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#401 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

And how do you know what is written in the Bible is true?

SgtKevali

How do you know it's not?

The auspice, again, is on you to prove it true, not for me to prove it "wrong". You can't disprove anything.

For example: I can't prove that pink fairies don't exist.

But the logical assumption isn't that they do exist. Until you prove something to be true or to exist, the logical step is not to believe in it.

I know the the Bible is true because it was written through the Holy Spirit.
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#402 Silenthps
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Silenthps"] i don't need to go to a lab to prove carbon dating is wrong. I can go to the Bible where it gives a genealogy from Adam to Christ and infer that carbon dating is wrong.

You cannot quote the bible to prove the things you get from the bible. :| You believe that the earth is 6000 years old then, based on what the bible says?

Well first, I believe what the Bible says because it's the most historically accurate collection of Books of all time filled with many prophecies and because the Lord has revealed himself to me through personal experience to confirm that what it says its true. And after believing that what it says is true, I am able to believe the earth is around 6k years old.
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#403 Ninja-Hippo
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] According to you the Bible is not a Good Source. Where did I quote the Bible, that could have been my interpretation. You said the Bible isn't true, yet you quote it.

Yes i quote it AGAINST your own arguments. :? I asked you to explain dinosaurs and the epic age of the earth and your response was that all that happened BEFORE god put adam and eve on earth and that they were in some other places outside of this planet called paradise. You completely made that up. So i used your OWN scripture to show you that you're wrong, because the bible says he made the earth in seven days and that on the sixth day he put adam and eve on the earth. This notion that they weren't actually there while the dinosaurs were around is completely your own invention. When WERE they there then? What year in the earth's timeline did God add adam and eve?
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#404 UbiquitousAeon
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Silenthps"] i don't need to go to a lab to prove carbon dating is wrong. I can go to the Bible where it gives a genealogy from Adam to Christ and infer that carbon dating is wrong.Silenthps
You cannot quote the bible to prove the things you get from the bible. :| You believe that the earth is 6000 years old then, based on what the bible says?

Well first, I believe what the Bible says because it's the most historically accurate collection of Books of all time filled with many prophecies and because the Lord has revealed himself to me through personal experience to confirm that what it says its true. And after believing that what it says is true, I am able to believe the earth is around 6k years old.

A high school history book is more accurate than the bible. And humans have been around for millions of years and the universe has been around for almost 14 billion years. Either way it's much older than 6 thousand years.

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#405 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]Or if I'm in another debate they'll use me leaving as a point against me. SteveTabernacle
... you think that's harm? Dude.... it's just an internet forum.

It's not Harmful. It's annoying.
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#406 Ninja-Hippo
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[QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Silenthps"] i don't need to go to a lab to prove carbon dating is wrong. I can go to the Bible where it gives a genealogy from Adam to Christ and infer that carbon dating is wrong.

You cannot quote the bible to prove the things you get from the bible. :| You believe that the earth is 6000 years old then, based on what the bible says?

Well first, I believe what the Bible says because it's the most historically accurate collection of Books of all time filled with many prophecies and because the Lord has revealed himself to me through personal experience to confirm that what it says its true. And after believing that what it says is true, I am able to believe the earth is around 6k years old.

Question: are your parents christian and do you live in a christian community?
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I know the the Bible is true because it was written through the Holy Spirit. Snipes_2

But the Qur'an is the final word of God. Making the Bible obsolete.

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#408 urdead18
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[QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Silenthps"] i don't need to go to a lab to prove carbon dating is wrong. I can go to the Bible where it gives a genealogy from Adam to Christ and infer that carbon dating is wrong.

You cannot quote the bible to prove the things you get from the bible. :| You believe that the earth is 6000 years old then, based on what the bible says?

Well first, I believe what the Bible says because it's the most historically accurate collection of Books of all time filled with many prophecies and because the Lord has revealed himself to me through personal experience to confirm that what it says its true. And after believing that what it says is true, I am able to believe the earth is around 6k years old.

:lol: I may be overusing that smiley, but that's what you make me do in real life. The Earth is not even close to 6K years old. It's a fact. I'm sorry. Out of curiosity, what's this personal experience?
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#409 Ninja-Hippo
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] I know the the Bible is true because it was written through the Holy Spirit.

That is circular reasoning of the exact same variety as 'the napkin god is the one true god because it says so on this napkin.'
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#411 urdead18
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]I know the the Bible is true because it was written through the Holy Spirit. Superbored

But the Qur'an is the final word of God. Making the Bible obsolete.

Wrong. The Napkin's scripture is the final word of God, making the Quran AND the Bible obsolete.
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[QUOTE="SteveTabernacle"][QUOTE="urdead18"]What? The napkin says no such thing.GabuEx

Yes, but MY napkin says it, and my napkin is the only right napkin, and your napkin is a heathen napkin that contains a corrupted scripture. Therefore, I now will found the first Napkin Protestant Church of Super Real Napkin God. I may also bomb your napkins.

Guys, may I just say how happy I am to see an alternate theory of God that for once is not the Flying Spaghetti Monster? :P

The napkin God is much more probable. Now in all seriousness, are you with me, or urdead18. (I mean clearly my napkin is the only right napkin, my napkin says so right here!) Good night yall, had a fun time! :D

Peace, it's what we all want.

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#413 GabuEx
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The house fly and the rose are separated by possibly billions of years, but you are placing them into the same genus?

deadpool86x

Genus? No. Domain.

Seriously, you're trying to argue biology and you don't know the difference between a genus and a domain? :?

You again, dont seem to be able to see past your own nose at what you are saying. You are saying that this matter that makes them related is self generating, that without programming it can code itself. Again, the ipod can suck songs into existence and program them to a specific setting without someone pressing the buttons.

deadpool86x

You can invent faulty analogies if you want, but that does not change the fact that even a rose and a house fly have traits in common. You challenged what I said, and I answered, case closed.

My explaination for the tailbone is that during the development of a fetus, it grows upward into the body which promotes spinal growth. Everything in the body is a switch for something else, something always activates another function. Sometimes the fetus is born with a soft tail and is the result of its inability to grow properly. Its very simple.

deadpool86x

No, it's not very simple; we have a tailbone - a bone whose function in every other animal is to support a tail - yet we have no tail. You are dodging the issue. A tailbone with no tail is a rather large problem if one wishes to argue in favor of design rather than evolution.

I didnt quote some of it because it was nonsense to me and nobody else addressed the issues you stated in 16 pages of text. There was no need as nobody really care for it at all because the majority bypassed it as nonsense and to be overlooked.

deadpool86x

"It was nonsense to me" as in you could not rebut it? Because the amount of stuff that you're replying to seems to be getting, um, shorter and shorter.

You can say I am not interested in things all you want GabuEx. But the fact of the matter is my mathematical representations of how things played out make sense. The universe appeared from nothing

nothing is 0

then something came to be

0+0=a number

How is that meaningless? Is it meaningless because you say it is and cannot explain it? Because in all of your posts so far you've failed to provide a shred of justification for anything ive asked?

deadpool86x

Science does not say that something came from nothing, so yes, what you are saying is meaningless as far as science is concerned, and you've previously said "God is 1" which was the part that was truly mathematically meaningless.

Your replies are short lived and reside inside the box.deadpool86x

If by "the box" you mean coherency and grounded in basic scientific understanding, then yes, I suppose my replies do reply inside "the box", which does not strike me as a particularly terrible place to be in.

You claim meaninglessness in my posts but i prove them to be worth something. maybe you should go ask your professors and mr hawkings to explain how the idea of the magic behind a god suddenly appearing is nonsense compared to the idea that the universe sprang into existence and wrote itself without it actually being self aware or alive. Oh wait...all atheists avoid that question and claim "WE DONT KNOW" well, if you dont know then why do you call yourself an atheist who doesnt believe in god?

lol, failure.

deadpool86x

A brief list of things regarding which people in history have said "I don't know, therefore God did it":

- Lightning

- Earthquakes

- Disease

- Celestial motion

- Stability of the solar system

The idea that a lack of understanding implies God is not one that has a terribly good track record.

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#414 Silenthps
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[QUOTE="Silenthps"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] Science is wrong because science is wrong is not a logical conclusion. If you would like to go into a lab and show that carbon dating is wrong, feel free. It isn't however. If you believe the world is indeed only 6000 years old, there is no point us continuing this any further as those are your beliefs and i'm not going to change them. :)Ninja-Hippo

i don't need to go to a lab to prove carbon dating is wrong. I can go to the Bible where it gives a genealogy from Adam to Christ and infer that carbon dating is wrong.

oh and its not "Science is wrong because science is wrong" its Scientist are wrong because they don't recognize the God of the Bible.

Question; are your parents christian and do you live in a christian community?

my dad isn't although he claims to believe in Jesus, he shows no signs of true belief. My mom im unsure if she's a true Christian or not since shes in love with those false prophets on TV who are only after your money. but I guess ill say she's religious. And no, im a free thinking 21 year old college student who has gone to secular schools all my life.
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Silenthps"] i don't need to go to a lab to prove carbon dating is wrong. I can go to the Bible where it gives a genealogy from Adam to Christ and infer that carbon dating is wrong.Silenthps
You cannot quote the bible to prove the things you get from the bible. :| You believe that the earth is 6000 years old then, based on what the bible says?

Well first, I believe what the Bible says because it's the most historically accurate collection of Books of all time filled with many prophecies and because the Lord has revealed himself to me through personal experience to confirm that what it says its true. And after believing that what it says is true, I am able to believe the earth is around 6k years old.

While I have serious issues with your claim that the bible is the most historically accurate collection of books of all time, even if I were to grant you that claim - how do you know it was the lord who revealed himself to you? What if it was Satan who actually revealed himself to you as an attempt to deceive you? How are you sure it was the Lord who revealed himself?

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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] According to you the Bible is not a Good Source. Where did I quote the Bible, that could have been my interpretation. You said the Bible isn't true, yet you quote it.

Yes i quote it AGAINST your own arguments. :? I asked you to explain dinosaurs and the epic age of the earth and your response was that all that happened BEFORE god put adam and eve on earth and that they were in some other places outside of this planet called paradise. You completely made that up. So i used your OWN scripture to show you that you're wrong, because the bible says he made the earth in seven days and that on the sixth day he put adam and eve on the earth. This notion that they weren't actually there while the dinosaurs were around is completely your own invention. When WERE they there then? What year in the earth's timeline did God add adam and eve?

If you're quoting it against my Arguments how does that make it any more legitimate? Who are you to say how I interpret my Scripture, if it's not true why can't I say whatever I want?
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#417 urdead18
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Silenthps"] i don't need to go to a lab to prove carbon dating is wrong. I can go to the Bible where it gives a genealogy from Adam to Christ and infer that carbon dating is wrong.

oh and its not "Science is wrong because science is wrong" its Scientist are wrong because they don't recognize the God of the Bible.

Silenthps

Question; are your parents christian and do you live in a christian community?

my dad isn't although he claims to believe in Jesus, he shows no signs of true belief. My mom im unsure if she's a true Christian or not since shes in love with those false prophets on TV who are only after your money. but I guess ill say she's religious. And no, im a free thinking 21 year old college student who has gone to secular schools all my life.

I don't believe you. I think you're a guy who gets kicks out of being as stereotypical as possible on the interwebz.

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#418 SgtKevali
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[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] How do you know it's not?

Snipes_2

The auspice, again, is on you to prove it true, not for me to prove it "wrong". You can't disprove anything.

For example: I can't prove that pink fairies don't exist.

But the logical assumption isn't that they do exist. Until you prove something to be true or to exist, the logical step is not to believe in it.

I know the the Bible is true because it was written through the Holy Spirit.

And furthermore, how do you know the Holy Spirit/God wrote it? Do you have proof?

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#419 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] I know the the Bible is true because it was written through the Holy Spirit.

That is circular reasoning of the exact same variety as 'the napkin god is the one true god because it says so on this napkin.'

In your opinion it is. I already answered your napkin argument multiple times, also posing questions.
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#420 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

The auspice, again, is on you to prove it true, not for me to prove it "wrong". You can't disprove anything.

For example: I can't prove that pink fairies don't exist.

But the logical assumption isn't that they do exist. Until you prove something to be true or to exist, the logical step is not to believe in it.

SgtKevali

I know the the Bible is true because it was written through the Holy Spirit.

And furthermore, how do you know the Holy Spirit/God wrote it? Do you have proof?

I said it was written THROUGH the Holy Spirit, you need to have Faith. You're saying that the bible is a group of different people collectively writing the same Story that meshes with one another?

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#421 Ninja-Hippo
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[QUOTE="Silenthps"] my dad isn't although he claims to believe in Jesus, he shows no signs of true belief. My mom im unsure if she's a true Christian or not since shes in love with those false prophets on TV who are only after your money. but I guess ill say she's religious. And no, im a free thinking 21 year old college student who has gone to secular schools all my life.

Both of your parents are religious, and both christians. One to the point where you say she watches prophets on TV. Now, i must pose the following question to you: If you were born not now, but a thousand years ago, and in Norway, your parents would be followers of Thor. You would quote the holy scripture of Thor and worship him as God, would you not? If you were born the exact same date that you currently were, but a few thousand miles to the east, you would be a Hindu and you would love and worship Ganesh wouldn't you? Because that's how you were brought up. Do you not consider that rather damaging of any sincere belief that your religion is the correct one?
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#422 urdead18
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[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] I know the the Bible is true because it was written through the Holy Spirit. Snipes_2

And furthermore, how do you know the Holy Spirit/God wrote it? Do you have proof?

I said it was written THROUGH the Holy Spirit, you need to have Faith. You're saying that the bible is a group of different people collectively writing the same Story that meshes with one another?

"You need to have faith." That's all what it boils down to huh?

Faith is a ridiculous reason to believe in anything IMO.

"This pencil is God, you MUST HAVE FAITH!"

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#423 Silenthps
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[QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] You cannot quote the bible to prove the things you get from the bible. :| You believe that the earth is 6000 years old then, based on what the bible says? -Sun_Tzu-

Well first, I believe what the Bible says because it's the most historically accurate collection of Books of all time filled with many prophecies and because the Lord has revealed himself to me through personal experience to confirm that what it says its true. And after believing that what it says is true, I am able to believe the earth is around 6k years old.

While I have serious issues with your claim that the bible is the most historically accurate collection of books of all time, even if I were to grant you that claim - how do you know it was the lord who revealed himself to you? What if it was Satan who actually revealed himself to you as an attempt to deceive you? How are you sure it was the Lord who revealed himself?

Because for Satan to do that he would have to be God.
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#424 Superbored
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[QUOTE="Superbored"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]I know the the Bible is true because it was written through the Holy Spirit. urdead18

But the Qur'an is the final word of God. Making the Bible obsolete.

Wrong. The Napkin's scripture is the final word of God, making the Quran AND the Bible obsolete.

I will blindly follow everything it says. Including page 17, which was written entirely in ketchup.

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Free will doesn't exist if there's an omniscient being involved.urdead18
That is far from certain. You might take free will to be compatible with determinism.
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I said it was written THROUGH the Holy Spirit, you need to have Faith. You're saying that the bible is a group of different people collectively writing the same Story that meshes with one another?Snipes_2
The bible doesn't mesh, like at all. For startes that god of the new testament is a completely different god then the one of the old testament. (kind benevolent god, vs cruel violent god)
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#427 Ninja-Hippo
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] I know the the Bible is true because it was written through the Holy Spirit.

That is circular reasoning of the exact same variety as 'the napkin god is the one true god because it says so on this napkin.'

In your opinion it is. I already answered your napkin argument multiple times, also posing questions.

You have not answered my napkin argument even once. >_> All you did was ask questions about the napkin god, which completely misses the point. If you answered my point, please do so again explaining to me how me quoting my holy scripture which says that a napkin god exists is any less proof of my god's existence than you quoting the bible. My holy napkins are exactly the same as the bible. They have stories, accounts, witnesses, miracles, everything you could ever ask for. They say that the one true god is the napkin god. Can i then just quote my napkins to prove that my god exists? No, because that's circular reasoning. And no, you have not addressed that point at any time.
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#428 -Sun_Tzu-
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="Silenthps"]Well first, I believe what the Bible says because it's the most historically accurate collection of Books of all time filled with many prophecies and because the Lord has revealed himself to me through personal experience to confirm that what it says its true. And after believing that what it says is true, I am able to believe the earth is around 6k years old. Silenthps

While I have serious issues with your claim that the bible is the most historically accurate collection of books of all time, even if I were to grant you that claim - how do you know it was the lord who revealed himself to you? What if it was Satan who actually revealed himself to you as an attempt to deceive you? How are you sure it was the Lord who revealed himself?

Because for Satan to do that he would have to be God.

And why is that?
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#429 SgtKevali
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[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] I know the the Bible is true because it was written through the Holy Spirit. Snipes_2

And furthermore, how do you know the Holy Spirit/God wrote it? Do you have proof?

I said it was written THROUGH the Holy Spirit, you need to have Faith. You're saying that the bible is a group of different people collectively writing the same Story that meshes with one another?

So in conclusion, you have no evidence, and rely on circular logic? Oh and the Bible has loads of contradictions, so the second part of your statement doesn't hold up. You're asking me to believe in something without evidence?

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#430 urdead18
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[QUOTE="urdead18"][QUOTE="Superbored"]

But the Qur'an is the final word of God. Making the Bible obsolete.

Superbored

Wrong. The Napkin's scripture is the final word of God, making the Quran AND the Bible obsolete.

I will blindly follow everything it says. Including page 17, which was written entirely in ketchup.

What of the mustard page, 24, that speaks of the Mighty God flooding the Earth with mustard when he could've just poofed the evil out of existence because he's apparently omnipotent?
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I said it was written THROUGH the Holy Spirit, you need to have Faith. You're saying that the bible is a group of different people collectively writing the same Story that meshes with one another?

Snipes_2
Eh, they don't mesh at all. The bible has been largely edited by the catholic church, and indeed several gospels were destroyed and removed from the bible by the church.
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#432 GabuEx
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You're saying that the bible is a group of different people collectively writing the same Story that meshes with one another?

Snipes_2

I didn't really want to wade into this argument, but... if it meshes with one another so well, what was the last thing Jesus said on the cross before dying, and what happened to Judas after he betrayed Jesus?

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#433 Silenthps
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Silenthps"] my dad isn't although he claims to believe in Jesus, he shows no signs of true belief. My mom im unsure if she's a true Christian or not since shes in love with those false prophets on TV who are only after your money. but I guess ill say she's religious. And no, im a free thinking 21 year old college student who has gone to secular schools all my life.

Both of your parents are religious, and both christians. One to the point where you say she watches prophets on TV. Now, i must pose the following question to you: If you were born not now, but a thousand years ago, and in Norway, your parents would be followers of Thor. You would quote the holy scripture of Thor and worship him as God, would you not? If you were born the exact same date that you currently were, but a few thousand miles to the east, you would be a Hindu and you would love and worship Ganesh wouldn't you? Because that's how you were brought up. Do you not consider that rather damaging of any sincere belief that your religion is the correct one?

So now you know both of my parents more than me? And why should I consider that damaging?
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#434 Darth-Caedus
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="Silenthps"]Well first, I believe what the Bible says because it's the most historically accurate collection of Books of all time filled with many prophecies and because the Lord has revealed himself to me through personal experience to confirm that what it says its true. And after believing that what it says is true, I am able to believe the earth is around 6k years old. Silenthps

While I have serious issues with your claim that the bible is the most historically accurate collection of books of all time, even if I were to grant you that claim - how do you know it was the lord who revealed himself to you? What if it was Satan who actually revealed himself to you as an attempt to deceive you? How are you sure it was the Lord who revealed himself?

Because for Satan to do that he would have to be God.

For all intents and purposes he is a god, and christianity is a polytheistic religion.
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#435 urdead18
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

You're saying that the bible is a group of different people collectively writing the same Story that meshes with one another?

GabuEx

I didn't really want to wade into this argument, but... if it meshes with one another so well, what was the last thing Jesus said on the cross before dying, and what happened to Judas after he betrayed Jesus?

Speaking of Judas, if Jesus was God why didn't he know that he would be betrayed seeing as he's omniscient?
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#436 GabuEx
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Because for Satan to do that he would have to be God.Silenthps

I have had fundamentalist Christians tell me point blank that what I believe was delivered to me by Satan, despite the fact that it caused overwhelming joy and love for God in my heart, purely because they disagreed with its doctrine.

Satan seems to be much better at delivering doctrine to someone than the Holy Spirit, really, considering the number of people who are claimed to be deceived by Satan as opposed to having their eyes opened by the Holy Spirit.

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#437 Hewkii
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Speaking of Judas, if Jesus was God why didn't he know that he would be betrayed seeing as he's omniscient?urdead18
he actually said he forgave Judas before he was arrested. the better question is, is Judas in Heaven or Hell?
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#438 Silenthps
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[QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] While I have serious issues with your claim that the bible is the most historically accurate collection of books of all time, even if I were to grant you that claim - how do you know it was the lord who revealed himself to you? What if it was Satan who actually revealed himself to you as an attempt to deceive you? How are you sure it was the Lord who revealed himself?

-Sun_Tzu-

Because for Satan to do that he would have to be God.

And why is that?

Because it goes completely against the nature of satan. Only the Holy Spirit can reveal Christ to his elect.

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#439 Ninja-Hippo
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[QUOTE="Silenthps"]So now you know both of my parents more than me? And why should I consider that damaging?

No i don't know them more than you, that's why i just asked you if they were christian. :? And it's damaging because you believe in your god and your religion only because of the complete chance that you just so happened to be born in a largely christian nation by christian parents. Like i said, if you were born in India you would 90% more likely be a hindu. If you were born in Viking Norway you would worship Thor.
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#440 Hewkii
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Because it goes completely against the nature of satan. Only the Holy Spirit can reveal Christ to his elect.

Silenthps
except that whole 'anti-christ' thing...
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#441 coolbeans90
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[QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] Science is wrong because science is wrong is not a logical conclusion. If you would like to go into a lab and show that carbon dating is wrong, feel free. It isn't however. If you believe the world is indeed only 6000 years old, there is no point us continuing this any further as those are your beliefs and i'm not going to change them. :)urdead18
i don't need to go to a lab to prove carbon dating is wrong. I can go to the Bible where it gives a genealogy from Adam to Christ and infer that carbon dating is wrong.

:lol: You keep getting funnier the more you post. Listen, I'll go and write a book from...the Great Napkin to the Bean to the human and we'll all go worship it, kay?

I am the thy lord almighty bean, thou shalt not have false napkins before me.

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#442 urdead18
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Silenthps"]Because for Satan to do that he would have to be God.Silenthps

And why is that?

Because it goes completely against the nature of satan. Only the Holy Spirit can reveal Christ to his elect.

God and Satan are above the laws of nature, apparently. Anyways, good night everyone.
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#443 urdead18
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[QUOTE="urdead18"][QUOTE="Silenthps"] i don't need to go to a lab to prove carbon dating is wrong. I can go to the Bible where it gives a genealogy from Adam to Christ and infer that carbon dating is wrong.coolbeans90

:lol: You keep getting funnier the more you post. Listen, I'll go and write a book from...the Great Napkin to the Bean to the human and we'll all go worship it, kay?

I am the thy lord almighty bean, thou shalt not have false napkins before me.

:shock: You cannot be the lord almighty, for only a napkin is capable of that title! To waaaarrr!
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#444 -Sun_Tzu-
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] While I have serious issues with your claim that the bible is the most historically accurate collection of books of all time, even if I were to grant you that claim - how do you know it was the lord who revealed himself to you? What if it was Satan who actually revealed himself to you as an attempt to deceive you? How are you sure it was the Lord who revealed himself?

Silenthps

Because for Satan to do that he would have to be God.

And why is that?

Because it goes completely against the nature of satan. Only the Holy Spirit can reveal Christ to his elect.

And how do you know that Christ and even the bible aren't just part of some ploy being orchestrated by the devil to deceive you? How are you so sure that these things are the products of God?
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#445 coolbeans90
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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="urdead18"] :lol: You keep getting funnier the more you post. Listen, I'll go and write a book from...the Great Napkin to the Bean to the human and we'll all go worship it, kay?urdead18

I am the thy lord almighty bean, thou shalt not have false napkins before me.

:shock: You cannot be the lord almighty, for only a napkin is capable of that title! To waaaarrr!

*turns urdead19 into pillar of salt*

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#446 Silenthps
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Silenthps"]So now you know both of my parents more than me? And why should I consider that damaging?

No i don't know them more than you, that's why i just asked you if they were christian. :? And it's damaging because you believe in your god and your religion only because of the complete chance that you just so happened to be born in a largely christian nation by christian parents. Like i said, if you were born in India you would 90% more likely be a hindu. If you were born in Viking Norway you would worship Thor.

So now you know my parents more than me and me more than me. But regardless of that, I still fail to see your point. It doesn't make Christianity any less valid.
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#447 Silenthps
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And how do you know that Christ and even the bible aren't just part of some ploy being orchestrated by the devil to deceive you? How are you so sure that these things are the products of God? -Sun_Tzu-
I thought you said you were going to grant me that claim that the Bible is the most historically accurate collection of books of all time? ;)

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#448 -Sun_Tzu-
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I thought you said you were going to grant me that claim that the Bible is the most historically accurate collection of books of all time? ;)Silenthps
What does that have to do with the authorship of the bible? It is a non sequitar to say that God wrote the bible just because the bible is the most accurate collection of books of all time.
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#449 Silenthps
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[QUOTE="Silenthps"]Because for Satan to do that he would have to be God.GabuEx

I have had fundamentalist Christians tell me point blank that what I believe was delivered to me by Satan, despite the fact that it caused overwhelming joy and love for God in my heart, purely because they disagreed with its doctrine.

Satan seems to be much better at delivering doctrine to someone than the Holy Spirit, really, considering the number of people who are claimed to be deceived by Satan as opposed to having their eyes opened by the Holy Spirit.

Which God are you having overwhelming joy and love for? Because if its not the God of scriptures then it's an idol which is exactly what satan would want you to do.
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#450 Ninja-Hippo
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Silenthps"]So now you know both of my parents more than me? And why should I consider that damaging?Silenthps
No i don't know them more than you, that's why i just asked you if they were christian. :? And it's damaging because you believe in your god and your religion only because of the complete chance that you just so happened to be born in a largely christian nation by christian parents. Like i said, if you were born in India you would 90% more likely be a hindu. If you were born in Viking Norway you would worship Thor.

So now you know my parents more than me and me more than me. But regardless of that, I still fail to see your point. It doesn't make Christianity any less valid.

I have not said anything of you or your parents other than what you just told me; that you're all christian. That is all i asked and all i needed to know. And do you REALLY fail to see the point or do you just refuse to acknowledge it?

The question is a simple one; how can a person seriously declare that their beliefs are true when the only reason they hold those beliefs are because of the sheer coincidence that they happened to be born to parents who also held those beliefs and naturally passed them on? Had you been born elsewhere, your beliefs would very likely be completely different. Does that not damage the legitimacy of those beliefs, when they are most of the time entirely governed by the complete chance of where and when you're born?

Beck (the musician) is a scientologist. The only reason he is a scientologist is because his father was his scientologist. Had his father not been a scientologist, and had rather been a christian, he would likely now have a COMPLETLEY DIFFERENT set of beliefs.


Do you not acknowledge that at all as a powerful argument against religion?