times? Dollars and cents?

By denouncing his plans as vague, you are taking the easiest way out. I told you just a few of his plans and you just repeated back whatever the news anchors and Obama's opponents told you to say.

Do you know McCain's plans? Do you know Hillary's plans? Or are you taking their word for it that they have definite plans while Obama only has dreams?

Do you want me to add dates and times? Dollars and cents?

By denouncing his plans as vague, you are taking the easiest way out. I told you just a few of his plans and you just repeated back whatever the news anchors and Obama's opponents told you to say.

Do you know McCain's plans? Do you know Hillary's plans? Or are you taking their word for it that they have definite plans while Obama only has dreams?

ThaSod

His plans are vague. He took some issues that he knew would garner him votes and made vague...."I'm going to change" promises. Nothing mentioned had ANY concrete plan attached.

This topic is about Obama. If you can't defend his plans without making comments against others then he doesn't have anything to offer now does he? His ideas should stand on their own.

It seems to me he didnt want to condemn the words of his pastor because his pastor has the right to say them. Obviously that doesnt mean he cant condoemn them, but would you want a president who judges the free speech of others?Big_player

Condemning the words of another does not mean one is taking away their right to say them. Anyway...he's gone to that church for 20 years. He can't have disagreed too much.

[QUOTE="ThaSod"]

Do you want me to add dates and times? Dollars and cents?

By denouncing his plans as vague, you are taking the easiest way out. I told you just a few of his plans and you just repeated back whatever the news anchors and Obama's opponents told you to say.

Do you know McCain's plans? Do you know Hillary's plans? Or are you taking their word for it that they have definite plans while Obama only has dreams?

LJS9502_basic

His plans are vague. He took some issues that he knew would garner him votes and made vague...."I'm going to change" promises. Nothing mentioned had ANY concrete plan attached.

This topic is about Obama. If you can't defend his plans without making comments against others then he doesn't have anything to offer now does he? His ideas should stand on their own.

So you are accepting what they accuse him of without researching? I told you three of his plans. I do not find these 3 plans vague. Can you pinpoint what makes you think they are?

So you are accepting what they accuse him of without researching? I told you three of his plans. I do not find these 3 plans vague. Can you pinpoint what makes you think they are?

ThaSod

Who is the they? I'm going by my own opinion of his plans. And those three...as you outlined them...are vague. They are vague because they have no substance to them.

This topic is about Obama. If you can't defend his plans without making comments against others then he doesn't have anything to offer now does he? His ideas should stand on their own.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

This topic is about Obama. If you can't defend his plans without making comments against others then he doesn't have anything to offer now does he? His ideas should stand on their own.

Mr_sprinkles

Wheres Ron Paul fit into all of this... lol

[QUOTE="Canvas_Of_Flesh"]

Is that really a good thing? Sounds like he's punishing people for actually believing in capitalism and making some money. My household income isn't too much lower than that. $100,000 is more or less middle to upper middle class...that would affect a lot more people than you realize.

I say do away with Social Security, since it was only supposed to be a temporary fix anyways. It would force people to plan for retirement and be fiscally responsible instead of relying solely on government handouts. Earn your money and save it so you can be positive that you'll be providing yourself and your family a good life upon retirement.

ThaSod

Eliminating Social Security would be political suicide for whoever plans it. It is extremely popular among the group of registered voters that has the highest voting rate: the elderly.

I agree that it is deeply flawed and I sincerely wish that it had been planned out better when it was first implemented, but even big changes have been bitterly opposed by seniors- take for instance Bush's plan for private accounts, announced when he was at the height of his popularity.

Regardless, you still didn't answer my main question. How do you consider it "lucky" that only the ones that earn their comfortable living would be stuck footing the bill? God forbid you spend thousands to go school so you can aquire a well paying job just to be screwed over and forced to support people who couldn't practice financial responsibility during their life. It's really not that hard to save money.

[QUOTE="ThaSod"]

So you are accepting what they accuse him of without researching? I told you three of his plans. I do not find these 3 plans vague. Can you pinpoint what makes you think they are?

LJS9502_basic

Who is the they? I'm going by my own opinion of his plans. And those three...as you outlined them...are vague. They are vague because they have no substance to them.

'They' is Hillary and McCain. So you can't pinpoint what is vague. I've told you his plans pretty precisely- raising the income 'cap' on Social Security tax (that is VERY specific), instituting a subsidized national health insurance plan similar to Massachusetts, except that it is not mandatory except for children. And the money to pay for it will easily be covered by less expenses in Iraq, where he plans a draw down of troops while continuing Bush's plan of co-opting the militias (which has done more for the stability of the nation than anything else yet tried).

Obama's plans are just as well formed as Hillary's and McCain's. He just happens to be a better speaker and is being attacked for it.

His slogan says it all...

"Hope for america"

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

This topic is about Obama. If you can't defend his plans without making comments against others then he doesn't have anything to offer now does he? His ideas should stand on their own.

Mr_sprinkles

He's welcome to criticize them....but I'm sticking to the topic at hand.;)