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#301 SolidSnake35
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[QUOTE="alexside1"]Prove fact: The existence of god can nether be proven or disprove. It comes all down to faith. Prove me wrong.-Sun_Tzu-

Premise 1: Incoherent concepts do not exist in any meaningful sense

Premise 2: The concept of God is incoherent

Therefore, God cannot and does not exist

Q.E.D.

There's a mistake in premise 2, I imagine.
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#302 topgunmv
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]So, then everyone can't be part of another God. Which disproves Apollo, Athena etc..Hewkii
yeah they can.

If something is created in the image of man, they aren't referring to a specific man. The same with being created in the image of the gods.

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#304 SgtKevali
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Alright, I'm done arguing over this. I obviously won't convince you people that there is actually a God. You are set in your ways.

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You haven't offered any compelling evidence.

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#305 GabuEx
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[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

Sorry, but wrong. If you name me any two organisms on Earth, I can list you all of their common traits.

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Ok, common house fly and a Rose.

The common house fly and the rose are both members of the domain Eukaryota, which means that they are both organisms composed of many organic cells that contain a nucleus in which their genetic material is carried. This is differentiated from the domains Bacteria and Archaea, which are unicellular organisms whose cells do not contain a nucleaus.

If we did not evolve from an animal with a tail, then why do we have a tailbone?

well, you think its possible for things to naturally occur, so i believe that our traits naturally came to be. There is a need for it, permits limited movement between the sacrum and the coccyx. I don't think we evolved it from anything else, i think its a vital part of the human structure.

deadpool86x

It can't be too vital, as operations have been successfully performed to remove it.

Beyond that, however, you did not answer the question. It is not simply any old bone. It is precisely the same bone structure that is observed in chimpanzees, which do have a bone, and whose tailbone provides support - hence the name. We thus have a bone to support a tail, yet no tail. The theory of evolution explains this very easily: our ancestors had bones, and the tailbone is a remnant from that heritage. What is your explanation?

If flightless birds did not evolve from birds that flew, then why do they have hollow bones?

Since when to genetic mutations make sense all the time? Your argument for that is the same as a group of incestuous kids having more kids with more horrid mutations and spawning off a new type of human.

deadpool86x

You did not even attempt to answer the question. There are flightless birds with hollow bones. Yet, there are also flightless birds with marrow-filled bones. The theory of evolution can explain this very easily: the flightless birds with hollow bones have been observed to be more closely related genetically to birds of flight than flightless birds with marrow-filled bones. What is your explanation?

I am in fact trying to understand the views of others. You seem to be unable to think outside the box and are proving the point i made in my first post where i said why do they always reply with "OH YA, well why is this or that then???" Thats not a valid excuse for your beliefs, if anything is willfully ignorant, it would be the person who keeps says "Oh ya, well how come they have this or that trait?" If you cant think for yourself, dont post, and your inability to explain it doesnt justify anyone not believe in god doing it all

deadpool86x

I can tell you that I most certainly am thinking for myself, considering that I have studied this topic in depth and have arrived at my own conclusions. I am a little confused as to why you are coming to the conclusion that providing evidence in favor of evolution is not thinking for oneself.

Also, you may not have noticed, but there was a bit more to my argument than just "well why do we have trait X?", but you seem to have not quoted any of that argument, so perhaps you don't have a response...?

Once again, your opinion. While flawed and its apparent you dont have the ability to think outside the box, all I can say it continue thinking 0+0= a complex number. I believe math is law and cant be changed, you believe that on a tuesday 15 billion years ago these math laws didnt exist or could be broken for a short time.

deadpool86x

I am becoming further convinced that you neither understand this nor have any interest in understanding it, because it seems to me that someone who is interested in understanding this would not be so apparently comfortable with making scientifically and mathematically meaningless statements. :?

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#306 Ninja-Hippo
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Uhm, I never said they had to look Exactly like Zeus, I said Darwin doesn't look like him just because he has white hair and a beard. I'm not deliberately "Drawing Away from the Initial point", I press you with questions that you never answer, so I just keep posing them.

I don't answer questions because they're irrelevant. When i use the napkin thing to explain why you cannot quote your own scripture to prove what that scripture says, rather than concede that that makes sense, you ask me a number of questions about the nature of the napkin God. That has nothing to do with anything and completely misses the point, so indeed i pay them little mind. And now you're backtracking. You said there cannot be other Gods because people are not made in their image. "Do you see people who look like Zeus?" you said. I posted an image of a person who looked kinda like Zeus and you said the following: "That doesn't look anything like Zeus. Maybe you liken him to the Image of Zeus, but he still doesn't look like him." Therefore you're saying he doesn't look close enough to Zeus. That a person must look JUST like Zeus to be made in his image. Now you deny this, but like it or not the point that you just accidentally made is that a person must look VERY CLOSE to the God whos image in which they are made in order for that God to exist. That is what you just said. And we clearly AREN'T made in God's image because we all look completely different.
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#307 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"]Yes it is. Yahweh |ˈyäˌwā; -ˌwe; -ˌvā| (also Yahveh |-ˌvā; -ˌve|) noun a form of the Hebrew name of God used in the Bible. The name came to be regarded by Jews ( c. 300 bc) as too sacred to be spoken, and the vowel sounds are uncertain. You are saying that every human was created in the image of one god, then why do we all look different?

"The name came to be regarded by Jews" We all look so different because we were created in his Image, again, God is infinite. He doesn't have just one persona. HE is everything.

Jews and Christans believe in the exact same god, jews just don't believe that Christ was his son. Zeus does not just have one persona either IIRC. And we can't be created in the image of something that doesn't have an image. If god is everything, it has no image.

Explain Adam and Eve then? They had Children, Their children had Children etc...How are we not created in Gods image? That would explain the different skin colors etc..If God is infinite, his image can be infinite as well. Where are Zeus's other "Persona's"?
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#308 SteveTabernacle
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Alright, I'm done arguing over this. I obviously won't convince you people that there is actually a God. You are set in your ways.

Snipes_2
Yes, God has hardened our hearts and is using us to test your faith, I mean that must be it. It can't be that you're simply wrong. Why is God using us to toy with you, though? Doesn't he have better things to do?
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#309 Darth-Caedus
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Alright, I'm done arguing over this. I obviously won't convince you people that there is actually a God. You are set in your ways.

Snipes_2
As are you. Pretty much every religion debate in the history of forever has basically been two or more brick walls against each other.
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#310 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

Alright, I'm done arguing over this. I obviously won't convince you people that there is actually a God. You are set in your ways.

SgtKevali

You haven't offered any compelling evidence.

In your opinion. You are an Atheist right? Therefore, you certainly won't change your views because some random person on the Internet thinks differently. Just like I will never change my views.
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#311 Ninja-Hippo
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Alright, I'm done arguing over this. I obviously won't convince you people that there is actually a God. You are set in your ways.

Snipes_2
"I don't know the answer and one day hope that i will" is a lot more open minded than "I know the answer but cannot explain how or why it is the answer" if you ask me. :)
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#312 UbiquitousAeon
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

Alright, I'm done arguing over this. I obviously won't convince you people that there is actually a God. You are set in your ways.

SgtKevali

You haven't offered any compelling evidence.

Dude, the ONLY compelling evidence for most atheists is none other than God himself coming down from the heavens and telling it how it is. Trust me, I'm an atheist.
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#313 urdead18
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] "The name came to be regarded by Jews" We all look so different because we were created in his Image, again, God is infinite. He doesn't have just one persona. HE is everything.

Jews and Christans believe in the exact same god, jews just don't believe that Christ was his son. Zeus does not just have one persona either IIRC. And we can't be created in the image of something that doesn't have an image. If god is everything, it has no image.

Explain Adam and Eve then? They had Children, Their children had Children etc...How are we not created in Gods image? That would explain the different skin colors etc..If God is infinite, his image can be infinite as well. Where are Zeus's other "Persona's"?

Better yet, explain why God created Adam and Eve when he knew beforehand that they would take the fruit and be damned for all eternity?
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#314 SolidSnake35
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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]Haha, sure. So there's a theory that explains everything? Of course not. Like you say, they're being developed. And you don't understand them because they're incomplete. Besides, like I said, you wouldn't have your theories had the universe turned out slightly different.SteveTabernacle
If the universe turned out slightly different, I wouldn't exist, and wouldn't be pondering such questions in the first place. But I know for a fact it did turn out the way it did because here I am. Unless of course I'm just an AI program created by another me in a universe that did turn out different to see how a me in a different universe would act on an internet forum because the you in that different universe made him think about it. Hang on, gotta go code an AI program. the bottom line point was that a scientific theory is, as a matter of fact, more probable than an invisible super being, who is infinitely more improbable by his very nature than anything science can propose.

I don't see how you existing in any way affects the probability of you existing, except in so far as it means it's possible that you should exist.
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#315 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

Alright, I'm done arguing over this. I obviously won't convince you people that there is actually a God. You are set in your ways.

Darth-Caedus
As are you. Pretty much every religion debate in the history of forever has basically been two or more brick walls against each other.

Exactly, There's really no point in debating this over the internet. I doubt I'm going to change anyones viewpoints.
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#316 SteveTabernacle
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Explain Adam and Eve then? They had Children, Their children had Children etc...How are we not created in Gods image? That would explain the different skin colors etc..If God is infinite, his image can be infinite as well. Where are Zeus's other "Persona's"?

Adam and Eve can't be explained, their story of populating the earth through inbreeding is flatly impossible, just as it was flat impossible for Noah's family to do after the flatly impossible world wide flood.
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#317 deadevil666
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Oh wow, another religious debate on a GAMING forum that goes absolutely nowhere and solves absolutely nothing, yet successfully brings out the worst in people.

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#318 UbiquitousAeon
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[QUOTE="SteveTabernacle"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Explain Adam and Eve then? They had Children, Their children had Children etc...How are we not created in Gods image? That would explain the different skin colors etc..If God is infinite, his image can be infinite as well. Where are Zeus's other "Persona's"?

Adam and Eve can't be explained, their story of populating the earth through inbreeding is flatly impossible, just as it was flat impossible for Noah's family to do after the flatly impossible world wide flood.

The only thing Adam and Eve explains is incest.
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#319 UbiquitousAeon
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Oh wow, another religious debate on a GAMING forum that goes absolutely nowhere and solves absolutely nothing, yet successfully brings out the worst in people.

deadevil666

I'm just having fun. I know some people take it to heart, but I think it's fun.

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#320 urdead18
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Oh wow, another religious debate on a GAMING forum that goes absolutely nowhere and solves absolutely nothing, yet successfully brings out the worst in people.

deadevil666
Actually, the other forums are for gaming. This one's for Off Topic, if you didn't NOTICE.
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#321 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="urdead18"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"]Jews and Christans believe in the exact same god, jews just don't believe that Christ was his son. Zeus does not just have one persona either IIRC. And we can't be created in the image of something that doesn't have an image. If god is everything, it has no image.

Explain Adam and Eve then? They had Children, Their children had Children etc...How are we not created in Gods image? That would explain the different skin colors etc..If God is infinite, his image can be infinite as well. Where are Zeus's other "Persona's"?

Better yet, explain why God created Adam and Eve when he knew beforehand that they would take the fruit and be damned for all eternity?

Wait, so I can't ask any questions, but you can? Adam and Eve were in Paradise, God gave them the chance, and they decided to eat the fruit.
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#322 Ninja-Hippo
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Just like I will never change my views. Snipes_2
That's the problem. If you enter a discussion with a pre-conceived notion that you absolutely refuse to deviate from, what is the point? Believe it or not, if you could present me some really thought provoking evidence with depth to it i would be more than willing to re-examine the way i see things. It is making your mind up already and leaving no room for any other alternative that is the problem. Like a scientist once said, much to the distaste of good ole Richard Dawkins, 'even if we prove beyond any doubt whatsoever that there is no god, i will still believe in God because it is what my holy scripture tells me.' In other words, so set in his ways was he that living his life any differently was simply not an option for him.
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#323 alexside1
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@snipes_2 Before I log off, I a few things to say to you. The thing only thing that pleases god is faith. By faith Christians believe that Jesus resurrected from the dead. By faith Christians believe that god created the universe. If god was proven then we can no longer have faith. If he doesn't want to have faith then he can appear himself to the world and we can get over this ridiculous debate. He can only prove himself we can not, so stop trying so hard to convert these people into believe in god. You just wasting everyone time.
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#324 Hewkii
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Exactly, There's really no point in debating this over the internet. I doubt I'm going to change anyones viewpoints. Snipes_2
although that's mostly because you have an incoherent logical reasoning.
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#325 SgtKevali
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[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

Alright, I'm done arguing over this. I obviously won't convince you people that there is actually a God. You are set in your ways.

Snipes_2

You haven't offered any compelling evidence.

In your opinion. You are an Atheist right? Therefore, you certainly won't change your views because some random person on the Internet thinks differently. Just like I will never change my views.

Of course I'd change my mind if you gave me enough evidence. I'm not in debt to my lack of belief in god. I'm not set in any way of thinking, you just haven't given a shred of evidence.

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#326 deadevil666
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[QUOTE="deadevil666"]

Oh wow, another religious debate on a GAMING forum that goes absolutely nowhere and solves absolutely nothing, yet successfully brings out the worst in people.

urdead18

Actually, the other forums are for gaming. This one's for Off Topic, if you didn't NOTICE.

It's part of Gamespot, hun. I realize topics related to gaming are a no-no in these here forums, but these types of debates are utterly pointless.

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#327 urdead18
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="urdead18"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Explain Adam and Eve then? They had Children, Their children had Children etc...How are we not created in Gods image? That would explain the different skin colors etc..If God is infinite, his image can be infinite as well. Where are Zeus's other "Persona's"?

Better yet, explain why God created Adam and Eve when he knew beforehand that they would take the fruit and be damned for all eternity?

Wait, so I can't ask any questions, but you can? Adam and Eve were in Paradise, God gave them the chance, and they decided to eat the fruit.

If God was omnipotent he'd know what they would do before hand and wouldn't of created them or anyone else that is going to be damned to Hell for all of eternity.
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#328 SteveTabernacle
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In your opinion. You are an Atheist right? Therefore, you certainly won't change your views because some random person on the Internet thinks differently. Just like I will never change my views. Snipes_2
Not a matter of opinion, any objective observer who grades this debate can clearly see you failed to make a compelling and logical case. I won't change my views for one random person on the internet, because said person has no proof. If I'm shown compelling proof for God, I would admit I was wrong. But none has been shown.
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#329 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="SteveTabernacle"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Adam and Eve can't be explained, their story of populating the earth through inbreeding is flatly impossible, just as it was flat impossible for Noah's family to do after the flatly impossible world wide flood.

Your theory of how we were formed and the Universe was formed is flatly impossible to me.
[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

Alright, I'm done arguing over this. I obviously won't convince you people that there is actually a God. You are set in your ways.

Ninja-Hippo
"I don't know the answer and one day hope that i will" is a lot more open minded than "I know the answer but cannot explain how or why it is the answer" if you ask me. :)

I know how and why, you won't accept my answers. Therefore, you will need to seek them out in your own time.
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#330 alexside1
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[QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

Alright, I'm done arguing over this. I obviously won't convince you people that there is actually a God. You are set in your ways.

Snipes_2
As are you. Pretty much every religion debate in the history of forever has basically been two or more brick walls against each other.

Exactly, There's really no point in debating this over the internet. I doubt I'm going to change anyones viewpoints.

Then why debate in the first place and keep going? That's something that I'll never understand.
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#331 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]In your opinion. You are an Atheist right? Therefore, you certainly won't change your views because some random person on the Internet thinks differently. Just like I will never change my views. SteveTabernacle
Not a matter of opinion, any objective observer who grades this debate can clearly see you failed to make a compelling and logical case. I won't change my views for one random person on the internet, because said person has no proof. If I'm shown compelling proof for God, I would admit I was wrong. But none has been shown.

Anyone observing this debate can also see how the other side has failed as well. You have not shown any Compelling evidence against God, I won't change my views because that random person has no evidence. I have evidence, you choose not to believe it.
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#332 UbiquitousAeon
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]Exactly, There's really no point in debating this over the internet. I doubt I'm going to change anyones viewpoints. Hewkii
although that's mostly because you have an incoherent logical reasoning.

All you had to say was "That's mostly because you have incoherent logic." I know this isn't English class, but logic is a way of reasoning in itself.
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Wait, so I can't ask any questions, but you can? Adam and Eve were in Paradise, God gave them the chance, and they decided to eat the fruit.

If you believe the Adam and Eve story, you open the following can of worms: 1) Dinosaurs. What the heck where they doing here if God created Earth in a few days and then put man on it when was finished? 2) The bible states that the earth is thousands of years old. We know now that it is in fact many many millions of years old. 3) Why did God put a talking snake in his paradise if he knew it would ruin everything?
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#334 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"] As are you. Pretty much every religion debate in the history of forever has basically been two or more brick walls against each other.

Exactly, There's really no point in debating this over the internet. I doubt I'm going to change anyones viewpoints.

Then why debate in the first place and keep going? That's something that I'll never understand.

I didn't start this debate.
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#335 SteveTabernacle
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Your theory of how we were formed and the Universe was formed is flatly impossible to me.

Oh and what theory would that be, pray tell? I thought you said you were done with this thread?
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#336 UbiquitousAeon
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Exactly, There's really no point in debating this over the internet. I doubt I'm going to change anyones viewpoints.

Then why debate in the first place and keep going? That's something that I'll never understand.

I didn't start this debate.

But you did keep going.
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#337 Ninja-Hippo
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Anyone observing this debate can also see how the other side has failed as well. You have not shown any Compelling evidence against God Snipes_2
Only no, because for the third time in this same thread, it is not the responsibility of others to prove that YOUR deity does or doesn't exist. You must convince me, not the other way around. A salesman tells you why you should buy his goods, he doesn't demand that you tell him why you shouldn't.

EDIT: and finally, failing to prove that God does not exist (which is impossible) in no way whatsoever offers theists a victory because just because you cannot prove he does not exist by no means proves that he DOES exist. You gain nothing.

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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Wait, so I can't ask any questions, but you can? Adam and Eve were in Paradise, God gave them the chance, and they decided to eat the fruit.

If you believe the Adam and Eve story, you open the following can of worms: 1) Dinosaurs. What the heck where they doing here if God created Earth in a few days and then put man on it when was finished? 2) The bible states that the earth is thousands of years old. We know now that it is in fact many many millions of years old. 3) Why did God put a talking snake in his paradise if he knew it would ruin everything?

I believe this might illustrate your point.
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#339 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Wait, so I can't ask any questions, but you can? Adam and Eve were in Paradise, God gave them the chance, and they decided to eat the fruit.

If you believe the Adam and Eve story, you open the following can of worms: 1) Dinosaurs. What the heck where they doing here if God created Earth in a few days and then put man on it when was finished? 2) The bible states that the earth is thousands of years old. We know now that it is in fact many many millions of years old. 3) Why did God put a talking snake in his paradise if he knew it would ruin everything?

Man wasn't put on earth Immediately, they were in Paradise, which was not earth. Time doesn't work the Same in Paradise, therefore, dinosaurs could have existed before God put Adam and Eve on Earth. The "Talking Snake" was the Devil, God didn't place the Devil there.
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#340 SteveTabernacle
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2) The bible states that the earth is thousands of years old. We know now that it is in fact many many millions of years old. Ninja-Hippo
Billions, actually. With a B. :) As for dinosaurs, I've been honestly told by people that Dino fossils were put there by God to test our faith and make the earth look older than it really is. I am not kidding.

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#341 scorch-62
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Wait, so I can't ask any questions, but you can? Adam and Eve were in Paradise, God gave them the chance, and they decided to eat the fruit.

If you believe the Adam and Eve story, you open the following can of worms: 1) Dinosaurs. What the heck where they doing here if God created Earth in a few days and then put man on it when was finished? 2) The bible states that the earth is thousands of years old. We know now that it is in fact many many millions of years old. 3) Why did God put a talking snake in his paradise if he knew it would ruin everything?

inb4 "it's not a snake, it's a serpent"
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#342 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Anyone observing this debate can also see how the other side has failed as well. You have not shown any Compelling evidence against God Ninja-Hippo

Only no, because for the third time in this same thread, it is not the responsibility of others to prove that YOUR deity does or doesn't exist. You must convince me, not the other way around. A salesman tells you why you should buy his goods, he doesn't demand that you tell him why you shouldn't.

EDIT: and finally, failing to prove that God does not exist (which is impossible) in no way whatsoever offers theists a victory because just because you cannot prove he does not exist by no means proves that he DOES exist. You gain nothing.

Actually I provided evidence, you chose not to believe it. The other side has provided Zero evidence proving that God does't exist. Why is it my place to "Prove" God exists and not yours to prove HE doesn't?
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#343 -Sun_Tzu-
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"]Prove fact: The existence of god can nether be proven or disprove. It comes all down to faith. Prove me wrong.SolidSnake35

Premise 1: Incoherent concepts do not exist in any meaningful sense

Premise 2: The concept of God is incoherent

Therefore, God cannot and does not exist

Q.E.D.

There's a mistake in premise 2, I imagine.

And that mistake would be what, exactly? Ontologically speaking, the concept of God is a mess, especially gods like the Christian God, where you have a monotheistic God who is at the same time three different distinct, individual entities. A lot of coherency problems also arise with God's omnimax-ness; i.e. things like his omnipotence and his omni-benevolence. At best, the concept of God seems to be as meaningful as the concept of gfardjka.
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#344 Silenthps
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Wait, so I can't ask any questions, but you can? Adam and Eve were in Paradise, God gave them the chance, and they decided to eat the fruit. Ninja-Hippo
If you believe the Adam and Eve story, you open the following can of worms: 1) Dinosaurs. What the heck where they doing here if God created Earth in a few days and then put man on it when was finished? 2) The bible states that the earth is thousands of years old. We know now that it is in fact many many millions of years old. 3) Why did God put a talking snake in his paradise if he knew it would ruin everything?

1. they were here with man and they died with the flood

2. It's not a fact that its millions of years old, only faulty science says so

3. because he wanted it to ruin everything

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Actually I provided evidence, you chose not to believe it. The other side has provided Zero evidence proving that God does't exist. Why is it my place to "Prove" God exists and not yours to prove HE doesn't?Snipes_2
you can't prove a negative.
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Actually I provided evidence, you chose not to believe it. The other side has provided Zero evidence proving that God does't exist. Why is it my place to "Prove" God exists and not yours to prove HE doesn't?Snipes_2

What exactly would evidence proving that God doesn't exist look like?

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#347 SteveTabernacle
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Man wasn't put on earth Immediately, they were in Paradise, which was not earth. Time doesn't work the Same in Paradise, therefore, dinosaurs could have existed before God put Adam and Eve on Earth. The "Talking Snake" was the Devil, God didn't place the Devil there.

You're making that stuff up off the top of your head. Besides, even if your theoretical god character didn't PUT the talking snake there, he knew it was there, and he allowed it to be there and do what it did.
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#348 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="SteveTabernacle"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Then why debate in the first place and keep going? That's something that I'll never understand.

I didn't start this debate.

But you did keep going.

Am I just supposed to ignore something I disagree with?
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#349 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]Actually I provided evidence, you chose not to believe it. The other side has provided Zero evidence proving that God does't exist. Why is it my place to "Prove" God exists and not yours to prove HE doesn't?GabuEx

What exactly would evidence proving that God doesn't exist look like?

There isn't any, so I don't know.
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#350 Ninja-Hippo
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Man wasn't put on earth Immediately, they were in Paradise, which was not earth. Time doesn't work the Same in Paradise, therefore, dinosaurs could have existed before God put Adam and Eve on Earth. The "Talking Snake" was the Devil, God didn't place the Devil there.

Now you're getting your own scripture wrong. Paradise is not separate from Earth. Adam and Eve were placed on Earth on the sixth day.