Reports of eight to 20 shot at Sikh Temple in Oak Creek

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#351 deactivated-5a79221380856
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I turned to Fox News and noticed that they don't have an ounce of coverage about this. Be sure that if this was a non-Christian shooting up a Christian Church, they would be covering this 24/7, hate Fox News

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This is truly sad, and my prayers go out to those affected by this. I hope they recover soon.

It was only a matter of time for someone crawled out of their rock and blamed the Right to bare arms. That right is here to stay and the final statement states it shall not be infringed. That includes Semis.

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inb4 hating on average conservatives.

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#354 BossPerson
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This is truly sad, and my prayers go out to those affected by this. I hope they recover soon.

It was only a matter of time for someone crawled out of their rock and blamed the Right to bare arms. That right is here to stay and the final statement states it shall not be infringed. That includes Semis.

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he's relaxed, don't worry.
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inb4 hating on average conservatives.

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I don't need any added motivation to hate on average conservatives.
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#357 kingkong0124
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[QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

inb4 hating on average conservatives.

-Sun_Tzu-

I don't need any added motivation to hate on average conservatives.

I really don't care what you think, lol.

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#358 Kamekazi_69
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[QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"]

This is truly sad, and my prayers go out to those affected by this. I hope they recover soon.

It was only a matter of time for someone crawled out of their rock and blamed the Right to bare arms. That right is here to stay and the final statement states it shall not be infringed. That includes Semis.

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relax

Its okay, I'm relaxed. I'm pretty chill. Just making a general statement on my view towards this issue.

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#359 BossPerson
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[QUOTE="BossPerson"]relaxkingkong0124
he's relaxed, don't worry.

Idk about that. He seems awfully mad, like he is going to shoot somebody. Just tell him to take it easy. Evil Obama isnt going to take away his precious Semis which are so holy he felt the need to capitalize it
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[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]relaxBossPerson
he's relaxed, don't worry.

Idk about that. He seems awfully mad, like he is going to shoot somebody. Just tell him to take it easy. Evil Obama isnt going to take away his precious Semis which are so holy he felt the need to capitalize it

I think this is all happening in your head, bro :P
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[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="kingkong0124"] he's relaxed, don't worry. kingkong0124
Idk about that. He seems awfully mad, like he is going to shoot somebody. Just tell him to take it easy. Evil Obama isnt going to take away his precious Semis which are so holy he felt the need to capitalize it

I think this is all happening in your head, bro :P

I concur,:P it is all in his head. Standing up to gun ownership associates yourself with wanting to shoot someone, and worshipping guns under his perception. Dont know where he got that from

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[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

[QUOTE="sonicare"] People are very impulsive. They don't always think things through. The readily available nature of some of these guns is definitely not a good thing. I still support the right of people to own guns, just not assault/automatics.-Sun_Tzu-

1) Assault weapons, as someone in this thread already mentioned, are bascially anything that looks "scary". Just because a gun doesn't look "scary" doesn't mean it won't kill you or have the same, if not greater effect on your body, than a "non-scary" weapon.

2) Automatic weapons are almost impossible to obtain legally. The Aurora shooter nor this shooter had automatic weapons.

A semi-automatic assault weapon can very easily be turned into a full automatic.

If a rifle can easily be converted into an automatic, then it's illegal and can't be sold legally. It's incredibily difficult, time-consuming, and resource-consuming to turn a rifle into an automatic. Oh, and assault weapons are barely used in gun crimes. Illegal automatics are rarely, rarely, rarely used. And I mean rarely.

Besides, when I was in the military, we only used semi-auto on our M4s, and actually didn't even have full auto (only safe, semi, burst). You can get much more accurate and controlled fire when firing in semi. The only time auto (the only mode they had) was used was on the machine guns such as the 249 or 240B when firing in prone or supported, both of which are highly illegal weapons for civilians.

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[QUOTE="Netherscourge"]

[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"] so now was this shooting brought to us by the 1st Amendment?...If he was locked up none of this would ever have happened.....damn freedoms..leviathan91

I am not opposed to banning Neo-Nazi Punk Music, AS WELL AS guns.

We should ban communism as well. They were pretty violent and many communists in this country could be violent.

So are capitalists.
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[QUOTE="leviathan91"]

[QUOTE="ultimameteora"] Well I guess they need to raise the bar on it.l4dak47

They had before. Doesn't always work. As I stated before, intent is the cause, not the gun. Guns don't make people kill each other.

Never understood the whole "guns don't kill people, people do!" Um, the only reason guns exist is to put a body 6 feet below.

Exactly.
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One of my best friends is Sikh. Terrible.
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The shooting was a beautiful work of an angry God who told Wisconsin to keep their filthy hands off his people (WBC!) #godsenttheshooter - Fred Phelps, leader of the Westboro Baptist Church, wrote on Twitter.
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The shooting was a beautiful work of an angry God who told Wisconsin to keep their filthy hands off his people (WBC!) #godsenttheshooter - Fred Phelps, leader of the Westboro Baptist Church, wrote on Twitter.thebest31406

Sounds like a nice guy.

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The shooting was a beautiful work of an angry God who told Wisconsin to keep their filthy hands off his people (WBC!) #godsenttheshooter - Fred Phelps, leader of the Westboro Baptist Church, wrote on Twitter.thebest31406
I don't und-...His people as in people that would have been christian otherwise if it weren't for the meddling sikh's? Repulsive. To think that this sick bastard was even allowed into the military...if yourgoddamn military can't even do proper background checks and psychological assesments, HOW DO YOU EVEN THINK TO "TIGHTEN" BACKGROUND CHECKS FOR GUN PERMITS? Only banning is going to solve this, make it illegal to own guns alltogether. Round up as much guns as possible and dispose of them. Only cops and the military should be allowed to carry guns. But I know Americans are afraid of change. While most of their rights are taken away in plain sight, they riot over petty stuff like the 2nd amendment. Getting rid of guns is the only way to peace, isn't that the message many American/Hollywood movies are trying to make (after shooting up a bunch of dudes) but when they touch your "rigjt to own a gun", your suddenly cry out loud? It's time for the U.S.A. to catch up with the rest of the world, where most crimes commited aren't with guns and where we do not have wild-west shoot-outs in public places. You have to sacrifice that false sense of entitlement or a delusional right to gain some security. If you or one of your family member, friend or lover dies while attending a cinema...that right doesn't mean anything... You can't banish sick individuals out of society, but you can banish the tools they use for their destruction.
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#369 LJS9502_basic
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For all your ridiculous ranting in this post....you are aware that sometimes well adjusted people develop mental problems later in life? It's not like everyone is born with the issues they get. Schizophrenia for instance strikes people in their mid to late twenties sometimes. Sometimes in teens. You can't look at a healthy 18 year old and know 7 years later what will happen.
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[QUOTE="thebest31406"]The shooting was a beautiful work of an angry God who told Wisconsin to keep their filthy hands off his people (WBC!) #godsenttheshooter - Fred Phelps, leader of the Westboro Baptist Church, wrote on Twitter.DrTrafalgarLaw
You can't banish sick individuals out of society, but you can banish the tools they use for their destruction.

Boom.
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[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"].LJS9502_basic
For all your ridiculous ranting in this post....you are aware that sometimes well adjusted people develop mental problems later in life? It's not like everyone is born with the issues they get. Schizophrenia for instance strikes people in their mid to late twenties sometimes. Sometimes in teens. You can't look at a healthy 18 year old and know 7 years later what will happen.

Yes I am aware of that, perhaps even better than you. But, was he confirmed a skitzophrenic? If so, that would mean symptoms like a psychosis could/would be present when he applied. You know, like hearing people or things that are not there, it can any sense but it's mostly auditory. Believing ridicilous stuff like someone is out to get you, paranoia or the news anchorman or woman is talking about you. **** has in some cases a preceding event, like a divorce, getting fired from a job or dropping out of college etc. All that information would be present in a background check.

Even during a interview you could be able to see some psychological symptoms. Along with a lot of other mental diseases. You could ask his views on foreigners, on wars, on human rights, democracy, ethical issues etc. Never did the army notice that this was a deranged psychopath...? Did the army not even try to ensure some institution or the cops, heck even a psychologist to keep an eye out for crazy individuals like these? So many fails on so many levels. I can understand he could have been conceiling his tracks very well, but to get kicked out of the army must have been something serious.

edit: Why are totally normal mental diseases (skitzophrenia) censored out? Are American so immature to use psychological diseases as a insult?

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"].DrTrafalgarLaw

For all your ridiculous ranting in this post....you are aware that sometimes well adjusted people develop mental problems later in life? It's not like everyone is born with the issues they get. Schizophrenia for instance strikes people in their mid to late twenties sometimes. Sometimes in teens. You can't look at a healthy 18 year old and know 7 years later what will happen.

Yes I am aware of that, perhaps even better than you. But, was he confirmed a skitzophrenic If so, that would mean symptomes would be present when he applied. You know, like hearing people or things that are not there, it can be mostly any auditory sense. Believing ridicilous stuff like someone is out to get you, paranoia or the news anchorman or woman is talking about you. **** has in some cases a preceding event, like a divorce, getting fired from a job or dropping out of college etc. All that information would be present in a background check.

Even during a interview you could be able to see some psychological symptoms. Along with a lot of other mental diseases. You could ask his views on foreigners, on wars, on human rights, democracy, ethical issues etc. Never did the army notice that this was a deranged psychopath...? Did the army not even try to ensure some institution or the cops, heck even a psychologist to keep an eye out for crazy individuals like these? So many fails on so many levels. I can understand he could have been conceiling his tracks very well, but to get kicked out of the army must have been something serious.

edit: Why are totally normal mental diseases (skitzophrenia) censored out? Are American so immature to use psychological diseases as a insult?

I don't know what he had. I'm just saying that on day 1 an individual might be perfectly mentally healthy and by day 1000...develop symptoms of a mental problem. So know during an interview you can't tell how someone's mental state WILL BE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD when they have no symptoms today.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"].DrTrafalgarLaw

For all your ridiculous ranting in this post....you are aware that sometimes well adjusted people develop mental problems later in life? It's not like everyone is born with the issues they get. Schizophrenia for instance strikes people in their mid to late twenties sometimes. Sometimes in teens. You can't look at a healthy 18 year old and know 7 years later what will happen.

Yes I am aware of that, perhaps even better than you. But, was he confirmed a skitzophrenic? If so, that would mean symptoms like a psychosis could/would be present when he applied. You know, like hearing people or things that are not there, it can any sense but it's mostly auditory. Believing ridicilous stuff like someone is out to get you, paranoia or the news anchorman or woman is talking about you. **** has in some cases a preceding event, like a divorce, getting fired from a job or dropping out of college etc. All that information would be present in a background check.

Even during a interview you could be able to see some psychological symptoms. Along with a lot of other mental diseases. You could ask his views on foreigners, on wars, on human rights, democracy, ethical issues etc. Never did the army notice that this was a deranged psychopath...? Did the army not even try to ensure some institution or the cops, heck even a psychologist to keep an eye out for crazy individuals like these? So many fails on so many levels. I can understand he could have been conceiling his tracks very well, but to get kicked out of the army must have been something serious.

edit: Why are totally normal mental diseases (skitzophrenia) censored out? Are American so immature to use psychological diseases as a insult?

There are no racial motivations, have him tell it.
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[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] For all your ridiculous ranting in this post....you are aware that sometimes well adjusted people develop mental problems later in life? It's not like everyone is born with the issues they get. Schizophrenia for instance strikes people in their mid to late twenties sometimes. Sometimes in teens. You can't look at a healthy 18 year old and know 7 years later what will happen.LJS9502_basic

Yes I am aware of that, perhaps even better than you. But, was he confirmed a skitzophrenic If so, that would mean symptomes would be present when he applied. You know, like hearing people or things that are not there, it can be mostly any auditory sense. Believing ridicilous stuff like someone is out to get you, paranoia or the news anchorman or woman is talking about you. **** has in some cases a preceding event, like a divorce, getting fired from a job or dropping out of college etc. All that information would be present in a background check.

Even during a interview you could be able to see some psychological symptoms. Along with a lot of other mental diseases. You could ask his views on foreigners, on wars, on human rights, democracy, ethical issues etc. Never did the army notice that this was a deranged psychopath...? Did the army not even try to ensure some institution or the cops, heck even a psychologist to keep an eye out for crazy individuals like these? So many fails on so many levels. I can understand he could have been conceiling his tracks very well, but to get kicked out of the army must have been something serious.

edit: Why are totally normal mental diseases (skitzophrenia) censored out? Are American so immature to use psychological diseases as a insult?

I don't know what he had. I'm just saying that on day 1 an individual might be perfectly mentally healthy and by day 1000...develop symptoms of a mental problem. So know during an interview you can't tell how someone's mental state WILL BE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD when they have no symptoms today.

Don't they have regular check-ups when in the military itself...? After that, he should have been monitored closely. There are always small but noticable symptoms, you don't become a deranged person overnight.
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#375 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"] Yes I am aware of that, perhaps even better than you. But, was he confirmed a skitzophrenic If so, that would mean symptomes would be present when he applied. You know, like hearing people or things that are not there, it can be mostly any auditory sense. Believing ridicilous stuff like someone is out to get you, paranoia or the news anchorman or woman is talking about you. **** has in some cases a preceding event, like a divorce, getting fired from a job or dropping out of college etc. All that information would be present in a background check.

Even during a interview you could be able to see some psychological symptoms. Along with a lot of other mental diseases. You could ask his views on foreigners, on wars, on human rights, democracy, ethical issues etc. Never did the army notice that this was a deranged psychopath...? Did the army not even try to ensure some institution or the cops, heck even a psychologist to keep an eye out for crazy individuals like these? So many fails on so many levels. I can understand he could have been conceiling his tracks very well, but to get kicked out of the army must have been something serious.

edit: Why are totally normal mental diseases (skitzophrenia) censored out? Are American so immature to use psychological diseases as a insult?

DrTrafalgarLaw

I don't know what he had. I'm just saying that on day 1 an individual might be perfectly mentally healthy and by day 1000...develop symptoms of a mental problem. So know during an interview you can't tell how someone's mental state WILL BE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD when they have no symptoms today.

Don't they have regular check-ups when in the military itself...? After that, he should have been monitored closely. There are always small but noticable symptoms, you don't become a deranged person overnight.

No. Unless someone becomes a problem. And he was released from the military was he not? You're full of sh*t if you think you can see mental illness all the time in people. What don't you get about mentally healthy?

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Another 9-11 revenge killing. The guy had a 9/11 tatoo and went after people who he seemed to preceive was a Muslim congregation. Although not confirmed you could put his 9-11 tatoos and his hate for minorities and put the two and two together and it doesn't take a rocket science to figure that one out.

Same thing happened to a Sikh (as well as the number of increase in hate crimes against Skihs) who was killed after 9/11 and the killer said it was to take revenge for 9/11.

Shameful.

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[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="leviathan91"]

They had before. Doesn't always work. As I stated before, intent is the cause, not the gun. Guns don't make people kill each other.

SpartanMSU

Never understood the whole "guns don't kill people, people do!" Um, the only reason guns exist is to put a body 6 feet below.

Nope.:|

Uh...Yeah. Guns were created to kill people and hunt game. What other purpose do guns have? Giving massages and handing out lollipops?