Obama's Speach: what a liar

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="rinkegekido2110"]

That's not what he said at all. The basic premise of that part was that some people are racist, and that their conceptions aren't totally invalid. He then goes on to say that we should work together to overcome the roots of the problem, rather than just sweeping it under a rug. Did you hear the entire speech?

Dracargen

He went to a racist church for 20 years. Now that he wants votes he's doing PR control. Spin how you like....I don't believe him.

The reverend was so angry, it makes it seem like we enslaved entire generations of their ancestors :roll:

Me: "Mom, do we have slaves?"

Mom: "No, white people haven't had slaves for over a hundred years and our family never had slaves since we came from Poland."

I gotta go with Mom here, bro.:|

We didn't do anything. Our great-great-grandparents may have done something, but WE didn't.

Did you witness the civil rights movement firsthand? The injustice did not end right after the civil war.

There are too many politics threads on GameSpot. nintendorocks

There will be even more, as the year plods on.

Have you ever disagreed with your friends? That's what I'm asking.

rinkegekido2110

That is not the same as racism. I find justification for racism as heinous as racism itself.

Someone who's moral compass is that far off from mine would not be my friend....especially wouldn't be my spiritual advisor. Seriously, why does this guy get a free pass? Racist pastor and anti American wife and everyone thinks he's wonderful. He's made no concrete platforms that can be realistic in the least...yet yell change and the train is filled.

[QUOTE="FragStains"][QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="rinkegekido2110"]

That's not what he said at all. The basic premise of that part was that some people are racist, and that their conceptions aren't totally invalid. He then goes on to say that we should work together to overcome the roots of the problem, rather than just sweeping it under a rug. Did you hear the entire speech?

Engrish_Major

He went to a racist church for 20 years. Now that he wants votes he's doing PR control. Spin how you like....I don't believe him.

Translation: I'm too lazy to make a specific argument.

In short, you were correct. I am lazy.

[QUOTE="rinkegekido2110"]

Have you ever disagreed with your friends? That's what I'm asking.

LJS9502_basic

That is not the same as racism. I find justification for racism as heinous as racism itself.

Someone who's moral compass is that far off from mine would not be my friend....especially wouldn't be my spiritual advisor. Seriously, why does this guy get a free pass? Racist pastor and anti American wife and everyone thinks he's wonderful. He's made no concrete platforms that can be realistic in the least...yet yell change and the train is filled.

Did you witness the civil rights movement firsthand? The injustice did not end right after the civil war.

Engrish_Major

Uh, no, it just ended half a century before I was born. Therefore, I'm indirectly responsible.:roll:

People like you who blame entire races for the actions of SOME of their ancestors make me sick.

[QUOTE="its_me_"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="rinkegekido2110"]

That's not what he said at all. The basic premise of that part was that some people are racist, and that their conceptions aren't totally invalid. He then goes on to say that we should work together to overcome the roots of the problem, rather than just sweeping it under a rug. Did you hear the entire speech?

rinkegekido2110

He went to a racist church for 20 years. Now that he wants votes he's doing PR control. Spin how you like....I don't believe him.

Seriously...20 years. That's a long time. You just don't go to a church for 20 years and remain "unaware" of what the pastor is saying.

Are you saying that you can't associate with a person in any way unless you agree totally with everything they say? And if you ever disagree, you have to immediately and publicly denounce them?

No. Obama called this man a "mentor" and a "spiritual guide." Have you listened to the guy preach? He slams "rich white people" and "light people" and "whites" over and over again in his sermons. He rants about how Jesus was black and was crucified by white people, and says Obama is like Jesus because he's "disliked by white people." He says 9/11 is the fault of the United States and its "rich, white leaders" (nevermind the radicals who FLEW PLANES INTO OUR BUILDINGS). I don't want a president who thinks somebody spouting that kind of rhetoric is a worthy "mentor." It's disturbing.

[QUOTE="killtactics"]Thats the thing, i DID listen to the speeches and found nothing racist.... which is why i am asking you to point it out.... Dracargen

"White America" and "The Great White West" and "HIV/AIDS was created by the white government to persecute black people" don't sound at all racist to you?:roll:

Slavery affects us every single day of our life.....
killtactics

Slavery has been gone for a long time dude.....

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="rinkegekido2110"]

Have you ever disagreed with your friends? That's what I'm asking.

Jandurin

That is not the same as racism. I find justification for racism as heinous as racism itself.

Someone who's moral compass is that far off from mine would not be my friend....especially wouldn't be my spiritual advisor. Seriously, why does this guy get a free pass? Racist pastor and anti American wife and everyone thinks he's wonderful. He's made no concrete platforms that can be realistic in the least...yet yell change and the train is filled.

You know when you're friends with someone....particularly for that long of a time...you learn their feelings on subject. Race would be one. Obviously, until the possibility of affecting his votes came along....this mentor of his and his racist thoughts didn't bother Obama in the least. Hmmm.....birds of a feather.;)

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

Did you witness the civil rights movement firsthand? The injustice did not end right after the civil war.

Dracargen

Uh, no, it just ended half a century before I was born. Therefore, I'm indirectly responsible.:roll:

People like you who blame entire races for the actions of SOME of their ancestors make me sick.

Go tell some black people the injustice ended half a century ago.

[QUOTE="rinkegekido2110"]

Have you ever disagreed with your friends? That's what I'm asking.

LJS9502_basic

That is not the same as racism. I find justification for racism as heinous as racism itself.

Someone who's moral compass is that far off from mine would not be my friend....especially wouldn't be my spiritual advisor. Seriously, why does this guy get a free pass? Racist pastor and anti American wife and everyone thinks he's wonderful. He's made no concrete platforms that can be realistic in the least...yet yell change and the train is filled.

You know when you're friends with someone....particularly for that long of a time...you learn their feelings on subject. Race would be one. Obviously, until the possibility of affecting his votes came along....this mentor of his and his racist thoughts didn't bother Obama in the least. Hmmm.....birds of a feather.;)LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="killtactics"]Thats the thing, i DID listen to the speeches and found nothing racist.... which is why i am asking you to point it out.... killtactics

"White America" and "The Great White West" and "HIV/AIDS was created by the white government to persecute black people" don't sound at all racist to you?:roll:

Yes, America is white. How could I forget that simple fact?

Totally white.

White as this text.

Behold the star of Snow White 2.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="rinkegekido2110"]

Have you ever disagreed with your friends? That's what I'm asking.

killtactics

That is not the same as racism. I find justification for racism as heinous as racism itself.

Someone who's moral compass is that far off from mine would not be my friend....especially wouldn't be my spiritual advisor. Seriously, why does this guy get a free pass? Racist pastor and anti American wife and everyone thinks he's wonderful. He's made no concrete platforms that can be realistic in the least...yet yell change and the train is filled.

Where did I say I was talking about the media......connect the dots.:|

[QUOTE="killtactics"] Slavery affects us every single day of our life.....
LJS9502_basic

Slavery has been gone for a long time dude.....

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]You know when you're friends with someone....particularly for that long of a time...you learn their feelings on subject. Race would be one. Obviously, until the possibility of affecting his votes came along....this mentor of his and his racist thoughts didn't bother Obama in the least. Hmmm.....birds of a feather.;)Jandurin

His spiritual advisor dude...not the guy he had drinks with. :|

[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

Did you witness the civil rights movement firsthand? The injustice did not end right after the civil war.

Engrish_Major

Uh, no, it just ended half a century before I was born. Therefore, I'm indirectly responsible.:roll:

People like you who blame entire races for the actions of SOME of their ancestors make me sick.

Go tell some black people the injustice ended half a century ago.

I'll have black people say it for you! How's that?

Go tell some white people that they own slaves.

His spiritual advisor dude...not the guy he had drinks with. :|LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="killtactics"] Slavery affects us every single day of our life.....
killtactics

Slavery has been gone for a long time dude.....

If you want to go back in history.....most countries contributed to slavery at one point in time. The trick is to move past it. Otherwise, you get nowhere.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

Did you witness the civil rights movement firsthand? The injustice did not end right after the civil war.

Dracargen

Uh, no, it just ended half a century before I was born. Therefore, I'm indirectly responsible.:roll:

People like you who blame entire races for the actions of SOME of their ancestors make me sick.

Fair enough. That's not what Obama is saying, though.

[QUOTE="rinkegekido2110"]

Have you ever disagreed with your friends? That's what I'm asking.

LJS9502_basic

That is not the same as racism. I find justification for racism as heinous as racism itself.

Someone who's moral compass is that far off from mine would not be my friend....especially wouldn't be my spiritual advisor. Seriously, why does this guy get a free pass? Racist pastor and anti American wife and everyone thinks he's wonderful. He's made no concrete platforms that can be realistic in the least...yet yell change and the train is filled.

Did you listen to Obama, or are you simply basing your judgement on his association with his pastor? It may not be right, but racism is real, especially to those who saw some of the worst of it. Pretending otherwise is not going to help anyone. BTW, how is his wife anti-american?

[QUOTE="rinkegekido2110"][QUOTE="its_me_"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="rinkegekido2110"]

That's not what he said at all. The basic premise of that part was that some people are racist, and that their conceptions aren't totally invalid. He then goes on to say that we should work together to overcome the roots of the problem, rather than just sweeping it under a rug. Did you hear the entire speech?

its_me_

He went to a racist church for 20 years. Now that he wants votes he's doing PR control. Spin how you like....I don't believe him.

Seriously...20 years. That's a long time. You just don't go to a church for 20 years and remain "unaware" of what the pastor is saying.

Are you saying that you can't associate with a person in any way unless you agree totally with everything they say? And if you ever disagree, you have to immediately and publicly denounce them?

No. Obama called this man a "mentor" and a "spiritual guide." Have you listened to the guy preach? He slams "rich white people" and "light people" and "whites" over and over again in his sermons. He rants about how Jesus was black and was crucified by white people, and says Obama is like Jesus because he's "disliked by white people." He says 9/11 is the fault of the United States and its "rich, white leaders" (nevermind the radicals who FLEW PLANES INTO OUR BUILDINGS). I don't want a president who thinks somebody spouting that kind of rhetoric is a worthy "mentor." It's disturbing.

So because he's wrong on this issue, he's automatically wrong about everything? Do you know this man personally? Do you know what would cause him to hold these views? Do you know everything about your friends?

[QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="killtactics"]Thats the thing, i DID listen to the speeches and found nothing racist.... which is why i am asking you to point it out.... Dracargen

"White America" and "The Great White West" and "HIV/AIDS was created by the white government to persecute black people" don't sound at all racist to you?:roll:

Yes, America is white. How could I forget that simple fact?

Totally white.

White as this text.

Behold the star of Snow White 2.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] His spiritual advisor dude...not the guy he had drinks with. :|Jandurin

Whatever your point was....it wan't made.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] His spiritual advisor dude...not the guy he had drinks with. :|LJS9502_basic

Whatever your point was....it wan't made.

I mean, did he choose this guy for all life? Basically get married to this spiritual guy?

Did you listen to Obama, or are you simply basing your judgement on his association with his pastor? It may not be right, but racism is real, especially to those who saw some of the worst of it. Pretending otherwise is not going to help anyone. BTW, how is his wife anti-american?

[rinkegekido2110

Actions speak louder than words.....particularly when the purpose of the words is to get elected. Do you think he'd admit to that?:roll:

His wife didn't like America. She said that.

I said America is white, as in the majority is..... You would't say Germany is black b/c there are three black ppl there would you?killtactics

And I'm sure that when he was blaming white people for the spread of AIDS, he was talking about statistics, not races.:roll:

[QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="killtactics"] Slavery affects us every single day of our life.....
LJS9502_basic

Slavery has been gone for a long time dude.....

If you want to go back in history.....most countries contributed to slavery at one point in time. The trick is to move past it. Otherwise, you get nowhere.

Every one in America is affected by slavery every day.... America wouldn't be the country it is with out slavery....

It was a serious question, I don't know how these religious things work.

I mean, did he choose this guy for all life? Basically get married to this spiritual guy?

Jandurin

Twenty years so far....the man is his mentor....friend to the family...and in his children's lives. Guess what his children are learning.

[QUOTE="-Kleep-"]Why did you use his middle name huh? Oh, because you want to drive home the fact that he isn't white. Great way to build up your argument.MAILER_DAEMON

Never have I heard anyone refer to Obama's middle name. I havent even heard anyone refer to him as Barrack H. Obama.

So yes, I think its fairly logical to assume the poster is biased against him because he has an Arab middle name, and he knows that quite a few people would become biased against Obama if they knew that.

So its very reasonable to assume the poster intends to alter people's beliefs about Obama by using his middle name.

[QUOTE="killtactics"]I said America is white, as in the majority is..... You would't say Germany is black b/c there are three black ppl there would you?Dracargen

And I'm sure that when he was blaming white people for the spread of AIDS, he was talking about statistics, not races.:roll:

[QUOTE="Jandurin"] It was a serious question, I don't know how these religious things work.

I mean, did he choose this guy for all life? Basically get married to this spiritual guy?

LJS9502_basic

Twenty years so far....the man is his mentor....friend to the family...and in his children's lives. Guess what his children are learning.

I am so sick of this damn mudslinging.

This is why I dislike democrats as much as republicans sometimes.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Jandurin"] It was a serious question, I don't know how these religious things work.

I mean, did he choose this guy for all life? Basically get married to this spiritual guy?

Jandurin

Twenty years so far....the man is his mentor....friend to the family...and in his children's lives. Guess what his children are learning.

Pastor for 20 years...friend to the family. It's been reported. That is not an assumption.:roll:

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Jandurin"] It was a serious question, I don't know how these religious things work.

I mean, did he choose this guy for all life? Basically get married to this spiritual guy?

Jandurin

Twenty years so far....the man is his mentor....friend to the family...and in his children's lives. Guess what his children are learning.

Obama went to that church for twenty years, he married his wife under pastor Wright, he takes his children there every week.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"] It was a serious question, I don't know how these religious things work.

I mean, did he choose this guy for all life? Basically get married to this spiritual guy?

LJS9502_basic

Twenty years so far....the man is his mentor....friend to the family...and in his children's lives. Guess what his children are learning.

[QUOTE="rinkegekido2110"]

Did you listen to Obama, or are you simply basing your judgement on his association with his pastor? It may not be right, but racism is real, especially to those who saw some of the worst of it. Pretending otherwise is not going to help anyone. BTW, how is his wife anti-american?

[LJS9502_basic

Actions speak louder than words.....particularly when the purpose of the words is to get elected. Do you think he'd admit to that?:roll:

His wife didn't like America. She said that.

What actions? What indication, other than who he associates with, has Obama given that he is racist?

When did she say that? BTW, I don't like America all that much either. It's ok, but it has more than its fair share of problems.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"] It was a serious question, I don't know how these religious things work.

I mean, did he choose this guy for all life? Basically get married to this spiritual guy?

LJS9502_basic

Twenty years so far....the man is his mentor....friend to the family...and in his children's lives. Guess what his children are learning.

Yes, because Obama isn't teaching his own children, he's just dropping them off at chruch without a second thought. Where's your proof?

If Hillary Clinton or John Mccain were to blame "Black America" or "Latino America" for gang violence, they would be crucified for stereotyping (even though it woud be statistically accurate). Jeremiah Wright is stereotyping whites in the same manner, and it's not ok because he's black. It's just as racist, and it's just as wrong. Quit rationalizing.its_me_

Obama and I agree with you. It's wrong and we need to work at dispelling it once and all.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Jandurin"] It was a serious question, I don't know how these religious things work.

I mean, did he choose this guy for all life? Basically get married to this spiritual guy?

rinkegekido2110

Twenty years so far....the man is his mentor....friend to the family...and in his children's lives. Guess what his children are learning.

[QUOTE="rinkegekido2110"]

Did you listen to Obama, or are you simply basing your judgement on his association with his pastor? It may not be right, but racism is real, especially to those who saw some of the worst of it. Pretending otherwise is not going to help anyone. BTW, how is his wife anti-american?

[LJS9502_basic

Actions speak louder than words.....particularly when the purpose of the words is to get elected. Do you think he'd admit to that?:roll:

His wife didn't like America. She said that.

What actions? What indication, other than who he associates with, has Obama given that he is racist?

When did she say that? BTW, I don't like America all that much either. It's ok, but it has more than its fair share of problems.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"] It was a serious question, I don't know how these religious things work.

I mean, did he choose this guy for all life? Basically get married to this spiritual guy?

LJS9502_basic

Twenty years so far....the man is his mentor....friend to the family...and in his children's lives. Guess what his children are learning.

Yes, because Obama isn't teaching his own children, he's just dropping them off at chruch without a second thought. Where's your proof?

When you pick a church...it's because you agree with the teachings. Period. Spin...spin...spin. But you can't change facts.

Well, I couldn't find the speech in question, but I found a Fox interview with Jeremaiah Wright. He seemed like a nice enough guy to me.

[QUOTE="its_me_"]If Hillary Clinton or John Mccain were to blame "Black America" or "Latino America" for gang violence, they would be crucified for stereotyping (even though it woud be statistically accurate). Jeremiah Wright is stereotyping whites in the same manner, and it's not ok because he's black. It's just as racist, and it's just as wrong. Quit rationalizing.rinkegekido2110

Obama and I agree with you. It's wrong and we need to work at dispelling it once and all.

You can't speak for Obama...and in light of his choice of mentor...I'd wager he would only agree in public.;)

When you pick a church...it's because you agree with the teachings. Period. Spin...spin...spin. But you can't change facts.

LJS9502_basic

That's rather absolutist of you. So you can't go to a church unless you agree 100% with the pastor?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

When you pick a church...it's because you agree with the teachings. Period. Spin...spin...spin. But you can't change facts.

rinkegekido2110

That's rather absolutist of you. So you can't go to a church unless you agree 100% with the pastor?

If you don't agree...you don't go. And the dude was more to Obama than a mere pastor. Do you know what mentor means? Why can't you admit that at the least he has extremely poor judgment and at most is a bit racist himself?

[QUOTE="rinkegekido2110"]

[QUOTE="its_me_"]If Hillary Clinton or John Mccain were to blame "Black America" or "Latino America" for gang violence, they would be crucified for stereotyping (even though it woud be statistically accurate). Jeremiah Wright is stereotyping whites in the same manner, and it's not ok because he's black. It's just as racist, and it's just as wrong. Quit rationalizing.LJS9502_basic

Obama and I agree with you. It's wrong and we need to work at dispelling it once and all.

You can't speak for Obama...and in light of his choice of mentor...I'd wager he would only agree in public.;)

I'm just going by what's there. I haven't seen anything to disprove it, and some that agrees with my statement.

I'm just going by what's there. I haven't seen anything to disprove it, and some that agrees with my statement.

rinkegekido2110

You have to look beyond the surface....consider the facts...and apply logic.

[QUOTE="rinkegekido2110"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

When you pick a church...it's because you agree with the teachings. Period. Spin...spin...spin. But you can't change facts.

LJS9502_basic

That's rather absolutist of you. So you can't go to a church unless you agree 100% with the pastor?

If you don't agree...you don't go. And the dude was more to Obama than a mere pastor. Do you know what mentor means?

You shouldn't throw out the baby with the bath water. Just because Mr. Wright is wrong in his beliefs on race, doesn't mean he should be totally disregarded. It's like how someone can accept evolution even though Darwin was racist, as many were at the time. Being wrong some of the time doesn't prevent you from being right some of the time.

[QUOTE="rinkegekido2110"]

I'm just going by what's there. I haven't seen anything to disprove it, and some that agrees with my statement.

LJS9502_basic

You have to look beyond the surface....consider the facts...and apply logic.

What facts?

You shouldn't throw out the baby with the bath water. Just because Mr. Wright is wrong in his beliefs on race, doesn't mean he should be totally disregarded. It's like how someone can accept evolution even though Darwin was racist, as many were at the time. Being wrong some of the time doesn't prevent you from being right some of the time.

rinkegekido2110

ANYONE in a position as a spokesman for a church that is racist should most definitely be discredited.

What facts?

rinkegekido2110

The facts you are ignoring. Instead of a step forward...Obama will be a step backward.

Now I'm bored with this topic. You won't change my mind.....I formed my opinion on Obama based on his words and his actions.

ANYONE in a position as a spokesman for a church that is racist should most definitely be discredited. LJS9502_basic