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According to recent information broadcast over police radio, a witness to the shooting told law enforcement the shooter was a white male, with a heavy build, bald head and wearing a sleeveless T-shirt. He was last seen with two handguns oh dearMrPraline
Ahhh..........thank god he's not Arab...

Anyways, this physco probably thought Sikhs were Arab or "Mooslem." He probably doesnt know that Sikhs hate Muslims

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] LOL I don't think either of you get what Frosty's post referred to....LJS9502_basic

What? He just posted one of the comments. I'm fairly sure there was no hidden meaning.

Ah okay. I thought you meant he was saying that himself.:P

Fortunately not:P

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[QUOTE="MrPraline"]According to recent information broadcast over police radio, a witness to the shooting told law enforcement the shooter was a white male, with a heavy build, bald head and wearing a sleeveless T-shirt. He was last seen with two handguns oh dearBossPerson

Ahhh..........thank god he's not Arab...

Anyways, this physco probably thought Sikhs were Arab or "Mooslem." He probably doesnt know that Sikhs hate Muslims

This was my first thought too.

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Murica!
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Happens in other countries......
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[QUOTE="MrPraline"]According to recent information broadcast over police radio, a witness to the shooting told law enforcement the shooter was a white male, with a heavy build, bald head and wearing a sleeveless T-shirt. He was last seen with two handguns oh dearBossPerson

Ahhh..........thank god he's not Arab...

Anyways, this physco probably thought Sikhs were Arab or "Mooslem." He probably doesnt know that Sikhs hate Muslims

Sikhs hate Muslims? Since when? And what gives you the indication that this has anything to with Islam? Stop jumping the gun dude.
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[QUOTE="l4dak47"]Murica!LJS9502_basic
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Never said otherwise.
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[QUOTE="BossPerson"]

[QUOTE="MrPraline"]According to recent information broadcast over police radio, a witness to the shooting told law enforcement the shooter was a white male, with a heavy build, bald head and wearing a sleeveless T-shirt. He was last seen with two handguns oh dearkingkong0124

Ahhh..........thank god he's not Arab...

Anyways, this physco probably thought Sikhs were Arab or "Mooslem." He probably doesnt know that Sikhs hate Muslims

Sikhs hate Muslims? Since when? And what gives you the indication that this has anything to with Islam? Stop jumping the gun dude.

There was traditionally a lot of conflict between Hindus, Sikths, and Muslims in India. There is still some in recent times.

This isnt at all the case in America though, where Sikths are actually very close to the muslim community because they are mistaken for muslims by the vast majority of the population.

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[QUOTE="BossPerson"]

[QUOTE="MrPraline"]According to recent information broadcast over police radio, a witness to the shooting told law enforcement the shooter was a white male, with a heavy build, bald head and wearing a sleeveless T-shirt. He was last seen with two handguns oh dearkingkong0124

Ahhh..........thank god he's not Arab...

Anyways, this physco probably thought Sikhs were Arab or "Mooslem." He probably doesnt know that Sikhs hate Muslims

Sikhs hate Muslims? Since when? And what gives you the indication that this has anything to with Islam? Stop jumping the gun dude.

Sikhs naturally are antagonistic towards Muslims. Why? Because history. And trust, me, it going to turn out that this guy wanted to kill Muslims, but was too stupid to know what a Muslims and a Sikh is. It's happenned before after 9/11
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[QUOTE="MrPraline"]According to recent information broadcast over police radio, a witness to the shooting told law enforcement the shooter was a white male, with a heavy build, bald head and wearing a sleeveless T-shirt. He was last seen with two handguns oh dearBossPerson

Ahhh..........thank god he's not Arab...

Anyways, this physco probably thought Sikhs were Arab or "Mooslem." He probably doesnt know that Sikhs hate Muslims

Way to make up motivations dude.....

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[QUOTE="BossPerson"]

[QUOTE="MrPraline"]According to recent information broadcast over police radio, a witness to the shooting told law enforcement the shooter was a white male, with a heavy build, bald head and wearing a sleeveless T-shirt. He was last seen with two handguns oh dearLJS9502_basic

Ahhh..........thank god he's not Arab...

Anyways, this physco probably thought Sikhs were Arab or "Mooslem." He probably doesnt know that Sikhs hate Muslims

Way to make up motivations dude.....

Well, we'll see. It's just my prediction.
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[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]Ahhh..........thank god he's not Arab...

Anyways, this physco probably thought Sikhs were Arab or "Mooslem." He probably doesnt know that Sikhs hate Muslims

BossPerson

Sikhs hate Muslims? Since when? And what gives you the indication that this has anything to with Islam? Stop jumping the gun dude.

Sikhs naturally are antagonistic towards Muslims. Why? Because history. And trust, me, it going to turn out that this guy wanted to kill Muslims, but was too stupid to know what a Muslims and a Sikh is. It's happenned before after 9/11

You're still jumping the gun and making up motivations, as LJ said. I know that India especially has been a warzone of many different religions, but I don't think you can completely generalize a whole group of people and say they all hate Muslims because of "history". We have no indication that this has anything to do with Muslims.

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[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="kingkong0124"] Sikhs hate Muslims? Since when? And what gives you the indication that this has anything to with Islam? Stop jumping the gun dude. kingkong0124

Sikhs naturally are antagonistic towards Muslims. Why? Because history. And trust, me, it going to turn out that this guy wanted to kill Muslims, but was too stupid to know what a Muslims and a Sikh is. It's happenned before after 9/11

You're still jumping the gun and making up motivations, as LJ said. I know that India especially has been a warzone of many different religions, but I don't think you can completely generalize a whole group of people and say they all hate Muslims because of "history". We have no indication that this has anything to do with Muslims.

Sikhs hating Muslims have nothing to do with the killers motivations. I'm saying the killer probably thought that Sikhs were Muslims. Sikhs have never really been antagonized in America or in the media. Most Americans have no reason to hate them. Tell me, what do you think his motivation was? And dont tell me you dont know, take a guess.
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[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="kingkong0124"] Sikhs hate Muslims? Since when? And what gives you the indication that this has anything to with Islam? Stop jumping the gun dude. kingkong0124

Sikhs naturally are antagonistic towards Muslims. Why? Because history. And trust, me, it going to turn out that this guy wanted to kill Muslims, but was too stupid to know what a Muslims and a Sikh is. It's happenned before after 9/11

You're still jumping the gun and making up motivations, as LJ said. I know that India especially has been a warzone of many different religions, but I don't think you can completely generalize a whole group of people and say they all hate Muslims because of "history". We have no indication that this has anything to do with Muslims.

one of my long time freinds is actually sikh, but Boss is right, their is a bad history between Muslims and Sikhs, either way there is no need to mention it in this thread.

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[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]Ahhh..........thank god he's not Arab...

Anyways, this physco probably thought Sikhs were Arab or "Mooslem." He probably doesnt know that Sikhs hate Muslims

cobrax55

Sikhs hate Muslims? Since when? And what gives you the indication that this has anything to with Islam? Stop jumping the gun dude.

There was traditionally a lot of conflict between Hindus, Sikths, and Muslims in India. There is still some in recent times.

This isnt at all the case in America though, where Sikths are actually very close to the muslim community because they are mistaken for muslims by the vast majority of the population.

I know but making a broad statement like "Sikhs hate Muslims" is frankly offensive. Also, he's trying to create a persecution complex, and that's offensive to all the victims and families that were involved in this tragedy.
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Sikhs hating Muslims have nothing to do with the killers motivations. I'm saying the killer probably thought that Sikhs were Muslims. Sikhs have never really been antagonized in America or in the media. Most Americans have no reason to hate them. Tell me, what do you think his motivation was? And dont tell me you dont know, take a guess.BossPerson

Do you have any reason to think that the killer thought they were Muslim, dude? You're jumping the gun man..and I don't know anything about the killer, so how would I know his motivation? And I'm not going to simply "take a guess" when I don't know the facts. The only thing that I know is that the killer was crazy.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]Ahhh..........thank god he's not Arab...

Anyways, this physco probably thought Sikhs were Arab or "Mooslem." He probably doesnt know that Sikhs hate Muslims

BossPerson

Way to make up motivations dude.....

Well, we'll see. It's just my prediction.

Sometimes it's just because a place is populated. Do you think the Colorado shooter hated Batman?
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[QUOTE="BossPerson"]Sikhs hating Muslims have nothing to do with the killers motivations. I'm saying the killer probably thought that Sikhs were Muslims. Sikhs have never really been antagonized in America or in the media. Most Americans have no reason to hate them. Tell me, what do you think his motivation was? And dont tell me you dont know, take a guess.kingkong0124

Do you have any reason to think that the killer thought he was a Muslim dude? You're jumping the gun man..and I don't know anything about the killer, so how would I know his motivation? And I'm not going to simply "take a guess" when I don't know the facts. The only thing that I know is that the killer was crazy.

Well, we'll see.
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[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Way to make up motivations dude.....

LJS9502_basic

Well, we'll see. It's just my prediction.

Sometimes it's just because a place is populated. Do you think the Colorado shooter hated Batman?

well he did dress like Bane:lol: (jk jk)

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Sometimes it's just because a place is populated. Do you think the Colorado shooter hated Batman?LJS9502_basic
Hm I can't agree with that. If you shoot up a Sikh temple you have something against Sikhs. A crowded cinema is a different beast.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Sometimes it's just because a place is populated. Do you think the Colorado shooter hated Batman?MrPraline
Hm I can't agree with that. If you shoot up a Sikh temple you have something against Sikhs. A crowded cinema is a different beast.

Or he knew it was a close place with a lot of people at a specific time with little to no security.....
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Sometimes it's just because a place is populated. Do you think the Colorado shooter hated Batman?LJS9502_basic

Attacking a religious temple is pretty obvious that he had a reason. There are public places much more populated if he was just trying to kill people.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Sometimes it's just because a place is populated. Do you think the Colorado shooter hated Batman?FalcoLX


Attacking a religious temple is pretty obvious that he had a reason. There are public places much more populated if he was just trying to kill people.

Not always
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[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Sometimes it's just because a place is populated. Do you think the Colorado shooter hated Batman?LJS9502_basic
Hm I can't agree with that. If you shoot up a Sikh temple you have something against Sikhs. A crowded cinema is a different beast.

Or he knew it was a close place with a lot of people at a specific time with little to no security.....

So he picked a f*cking Sikh temple in Wisconsin of all places? I don't buy it.
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[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="MrPraline"] Hm I can't agree with that. If you shoot up a Sikh temple you have something against Sikhs. A crowded cinema is a different beast.

Or he knew it was a close place with a lot of people at a specific time with little to no security.....

So he picked a f*cking Sikh temple in Wisconsin of all places? I don't buy it.

They would have not been expecting a shooter..that's for sure. Hell, even movie theaters and your local supermarket have more security.
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[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="MrPraline"] Hm I can't agree with that. If you shoot up a Sikh temple you have something against Sikhs. A crowded cinema is a different beast.

Or he knew it was a close place with a lot of people at a specific time with little to no security.....

So he picked a f*cking Sikh temple in Wisconsin of all places? I don't buy it.

It's incredibly silly to read anything into actions without evidence. I think most people would agree that those who shoot into crowds of people are not mentally stable. And it's sometimes true that there is no personal reason they choose a specific target. Assuming the guy had no idea it was a Sikh temple and not a mosque seems rather illogical to me. Which was my main point. Sure he could hate Sikh...but that's far different than assuming it's Muslims he intended to hit now isn't it?
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[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Or he knew it was a close place with a lot of people at a specific time with little to no security.....

So he picked a f*cking Sikh temple in Wisconsin of all places? I don't buy it.

They would have not been expecting a shooter..that's for sure. Hell, even movie theaters and your local supermarket have more security.

True. Then again I wouldn't call that a populated target. Hell, shooting randomly in a crowded shopping street will net you more victims and attention.
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[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="MrPraline"] So he picked a f*cking Sikh temple in Wisconsin of all places? I don't buy it.

They would have not been expecting a shooter..that's for sure. Hell, even movie theaters and your local supermarket have more security.

True. Then again I wouldn't call that a populated target. Hell, shooting randomly in a crowded shopping street will net you more victims and attention.

We tend to have malls here....not shopping streets.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Or he knew it was a close place with a lot of people at a specific time with little to no security.....

So he picked a f*cking Sikh temple in Wisconsin of all places? I don't buy it.

It's incredibly silly to read anything into actions without evidence. I think most people would agree that those who shoot into crowds of people are not mentally stable. And it's sometimes true that there is no personal reason they choose a specific target. Assuming the guy had no idea it was a Sikh temple and not a mosque seems rather illogical to me. Which was my main point. Sure he could hate Sikh...but that's far different than assuming it's Muslims he intended to hit now isn't it?

While I agree we can't really assume anything until we fully know; there definitely is a difference between randomly shooting into a crowd and targeting a specific place of worship. I'm not sure why you are bringing up mosques and Islam to me, I never implied that connection myself or argued in favour of it.
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[QUOTE="kingkong0124"] They would have not been expecting a shooter..that's for sure. Hell, even movie theaters and your local supermarket have more security.

Right, the temple for a religious minority that has had several threats since 9/11 and a lot of animosity towards them has no reason to worry about being attacked. :roll:
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Kingkong what is your opinion on Wisconsin becoming Little India?
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[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="MrPraline"] So he picked a f*cking Sikh temple in Wisconsin of all places? I don't buy it.

It's incredibly silly to read anything into actions without evidence. I think most people would agree that those who shoot into crowds of people are not mentally stable. And it's sometimes true that there is no personal reason they choose a specific target. Assuming the guy had no idea it was a Sikh temple and not a mosque seems rather illogical to me. Which was my main point. Sure he could hate Sikh...but that's far different than assuming it's Muslims he intended to hit now isn't it?

While I agree we can't really assume anything until we fully know; there definitely is a difference between randomly shooting into a crowd and targeting a specific place of worship. I'm not sure why you are bringing up mosques and Islam to me, I never implied that connection myself or argued in favour of it.

Oh well that was the initial disagreement I had with Boss. He is assuming it's someone that wanted to target Muslims. Now granted I'm not going to say the shooter might not be that ill formed...but I'm also not going to say he is. I know of no one that hears the word Sikh and thinks Muslims. It seemed a stretch and a rather silly one at that. Not everything in the US is against Islam nor Muslims. And I have not heard of strong attacks on Muslims in the US as a rule. Not saying it doesn't sometimes happen....but it would be in the news and frankly....I never hear of any attacks. Whatever the individuals themselves think...it's not open season in the US on Muslims.
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Kingkong what is your opinion on Wisconsin becoming Little India?-Sun_Tzu-
First of all, a Sikh Temple in a suburb of a major city does not make Wisconsin "Little India". Second of all, there is no need to try and politicize the issue. The fact is innocent people were killed and wounded, and you're trying to use it for your own personal endeavors against me.
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Kingkong what is your opinion on Wisconsin becoming Little India?-Sun_Tzu-
Isn't Wisconsin the land of little Scandinavia?
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Shame, what is it with young white dudes wanting to shoot up places? And the sikh's of all people? Though I doubt the media will make as much an uproar over this one considering the local and peoples that were involved.

Wonder how long it'll take for the fúcking Brady Bunch and Co. to start dancing in the blood.

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There have been small incidents of Sikhs being injured by people who thought they were muslim, particularly after 9/11. This event could've been the same thing though I think it's more likely that he doesn't care what the difference is, just that they weren't christian.
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]Kingkong what is your opinion on Wisconsin becoming Little India?LJS9502_basic
Isn't Wisconsin the land of little Scandinavia?

Minnesota is more deserving of that title.
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There have been small incidents of Sikhs being injured by people who thought they were muslim, particularly after 9/11. This event could've been the same thing though I think it's more likely that he doesn't care what the difference is, just that they weren't christian.FalcoLX
Now you're assuming. Every white person is not a Christian.

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more likely that he doesn't care what the difference is, just that they weren't christian.FalcoLX
What makes you think that?
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[QUOTE="FalcoLX"]There have been small incidents of Sikhs being injured by people who thought they were muslim, particularly after 9/11. This event could've been the same thing though I think it's more likely that he doesn't care what the difference is, just that they weren't christian.LJS9502_basic

Now you're assuming. Every white person is not a Christian.

Grammar mistake there bud...
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="FalcoLX"]There have been small incidents of Sikhs being injured by people who thought they were muslim, particularly after 9/11. This event could've been the same thing though I think it's more likely that he doesn't care what the difference is, just that they weren't christian.BossPerson

Now you're assuming. Every white person is not a Christian.

Grammar mistake there bud...

Which is?
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#92 FalcoLX
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FFS we've been over this. For someone to attack a Sikh temple, it's obvious that they had some reason other than "to kill people". From the reports that the shooter was white, we can assume with some certainty that the shooter is also christian, just because a large majority of white people in america are christian.
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#93 BossPerson
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[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Now you're assuming. Every white person is not a Christian.LJS9502_basic
Grammar mistake there bud...

Which is?

Every white person is not a christian??
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#94 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="BossPerson"] Grammar mistake there bud...BossPerson
Which is?

Every white person is not a christian??

No. That means just because someone is white...they are not automatically Christian.
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#95 kingkong0124
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FFS we've been over this. For someone to attack a Sikh temple, it's obvious that they had some reason other than "to kill people". From the reports that the shooter was white, we can assume with some certainty that the shooter is also christian, just because a large majority of white people in america are christian.FalcoLX
he could have been Arab too...many Arabs can pass as whites...or maybe he's Jewish..Latino...who knows.
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#96 LJS9502_basic
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FFS we've been over this. For someone to attack a Sikh temple, it's obvious that they had some reason other than "to kill people". From the reports that the shooter was white, we can assume with some certainty that the shooter is also christian, just because a large majority of white people in america are christian.FalcoLX
One should never assume. It removes objectivity....
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#97 BossPerson
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Which is?

Every white person is not a christian??

No. That means just because someone is white...they are not automatically Christian.

Idk about that. I know what youre trying to say but I think that line means that you;re saying that there are no white christians.
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#98 MrPraline
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yo if i wanted to reach maximum casualties I wouldn't pick a Sikh temple. In Wisconsin. Shouldn't be a debate. Obviously Sikhs were a target. The motive for said targeting is a mystery until confirmed, sure, but don't tell me this was a random target.
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#99 FalcoLX
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god damn, I'm not even saying anything is 100% certain. Just speculating based on what we know.
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#100 -Sun_Tzu-
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]Kingkong what is your opinion on Wisconsin becoming Little India?kingkong0124
First of all, a Sikh Temple in a suburb of a major city does not make Wisconsin "Little India". Second of all, there is no need to try and politicize the issue. The fact is innocent people were killed and wounded, and you're trying to use it for your own personal endeavors against me.

It is looking as if this shooting was rooted in cultural differences. Considering you are OT's preeminent scholar on cultural relations I figured I might as well ask you the question.