[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]So, we aren't. Hewkiilast time I looked we are. We aren't all likened after multiple Gods. Do you see anyone walking around that looks like Zeus or Apollo?
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[QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"]So, we aren't. Snipes_2last time I looked we are. We aren't all likened after multiple Gods. Do you see anyone walking around that looks like Zeus or Apollo? Those are mere human depictions of the Lord Almighty Zeus. We don't really know what he looks like because we've never seen him.
[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] I already did. Ninja-HippoNah, you didn't. You missed the point and started asking all kinds of questions about the Napkin God, which was not the purpose. To summarise: 1) You claim God exists, and you cite the bible which says he exists as proof that he indeed does. 2) So i say that i believe in the Napkin God, and that i can prove that because it says so right here on a napkin. The point? You cannot prove a religious deity exists by quoting the book devoted to that deity which says he does. That just doesn't make any sense. Like i said earlier, it'd be like me writing a book called 'why the earth is made of cheese' and then quoting my own book when i try to argue with you that i'm right.
You can't trust the Bible though. Theres a whole nother religion saying its the new trendy, updated, last edition, of the one true religion of God.
[QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"]Must must there be more than one? IF there was more than one wouldn't we all be created in different images?Snipes_2yeah, probably. so? So, we aren't. That's why there's only one God who created us in His image. Perhaps God did not create us in his image. It could be that Dinosaurs were created in Gods image, it's very possible that we are not Gods main creation. Just because we appear to be the most intelligent life on this planet, doesn't mean God created us in his image. Also, if he is infinite in power maybe everything that is created is in his image. Or maybe like this is all BS and God doesn't have a set design and this all came about after billions of years of change.
What's your scientific theory? I doubt that even if you knew of one, you wouldn't understand it.SolidSnake35
Thoughout human history, there have always been things we didn't understand and which we gave to the gods as something that was in their domain. Used to be lightning, then celestial motion, then the stability of the universe... this is really no different. Every time, we explained something with "God", then we found the real answer. The god-of-the-gaps argument does not have a very good track record, to say the least. Quite frankly I think it's a rather strong insult to God, really, to suppose that his proper place is just a temporary placeholder for that which we don't understand.
[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]How is that so? If you don't believe in something you've got to have a reason why you don't. He just "Can't Exist" because you don't find it comprehensible that such a being exists. GabuEx
I have never met an atheist who, when pressed, will stick by the statement that God can't exist and that he definitely doesn't. Atheism is the stance that there is no evidence that ought to lead one to believe in God, not that God definitely does not exist.
That's odd, every atheist I've ever met, completely denies the existence of a god and the possibility of one.[QUOTE="UbiquitousAeon"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] Omnipotence doesn't mean the power to do everything.SolidSnake35Omnipotence generally means infinite in power, at least when we are talking about God. Well yes but even infinite power doesn't entail the power to do absolutely everything because that's not coherent. If theists were to assert that they'd be shooting themselves in the foot. Omnipotence has to be understood in a certain way.
It's not coherent because infinite power doesn't make sense. For example, can an omnipotent being create a rock so heavy he cannot lift it? If said omnipotent being is beyond logic or reason, shouldn't he be able to do so?
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]How is that so? If you don't believe in something you've got to have a reason why you don't. He just "Can't Exist" because you don't find it comprehensible that such a being exists. racer8dan
I have never met an atheist who, when pressed, will stick by the statement that God can't exist and that he definitely doesn't. Atheism is the stance that there is no evidence that ought to lead one to believe in God, not that God definitely does not exist.
That's odd, every atheist I've ever met, completely denies the existence of a god and the possibility of one.Any god at all, or the Christian God?
[QUOTE="topgunmv"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] They don't though, there are dozens of them and they fight amongst each other. Snipes_2
Why must there only be one god?
Must must there be more than one? IF there was more than one wouldn't we all be created in different images?A white male god, a white female god, a black male god, a black female god, and so on and so forth.[QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"]So, we aren't. Snipes_2last time I looked we are. We aren't all likened after multiple Gods. Do you see anyone walking around that looks like Zeus or Apollo?
Well here is Zeus...
And here is a guy who looks just like Zeus...
What? The napkin says no such thing.urdead18Yes, but MY napkin says it, and my napkin is the only right napkin, and your napkin is a heathen napkin that contains a corrupted scripture. Therefore, I now will found the first Napkin Protestant Church of Super Real Napkin God. I may also bomb your napkins.
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]How is that so? If you don't believe in something you've got to have a reason why you don't. He just "Can't Exist" because you don't find it comprehensible that such a being exists. racer8dan
I have never met an atheist who, when pressed, will stick by the statement that God can't exist and that he definitely doesn't. Atheism is the stance that there is no evidence that ought to lead one to believe in God, not that God definitely does not exist.
That's odd, every atheist I've ever met, completely denies the existence of a god and the possibility of one.Correct me if I'm wrong but Atheist believe there is no God, while Agnostics believe you can not prove or disprove his existence.
We aren't all likened after multiple Gods. Do you see anyone walking around that looks like Zeus or Apollo?[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Hewkii"] last time I looked we are.Ninja-Hippo
Well here is Zeus...
And here is a guy who looks just like Zeus...
You're using Darwin as an Example? That doesn't look anything like Zeus. Maybe you liken him to the Image of Zeus, but he still doesn't look like him.[QUOTE="urdead18"]What? The napkin says no such thing.SteveTabernacleYes, but MY napkin says it, and my napkin is the only right napkin, and your napkin is a heathen napkin that contains a corrupted scripture. Therefore, I now will found the first Napkin Protestant Church of Super Real Napkin God. I may also bomb your napkins.
Guys, may I just say how happy I am to see an alternate theory of God that for once is not the Flying Spaghetti Monster? :P
[QUOTE="urdead18"]What? The napkin says no such thing.SteveTabernacleYes, but MY napkin says it, and my napkin is the only right napkin, and your napkin is a heathen napkin that contains a corrupted scripture. Therefore, I now will found the first Napkin Protestant Church of Super Real Napkin God. I may also bomb your napkins. Your napkin is clearly mistaken. Obviously, there is no other correct napkin such as my own. We will fight, and only the one that holds the true napkin shall prevail.
That's odd, every atheist I've ever met, completely denies the existence of a god and the possibility of one.[QUOTE="racer8dan"]
[QUOTE="GabuEx"]
I have never met an atheist who, when pressed, will stick by the statement that God can't exist and that he definitely doesn't. Atheism is the stance that there is no evidence that ought to lead one to believe in God, not that God definitely does not exist.
GabuEx
Any god at all, or the Christian God?
Any god[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]
[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] We aren't all likened after multiple Gods. Do you see anyone walking around that looks like Zeus or Apollo?Snipes_2
Well here is Zeus...
And here is a guy who looks just like Zeus...
You're using Darwin as an Example? That doesn't look anything like Zeus. Maybe you liken him to the Image of Zeus, but he still doesn't look like him. He has long white hair and a shabby white beard. They look very similar. Are you saying that he must look EXACTLY like Zeus? That's funny... because clearly we don't look EXACTLY like your God because we all look completely different. :| How does that work, then?[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="topgunmv"]Must must there be more than one? IF there was more than one wouldn't we all be created in different images?A white male god, a white female god, a black male god, a black female god, and so on and so forth. That would be impossible. We would have to be created in all of their image, everyone would have to be part of every other God to be created in their image.Why must there only be one god?
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Yes, but MY napkin says it, and my napkin is the only right napkin, and your napkin is a heathen napkin that contains a corrupted scripture. Therefore, I now will found the first Napkin Protestant Church of Super Real Napkin God. I may also bomb your napkins.[QUOTE="SteveTabernacle"][QUOTE="urdead18"]What? The napkin says no such thing.GabuEx
Guys, may I just say how happy I am to see an alternate theory of God that for once is not the Flying Spaghetti Monster? :P
How about a sock? I've always wanted to worship a sock.Yes, but MY napkin says it, and my napkin is the only right napkin, and your napkin is a heathen napkin that contains a corrupted scripture. Therefore, I now will found the first Napkin Protestant Church of Super Real Napkin God. I may also bomb your napkins.[QUOTE="SteveTabernacle"][QUOTE="urdead18"]What? The napkin says no such thing.GabuEx
Guys, may I just say how happy I am to see an alternate theory of God that for once is not the Flying Spaghetti Monster? :P
The napkin God is way easier to prove. :PIf Dinosaurs were Gods creation why aren't they still around today?Snipes_2There was a Dino-Rapture.
You're using Darwin as an Example? That doesn't look anything like Zeus. Maybe you liken him to the Image of Zeus, but he still doesn't look like him.Snipes_2Humans don't look identical, Zeus looks like a human male, Darwin looks like a human male. Darwin is the image of Zeus as much as you are of Yahweh.
A white male god, a white female god, a black male god, a black female god, and so on and so forth. That would be impossible. We would have to be created in all of their image, everyone would have to be part of every other God to be created in their image.[QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Must must there be more than one? IF there was more than one wouldn't we all be created in different images?Snipes_2
So what's the conclusion you draw? Either the amount of gods is increasing with each birth, or the whole "created in his image" stuff doesn't make sense.
Correct me if I'm wrong but Atheist believe there is no God, while Agnostics believe you can not prove or disprove his existence.SuperboredMilitant atheists, sure. Most typical educated atheists believe their is a high probability he does not exist, while agnostics believe their is a 50/50 chance either way.
[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]You're using Darwin as an Example? That doesn't look anything like Zeus. Maybe you liken him to the Image of Zeus, but he still doesn't look like him. He has long white hair and a shabby white beard. They look very similar. Are you saying that he must look EXACTLY like Zeus? That's funny... because clearly we don't look EXACTLY like your God because we all look completely different. :| How does that work, then? So, You're saying that everyone with White Hair and a Beard looks like Zeus? Everyone that can grow hair is basically Zeus.[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]
Well here is Zeus...
And here is a guy who looks just like Zeus...
Ninja-Hippo
[QUOTE="deadpool86x"]
Sorry, but wrong. If you name me any two organisms on Earth, I can list you all of their common traits.
Ok, common house fly and a Rose.
Youor claim is false.
Your opinion, not fact
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5. Once again, that is not a logical defense in the slightest. You again think that one mutated creature in a species that is composed of possible hundreds of billions like insects, repopulated the entire species with that one trait that lingered onward for billions of years. Sorry, but flies that exist in Russia adapted the same traits as those found in Canada. Separated by thousands of miles and subjected to different conditions but all of them adapted the same way? You think because we have remnants of a tailbone that we are somehow related to another species? Thats not at all proven or scientific fact and is 100% fabricated opinion.
GabuEx
If we did not evolve from an animal with a tail, then why do we have a tailbone?
well, you think its possible for things to naturally occur, so i believe that our traits naturally came to be. There is a need for it, permits limited movement between the sacrum and the coccyx. I don't think we evolved it from anything else, i think its a vital part of the human structure.
If flightless birds did not evolve from birds that flew, then why do they have hollow bones?
Since when to genetic mutations make sense all the time? Your argument for that is the same as a group of incestuous kids having more kids with more horrid mutations and spawning off a new type of human.
No offense, but I believe that you are being wilfully ignorant here: you are not even attempting to understand anything at all, and are merely attempting to understand the barest essentials of the argument so you can attempt to mount a rebuttal.
I am in fact trying to understand the views of others. You seem to be unable to think outside the box and are proving the point i made in my first post where i said why do they always reply with "OH YA, well why is this or that then???" Thats not a valid excuse for your beliefs, if anything is willfully ignorant, it would be the person who keeps says "Oh ya, well how come they have this or that trait?" If you cant think for yourself, dont post, and your inability to explain it doesnt justify anyone not believe in god doing it all
Getting back to what this was about, I believe that evolution is set forth by a control, a god or whatever you wish to call it. I do not believe that 0 can produce a number that not only repeats itself infinitely, but is a specific number that adapted itself to fit the conditions around it on a universal scale. The day you can justify 0+0=any number is the day I wont believe in god.
the idea that God is 1 and always existed is mathematically and scientifically accurate, and that 1 always existed and created. 1+x=y
the idea that there is no god and the universe always existed as a singularity represented by 0, but then created something else on an infinitely repeating and SPECIFIC to the needs of life at the start of all things is NONSENSE. 0+0=0. Those who dont believe in god denounce all mathematics. the idea that nothing created itself and then something else and again something else repeating a specific number
deadpool86x
What you have just said here is a meaningless ad hoc combination of science and mathematics that is neither valid science nor valid mathematics, and as such there is nothing even here for me to rebut, as you have made no coherent claims that can be rebutted.
Once again, your opinion. While flawed and its apparent you dont have the ability to think outside the box, all I can say it continue thinking 0+0= a complex number. I believe math is law and cant be changed, you believe that on a tuesday 15 billion years ago these math laws didnt exist or could be broken for a short time.
That would be impossible. We would have to be created in all of their image, everyone would have to be part of every other God to be created in their image.[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]
[QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"]A white male god, a white female god, a black male god, a black female god, and so on and so forth. SgtKevali
So what's the conclusion you draw? Either there are an infinite amount of gods, or the whole "created in his image" stuff doesn't make sense.
If there were an Infinite amount of Gods each of us would have to have a part of that God in us.Well yes but even infinite power doesn't entail the power to do absolutely everything because that's not coherent. If theists were to assert that they'd be shooting themselves in the foot. Omnipotence has to be understood in a certain way.[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="UbiquitousAeon"]Omnipotence generally means infinite in power, at least when we are talking about God. SgtKevali
It's not coherent because infinite power doesn't make sense. For example, can an omnipotent being create a rock so heavy he cannot lift it? If said omnipotent being is beyond logic or reason, shouldn't he be able to do so?
He can create a rock so heavy... but upon doing so, he loses his omnipotence. Omnipotence is infinite power from within a logical framework. God can't make a river flood for the first time if it flooded last week already. God can't make 2+2=3 without changing the rules of mathematics. If you want omnipotence to entail those things then we may as well end the debate now. If God is to be omnipotent, God doesn't exist.[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]If Dinosaurs were Gods creation why aren't they still around today?Darth-CaedusThere was a Dino-Rapture.
You're using Darwin as an Example? That doesn't look anything like Zeus. Maybe you liken him to the Image of Zeus, but he still doesn't look like him.Snipes_2Humans don't look identical, Zeus looks like a human male, Darwin looks like a human male. Darwin is the image of Zeus as much as you are of Yahweh. Yahweh is not the Christian God. So, you're saying every male looks like Zeus? What about the other Gods?
[QUOTE="SgtKevali"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] Well yes but even infinite power doesn't entail the power to do absolutely everything because that's not coherent. If theists were to assert that they'd be shooting themselves in the foot. Omnipotence has to be understood in a certain way.SolidSnake35
It's not coherent because infinite power doesn't make sense. For example, can an omnipotent being create a rock so heavy he cannot lift it? If said omnipotent being is beyond logic or reason, shouldn't he be able to do so?
God doesn't exist. I agree.You're using Darwin as an Example? That doesn't look anything like Zeus. Maybe you liken him to the Image of Zeus, but he still doesn't look like him.Snipes_2Humans don't look identical, Zeus looks like a human male, Darwin looks like a human male. Darwin is the image of Zeus as much as you are of Yahweh. Yahweh is not the Christian God. So, you're saying every male looks like Zeus? What about the other Gods? Why would an inifinite being require worship?
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