Obama's Speach: what a liar

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#101 Canvas_Of_Flesh
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Oh and I hate the Dems plan of a quick withrawal... we made a mess, we have to clean it up... no matter if it takes.... 10 years(100 is too much), If we leave it like it is the US would lose so much prestige in the world stage, and the US can't afford to lose it.pabs013

Depends upon how you look at it. Haven't Christians and Muslims been fighting for at least a thousand years? Crusades anybody? I partially view all of this as an extension of that. But, it's true, a quick withdrawal isn't really feasible.

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#102 pabs013
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His slogan..... "hope for america,".... "change we can beleive in"....

I think who we need now is Colin Powell

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[QUOTE="Serraph105"]Obama is great and i dont really see what you have against himMAILER_DAEMON
No one can ever actually explain to me why he's so great. The fact that everyone seems to love him so much without reason is extremely scary. :?

Exactly. The guy gives no specifics, and his voting record is more extreme than Hillary's. The past can always be used to accurately predict the future when it comes to politicians. Obama is not going to unite America or "change" much of anything. He is going to push a radical far-left agenda as soon as he's sworn in. All this rhetoric about "reaching across the isle" and "working together" is pure propaganda. It's unfortunate that all of these kids don't understand it...they're so naive.

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What actual plans does he have to increase the economy? Since democrats take a more socialist approach, they obviously want more direct control in the economy. So what does he want

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#105 Canvas_Of_Flesh
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His slogan..... "hope for america,".... "change we can beleive in"....

I think who we need now is Colin Powell

pabs013

I'd vote for Powell.

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#106 akatsuki0wn3d
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Even if Obama does get in, nothing will change. The president is a FIGUREHEAD to the congress. Congress runs the country.
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#107 ThaSod
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Regardless, you still didn't answer my main question. How do you consider it "lucky" that only the ones that earn their comfortable living would be stuck footing the bill? God forbid you spend thousands to go school so you can aquire a well paying job just to be screwed over and forced to support people who couldn't practice financial responsibility during their life. It's really not that hard to save money.

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I am saying it would be lucky for the 94% of Americans (including me and you) who make under the cap since they would not see any increase in taxes. Right now, that top 6% does not pay very much social security tax, a much lower percentage than those earning less. If the cap was eliminated, they would be paying their fair share of something that is a tax, not a savings program.

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[QUOTE="MAILER_DAEMON"][QUOTE="Serraph105"]Obama is great and i dont really see what you have against himits_me_

No one can ever actually explain to me why he's so great. The fact that everyone seems to love him so much without reason is extremely scary. :?

Exactly. The guy gives no specifics, and his voting record is more extreme than Hillary's. The past can always be used to accurately predict the future when it comes to politicians. Obama is not going to unite America or "change" much of anything. He is going to push a radical far-left agenda as soon as he's sworn in. All this rhetoric about "reaching across the isle" and "working together" is pure propaganda. It's unfortunate that all of these kids don't understand it...they're so naive.

"New Kid on the Block" concept... plus he's black(I really do think that the youth does give Obama this much attention because of this)

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[QUOTE="pabs013"]Oh and I hate the Dems plan of a quick withrawal... we made a mess, we have to clean it up... no matter if it takes.... 10 years(100 is too much), If we leave it like it is the US would lose so much prestige in the world stage, and the US can't afford to lose it.Canvas_Of_Flesh

Depends upon how you look at it. Haven't Christians and Muslims been fighting for at least a thousand years? Crusades anybody? I partially view all of this as an extension of that. But, it's true, a quick withdrawal isn't really feasible.

depends on how much it costs. At some point we just have to accept it as a failed US mission and move on. I'm not in favor of rapidly withdrawing( lets stay and try to bring stability), but ten years, even 4 is too long.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="ThaSod"]

So you are accepting what they accuse him of without researching? I told you three of his plans. I do not find these 3 plans vague. Can you pinpoint what makes you think they are?

ThaSod

Who is the they? I'm going by my own opinion of his plans. And those three...as you outlined them...are vague. They are vague because they have no substance to them.

'They' is Hillary and McCain. So you can't pinpoint what is vague. I've told you his plans pretty precisely- raising the income 'cap' on Social Security tax (that is VERY specific), instituting a subsidized national health insurance plan similar to Massachusetts, except that it is not mandatory except for children. And the money to pay for it will easily be covered by less expenses in Iraq, where he plans a draw down of troops while continuing Bush's plan of co-opting the militias (which has done more for the stability of the nation than anything else yet tried).

Obama's plans are just as well formed as Hillary's and McCain's. He just happens to be a better speaker and is being attacked for it.

I haven't had McCain and Clinton over for drinks yet.....so we haven't discussed Obama.

Raising the cap is only is but one aspect. And he's paying for increased health care...how? He's naive if he thinks he can just take office and solve Iraq.

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I find it incredible that so careless a society as ours has decided to jump down someone's throat because some conservative pointed out this linguistic loophole. Barack Obama is in this speach condemning the pastor's remakrs as much as he possibly can without actually using the word 'condemn'.
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#112 Mr_sprinkles
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[QUOTE="MAILER_DAEMON"][QUOTE="Serraph105"]Obama is great and i dont really see what you have against himits_me_

No one can ever actually explain to me why he's so great. The fact that everyone seems to love him so much without reason is extremely scary. :?

Exactly. The guy gives no specifics, and his voting record is more extreme than Hillary's. The past can always be used to accurately predict the future when it comes to politicians. Obama is not going to unite America or "change" much of anything. He is going to push a radical far-left agenda as soon as he's sworn in. All this rhetoric about "reaching across the isle" and "working together" is pure propaganda. It's unfortunate that all of these kids don't understand it...they're so naive.

Radical far left agenda? What is "radical far left" in america is centre-right in the rest of the world. You never know, it might do you a bit of good.
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Having just listened to the man's speach, I decided to provide one man's opinion on the subject matter.

Full transcript of the speach here.

Senator Obama's speach proved without shadow of a doubt that he clearly has no problem being involved with a hateful anti-american. The fact that he denounces the comments of his "pastor" but doesn't condemn and firmly distance himself from the anti-american trash spewed forth from this false prophet shows me without question that he at least in part condones the behavior of "Rev." Wright. Obama had the arrogance to make the issue primarily about race, rather then discuss the matter at hand like an adult. While it's no secret that Barack Hussein Obama is at the very least partially racist himself (Pg. 273 in his book "Dreams of my Fater" proves this), he misused the opportunity to condemn the words of a radical dispenser of hate-speach and instead merely decided to comment on racism as the majority issue.

Barack Obama fully showed the incompetance of the modern American politician today. Rather then answer tough questions in a straightforward and honest matter, he skewed the arguement to try to deceive foolhearty Americans. You didn't fool me Barack. I see your true colors. And there are millions more like me. :)

MarineJcksn

If there are millions more like you I might as well go jump off a cliff right now :|

You didn't read a word of what he was ACTUALLY talking about, did you? Wow. Seriously. I am speechless.

While you wallow in your hatred, I'll be absorbing the most inspirational speech of my lifetime.

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#114 akatsuki0wn3d
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[QUOTE="MarineJcksn"]

Having just listened to the man's speach, I decided to provide one man's opinion on the subject matter.

Full transcript of the speach here.

Senator Obama's speach proved without shadow of a doubt that he clearly has no problem being involved with a hateful anti-american. The fact that he denounces the comments of his "pastor" but doesn't condemn and firmly distance himself from the anti-american trash spewed forth from this false prophet shows me without question that he at least in part condones the behavior of "Rev." Wright. Obama had the arrogance to make the issue primarily about race, rather then discuss the matter at hand like an adult. While it's no secret that Barack Hussein Obama is at the very least partially racist himself (Pg. 273 in his book "Dreams of my Fater" proves this), he misused the opportunity to condemn the words of a radical dispenser of hate-speach and instead merely decided to comment on racism as the majority issue.

Barack Obama fully showed the incompetance of the modern American politician today. Rather then answer tough questions in a straightforward and honest matter, he skewed the arguement to try to deceive foolhearty Americans. You didn't fool me Barack. I see your true colors. And there are millions more like me. :)

smarb001

If there are millions more like you I might as well go jump off a cliff right now :|

You didn't read a word of what he was ACTUALLY talking about, did you? Wow. Seriously. I am speechless.

While you wallow in your hatred, I'll be absorbing the most inspirational speech of my lifetime.

WOW is all I got to say to your post. Quite the confidence you got there, you should really pay attention to some of the speakers OUTSIDE THE USA
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#115 pabs013
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[QUOTE="MarineJcksn"]

Having just listened to the man's speach, I decided to provide one man's opinion on the subject matter.

Full transcript of the speach here.

Senator Obama's speach proved without shadow of a doubt that he clearly has no problem being involved with a hateful anti-american. The fact that he denounces the comments of his "pastor" but doesn't condemn and firmly distance himself from the anti-american trash spewed forth from this false prophet shows me without question that he at least in part condones the behavior of "Rev." Wright. Obama had the arrogance to make the issue primarily about race, rather then discuss the matter at hand like an adult. While it's no secret that Barack Hussein Obama is at the very least partially racist himself (Pg. 273 in his book "Dreams of my Fater" proves this), he misused the opportunity to condemn the words of a radical dispenser of hate-speach and instead merely decided to comment on racism as the majority issue.

Barack Obama fully showed the incompetance of the modern American politician today. Rather then answer tough questions in a straightforward and honest matter, he skewed the arguement to try to deceive foolhearty Americans. You didn't fool me Barack. I see your true colors. And there are millions more like me. :)

smarb001

If there are millions more like you I might as well go jump off a cliff right now :|

You didn't read a word of what he was ACTUALLY talking about, did you? Wow. Seriously. I am speechless.

While you wallow in your hatred, I'll be absorbing the most inspirational speech of my lifetime.

Why don't you listen to Benzair Bhutto(RIP), Angela Merkel, Gordon Brown, The Dalai Lama, Kofi Annan, Nelson Mandela.. listen to one of their speeches, Obama & his speeches are nothing compared to these men and women.

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#116 smarb001
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If Obama doesn't at least win the Democratic nomination and get a shot at the presidency, I will lose faith in humanity.
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#117 genfactor
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Does this mean he really isn't a muslium? :?

Seriously, the only other option is Hillary and I don't know what she stands for either. All I've heard from her are the same things Obama says about the war and almost the same thing about healt care. Other than that you would think her platform was "anti nice speeches". Do any of us know any of the candidates plans for anything other than the war and health care?

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#118 smarb001
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[QUOTE="smarb001"][QUOTE="MarineJcksn"]

Having just listened to the man's speach, I decided to provide one man's opinion on the subject matter.

Full transcript of the speach here.

Senator Obama's speach proved without shadow of a doubt that he clearly has no problem being involved with a hateful anti-american. The fact that he denounces the comments of his "pastor" but doesn't condemn and firmly distance himself from the anti-american trash spewed forth from this false prophet shows me without question that he at least in part condones the behavior of "Rev." Wright. Obama had the arrogance to make the issue primarily about race, rather then discuss the matter at hand like an adult. While it's no secret that Barack Hussein Obama is at the very least partially racist himself (Pg. 273 in his book "Dreams of my Fater" proves this), he misused the opportunity to condemn the words of a radical dispenser of hate-speach and instead merely decided to comment on racism as the majority issue.

Barack Obama fully showed the incompetance of the modern American politician today. Rather then answer tough questions in a straightforward and honest matter, he skewed the arguement to try to deceive foolhearty Americans. You didn't fool me Barack. I see your true colors. And there are millions more like me. :)

pabs013

If there are millions more like you I might as well go jump off a cliff right now :|

You didn't read a word of what he was ACTUALLY talking about, did you? Wow. Seriously. I am speechless.

While you wallow in your hatred, I'll be absorbing the most inspirational speech of my lifetime.

Why don't you listen to Benzair Bhutto(RIP), Angela Merkel, Gordon Brown, The Dalai Lama, Kofi Annan, Nelson Mandela.. listen to one of their speeches, Obama & his speeches are nothing compared to these men and women.

I'm not that old, and I wasn't exactly into politics as a kid. :P And Gordon Brown is anything but inspirational. :roll:

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Why don't you listen to Benzair Bhutto(RIP), Angela Merkel, Gordon Brown, The Dalai Lama, Kofi Annan, Nelson Mandela.. listen to one of their speeches, Obama & his speeches are nothing compared to these men and women.

pabs013
Gordon Brown? Seriously?
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#120 InterpolWilco
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[QUOTE="InterpolWilco"]

If John McCain's pastor said Black People were destroying the country, you guys would hang him out to dry and you know it.

Obama's link to this pastor, plus him being buddies with people from the Weather Underground really frightens me. And what frightens me more, is that people don't care and/or defend him to the bitter end.

sSubZerOo

No because I know McCain isn't like that.. INfact the people who hate McCain the most are other republicans ironically enough.. And it usually is because he strides for the common good of the country rather then the loyalty of the republican party... I could care less if he stayed in the same church.. I don't have to agree 100% with everything the man/woman says do I?

If his pastor said that "catholics were going to hell" or that "black people are the curse of the nation" and gave an award lets say, to the Grand Wizard of the KKK, I'd seriously have quite a few questions for John McCain, just like I do Barack Obama.

If my priest stood up and said something hateful towards ANY group, I'd get up and walk out.

Its not like his pastor said something small, he's accusing the government of creating AIDS to kill Black people and said "Americas chickens have come home to roost" 5 days after 9/11 is just horrendous.

Tell that to my friend's face, who lost her father that day. Absolutely disgusting thing to say.

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A better argument to use against Obama is his lack of judgement IMO. I mean Obama keeps saying he has good judgment, but seeing the people he's friends with and has associated with, does he really? Now I'm not saying he is a Muslim or not a Christian, but between his friendships with his pastor/spiritual advisor, Jeremiah Wright, who is a complete racist, Rezko, a slum landlord owner, William Ayers, a terrorist, Louis Farrakhan, also a racist, you eventually have to step back and at least question his judgement. He has surrounded himself with some people of questionable values. This you cannot deny.

Now the biggest thing that brings his character into judgement is the fact that he has willingly been listening to his pastor's messages of racism for who knows how long. Jeremiah Wright isn't even preaching Christian values. He is preaching politics and racism. I know Obama didn't make these racist and unpatriotic comments and even denounced them, but the fact stills stands that he attended the church for 20 years and still goes there which says a lot IMO. And Obama has talked about his faith and church while campaigning, even bringing up his book "The Audacity of Hope" for which his pastor was the inspiration for, so I consider talking about his connections with his pastor fair game. You can't bring up your faith when it is convenient for you and tell us to overlook it when its not. You can't have it both ways. I'm white and have some close black friends where I work, and if my preacher uttered even a hint of racism, I would never again step foot into that church. Obama didn't do that. He continued to go there which makes me wonder if he was nodding his head to those sermons saying preach it.

Another thing I find extemely hypocritical of Obama's supporters is that yall say why blame Obama for what his pastor says, yet yall blamed Hillary and called her every name in the book over what Geraldine Ferraro said. It is the same exact thing. Double standards FTL.

And I also find it odd that in this campaign, the charges were made by the liberal media that Romney may let his Morman faith and Huckabee may let his Southern Baptist faith be their guide to running this country, yet they don't even utter a word about Obama and his church's message of hate. So instead of just bashing Fox News, why don't yall bash your liberal media as well.

And truthfully, I consider Obama weak because he can't take punches. Anytime someone says anything remotely negative about him, his supporters or the media run to his aid, or they bash the people that just have doubts about him and automatically label them as racists. Heck, just look at this thread. It's funny how people that are against such ignorance can themselves display it.

I mean we are about to elect him as President, and we know nothing about him. We know what there is to know about Hillary and McCain but not Obama, yet yall want to elect him as President with no questions asked. To me that seems worse than Hillary not reading the National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq. Yes, the man has ideas and views on how to do things, but they are extremely vague. He gives you a starting point, and what he wants the end result to be, but the problem is that he doesn't elaborate on how he is going to get from point A to point B. On top of his vague policies, the man doesn't have a lick of foreign policy experience, and has beat out John Kerry and Ted Kennedy as the most liberal person in the Senate. But of course in this day and age experience means absolutely nothing and charisma means everything. Heck I should run for President.
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#122 DivergeUnify
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[QUOTE="Canvas_Of_Flesh"]

Regardless, you still didn't answer my main question. How do you consider it "lucky" that only the ones that earn their comfortable living would be stuck footing the bill? God forbid you spend thousands to go school so you can aquire a well paying job just to be screwed over and forced to support people who couldn't practice financial responsibility during their life. It's really not that hard to save money.

ThaSod

I am saying it would be lucky for the 94% of Americans (including me and you) who make under the cap since they would not see any increase in taxes. Right now, that top 6% does not pay very much social security tax, a much lower percentage than those earning less. If the cap was eliminated, they would be paying their fair share of something that is a tax, not a savings program.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/menu/top_50__of_wage_earners_pay_96_09__of_income_taxes.guest.html

top 5 percent pay over 50 percent of taxes

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Having just listened to the man's speach, I decided to provide one man's opinion on the subject matter.

Full transcript of the speach here.

Senator Obama's speach proved without shadow of a doubt that he clearly has no problem being involved with a hateful anti-american. The fact that he denounces the comments of his "pastor" but doesn't condemn and firmly distance himself from the anti-american trash spewed forth from this false prophet shows me without question that he at least in part condones the behavior of "Rev." Wright. Obama had the arrogance to make the issue primarily about race, rather then discuss the matter at hand like an adult. While it's no secret that Barack Hussein Obama is at the very least partially racist himself (Pg. 273 in his book "Dreams of my Fater" proves this), he misused the opportunity to condemn the words of a radical dispenser of hate-speach and instead merely decided to comment on racism as the majority issue.

Barack Obama fully showed the incompetance of the modern American politician today. Rather then answer tough questions in a straightforward and honest matter, he skewed the arguement to try to deceive foolhearty Americans. You didn't fool me Barack. I see your true colors. And there are millions more like me. :)

MarineJcksn

I really feel sorry for you.

The sad truth is that the general tone and feeling of Mr. Obama's former minister is absolutely accurate. The fact is that in this country, due to the themes of the past that to this day continue, black men and women do not have the opportunity of a white man or woman. Women may have to fight the glass ceiling, but a black man born in the getto is less likely to get our than a woman is to become a doctor or any other profession that 50 years ago no one would have considered a woman for. Look at all the high ranking female scientists, politicians, business people, etc. vs. the fact that it took 2000 for a Muslim to be elected to Congress.

I went to Virginia once, I remember that all our tour guides, our bus drivers, generally everyone we met that had a decent job was a white person. Then I went into a sloppy diner near Williamsburg and guess what, every piss on employee in that place was black, except the white manager. I saw racism, and that was in 1997. Racism lives strong in this country, to this day, and if you don't see it, your living with your eyes closed. Why should we all condemn a minister for telling the truth. Our racism agains muslims, blacks, asians, native americans, etc. has caused a great deal of anger, both internationally and domestically, it is reality, to deny it is obliviousness.

But Obama didn't shove that in our faces, he didn't blame us. He pointed out that there are steps that can be made, in every community, in every aspect of our society that will continue to build this nation and fix the wounds of our past. For crying out loud he quoted Faulkner, who if you read had blatantly racist themes all throughout his works. He pointed out racism from all sides and he showed the unfairness in blond haired, blue eyed white guys like me feeling like we are in some way responsible for our ancestors (Oh, by the way, my great grandma who lived until about 1965 thought that being black was the mark of Cain). He talked to all of us as no politician since MLK and the Kennedy's (Jack and Bobby) has spoken to us.

For once America, open you ears, really listen to the words, they are amazing. All my life I have listened to BS from politicians and I have never in my life heard one speak to us like he does (that includes both Clinton and 'teh great communicator' Reagan). But perhaps if the real risk to Obama is realized you will see the truth in his former ministers statements. Fact is, if Obama wins the presidency and isn't assassinated, or at least shot at, it will be a miracle. That is the real state of racism in this nation.

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A better argument to use against Obama is his lack of judgement IMO. I mean Obama keeps saying he has good judgment, but seeing the people he's friends with and has associated with, does he really? Now I'm not saying he is a Muslim or not a Christian, but between his friendships with his pastor/spiritual advisor, Jeremiah Wright, who is a complete racist, Rezko, a slum landlord owner, William Ayers, a terrorist, Louis Farrakhan, also a racist, you eventually have to step back and at least question his judgement. He has surrounded himself with some people of questionable values. This you cannot deny.

Now the biggest thing that brings his character into judgement is the fact that he has willingly been listening to his pastor's messages of racism for who knows how long. Jeremiah Wright isn't even preaching Christian values. He is preaching politics and racism. I know Obama didn't make these racist and unpatriotic comments and even denounced them, but the fact stills stands that he attended the church for 20 years and still goes there which says a lot IMO. And Obama has talked about his faith and church while campaigning, even bringing up his book "The Audacity of Hope" for which his pastor was the inspiration for, so I consider talking about his connections with his pastor fair game. You can't bring up your faith when it is convenient for you and tell us to overlook it when its not. You can't have it both ways. I'm white and have some close black friends where I work, and if my preacher uttered even a hint of racism, I would never again step foot into that church. Obama didn't do that. He continued to go there which makes me wonder if he was nodding his head to those sermons saying preach it.

Another thing I find extemely hypocritical of Obama's supporters is that yall say why blame Obama for what his pastor says, yet yall blamed Hillary and called her every name in the book over what Geraldine Ferraro said. It is the same exact thing. Double standards FTL.

And I also find it odd that in this campaign, the charges were made by the liberal media that Romney may let his Morman faith and Huckabee may let his Southern Baptist faith be their guide to running this country, yet they don't even utter a word about Obama and his church's message of hate. So instead of just bashing Fox News, why don't yall bash your liberal media as well.

And truthfully, I consider Obama weak because he can't take punches. Anytime someone says anything remotely negative about him, his supporters or the media run to his aid, or they bash the people that just have doubts about him and automatically label them as racists. Heck, just look at this thread. It's funny how people that are against such ignorance can themselves display it.

I mean we are about to elect him as President, and we know nothing about him. We know what there is to know about Hillary and McCain but not Obama, yet yall want to elect him as President with no questions asked. To me that seems worse than Hillary not reading the National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq. Yes, the man has ideas and views on how to do things, but they are extremely vague. He gives you a starting point, and what he wants the end result to be, but the problem is that he doesn't elaborate on how he is going to get from point A to point B. On top of his vague policies, the man doesn't have a lick of foreign policy experience, and has beat out John Kerry and Ted Kennedy as the most liberal person in the Senate. But of course in this day and age experience means absolutely nothing and charisma means everything. Heck I should run for President. peaceful_anger

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="InterpolWilco"]

If John McCain's pastor said Black People were destroying the country, you guys would hang him out to dry and you know it.

Obama's link to this pastor, plus him being buddies with people from the Weather Underground really frightens me. And what frightens me more, is that people don't care and/or defend him to the bitter end.

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No because I know McCain isn't like that.. INfact the people who hate McCain the most are other republicans ironically enough.. And it usually is because he strides for the common good of the country rather then the loyalty of the republican party... I could care less if he stayed in the same church.. I don't have to agree 100% with everything the man/woman says do I?

If his pastor said that "catholics were going to hell" or that "black people are the curse of the nation" and gave an award lets say, to the Grand Wizard of the KKK, I'd seriously have quite a few questions for John McCain, just like I do Barack Obama.

If my priest stood up and said something hateful towards ANY group, I'd get up and walk out.

Its not like his pastor said something small, he's accusing the government of creating AIDS to kill Black people and said "Americas chickens have come home to roost" 5 days after 9/11 is just horrendous.

Tell that to my friend's face, who lost her father that day. Absolutely disgusting thing to say.

9/11 was partially brought on by American philospohy and interventions into the middle east. Its undeniable. Of course the other half is simple blinding hate, but I digress.

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[QUOTE="ThaSod"][QUOTE="Canvas_Of_Flesh"]

Regardless, you still didn't answer my main question. How do you consider it "lucky" that only the ones that earn their comfortable living would be stuck footing the bill? God forbid you spend thousands to go school so you can aquire a well paying job just to be screwed over and forced to support people who couldn't practice financial responsibility during their life. It's really not that hard to save money.

DivergeUnify

I am saying it would be lucky for the 94% of Americans (including me and you) who make under the cap since they would not see any increase in taxes. Right now, that top 6% does not pay very much social security tax, a much lower percentage than those earning less. If the cap was eliminated, they would be paying their fair share of something that is a tax, not a savings program.

top 5 percent pay over 50 percent of taxes

Good, after all, why does anyone really need billions of dollars.

But I guarantee you that the single mother needs every dime the 20-30 grand she takes home.

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Regardless, you still didn't answer my main question. How do you consider it "lucky" that only the ones that earn their comfortable living would be stuck footing the bill? God forbid you spend thousands to go school so you can aquire a well paying job just to be screwed over and forced to support people who couldn't practice financial responsibility during their life. It's really not that hard to save money.

ThaSod

I am saying it would be lucky for the 94% of Americans (including me and you) who make under the cap since they would not see any increase in taxes. Right now, that top 6% does not pay very much social security tax, a much lower percentage than those earning less. If the cap was eliminated, they would be paying their fair share of something that is a tax, not a savings program.

Ridiculous. Those who make $75,000 or more a year pay 51% of the country's income tax. Here's the breakdown of those numbers:

The top 3% of income tax filers, those making 100,000, paid 40% of the taxes.

The top 4/5ths of 1% (200,000 or more) paid 26% of taxes.

The top 1/20th of 1% (1 million or more) paid 10% of taxes. That comes to roughly 67,000 households paying about 707,000 each, in taxes.

Also, according to the IRS itself the top 1% of top-earning taxpayers pay more taxes than the bottom 90%.

As I said earlier, I'm not too far away from that cap. Why should those that actually work hard and make money be forced to take care of those that pay far less taxes than they do?

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i think obama is the man for usa
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top 5 percent pay over 40 percent of taxs

DivergeUnify

Of federal income tax, not of Social Security taxes (or even madicare). Limbaugh is picking a choosing his data.

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The only reason he denounced his pastor was because of the bad publicity Wright was getting--nothing more.

It was a decision of politics, not of differing views, even if Obama doesn't think the same way as the man.

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top 5 percent pay over 50 percent of taxes

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:o progressive taxation! What are you, communist?!

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[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="ThaSod"][QUOTE="Canvas_Of_Flesh"]

Regardless, you still didn't answer my main question. How do you consider it "lucky" that only the ones that earn their comfortable living would be stuck footing the bill? God forbid you spend thousands to go school so you can aquire a well paying job just to be screwed over and forced to support people who couldn't practice financial responsibility during their life. It's really not that hard to save money.

Insane00

I am saying it would be lucky for the 94% of Americans (including me and you) who make under the cap since they would not see any increase in taxes. Right now, that top 6% does not pay very much social security tax, a much lower percentage than those earning less. If the cap was eliminated, they would be paying their fair share of something that is a tax, not a savings program.

top 5 percent pay over 50 percent of taxes

Good, after all, why does anyone really need billions of dollars.

But I guarantee you that the single mother needs every dime the 20-30 grand she takes home.

Why is she having kids she can't afford? Forget personal responsibility. Let's rely on people who actually make something of themselves to take care of us. That's disgusting.

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Having just listened to the man's speach, I decided to provide one man's opinion on the subject matter.

Full transcript of the speach here.

Senator Obama's speach proved without shadow of a doubt that he clearly has no problem being involved with a hateful anti-american. The fact that he denounces the comments of his "pastor" but doesn't condemn and firmly distance himself from the anti-american trash spewed forth from this false prophet shows me without question that he at least in part condones the behavior of "Rev." Wright. Obama had the arrogance to make the issue primarily about race, rather then discuss the matter at hand like an adult. While it's no secret that Barack Hussein Obama is at the very least partially racist himself (Pg. 273 in his book "Dreams of my Fater" proves this), he misused the opportunity to condemn the words of a radical dispenser of hate-speach and instead merely decided to comment on racism as the majority issue.

Barack Obama fully showed the incompetance of the modern American politician today. Rather then answer tough questions in a straightforward and honest matter, he skewed the arguement to try to deceive foolhearty Americans. You didn't fool me Barack. I see your true colors. And there are millions more like me. :)

Insane00

I really feel sorry for you.

The sad truth is that the general tone and feeling of Mr. Obama's former minister is absolutely accurate. The fact is that in this country, due to the themes of the past that to this day continue, black men and women do not have the opportunity of a white man or woman. Women may have to fight the glass ceiling, but a black man born in the getto is less likely to get our than a woman is to become a doctor or any other profession that 50 years ago no one would have considered a woman for. Look at all the high ranking female scientists, politicians, business people, etc. vs. the fact that it took 2000 for a Muslim to be elected to Congress.

I went to Virginia once, I remember that all our tour guides, our bus drivers, generally everyone we met that had a decent job was a white person. Then I went into a sloppy diner near Williamsburg and guess what, every piss on employee in that place was black, except the white manager. I saw racism, and that was in 1997. Racism lives strong in this country, to this day, and if you don't see it, your living with your eyes closed. Why should we all condemn a minister for telling the truth. Our racism agains muslims, blacks, asians, native americans, etc. has caused a great deal of anger, both internationally and domestically, it is reality, to deny it is obliviousness.

But Obama didn't shove that in our faces, he didn't blame us. He pointed out that there are steps that can be made, in every community, in every aspect of our society that will continue to build this nation and fix the wounds of our past. For crying out loud he quoted Faulkner, who if you read had blatantly racist themes all throughout his works. He pointed out racism from all sides and he showed the unfairness in blond haired, blue eyed white guys like me feeling like we are in some way responsible for our ancestors (Oh, by the way, my great grandma who lived until about 1965 thought that being black was the mark of Cain). He talked to all of us as no politician since MLK and the Kennedy's (Jack and Bobby) has spoken to us.

For once America, open you ears, really listen to the words, they are amazing. All my life I have listened to BS from politicians and I have never in my life heard one speak to us like he does (that includes both Clinton and 'teh great communicator' Reagan). But perhaps if the real risk to Obama is realized you will see the truth in his former ministers statements. Fact is, if Obama wins the presidency and isn't assassinated, or at least shot at, it will be a miracle. That is the real state of racism in this nation.

Obama= superb speaker(no-one can deny that) and yes there is rascism in this country, but there is also sexism...

Whenever a woman is a great bussiness person what do we say? "she slept her way to the top"

Most men think women are "oversensitive", "physically weak" "less intelligent in the Math and Scienses

When a woman takes control and becomes assertive... she is called a (insert acronym for female dog here)

And women are paid less in jobs that men hold as well(even though they do the same am't of work/quality)

Now I'm not saying there is rascism there is... because I can go to any restaurant and order my meal in spanish(I'm mexican) and there will be someone there, I'm not denying that in the "underdeveloped sections" of the city(not Ghetto's, those were for the Holocaust and all the horrible stuff) there is a predominantly black population. but the fact of the matter you are wrong, like rascism there is an astronomical am't of sexism in America, and more-so in the world stage.

Rascism and Sexism are problems in America, they both affect diffrent areas but are equally revolting.

But on the world stage, sexism is more apparent, and to have a woman leading the most powerful country in the world is ("un escalon arriba"), a great improvement.

Obama cheers to you, stick around for a few more years and I think you'll get the gist of how politics work.

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[QUOTE="ThaSod"][QUOTE="Canvas_Of_Flesh"]

Regardless, you still didn't answer my main question. How do you consider it "lucky" that only the ones that earn their comfortable living would be stuck footing the bill? God forbid you spend thousands to go school so you can aquire a well paying job just to be screwed over and forced to support people who couldn't practice financial responsibility during their life. It's really not that hard to save money.

Canvas_Of_Flesh

I am saying it would be lucky for the 94% of Americans (including me and you) who make under the cap since they would not see any increase in taxes. Right now, that top 6% does not pay very much social security tax, a much lower percentage than those earning less. If the cap was eliminated, they would be paying their fair share of something that is a tax, not a savings program.

Ridiculous. Those who make $75,000 or more a year pay 51% of the country's income tax. Here's the breakdown of those numbers:

The top 3% of income tax filers, those making 100,000, paid 40% of the taxes.

The top 4/5ths of 1% (200,000 or more) paid 26% of taxes.

The top 1/20th of 1% (1 million or more) paid 10% of taxes. That comes to roughly 67,000 households paying about 707,000 each, in taxes.

Also, according to the IRS itself the top 1% of top-earning taxpayers pay more taxes than the bottom 90%.

As I said earlier, I'm not too far away from that cap. Why should those that actually work hard and make money be forced to take care of those that pay far less taxes than they do?

Look at how partiotic you are. Wow, you really don't get it do you? Taxes don't go to poor people, they go towards improving the country (and fighting a pointless war). "Oh no, I have to give a little bit of my cash that I was saving up for a new gas-guzzling car to help my country. Let the poor people who barely scrape by pay the taxes for me!" Thats the type of talk that makes me sick of capitalism and the eternal goal of being rich: people are blinded by greed.

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[QUOTE="ThaSod"][QUOTE="Canvas_Of_Flesh"]

Regardless, you still didn't answer my main question. How do you consider it "lucky" that only the ones that earn their comfortable living would be stuck footing the bill? God forbid you spend thousands to go school so you can aquire a well paying job just to be screwed over and forced to support people who couldn't practice financial responsibility during their life. It's really not that hard to save money.

Canvas_Of_Flesh

I am saying it would be lucky for the 94% of Americans (including me and you) who make under the cap since they would not see any increase in taxes. Right now, that top 6% does not pay very much social security tax, a much lower percentage than those earning less. If the cap was eliminated, they would be paying their fair share of something that is a tax, not a savings program.

Ridiculous. Those who make $75,000 or more a year pay 51% of the country's income tax. Here's the breakdown of those numbers:

The top 3% of income tax filers, those making 100,000, paid 40% of the taxes.

The top 4/5ths of 1% (200,000 or more) paid 26% of taxes.

The top 1/20th of 1% (1 million or more) paid 10% of taxes. That comes to roughly 67,000 households paying about 707,000 each, in taxes.

Also, according to the IRS itself the top 1% of top-earning taxpayers pay more taxes than the bottom 90%.

As I said earlier, I'm not too far away from that cap. Why should those that actually work hard and make money be forced to take care of those that pay far less taxes than they do?

I agree
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#136 ThaSod
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[QUOTE="ThaSod"][QUOTE="Canvas_Of_Flesh"]

Regardless, you still didn't answer my main question. How do you consider it "lucky" that only the ones that earn their comfortable living would be stuck footing the bill? God forbid you spend thousands to go school so you can aquire a well paying job just to be screwed over and forced to support people who couldn't practice financial responsibility during their life. It's really not that hard to save money.

Canvas_Of_Flesh

I am saying it would be lucky for the 94% of Americans (including me and you) who make under the cap since they would not see any increase in taxes. Right now, that top 6% does not pay very much social security tax, a much lower percentage than those earning less. If the cap was eliminated, they would be paying their fair share of something that is a tax, not a savings program.

Ridiculous. Those who make $75,000 or more a year pay 51% of the country's income tax. Here's the breakdown of those numbers:

The top 3% of income tax filers, those making 100,000, paid 40% of the taxes.

The top 4/5ths of 1% (200,000 or more) paid 26% of taxes.

The top 1/20th of 1% (1 million or more) paid 10% of taxes. That comes to roughly 67,000 households paying about 707,000 each, in taxes.

Also, according to the IRS itself the top 1% of top-earning taxpayers pay more taxes than the bottom 90%.

As I said earlier, I'm not too far away from that cap. Why should those that actually work hard and make money be forced to take care of those that pay far less taxes than they do?

If you read what I wrote, I said Social Security taxes. So you are spouting information on the wrong topic.

Not to mention that, since you are under the cap anyway, your taxes would not be increased.

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Why is she having kids she can't afford? Forget personal responsibility. Let's rely on people who actually make something of themselves to take care of us. That's disgusting.

Canvas_Of_Flesh

Since her husband was killed in Iraq she needed to get a job to support her kids. and now you attack her for it?

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[QUOTE="Canvas_Of_Flesh"][QUOTE="ThaSod"][QUOTE="Canvas_Of_Flesh"]

Regardless, you still didn't answer my main question. How do you consider it "lucky" that only the ones that earn their comfortable living would be stuck footing the bill? God forbid you spend thousands to go school so you can aquire a well paying job just to be screwed over and forced to support people who couldn't practice financial responsibility during their life. It's really not that hard to save money.

smarb001

I am saying it would be lucky for the 94% of Americans (including me and you) who make under the cap since they would not see any increase in taxes. Right now, that top 6% does not pay very much social security tax, a much lower percentage than those earning less. If the cap was eliminated, they would be paying their fair share of something that is a tax, not a savings program.

Ridiculous. Those who make $75,000 or more a year pay 51% of the country's income tax. Here's the breakdown of those numbers:

The top 3% of income tax filers, those making 100,000, paid 40% of the taxes.

The top 4/5ths of 1% (200,000 or more) paid 26% of taxes.

The top 1/20th of 1% (1 million or more) paid 10% of taxes. That comes to roughly 67,000 households paying about 707,000 each, in taxes.

Also, according to the IRS itself the top 1% of top-earning taxpayers pay more taxes than the bottom 90%.

As I said earlier, I'm not too far away from that cap. Why should those that actually work hard and make money be forced to take care of those that pay far less taxes than they do?

Look at how partiotic you are. Wow, you really don't get it do you? Taxes don't go to poor people, they go towards improving the country (and fighting a pointless war). "Oh no, I have to give a little bit of my cash that I was saving up for a new gas-guzzling car to help my country. Let the poor people who barely scrape by pay the taxes for me!" Thats the type of talk that makes me sick of capitalism and the eternal goal of being rich: people are blinded by greed.

... but the rich are the ones who pay the taxes! **** should the top 1 percent be paying for the other 99% of the people? Our nation is about freedom. A person who works hard and is skilled at a certain job gets paid well. OMG NOT FAIR, what about the poor mom who ****ed when she was 15 and had her first kid? I wonder why she's in that situation
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I really feel sorry for you.

The sad truth is that the general tone and feeling of Mr. Obama's former minister is absolutely accurate. The fact is that in this country, due to the themes of the past that to this day continue, black men and women do not have the opportunity of a white man or woman. Women may have to fight the glass ceiling, but a black man born in the getto is less likely to get our than a woman is to become a doctor or any other profession that 50 years ago no one would have considered a woman for. Look at all the high ranking female scientists, politicians, business people, etc. vs. the fact that it took 2000 for a Muslim to be elected to Congress.

Yeah, black people are treated horribly here. I mean, just look! None of them are being allowed to run for president!

Wait. . . .

Well, they are still not allowed in any major league sport.

Wait. . . .

Well, they certainly aren't allowed an education, or wellfare, or anything those evil white people are allowed!

Wait. . .

For once America, open you ears, really listen to the words, they are amazing. All my life I have listened to BS from politicians and I have never in my life heard one speak to us like he does (that includes both Clinton and 'teh great communicator' Reagan).

I agree. He's probably the best public speaker I have ever heard. That's precisely the problem. He knows exactly what to say, how to say it, and to whom he should say it, and he can answer a myriad of questions without giving a damn answer. He can make any person look at him and smile, and you know who else had this rare gift?

Adolf Hitler

Obama has a pretty message of hope and change, but it is nothing more than a bunch of sweet words directed toward people who don't look past words.

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Why couldn't we have candidate's who's main issue is the enviroment & education..... oh that was Bill Richardson(one of the few candidates(if not the only one) that spoke another language fluently)...

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[QUOTE="Canvas_Of_Flesh"][QUOTE="ThaSod"][QUOTE="Canvas_Of_Flesh"]

Regardless, you still didn't answer my main question. How do you consider it "lucky" that only the ones that earn their comfortable living would be stuck footing the bill? God forbid you spend thousands to go school so you can aquire a well paying job just to be screwed over and forced to support people who couldn't practice financial responsibility during their life. It's really not that hard to save money.

smarb001

I am saying it would be lucky for the 94% of Americans (including me and you) who make under the cap since they would not see any increase in taxes. Right now, that top 6% does not pay very much social security tax, a much lower percentage than those earning less. If the cap was eliminated, they would be paying their fair share of something that is a tax, not a savings program.

Ridiculous. Those who make $75,000 or more a year pay 51% of the country's income tax. Here's the breakdown of those numbers:

The top 3% of income tax filers, those making 100,000, paid 40% of the taxes.

The top 4/5ths of 1% (200,000 or more) paid 26% of taxes.

The top 1/20th of 1% (1 million or more) paid 10% of taxes. That comes to roughly 67,000 households paying about 707,000 each, in taxes.

Also, according to the IRS itself the top 1% of top-earning taxpayers pay more taxes than the bottom 90%.

As I said earlier, I'm not too far away from that cap. Why should those that actually work hard and make money be forced to take care of those that pay far less taxes than they do?

Look at how partiotic you are. Wow, you really don't get it do you? Taxes don't go to poor people, they go towards improving the country (and fighting a pointless war). "Oh no, I have to give a little bit of my cash that I was saving up for a new gas-guzzling car to help my country. Let the poor people who barely scrape by pay the taxes for me!" Thats the type of talk that makes me sick of capitalism and the eternal goal of being rich: people are blinded by greed.

Ummmmm...you work for money right? You work so you can have nice things? That isn't capitalism? Why should I feel sorry for poor people when they can always get a better job? This really is the land of opportunity. If you hate greed then why aren't you giving all your money to poor people? Hypocrite much? If you don't want to have to work and earn your money then go live with your parents, but don't expect people that get off their butts and make a living to support you. Why does it matter if someone drives a gas-guzzling car? It's their money! If you're so gung-ho about giving all kinds of "cash" to your country to make it better then why are you on a computer? Have video game systems? Have any luxuries? Talk about greed. You're ridiculous and with that I must shun you because you make absolutely no sense.

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[QUOTE="smarb001"][QUOTE="Canvas_Of_Flesh"][QUOTE="ThaSod"][QUOTE="Canvas_Of_Flesh"]

Regardless, you still didn't answer my main question. How do you consider it "lucky" that only the ones that earn their comfortable living would be stuck footing the bill? God forbid you spend thousands to go school so you can aquire a well paying job just to be screwed over and forced to support people who couldn't practice financial responsibility during their life. It's really not that hard to save money.

DivergeUnify

I am saying it would be lucky for the 94% of Americans (including me and you) who make under the cap since they would not see any increase in taxes. Right now, that top 6% does not pay very much social security tax, a much lower percentage than those earning less. If the cap was eliminated, they would be paying their fair share of something that is a tax, not a savings program.

Ridiculous. Those who make $75,000 or more a year pay 51% of the country's income tax. Here's the breakdown of those numbers:

The top 3% of income tax filers, those making 100,000, paid 40% of the taxes.

The top 4/5ths of 1% (200,000 or more) paid 26% of taxes.

The top 1/20th of 1% (1 million or more) paid 10% of taxes. That comes to roughly 67,000 households paying about 707,000 each, in taxes.

Also, according to the IRS itself the top 1% of top-earning taxpayers pay more taxes than the bottom 90%.

As I said earlier, I'm not too far away from that cap. Why should those that actually work hard and make money be forced to take care of those that pay far less taxes than they do?

Look at how partiotic you are. Wow, you really don't get it do you? Taxes don't go to poor people, they go towards improving the country (and fighting a pointless war). "Oh no, I have to give a little bit of my cash that I was saving up for a new gas-guzzling car to help my country. Let the poor people who barely scrape by pay the taxes for me!" Thats the type of talk that makes me sick of capitalism and the eternal goal of being rich: people are blinded by greed.

... but the rich are the ones who pay the taxes! **** should the top 1 percent be paying for the other 99% of the people? Our nation is about freedom. A person who works hard and is skilled at a certain job gets paid well. OMG NOT FAIR, what about the poor mom who ****ed when she was 15 and had her first kid? I wonder why she's in that situation

what about the rape victims..... who respected human life enough to have the baby & nurture it

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#143 Canvas_Of_Flesh
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[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="smarb001"][QUOTE="Canvas_Of_Flesh"][QUOTE="ThaSod"][QUOTE="Canvas_Of_Flesh"]

Regardless, you still didn't answer my main question. How do you consider it "lucky" that only the ones that earn their comfortable living would be stuck footing the bill? God forbid you spend thousands to go school so you can aquire a well paying job just to be screwed over and forced to support people who couldn't practice financial responsibility during their life. It's really not that hard to save money.

pabs013

I am saying it would be lucky for the 94% of Americans (including me and you) who make under the cap since they would not see any increase in taxes. Right now, that top 6% does not pay very much social security tax, a much lower percentage than those earning less. If the cap was eliminated, they would be paying their fair share of something that is a tax, not a savings program.

Ridiculous. Those who make $75,000 or more a year pay 51% of the country's income tax. Here's the breakdown of those numbers:

The top 3% of income tax filers, those making 100,000, paid 40% of the taxes.

The top 4/5ths of 1% (200,000 or more) paid 26% of taxes.

The top 1/20th of 1% (1 million or more) paid 10% of taxes. That comes to roughly 67,000 households paying about 707,000 each, in taxes.

Also, according to the IRS itself the top 1% of top-earning taxpayers pay more taxes than the bottom 90%.

As I said earlier, I'm not too far away from that cap. Why should those that actually work hard and make money be forced to take care of those that pay far less taxes than they do?

Look at how partiotic you are. Wow, you really don't get it do you? Taxes don't go to poor people, they go towards improving the country (and fighting a pointless war). "Oh no, I have to give a little bit of my cash that I was saving up for a new gas-guzzling car to help my country. Let the poor people who barely scrape by pay the taxes for me!" Thats the type of talk that makes me sick of capitalism and the eternal goal of being rich: people are blinded by greed.

... but the rich are the ones who pay the taxes! **** should the top 1 percent be paying for the other 99% of the people? Our nation is about freedom. A person who works hard and is skilled at a certain job gets paid well. OMG NOT FAIR, what about the poor mom who ****ed when she was 15 and had her first kid? I wonder why she's in that situation

what about the rape victims..... who respected human life enough to have the baby & nurture it

They can't get a job?

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I agree. He's probably the best public speaker I have ever heard. That's precisely the problem. He knows exactly what to say, how to say it, and to whom he should say it, and he can answer a myriad of questions without giving a damn answer. He can make any person look at him and smile, and you know who else had this rare gift?

Adolf Hitler

Obama has a pretty message of hope and change, but it is nothing more than a bunch of sweet words directed toward people who don't look past words.

Dracargen

Please think long and hard before you compare someone to Adolf Hitler In general, when you begin using Adolf Hitler to prove your argument, it means you have already lost.

Adolf Hitler used fear and anger to rouse the populace. This is exactly the opposite of Obama's message.

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[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="smarb001"][QUOTE="Canvas_Of_Flesh"][QUOTE="ThaSod"][QUOTE="Canvas_Of_Flesh"]

Regardless, you still didn't answer my main question. How do you consider it "lucky" that only the ones that earn their comfortable living would be stuck footing the bill? God forbid you spend thousands to go school so you can aquire a well paying job just to be screwed over and forced to support people who couldn't practice financial responsibility during their life. It's really not that hard to save money.

pabs013

I am saying it would be lucky for the 94% of Americans (including me and you) who make under the cap since they would not see any increase in taxes. Right now, that top 6% does not pay very much social security tax, a much lower percentage than those earning less. If the cap was eliminated, they would be paying their fair share of something that is a tax, not a savings program.

Ridiculous. Those who make $75,000 or more a year pay 51% of the country's income tax. Here's the breakdown of those numbers:

The top 3% of income tax filers, those making 100,000, paid 40% of the taxes.

The top 4/5ths of 1% (200,000 or more) paid 26% of taxes.

The top 1/20th of 1% (1 million or more) paid 10% of taxes. That comes to roughly 67,000 households paying about 707,000 each, in taxes.

Also, according to the IRS itself the top 1% of top-earning taxpayers pay more taxes than the bottom 90%.

As I said earlier, I'm not too far away from that cap. Why should those that actually work hard and make money be forced to take care of those that pay far less taxes than they do?

Look at how partiotic you are. Wow, you really don't get it do you? Taxes don't go to poor people, they go towards improving the country (and fighting a pointless war). "Oh no, I have to give a little bit of my cash that I was saving up for a new gas-guzzling car to help my country. Let the poor people who barely scrape by pay the taxes for me!" Thats the type of talk that makes me sick of capitalism and the eternal goal of being rich: people are blinded by greed.

... but the rich are the ones who pay the taxes! **** should the top 1 percent be paying for the other 99% of the people? Our nation is about freedom. A person who works hard and is skilled at a certain job gets paid well. OMG NOT FAIR, what about the poor mom who ****ed when she was 15 and had her first kid? I wonder why she's in that situation

what about the rape victims..... who respected human life enough to have the baby & nurture it

since it's a fifteen year old I assume she has parents. How about we stop trying to be independent and realize we have family, which can help- I believe they would do a better job than the government.
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[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

I agree. He's probably the best public speaker I have ever heard. That's precisely the problem. He knows exactly what to say, how to say it, and to whom he should say it, and he can answer a myriad of questions without giving a damn answer. He can make any person look at him and smile, and you know who else had this rare gift?

Adolf Hitler

Obama has a pretty message of hope and change, but it is nothing more than a bunch of sweet words directed toward people who don't look past words.

ThaSod

Please think long and hard before you compare someone to Adolf Hitler In general, when you begin using Adolf Hitler to prove your argument, it means you have already lost.

Adolf Hitler used fear and anger to rouse the populace. This is exactly the opposite of Obama's message.

Comparing him to Benito Mussolini would be more accurate.
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#147 Mr_sprinkles
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They can't get a job?

Canvas_Of_Flesh
You're heading for a recession, so probably not.
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#148 pabs013
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[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

I agree. He's probably the best public speaker I have ever heard. That's precisely the problem. He knows exactly what to say, how to say it, and to whom he should say it, and he can answer a myriad of questions without giving a damn answer. He can make any person look at him and smile, and you know who else had this rare gift?

Adolf Hitler

Obama has a pretty message of hope and change, but it is nothing more than a bunch of sweet words directed toward people who don't look past words.

ThaSod

Please think long and hard before you compare someone to Adolf Hitler In general, when you begin using Adolf Hitler to prove your argument, it means you have already lost.

Adolf Hitler used fear and anger to rouse the populace. This is exactly the opposite of Obama's message.

not in the beggining, at first he roused the populace with messages of better life, education, health and all other wordly things. I don't agree with Dracargen's analogy of comparing Obama to Hitler but you can't deny Hitler promised change and better things for the germans.

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#149 Dracargen
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[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

I agree. He's probably the best public speaker I have ever heard. That's precisely the problem. He knows exactly what to say, how to say it, and to whom he should say it, and he can answer a myriad of questions without giving a damn answer. He can make any person look at him and smile, and you know who else had this rare gift?

Adolf Hitler

Obama has a pretty message of hope and change, but it is nothing more than a bunch of sweet words directed toward people who don't look past words.

ThaSod

Please think long and hard before you compare someone to Adolf Hitler In general, when you begin using Adolf Hitler to prove your argument, it means you have already lost.

Adolf Hitler used fear and anger to rouse the populace. This is exactly the opposite of Obama's message.

Hitler used peace and hope and change (:o) along with fear and anger. And you missed the point entirely; I said that Obama sounds nice, but so did Hitler Just because he's a good speaker is no reason to vote for him.

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[QUOTE="peaceful_anger"]A better argument to use against Obama is his lack of judgement IMO. I mean Obama keeps saying he has good judgment, but seeing the people he's friends with and has associated with, does he really? Now I'm not saying he is a Muslim or not a Christian, but between his friendships with his pastor/spiritual advisor, Jeremiah Wright, who is a complete racist, Rezko, a slum landlord owner, William Ayers, a terrorist, Louis Farrakhan, also a racist, you eventually have to step back and at least question his judgement. He has surrounded himself with some people of questionable values. This you cannot deny.

Now the biggest thing that brings his character into judgement is the fact that he has willingly been listening to his pastor's messages of racism for who knows how long. Jeremiah Wright isn't even preaching Christian values. He is preaching politics and racism. I know Obama didn't make these racist and unpatriotic comments and even denounced them, but the fact stills stands that he attended the church for 20 years and still goes there which says a lot IMO. And Obama has talked about his faith and church while campaigning, even bringing up his book "The Audacity of Hope" for which his pastor was the inspiration for, so I consider talking about his connections with his pastor fair game. You can't bring up your faith when it is convenient for you and tell us to overlook it when its not. You can't have it both ways. I'm white and have some close black friends where I work, and if my preacher uttered even a hint of racism, I would never again step foot into that church. Obama didn't do that. He continued to go there which makes me wonder if he was nodding his head to those sermons saying preach it.

Another thing I find extemely hypocritical of Obama's supporters is that yall say why blame Obama for what his pastor says, yet yall blamed Hillary and called her every name in the book over what Geraldine Ferraro said. It is the same exact thing. Double standards FTL.

And I also find it odd that in this campaign, the charges were made by the liberal media that Romney may let his Morman faith and Huckabee may let his Southern Baptist faith be their guide to running this country, yet they don't even utter a word about Obama and his church's message of hate. So instead of just bashing Fox News, why don't yall bash your liberal media as well.

And truthfully, I consider Obama weak because he can't take punches. Anytime someone says anything remotely negative about him, his supporters or the media run to his aid, or they bash the people that just have doubts about him and automatically label them as racists. Heck, just look at this thread. It's funny how people that are against such ignorance can themselves display it.

I mean we are about to elect him as President, and we know nothing about him. We know what there is to know about Hillary and McCain but not Obama, yet yall want to elect him as President with no questions asked. To me that seems worse than Hillary not reading the National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq. Yes, the man has ideas and views on how to do things, but they are extremely vague. He gives you a starting point, and what he wants the end result to be, but the problem is that he doesn't elaborate on how he is going to get from point A to point B. On top of his vague policies, the man doesn't have a lick of foreign policy experience, and has beat out John Kerry and Ted Kennedy as the most liberal person in the Senate. But of course in this day and age experience means absolutely nothing and charisma means everything. Heck I should run for President.

pabs013

I beg the contrary on most of your statements. I have read every idea that Obama has on his website as well as Hillary's and they are nearly identical. I personally prefer the detail and the way that Obama has them written than Hillary's. Either way though, the arguement that he plans and and views are vague is BS and always has been. His plan is easily as detailed as Hillary's (which I have also read) and even Edwards (again, I read those, go check them out and compare).

You condemn all these folks around Obama, what about Cheney and Enron, what about the fact that Bush did coke and everyone ignored it, what about the fact that he basically walked out on his term of service for our country and yet we elected him to office twice. You accuse Obama's friend of being a terrorist, something only you, in all this country of scared to death sheep looking over their shoulder for the next bomb, realize and no one else cares about. You accuse a minister who points out the continual racism in this nation as a worthless human being. Perhaps not every comment was justified, but his overall tone and message certainly is.

And, Obama brought to the forefront this issue with Ferraro, and dismissed it as unimportant to the campaign (and I could care less what she said). Meanwhile the fact that who would be the first man (who if we listen to Hillary's experience accounts would get to have influence in the white house) accused Obama's campaign of being unimportant if he one SC because he appeals only to the black vote (a racist comment in itself) is basically blown off and ignored by Hillary.

Oh, and Romney's 'Church' wouldn't even allow black people to join until the federal government forced them to. Are you aware that a black Mormon is not allowed to be an elder.

Can't take punches, what, so the fact that he isn't flinging rampant amounts of dirt or trying to nail himself to the cross he built for himself makes him weak. No, I disagree, and I feel this speech, the best I have heard from him so far was addressing the punch and dealing with it more articulately than anyone has ever dealt with such dirty politics in years. He didn't attack anyone, he didn't get angry, he tried to give the american people hope, to inspire, to give us a reason to believe in our own country. And that is what this county needs. The US has one of the lowest if not the lowest voter turnout of any democracy on the planet, Obama has the words that can bring the uncaring to the polls.

You say we don't know anything about him? When has that stopped anyone. For how many years have people in this county voted along party lines? Are you aware that before he ran for congress Lincoln only had one term in congress? That's only two years for goodness sake, and look what kind of president he turned out to be. But no, Obama has 2, TWO, books out, already people can go to their local book store and get a better idea of the man than anyone ever had of Bush before he ran.

There, that's my two cents on you opinion. I dare say it won't change your mind, but I can't help but say something.