I don't see Belgium doing something like this. Hindu people are allowed to carry a dagger around.It has something to do with their religion.I'm not sure what. They can carry it around at school.
Good. Women shouldn't be forced to cover their faces.Head_of_games
deciding how people should live in separate cultures.. is nothing less than Tyranny and intolerance. Especially, considering wearing a veil.. isn't killing anybody.
[QUOTE="Head_of_games"]Good. Women shouldn't be forced to cover their faces.EMOEVOLUTION
deciding how people should live in separate cultures.. is nothing less than Tyranny and intolerance. Especially, considering wearing a veil.. isn't killing anybody. I'm not trying to decide how anyone lives. I'm doing the opposite, I don't want radical fathers and husbands making their wives cover their faces. Seems rather sexist to me.
Let Muslims live the way they want to. If a woman wants to wear it, then let her! It's not like the men are forcing women to wear these things in a society like France.
If Muslim woman want to wear a burqa let her. Can someone please care to explain to me how this is offensive?
zAhMaDz
Obviously, this post contains generalizations that will not be true for everyone. That said, France is very much a secularized, religiously neutral country. The idea of extremism of any kind is very scary to them. Most see the Burqa as a way to cling to a religion they view as outdated and a failure to conform to "French culture." There is a lot of anti-foreign sentiment in France right now, mostly over the fear that outsiders will take their jobs.
[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"][QUOTE="Head_of_games"]Good. Women shouldn't be forced to cover their faces.Head_of_games
deciding how people should live in separate cultures.. is nothing less than Tyranny and intolerance. Especially, considering wearing a veil.. isn't killing anybody. I'm not trying to decide how anyone lives. I'm doing the opposite, I don't want radical fathers and husbands making their wives cover their faces. Seems rather sexist to me. Ethnocentrism is the tendency to believe that one's ethnic or cultural group is centrally important, and that all other groups are measured in relation to one's own sexual behavior. The ethnocentric individual will judge other groups relative to their own particular ethnic group or culture, especially with concern to language, behavior, customs, and religion. from Wikipedia This is what you're displaying.. and it has nothing to do with protecting women from sexism.
[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"][QUOTE="Head_of_games"]Good. Women shouldn't be forced to cover their faces.Head_of_games
deciding how people should live in separate cultures.. is nothing less than Tyranny and intolerance. Especially, considering wearing a veil.. isn't killing anybody. I'm not trying to decide how anyone lives. I'm doing the opposite, I don't want radical fathers and husbands making their wives cover their faces. Seems rather sexist to me. Some women like to wear it as part of tradition or because it makes them feel secure. Extremism has nothing to do with it.
Allow me to highlight why this is idiotic: France is outlawing an article of clothing.
[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"][QUOTE="Head_of_games"][QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"] deciding how people should live in separate cultures.. is nothing less than Tyranny and intolerance. Especially, considering wearing a veil.. isn't killing anybody. I'm not trying to decide how anyone lives. I'm doing the opposite, I don't want radical fathers and husbands making their wives cover their faces. Seems rather sexist to me. Ethnocentrism is the tendency to believe that one's ethnic or cultural group is centrally important, and that all other groups are measured in relation to one's own sexual behavior. The ethnocentric individual will judge other groups relative to their own particular ethnic group or culture, especially with concern to language, behavior, customs, and religion. from Wikipedia This is what you're displaying.. and it has nothing to do with protecting women from sexism.It's kinda sexist in itself, really. Passing a law that infringes on a woman's rights?
[QUOTE="CHOASXIII"]Good, about time someone stood up and did something about that stupidity.zAhMaDz
Care to explain on why you think wearing a part of clothing that the woman enjoys wearing is stupid?
I will not express my personal feelings about Muslims on here because I will probably get moderated or something but in my opinion I think that wearing those things are ridiculous and I doubt most of the women want to wear them.
Some Muslim countries force women to wear the burka ( in public )no matter what religion they follow. So France takes the opposite stand. If the muslims dont like it, they should move.
Some Muslim countries force women to wear the burka ( in public )no matter what religion they follow. So France takes the opposite stand. If the muslims dont like it, they should move.
Some Muslim countries force women to wear the burka ( in public )no matter what religion they follow. So France takes the opposite stand. If the muslims dont like it, they should move.
Videodogg
Lol the burka isn't enforced at all. And what's wrong with wearing a scarf?
I don't know if some Muslim women actually want to wear a burqa - some probably do, but there are certainly a significant number of women in France who are being forced to wear this oppressive, humiliating garment. Now whether or not this justifies an outright ban on the burqa; it's not the perfect policy, but I think it's a policy that is good enough. There is no other realistic way to identify which women are being forced to wear burqas and which are not.
I don't know if some Muslim women actually want to wear a burqa - some probably do, but there are certainly a significant number of women in France who are being forced to wear this oppressive, humiliating garment. Now whether or not this justifies an outright ban on the burqa; it's not the perfect policy, but I think it's a policy that is good enough.
-Sun_Tzu-
You'd be surprised how many actually willfully wear it. That said, I also despise the burka.
I don't know if some Muslim women actually want to wear a burqa - some probably do, but there are certainly a significant number of women in France who are being forced to wear this oppressive, humiliating garment. Now whether or not this justifies an outright ban on the burqa; it's not the perfect policy, but I think it's a policy that is good enough.
I don't know if some Muslim women actually want to wear a burqa - some probably do, but there are certainly a significant number of women in France who are being forced to wear this oppressive, humiliating garment. Now whether or not this justifies an outright ban on the burqa; it's not the perfect policy, but I think it's a policy that is good enough.
I don't know if some Muslim women actually want to wear a burqa - some probably do, but there are certainly a significant number of women in France who are being forced to wear this oppressive, humiliating garment. Now whether or not this justifies an outright ban on the burqa; it's not the perfect policy, but I think it's a policy that is good enough.
-Sun_Tzu-
well, except most Muslims are first generation immigrants who are more likely to voluntary wear it as being 'forced' to.
I don't know if some Muslim women actually want to wear a burqa - some probably do, but there are certainly a significant number of women in France who are being forced to wear this oppressive, humiliating garment. Now whether or not this justifies an outright ban on the burqa; it's not the perfect policy, but I think it's a policy that is good enough.
PannicAtack
It's outlawing an article of clothing. Well I think that's pretty obvious - that's the entire point.
I don't know if some Muslim women actually want to wear a burqa - some probably do, but there are certainly a significant number of women in France who are being forced to wear this oppressive, humiliating garment. Now whether or not this justifies an outright ban on the burqa; it's not the perfect policy, but I think it's a policy that is good enough.
-Sun_Tzu-
It's outlawing an article of clothing. Well I think that's pretty obvious - that's the entire point. But how does it not sound completely idiotic?
nice! a history n00b. you might consider the fact that the usa lost a dump load of wars in the recent years... as a whole france has a far superior success rate than the us at winning conflicts.... but i guess you'll quote me and add that idiotic google glitch remark._7h0m_
I don't know if some Muslim women actually want to wear a burqa - some probably do, but there are certainly a significant number of women in France who are being forced to wear this oppressive, humiliating garment. Now whether or not this justifies an outright ban on the burqa; it's not the perfect policy, but I think it's a policy that is good enough.
Hewkii
well, except most Muslims are first generation immigrants who are more likely to voluntary wear it as being 'forced' to. Let's assume that's true - there are still a significant number of women who are being forced in some way to wear the burqa, and those that ARE wearing it voluntarily are providing cover to that oppression, in the same manner that most people in banks who are wearing ski masks would be providing cover to a minority of people in ski masks who want to rob a bank.
[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"] It's outlawing an article of clothing. Well I think that's pretty obvious - that's the entire point. But how does it not sound completely idiotic?au contraire it sounds marvelous to my ears!
[QUOTE="_7h0m_"]nice! a history n00b. you might consider the fact that the usa lost a dump load of wars in the recent years... as a whole france has a far superior success rate than the us at winning conflicts.... but i guess you'll quote me and add that idiotic google glitch remark.Omni-Slash
[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"] It's outlawing an article of clothing. Well I think that's pretty obvious - that's the entire point. But how does it not sound completely idiotic? Is it idiotic to outlaw walking into a bank with a ski mask on? I'd say it isn't, and that the same principle applies here.
[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Well I think that's pretty obvious - that's the entire point. -Sun_Tzu-
But how does it not sound completely idiotic? Is it idiotic to outlaw walking into a bank with a ski mask on? I'd say it isn't, and that the same principle applies here. Right, because cultural garments are perfectly comparable to armed robbery.
it should be....it was your rebuttle...:roll:...but I'm going to assume that you thought the Maginot Line was a great achievement and sound wartime strategy.......
Let's assume that's true - there are still a significant number of women who are being forced in some way to wear the burqa, and those that ARE wearing it voluntarily are providing cover to that oppression.-Sun_Tzu-
just because some Irishmen may feel pressured into drinking doesn't mean we should ban alcohol.
[QUOTE="_7h0m_"]au contraire it sounds marvelous to my ears!Omni-Slash
of course it does....the documentated cases of French racism towards muslims is pretty well known.... muslims are a race now? man you really are teh expert! you know it's all about tolerating intolerant people with oh, let me generalize like you did, Americans! i'm not french btw
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"]But how does it not sound completely idiotic?PannicAtack
Is it idiotic to outlaw walking into a bank with a ski mask on? I'd say it isn't, and that the same principle applies here. Because wearing a veil is perfectly comparable to armed robbery. Wait what? That's obviously not the point I am trying to make. It's illegal to wear a ski mask in a bank because it makes it much easier to identify a bank robber. Apply that logic in this case - by making it illegal to wear the burqa, it becomes much easier to identify the women who are being oppressed.
muslims are a race now? man you really are teh expert! you know it's all about tolerating intolerant people with oh, let me generalize like you did, Americans! i'm not french btw_7h0m_
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