Question about evolution and atheism BIG READ

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] No, It's not. You're saying your "Bible" is likened after the one who created everything? So, wouldn't that make you a Napkin too, since you were created in it's image? YOu also wouldn't be able to type any messages, or even have a brain. Ninja-Hippo

So if I were to wear this napkin, or better yet, eat it, does that make me God?

So, then everyone can't be part of another God. Which disproves Apollo, Athena etc..Snipes_2

[QUOTE="racer8dan"]

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

Any god at all, or the Christian God?

GabuEx

And an example of this would be...?

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] No, It's not. You're saying your "Bible" is likened after the one who created everything? So, wouldn't that make you a Napkin too, since you were created in it's image? YOu also wouldn't be able to type any messages, or even have a brain. coolbeans90

So if I were to wear this napkin, or better yet, eat it, does that make me God?

So, You're saying we're all Likened after Zeus because he's white and a Male? What about black people? Are they likened after Zeus too? What about Asians, Their facial Structure is nothing like Zeus's. Snipes_2

[QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] If God is to be omnipotent, God doesn't exist.urdead18

[QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] If God is to be omnipotent, God doesn't exist.urdead18

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] Well yes but even infinite power doesn't entail the power to do absolutely everything because that's not coherent. If theists were to assert that they'd be shooting themselves in the foot. Omnipotence has to be understood in a certain way.SolidSnake35

It's not coherent because infinite power doesn't make sense. For example, can an omnipotent being create a rock so heavy he cannot lift it? If said omnipotent being is beyond logic or reason, shouldn't he be able to do so?

So your conclusion is that God (which is an omnipotent being by definition) doesn't exist.

Great work there. I assume you realized that in that statement I was using omnipotence under your interpretation of the word. You know, the totally stupid interpretation.SolidSnake35

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] Well yes but even infinite power doesn't entail the power to do absolutely everything because that's not coherent. If theists were to assert that they'd be shooting themselves in the foot. Omnipotence has to be understood in a certain way.SolidSnake35

It's not coherent because infinite power doesn't make sense. For example, can an omnipotent being create a rock so heavy he cannot lift it? If said omnipotent being is beyond logic or reason, shouldn't he be able to do so?

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] No, It's not. You're saying your "Bible" is likened after the one who created everything? So, wouldn't that make you a Napkin too, since you were created in it's image? YOu also wouldn't be able to type any messages, or even have a brain. coolbeans90

So if I were to wear this napkin, or better yet, eat it, does that make me God?

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] At no point did i say the napkin god is actually a napkin. He is invisible and omnipotent. I know nothing of what he looks like. Also, you're completely missing the point entirely here. Ninja-Hippo

So if I were to wear this napkin, or better yet, eat it, does that make me God?

I would burn it at the stake with all heretical books and witches for challenging the authority of the almighty bean!!

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] At no point did i say the napkin god is actually a napkin. He is invisible and omnipotent. I know nothing of what he looks like. Also, you're completely missing the point entirely here. SteveTabernacle

So if I were to wear this napkin, or better yet, eat it, does that make me God?

I hate how sarcasm doesn't work on the internet. :/

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

So if I were to wear this napkin, or better yet, eat it, does that make me God?

coolbeans90

I would burn it at the stake with all heretical books and witches for challenging the authority of the almighty bean!!

[QUOTE="SteveTabernacle"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

So if I were to wear this napkin, or better yet, eat it, does that make me God?

coolbeans90

I hate how sarcasm doesn't work on the internet. :/

I don't understand the reason people are atheist. To me, atheists believe in magic just as those who are religious do. To an atheist who thinks there is no god, the universe magically sprouted into existence, that the singularity that housed all existence was eternal and then 14 or so billion years ago started to expand, forming amazingly complex structures, bonds and what looks just like building blocks logically thought out and put together. Im not denouncing their beliefs, I just dont see the proof that god doesnt exist, or a good excuse for the beliefs. I see much more evidence proving a god exists and denying it. I simply fail to get it, as no atheist ive ever spoken to will give me a straight answer. How can you believe the universe sprouted into existence and so many amazingly complex things exist, and so many elements are found right here as well as 14 billion light years away in the exact same quantity.

I've a lot of questions, I apologize if i come off throwing down to some peoples views, but every time I ask an atheist questions, I get the silent treatment or the reply "oh ya? well how did god come into existence, how did he do this or that." Once I sat in the theater and watched Superman. One guy in the theater yelled out WHAT!!! NOBODY CAN DO THAT! THATS IMPOSSIBLE" to which I replied " he is superman..." It's kind of how i view atheists now. You can believe in things sprouting into existence with absolutely no creator or reason for it, but I cant believe in a God that came into existence the same way and created everything else.

deadpool86x

Actually, in theoretical physics things "magically sprouting into existance" is explainable. Regretably, I am not a theoretical physicist so I cannot explain how all of this works, but I can post a (very long) video of Dr. Lawrence Krauss talking about this very subject. It's actually very fascinating if you have the time for it, a lot of very cool concepts are discussed.

WATCH

[QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"]So, You're saying we're all Likened after Zeus because he's white and a Male? What about black people? Are they likened after Zeus too? What about Asians, Their facial Structure is nothing like Zeus's. Superbored

Wait a minute. In Greek mythology did the Titans/Greek Gods even create people?

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="SteveTabernacle"] No. The napkin is just what we are inspired to write on, the napkin God is not an actual napkin.SteveTabernacle

I hate how sarcasm doesn't work on the internet. :/

True. I would hate to spend an eternity burning along with all of the evil napkins.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="SteveTabernacle"] No. The napkin is just what we are inspired to write on, the napkin God is not an actual napkin.SteveTabernacle

I hate how sarcasm doesn't work on the internet. :/

Prove fact: The existence of god can nether be proven or disprove. It comes all down to faith. Prove me wrong.alexside1

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

It's not coherent because infinite power doesn't make sense. For example, can an omnipotent being create a rock so heavy he cannot lift it? If said omnipotent being is beyond logic or reason, shouldn't he be able to do so?

UbiquitousAeon

this is some what proof that you can't comprehend anything outside of your box. If god were infinitely powerful, he could in fact create something or a rule that he cannot break. God can do anything, if it wants to not ever be able to do something, then it is so. I see where this logic comes from in your view, but its kind of the answer and the question at once. You are basically saying that if you were an all powerful entity, you couldnt do something? How do you know that god doesnt have limits to its power? How is it the universe is infinite and not imploding inward on itself from infinite mass and gravity within it? Neither makes sense but its here isnt it? How could the infinite singularity that expanded as the big bang have been truly infinite, but then expanded to infinity in 15 billion years ? Thats impossible. How can infinity expand to infinity? I cant. Its a stupid definition thought up by even dumber scientists who had a bad day or something bad happen to them and the say OHHH JEEZZ THIS IS SOO BAD THERE CANNT BE A GODDDD, HOW COULD THEREEE BEEEE!!!! THIS IS AWFULL!!!! *poof

im an atheist now

in the nicest way possible, in my experiences that is why people do not believe in god. Because something bad happend in their life, their parents or siblings were atheist, or they've very little knowledge of science and math. Sorry, I don't believe that 0+0=a number when the universe is clearly not alive and able to create things. I dont see how the universe can snap into existence with all the elements pre set into the singularity for it to then go boom and create everything else.

[QUOTE="alexside1"]Prove fact: The existence of god can nether be proven or disprove. It comes all down to faith. Prove me wrong.UbiquitousAeon

"You're wrong." - Gamespot forums, UbiquitousAeon.

Prove fact: The existence of god can nether be proven or disprove. It comes all down to faith. Prove me wrong.alexside1

Premise 2: The concept of God is incoherent

Therefore, God cannot and does not exist

Q.E.D.

I love the attack on my intelligence though. Real great stuff.urdead18

[QUOTE="UbiquitousAeon"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]God doesn't exist.deadpool86x

this is some what proof that you can't comprehend anything outside of your box. If god were infinitely powerful, he could in fact create something or a rule that he cannot break. God can do anything, if it wants to not ever be able to do something, then it is so. I see where this logic comes from in your view, but its kind of the answer and the question at once. You are basically saying that if you were an all powerful entity, you couldnt do something? How do you know that god doesnt have limits to its power? How is it the universe is infinite and not imploding inward on itself from infinite mass and gravity within it? Neither makes sense but its here isnt it? How could the infinite singularity that expanded as the big bang have been truly infinite, but then expanded to infinity in 15 billion years ? Thats impossible. How can infinity expand to infinity? I cant. Its a stupid definition thought up by even dumber scientists who had a bad day or something bad happen to them and the say OHHH JEEZZ THIS IS SOO BAD THERE CANNT BE A GODDDD, HOW COULD THEREEE BEEEE!!!! THIS IS AWFULL!!!! *poof

im an atheist now

in the nicest way possible, in my experiences that is why people do not believe in god. Because something bad happend in their life, their parents or siblings were atheist, or they've very little knowledge of science and math. Sorry, I don't believe that 0+0=a number when the universe is clearly not alive and able to create things. I dont see how the universe can snap into existence with all the elements pre set into the singularity for it to then go boom and create everything else.

Alright, I'm done arguing over this. I obviously won't convince you people that there is actually a God. You are set in your ways.

Alright, I'm done arguing over this. I obviously won't convince you people that there is actually a God. You are set in your ways.

Snipes_2

As likely are we theists.

Haha, sure. So there's a theory that explains everything? Of course not. Like you say, they're being developed. And you don't understand them because they're incomplete. Besides, like I said, you wouldn't have your theories had the universe turned out slightly different.SolidSnake35

Alright, I'm done arguing over this. I obviously won't convince you people that there is actually a God. You are set in your ways.

Snipes_2