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#151 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] There's the problem, you showed me a picture of "The Holy Napkin" therefore it is a material object, the napkin is neither supernatural or omnipotent.

No, the napkin is the scripture. The napkin god is invisible and omnipotent. The napkin merely proves his existence by saying he exists. ;)

If it's a Napkin God, and you're using a Napkin as the scripture, doesn't that mean we can see the Napkin God?
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#152 SgtKevali
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[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] No, how would you like him to share an Infinite amount of wisdom?Snipes_2

I wouldn't know, I'm not God. If he's all powerful and beyond logic or reason he should be able to instantly find a way.

No, God doesn't just snap His fingers and alter our world. We were created in His image, Earth is essentially a proving ground of sorts.

What does that have to do with the question I asked? If god is being not bound by rules of logic or nature (supernatural) he should be able to find a way.

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#153 T_REX305
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They can't explain how the Universe was Formed and they can't prove that there is no God. To compensate for this, scientists use "Coincidence".

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right what he said

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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] There's the problem, you showed me a picture of "The Holy Napkin" therefore it is a material object, the napkin is neither supernatural or omnipotent.

No, the napkin is the scripture. The napkin god is invisible and omnipotent. The napkin merely proves his existence by saying he exists. ;)

What he said.
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#155 deadpool86x
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Wow @ the amount of replies so far, jeez! :) I didnt intend for this lol, i just wanted some views and explainations

Again, i fail to see and understand why on earth you would prefer and want to NOT believe in a god. Its like those who dont believe in an afterlife want to not exist more after their die. You want your existence to cease? Why the hell would you want that? Thats why its called faith. If you have a choice to believe or now, then jeez why the hell would you choose to not believe and want to exist in a better place after you die?

I fail to understand how the absence of a mind and life can naturally do anything at all and continue to do something. It makes no sense that these laws are in place and exist. It makes no sense that atoms are not evolving and basic elements, but the immensely complex life forms are.

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#156 SolidSnake35
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]If he's omnipotent I'm sure he can make it happen. He can do anything, ya know.

Omnipotence doesn't mean the power to do everything.
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#157 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

I wouldn't know, I'm not God. If he's all powerful and beyond logic or reason he should be able to instantly find a way.

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No, God doesn't just snap His fingers and alter our world. We were created in His image, Earth is essentially a proving ground of sorts.

Don't you think thats extremely arrogant and pompus? We are less then insignificant in the grand scheme of things.... Do you realize how large the universe is? We can't even produce the amount of energy for the small events that occur within our very own solar system..

No, I don't think it's arrogant or Pompous.
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#158 Ninja-Hippo
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Were they witnessed by hundreds if not thousands of people claiming they saw the same thing?

MILLIONS of people used to believe in Apollo. He had priests, temples, a holy book and a series of stories explaining how he came into existence. The vikings used to carry passages from their holy religion which carried the word of Thor.
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#159 urdead18
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] There's the problem, you showed me a picture of "The Holy Napkin" therefore it is a material object, the napkin is neither supernatural or omnipotent.

No, the napkin is the scripture. The napkin god is invisible and omnipotent. The napkin merely proves his existence by saying he exists. ;)

If it's a Napkin God, and you're using a Napkin as the scripture, doesn't that mean we can see the Napkin God?

No, the Napkin God is invisble and omnipotent. The napkin simply proves his existence.
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1. As I said I dont believe the earth is 7,000 years old. I keep an open mind that it could be billions of years old and perhaps even more. But what do fossils have to do with anything? Once again, you are putting the entire evolution of an entire species on one units mutation. You actually think that this one mutated and evolved reptile spawned the entire new generation of reptiles with the same trait, and that information was never lost. Thats nonsense. The odds of every member of a species evolving a trait and being able to pass that along is already disproved in labs. When virus's are subjected to harsh conditions, they die. When a species is subjected to harsh conditions, they die. Its possible a few survived, but the idea that the entire species can then be reborn with the new traits forever onward is NONSENSE. and your fossils prove it. The same dinosaurs found on the western hemisphere adapted the same traits as the same type of dino found on the eastern hemisphere separated by thousands of miles well after pangea split apart...yet somehow that uncommon adapted and evolved trait formed around the world? Lol is all i can say to that one.

2. That is 100% your opinion and not fact in the slightest degree. You'd never be able to tell if this species was related and the evolved form of another. Over billions of years, the changes would be so drastic, you'd not be able to see it. The simple fact that you said this is proof that you think sudden drastic changes have to had occurred all at the same time across the entire species.

3. Carbon Dating is proven to be dreadfully inaccurate. There was a discovery program on recently that showed a scientists trying to date a synthetic something with a real thing, both were dated the same and one was created hours before in a lab. Its a joke of a test and not at all credible. Your textbooks say it, therefore its true to you.

4. If you could prove that, you would be the absolutely first being on earth to do so. The only thing that connects us in my mind is that we are born of the same atoms and material found after stars explode. That entire logic in nonsense.

5. Once again, that is not a logical defense in the slightest. You again think that one mutated creature in a species that is composed of possible hundreds of billions like insects, repopulated the entire species with that one trait that lingered onward for billions of years. Sorry, but flies that exist in Russia adapted the same traits as those found in Canada. Separated by thousands of miles and subjected to different conditions but all of them adapted the same way? You think because we have remnants of a tailbone that we are somehow related to another species? Thats not at all proven or scientific fact and is 100% fabricated opinion.

Getting back to what this was about, I believe that evolution is set forth by a control, a god or whatever you wish to call it. I do not believe that 0 can produce a number that not only repeats itself infinitely, but is a specific number that adapted itself to fit the conditions around it on a universal scale. The day you can justify 0+0=any number is the day I wont believe in god.

the idea that God is 1 and always existed is mathematically and scientifically accurate, and that 1 always existed and created. 1+x=y

the idea that there is no god and the universe always existed as a singularity represented by 0, but then created something else on an infinitely repeating and SPECIFIC to the needs of life at the start of all things is NONSENSE. 0+0=0. Those who dont believe in god denounce all mathematics. the idea that nothing created itself and then something else and again something else repeating a specific number

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1. DNA is passed forward. This is why people tend to look awfully similar to other members of their family. It is true that unused DNA generally mutates over time in a population, as there is no selective force preventing it from changing. But advantageous mutations will always be passed on because if it wasn't the organism would likely die. Furthermore, you do not need two copies of an advantageous gene for it to manifest, so the "two animals with the same mutation" example you had is completely fallacious.

2. He's pointing out phenotypic (and genetic for more recent species) similarities that only exist because of common descent.

3. Err, it's not just textbooks, but the consistent radiometric decay of elements is what a large amount of chemistry is based on. Carbon dating is not "dreadfully inaccurate" as you put it, it has been able to successfully cross-date things that we know the age of. It's not ideal in all situations, especially for many synthetic materials due to the methods we use to create them, but we can use other elements to verify that certain things are the age we think they are.

4. Look at any taxonomy system.

5. How are these two flies exactly the same? I'd be willing to be they have significant differences based on when they both diverged genetically. Are you saying that vestigial traits that line up exactly with common evolutionary descent are just coincidences? That we just happen to share specific genes and DNA codes in exactly the same places with other organisms, and those genes become more similar based on how closely we are related to said organisms?

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#161 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

I wouldn't know, I'm not God. If he's all powerful and beyond logic or reason he should be able to instantly find a way.

SgtKevali

No, God doesn't just snap His fingers and alter our world. We were created in His image, Earth is essentially a proving ground of sorts.

What does that have to do with the question I asked? If god is being not bound by rules of logic or nature (supernatural) he should be able to find a way.

No, If we had an Infinite amount of anything we would essentially be Gods too.
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#162 SteveTabernacle
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I think probability suggests God over a scientific explanation.SolidSnake35
That is laughably wrong. You think a magic man who exists outside of all known existence who can make things by snapping his fingers and wiggling his nose, or some other gesture or command is more probable than a scientific theory? Wow. Really. Just wow.
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#163 Hewkii
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Omnipotence doesn't mean the power to do everything.SolidSnake35
yeah it does.
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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"]If he's omnipotent I'm sure he can make it happen. He can do anything, ya know.

Omnipotence doesn't mean the power to do everything.

Omnipotence generally means infinite in power, at least when we are talking about God.
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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]Two problems with applying Occam's Razor to this: 1) Occam's Razor states that the simplest explanation is USUALLY the correct one. Not always. 2) The simplest explanation here is allegedly that God created the universe, however when you consider the theoretical and philosophical implications of that fact it's actually INCREDIBLY complicated and not even remotely simple at all. The notion that the Universe came to be via scientific processes of some kind (but which we currently do not understand) like everything else we examine being governed by scientific processes seems like a much more simple explanation.

I'm only using it to suggest a theistic god over some stupid monster. I think probability suggests God over a scientific explanation. In most possible universes, science of our kind probably doesn't even exist. You'd have various other sciences. Probably all of them would be equally useless for explaining anything beyond its own respective universe.

The theistic god is a monster. monster |ˈmänstər| noun an imaginary creature that is typically large and frightening. God is infinitely large, and will cast you into a pit of eternal fire if you don't love and obey him, and happen to pick the one true religion out of the countless thousands that have equally little proof for them. Fits the definition quite well...
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Were they witnessed by hundreds if not thousands of people claiming they saw the same thing?

MILLIONS of people used to believe in Apollo. He had priests, temples, a holy book and a series of stories explaining how he came into existence. The vikings used to carry passages from their holy religion which carried the word of Thor.

But no one actually witnessed anything in these books. No one from any other religion, no one from any other belief.
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] No, God doesn't just snap His fingers and alter our world. We were created in His image, Earth is essentially a proving ground of sorts. Snipes_2

Don't you think thats extremely arrogant and pompus? We are less then insignificant in the grand scheme of things.... Do you realize how large the universe is? We can't even produce the amount of energy for the small events that occur within our very own solar system..

No, I don't think it's arrogant or Pompous.

So you think we are some how the chosen ones? When everything around us pretty much shows how insignificant and fragile we really are?

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#168 SolidSnake35
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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]The problem of evil is a poor show. Free will deals with that.SteveTabernacle
Free will can't exist if god is both omnipotent and omniscient as he is typically described to be.

Depends on your notion of free will.
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#169 topgunmv
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] There's the problem, you showed me a picture of "The Holy Napkin" therefore it is a material object, the napkin is neither supernatural or omnipotent.Snipes_2
No, the napkin is the scripture. The napkin god is invisible and omnipotent. The napkin merely proves his existence by saying he exists. ;)

If it's a Napkin God, and you're using a Napkin as the scripture, doesn't that mean we can see the Napkin God?

How can you be so dismissive of the Greek gods when they match all the criteria you lay out for proof of the existence of god?

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Were they witnessed by hundreds if not thousands of people claiming they saw the same thing?Snipes_2
Naturally.
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]Were they witnessed by hundreds if not thousands of people claiming they saw the same thing?Hewkii
yup.

Indeed, I have a napkin that says just that right there with me now.
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#172 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] No, the napkin is the scripture. The napkin god is invisible and omnipotent. The napkin merely proves his existence by saying he exists. ;)topgunmv

If it's a Napkin God, and you're using a Napkin as the scripture, doesn't that mean we can see the Napkin God?

How can you be so dismissive of the Greek gods when they match all the criteria you lay out for proof of the existence of god?

They don't though, there are dozens of them and they fight amongst each other.
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Were they witnessed by hundreds if not thousands of people claiming they saw the same thing?Snipes_2
MILLIONS of people used to believe in Apollo. He had priests, temples, a holy book and a series of stories explaining how he came into existence. The vikings used to carry passages from their holy religion which carried the word of Thor.

But no one actually witnessed anything in these books. No one from any other religion, no one from any other belief.

................ We have numerous witnesses if you look into it of numerous saints and the like regardless of the religion.. But they are as good as useless because its just writings of claimed witnesses we could never cross examine.. Thats why faith is needed.

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#174 SgtKevali
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[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] No, God doesn't just snap His fingers and alter our world. We were created in His image, Earth is essentially a proving ground of sorts. Snipes_2

What does that have to do with the question I asked? If god is being not bound by rules of logic or nature (supernatural) he should be able to find a way.

No, If we had an Infinite amount of anything we would essentially be Gods too.

And what if we would be godlike? What does that have to do with anything? Here's another question: Can god create a boulder so heavy that he cannot lift it?

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[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] If it's a Napkin God, and you're using a Napkin as the scripture, doesn't that mean we can see the Napkin God?Snipes_2

How can you be so dismissive of the Greek gods when they match all the criteria you lay out for proof of the existence of god?

They don't though, there are dozens of them and they fight amongst each other.

Why must there only be one god?

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Wow @ the amount of replies so far, jeez! :) I didnt intend for this lol, i just wanted some views and explainations

Again, i fail to see and understand why on earth you would prefer and want to NOT believe in a god. Its like those who dont believe in an afterlife want to not exist more after their die. You want your existence to cease? Why the hell would you want that? Thats why its called faith. If you have a choice to believe or now, then jeez why the hell would you choose to not believe and want to exist in a better place after you die?

I fail to understand how the absence of a mind and life can naturally do anything at all and continue to do something. It makes no sense that these laws are in place and exist. It makes no sense that atoms are not evolving and basic elements, but the immensely complex life forms are.

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It's not a matter of what you WANT to happen. I'm sure we all WANT to live forever in paradise after we die. But some people simply cannot subscribe to a religion where there is no evidence to prove the existence of God. You fail to see how the absence of a mind can do something? Explain to me how plants create their own nutrition via photosynthesis and spread their own seeds for reproduction. :|
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#177 SolidSnake35
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Fits the definition quite well... Darth-Caedus
Great. I shall rephrase and state "a monster of your imaginative description".
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Don't you think thats extremely arrogant and pompus? We are less then insignificant in the grand scheme of things.... Do you realize how large the universe is? We can't even produce the amount of energy for the small events that occur within our very own solar system..

sSubZerOo

No, I don't think it's arrogant or Pompous.

So you think we are some how the chosen ones? When everything around us pretty much shows how insignificant and fragile we really are?

I don't understand what you're trying to say.
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Gallion-Beast"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Err...Since Science can't prove it because God is infinite. How would I get a scientific source? God did not just occur out of nothing, he has existed before time, the logic is faulty. He's not of our world, while as the universe is. God isn't a Human being and he's not Material, whereas the Universe is. The universe had to have come from somewhere.

I ask this not as argument, but rather out of curiousity. I often see the claims that god is "infinite" and existed before time. Firstly, what does it mean that god is infinite? Infinite refers to a quantity of measurement. What aspect of god is infinite? Similarly, the word "before" is referring to a place further back in time. By the definition of before it means that time was passing prior to the point you're calling the start of time, meaning it could not infact be before time at all. I'm sorry if it seems like I'm just nitpicking at your wording or anything, it's just that I often hear those statements thrown around by Christians but I can't derive any actual meanign from the statements.

There's no other word to describe what happened "Before" we came to be. Everything about God is infinite, the Human mind is Finite, we will never be able to fully understand Gods wisdom.

Do you understand what infinite means? It's a quantity that is endless. Infinite volume, infinite length, infinite mass are all statements with meaning. It's a numerical quantity without end. Clearly not every aspect of God is infite, eg. mass, density, magnetic field strength, and just saying God is infinite has no more meaning than saying my shirt are infinite. You just seem to be using it as a big word to handwave over actually saying anything. For something to happen, time must pass. If time doesn't pass, it means that nothing is happening.
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#180 urdead18
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Were they witnessed by hundreds if not thousands of people claiming they saw the same thing?

MILLIONS of people used to believe in Apollo. He had priests, temples, a holy book and a series of stories explaining how he came into existence. The vikings used to carry passages from their holy religion which carried the word of Thor.

But no one actually witnessed anything in these books. No one from any other religion, no one from any other belief.

You gonna respond to the Napkin God and the napkin which clearly depicts his existence?
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#181 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="topgunmv"]

How can you be so dismissive of the Greek gods when they match all the criteria you lay out for proof of the existence of god?

topgunmv

They don't though, there are dozens of them and they fight amongst each other.

Why must there only be one god?

Must must there be more than one? IF there was more than one wouldn't we all be created in different images?
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#182 Ninja-Hippo
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Were they witnessed by hundreds if not thousands of people claiming they saw the same thing?

MILLIONS of people used to believe in Apollo. He had priests, temples, a holy book and a series of stories explaining how he came into existence. The vikings used to carry passages from their holy religion which carried the word of Thor.

But no one actually witnessed anything in these books. No one from any other religion, no one from any other belief.

Actually loads of people witnessed it. Hundreds. How do i know? Because it's written right here on a napkin.
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#183 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="urdead18"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] MILLIONS of people used to believe in Apollo. He had priests, temples, a holy book and a series of stories explaining how he came into existence. The vikings used to carry passages from their holy religion which carried the word of Thor.

But no one actually witnessed anything in these books. No one from any other religion, no one from any other belief.

You gonna respond to the Napkin God and the napkin which clearly depicts his existence?

I already did.
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Must must there be more than one? IF there was more than one wouldn't we all be created in different images?Snipes_2
yeah, probably. so?
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This topic has new posts every time I refresh.

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#186 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] MILLIONS of people used to believe in Apollo. He had priests, temples, a holy book and a series of stories explaining how he came into existence. The vikings used to carry passages from their holy religion which carried the word of Thor. sSubZerOo

But no one actually witnessed anything in these books. No one from any other religion, no one from any other belief.

................ We have numerous witnesses if you look into it of numerous saints and the like regardless of the religion.. But they are as good as useless because its just writings of claimed witnesses we could never cross examine.. Thats why faith is needed.

Not just Saints witnessed these things. Believers and Non Believers alike did.
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#187 SteveTabernacle
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]If he's omnipotent I'm sure he can make it happen. He can do anything, ya know.SolidSnake35
Omnipotence doesn't mean the power to do everything.

om·nip·o·tent (ŏm-nĭp'ə-tənt) adj. Having unlimited or universal power, authority, or force; all-powerful. See Usage Note at infinite. n. 1. One having unlimited power or authority: the bureaucratic omnipotents. 2. Omnipotent God. Used with the.

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#188 SolidSnake35
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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]I think probability suggests God over a scientific explanation.SteveTabernacle
That is laughably wrong. You think a magic man who exists outside of all known existence who can make things by snapping his fingers and wiggling his nose, or some other gesture or command is more probable than a scientific theory? Wow. Really. Just wow.

What's your scientific theory? I doubt that even if you knew of one, you wouldn't understand it.
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#189 metroidfood
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This topic has new posts every time I refresh.

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OT hasn't had a good old fashioned religious debate in a while. The wolves are hungry.

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#190 urdead18
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="urdead18"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] But no one actually witnessed anything in these books. No one from any other religion, no one from any other belief.

You gonna respond to the Napkin God and the napkin which clearly depicts his existence?

I already did.

No, you didn't.
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#191 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]Must must there be more than one? IF there was more than one wouldn't we all be created in different images?Hewkii
yeah, probably. so?

So, we aren't. That's why there's only one God who created us in His image.
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#192 urdead18
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] But no one actually witnessed anything in these books. No one from any other religion, no one from any other belief. Snipes_2

................ We have numerous witnesses if you look into it of numerous saints and the like regardless of the religion.. But they are as good as useless because its just writings of claimed witnesses we could never cross examine.. Thats why faith is needed.

Not just Saints witnessed these things. Believers and Non Believers alike did.

How do you know?
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#193 SgtKevali
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[QUOTE="SteveTabernacle"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]I think probability suggests God over a scientific explanation.SolidSnake35
That is laughably wrong. You think a magic man who exists outside of all known existence who can make things by snapping his fingers and wiggling his nose, or some other gesture or command is more probable than a scientific theory? Wow. Really. Just wow.

What's your scientific theory? I doubt that even if you knew of one, you wouldn't understand it.

The god of the gaps huh?

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#194 SteveTabernacle
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Not just Saints witnessed these things. Believers and Non Believers alike did.

By writing down on napkins that we witnessed the miracles of the holy napkin, our witnesses have as much credibility as your own.
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#195 Hewkii
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So, we aren't. Snipes_2
last time I looked we are.
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#196 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] MILLIONS of people used to believe in Apollo. He had priests, temples, a holy book and a series of stories explaining how he came into existence. The vikings used to carry passages from their holy religion which carried the word of Thor.

But no one actually witnessed anything in these books. No one from any other religion, no one from any other belief.

Actually loads of people witnessed it. Hundreds. How do i know? Because it's written right here on a napkin.

No, It's not. You're saying your "Bible" is likened after the one who created everything? So, wouldn't that make you a Napkin too, since you were created in it's image? YOu also wouldn't be able to type any messages, or even have a brain.
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#197 urdead18
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[QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"]Must must there be more than one? IF there was more than one wouldn't we all be created in different images?Snipes_2
yeah, probably. so?

So, we aren't. That's why there's only one God who created us in His image.

His image? Humans look like God? How can God look like a finite being when he is infinite and isn't of this world?
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#198 Ninja-Hippo
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] I already did.

Nah, you didn't. You missed the point and started asking all kinds of questions about the Napkin God, which was not the purpose. To summarise: 1) You claim God exists, and you cite the bible which says he exists as proof that he indeed does. 2) So i say that i believe in the Napkin God, and that i can prove that because it says so right here on a napkin. The point? You cannot prove a religious deity exists by quoting the book devoted to that deity which says he does. That just doesn't make any sense. Like i said earlier, it'd be like me writing a book called 'why the earth is made of cheese' and then quoting my own book when i try to argue with you that i'm right.
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#199 wstfld
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I hate these topics. Isn't it possible to believe in some sort of "God" while still believing wholeheartedly that Christianity is a crock of ****.
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#200 SolidSnake35
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[QUOTE="UbiquitousAeon"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"]If he's omnipotent I'm sure he can make it happen. He can do anything, ya know.

Omnipotence doesn't mean the power to do everything.

Omnipotence generally means infinite in power, at least when we are talking about God.

Well yes but even infinite power doesn't entail the power to do absolutely everything because that's not coherent. If theists were to assert that they'd be shooting themselves in the foot. Omnipotence has to be understood in a certain way.