Reports of eight to 20 shot at Sikh Temple in Oak Creek

[QUOTE="leviathan91"]

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"]

This is horrible, another shooter already? This isexactly what happens when gun posession is allowed and hicks still cling on to their right to own guns.
Isn't thereenough blood shed already because of several shootings like these?

DrTrafalgarLaw

Yes, yes blame the guns, guns make people go crazy, blah blah blah. :|

How about we take self responsibility for once and acknowledge that the shooter may have acted on racist intent? And that we should start educating ourselves on the difference between Sikhs and Muslims or better yet not show prejudice to any religious group.

if some one comes at with a knife (happend to me in japan, if i had a gun then, i wouldnt have effing scarrs all over my arm) id like to be able to shoot him.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="thebest31406"] And the witnesses say it was more than one... Well, something's going on; acting like witness accounts shouldn't at least be taken in consideration. Also, why do you get all hot and bothered when someone condemns a white guy for committing murder as if someone accused you of murder?thebest31406

And the witnesses say it was more than one...

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"] Would you give up your gun to prevent shootings like these?DrTrafalgarLaw

Would you give up your car to prevent horrifyingaccidents? Or your cell phone to prevent texting and driving?

I saw we ban the household items that can be used to make bombs.

The shooter obviously wouldn't try to obtain a weapon illegally either, even though he was willing to illegally kill innocent people. We all know how hard it is to obtain illegal things like weed that are ingrained in our culture.

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="leviathan91"]

Yes, yes blame the guns, guns make people go crazy, blah blah blah. :|

How about we take self responsibility for once and acknowledge that the shooter may have acted on racist intent? And that we should start educating ourselves on the difference between Sikhs and Muslims or better yet not show prejudice to any religious group.

frannkzappa

if some one comes at with a knife (happend to me in japan, if i had a gun then, i wouldnt have effing scarrs all over my arm) id like to be able to shoot him.

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"] Would you give up your gun to prevent shootings like these?DrTrafalgarLaw

Would you give up your car to prevent horrifyingaccidents? Or your cell phone to prevent texting and driving?

Guns are designed to shoot a projectile and it just so happens it can be used in a violent manner. Cell phones can be used to set off IEDs and bombs remotely. An object is only capable of what a person is doing with it.

Plenty of people own guns and never commit a crime in their life. I haven't even gotten a parking or speeding ticket.

[QUOTE="thebest31406"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] WTF are you on? I didn't say anything of the sort. I gave our conspiracy nut a quote from the police that it's one shooter. LJS9502_basic

And the witnesses say it was more than one...

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"] Why don't we give every idiot a gun so we can solve people cutting in lines with a shoot-out? By legislating guns, we're only making it easier to give total nutcases access to guns. Guns are made to kill people, unless you're an assasin or a hitman or some sort, I don't see the need of anyone owning a gun besides the police and the army. So why does ANYONE want to own a gun? So you can use the very offchance you're actually in your right to use it as self-defense or other? That makes up for the countless people dying because of the gun legislation? We're from europe and we find it totally nuts that you can own a gun in the states. That's practically asking for trouble.DrTrafalgarLaw

if some one comes at with a knife (happend to me in japan, if i had a gun then, i wouldnt have effing scarrs all over my arm) id like to be able to shoot him.

A stabbing spree was stopped about a week ago by a guy who was carrying a hand gun.:|

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

Would you give up your car to prevent horrifyingaccidents? Or your cell phone to prevent texting and driving?

UnknownSniper65

Guns are designed to shoot a projectile and it just so happens it can be used in a violent manner. Cell phones can be used to set of IEDs or bombs remotely. An object is only capable of what a person is doing with it.

Plenty of people own guns and never commit a crime in their life. I haven't even gotten a parking or speeding ticket.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="thebest31406"]

And the witnesses say it was more than one...

thebest31406

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"] Why don't we give every idiot a gun so we can solve people cutting in lines with a shoot-out? By legislating guns, we're only making it easier to give total nutcases access to guns. Guns are made to kill people, unless you're an assasin or a hitman or some sort, I don't see the need of anyone owning a gun besides the police and the army. So why does ANYONE want to own a gun? So you can use the very offchance you're actually in your right to use it as self-defense or other? That makes up for the countless people dying because of the gun legislation? We're from europe and we find it totally nuts that you can own a gun in the states. That's practically asking for trouble.DrTrafalgarLaw

if some one comes at with a knife (happend to me in japan, if i had a gun then, i wouldnt have effing scarrs all over my arm) id like to be able to shoot him.

yeah cause a knife fight would have been SOOOOOOO much fun.

oh, and have you ever been stabbed? not fun. not something im gonna risk repeating,

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

Would you give up your car to prevent horrifyingaccidents? Or your cell phone to prevent texting and driving?

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

if some one comes at with a knife (happend to me in japan, if i had a gun then, i wouldnt have effing scarrs all over my arm) id like to be able to shoot him.

frannkzappa

yeah cause a knife fight would have been SOOOOOOO much fun.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"] That sucks man, but you wouldn't need a gun...having a knife on your own would be deterrant enough. No need to pull out a gun everytime you feel threathened.DrTrafalgarLaw

yeah cause a knife fight would have been SOOOOOOO much fun.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"] I don't own a car and I don't plan on owning one in the near future. Those things are death traps. Your analogy is horribily wrong though, guns are designed to kill people...cell phones are not.DrTrafalgarLaw

Clearly not a lethal projectile

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Not this crap about guns again.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] A couple. Not all. Now explain where the other shooters disappeared to with the police all over the place and your famous witnesses.....LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"] That sucks man, but you wouldn't need a gun...having a knife on your own would be deterrant enough. No need to pull out a gun everytime you feel threathened.DrTrafalgarLaw

yeah cause a knife fight would have been SOOOOOOO much fun.

the m other f ucker stabbed me idiot.

if i hadn't been in japan and owned a gun ,yeah, i would have shot him.

[QUOTE="leviathan91"]

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"]

This is horrible, another shooter already? This isexactly what happens when gun posession is allowed and hicks still cling on to their right to own guns.
Isn't thereenough blood shed already because of several shootings like these?

DrTrafalgarLaw

Yes, yes blame the guns, guns make people go crazy, blah blah blah. :|

How about we take self responsibility for once and acknowledge that the shooter may have acted on racist intent? And that we should start educating ourselves on the difference between Sikhs and Muslims or better yet not show prejudice to any religious group.

You have a messed up view of our country. Those nutcases do NOT represent the entirety of our country. There are many law-abiding citizens that own guns just as there are law-abiding people in your European countries that do drugs that would be illegal in our country.

There are many reasons to why the crime rate in the United States is high such as the failure of the Drug War and gang activity among other things, as well as the failure of our education system. Guns are used but intent and lack of education is the main problem. And my experiences with guns have taught me one thing: A huge sense of discipline that I came to appreciate when it came to handling and firing a gun. Yeah I know, it's weird, maybe not everyone sees it that way but I liked it and I usually like to bend the rules to my pleasure.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="MgamerBD"] Because clearly a gun was not used.MgamerBD

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"] You can shoot targets with a bow, with a paintball gun...with many other things that are non lethal. You expect me to believe that a bullet that's designed to have a large penetrating force to top if off with a massive amount of lead that can poison people, is not designed to kill people/living things?DrTrafalgarLaw

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"] You can shoot targets with a bow, with a paintball gun...with many other things that are non lethal. You expect me to believe that a bullet that's designed to have a large penetrating force to top if off with a massive amount of lead that can poison people, is not designed to kill people/living things?DrTrafalgarLaw

I bought a gun cause i was stabbed and mugged , and i didn't want that to happen again.

Seemed like a good reason to me.

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

yeah cause a knife fight would have been SOOOOOOO much fun.

frannkzappa

the m other f ucker stabbed me idiot.

if i hadn't been in japan and owned a gun ,yeah, i would have shot him.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"] You can shoot targets with a bow, with a paintball gun...with many other things that are non lethal. You expect me to believe that a bullet that's designed to have a large penetrating force to top if off with a massive amount of lead that can poison people, is not designed to kill people/living things?DrTrafalgarLaw

Hunting,self defense, home defense,hobby,etc

I know plenty of law abiding people who own legal semiautomatic AKs,AR-15s,etc. I also know small business owners who carry a concealed pistol because they carry large amounts of cash around.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"] You can shoot targets with a bow, with a paintball gun...with many other things that are non lethal. You expect me to believe that a bullet that's designed to have a large penetrating force to top if off with a massive amount of lead that can poison people, is not designed to kill people/living things?DrTrafalgarLaw

Target shooting, hunting, collecting, self-defense.

Hunting is pretty big here in the U.S.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"] You seriously would have shot him if he pulled out a knife?DrTrafalgarLaw

the m other f ucker stabbed me idiot.

if i hadn't been in japan and owned a gun ,yeah, i would have shot him.

Keep telling yourself that.

I'm sure if i hugged him and aked how his day was going he wouldn't have stabbed me and taken my money.

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Again it depends on INTENT. You do not have to fire a gun at people. Second....you better not be eating meat/fish. That would make you a hypocrite since the diet of a carnivore demands killing animals.SpartanMSU

Target shooting, hunting, collecting, self-defense.

Hunting is pretty big here in the U.S.

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Again it depends on INTENT. You do not have to fire a gun at people. Second....you better not be eating meat/fish. That would make you a hypocrite since the diet of a carnivore demands killing animals.SpartanMSU

Target shooting, hunting, collecting, self-defense.

Hunting is pretty big here in the U.S.

Honestly, I would be surprised to find that most crimes are committed with expensive guns like those used by enthusiasts.

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Again it depends on INTENT. You do not have to fire a gun at people. Second....you better not be eating meat/fish. That would make you a hypocrite since the diet of a carnivore demands killing animals.frannkzappa

I bought a gun cause i was stabbed and mugged , and i didn't want that to happen again.

Seemed like a good reason to me.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"] So what is this INTENT of a person buying a gun? Just to own it? Gotta collect them all?DrTrafalgarLaw

I bought a gun cause i was stabbed and mugged , and i didn't want that to happen again.

Seemed like a good reason to me.

I'm beginning to think your not too bright.

[QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

Target shooting, hunting, collecting, self-defense.

Hunting is pretty big here in the U.S.

SpartanMSU

No. You are a fvcking retard.

According to recent information broadcast over police radio, a witness to the shooting told law enforcement the shooter was a white male, with a heavy build, bald head and wearing a sleeveless T-shirt. He was last seen with two handguns oh dearMrPraline

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"]

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

I bought a gun cause i was stabbed and mugged , and i didn't want that to happen again.

Seemed like a good reason to me.

frannkzappa

I'm beginning to think your not to bright.

In a good amount of rural towns in the United States the local police stop patroling at a certain time. That means that any emergencyresponse is going to come from either the state police or the county sheriff. It could take a while before they get there that is assuming the best conditions and you actually manage to call 911.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"] How about self-defense training, instead of rushing out to buy a gun? I've been threathened and was subject of being mugged before, I still don't have the need to buy a gun. If I happen to get stabbed or shot at, tough luck for me.

DrTrafalgarLaw

I'm beginning to think your not to bright.

i just do what spell check tells me, im an engineer not a grammar teacher.

but in all seriousness if i die, id rather it not be from stab wounds.

In a good amount of rural towns in the United States the local police stop patroling at a certain time. That means that any emergencyresponse is going to come from either the state police or the county sheriff. It could take a while before they get there that is assuming the best conditions and you actually manage to call 911.

UnknownSniper65

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

In a good amount of rural towns in the United States the local police stop patroling at a certain time. That means that any emergencyresponse is going to come from either the state police or the county sheriff. It could take a while before they get there that is assuming the best conditions and you actually manage to call 911.

DrTrafalgarLaw

You still don't get it, do you? At least try to see the other sides' viewpoint.

YOU CAN STILL OBTAIN GUNS ILLEGALLY. GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD.

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

In a good amount of rural towns in the United States the local police stop patroling at a certain time. That means that any emergencyresponse is going to come from either the state police or the county sheriff. It could take a while before they get there that is assuming the best conditions and you actually manage to call 911.

DrTrafalgarLaw

I'm not even talking about guns. In fact the last real murder to happen in my area was committed with a knife. Most guns used in crimes aren't even obtained legally to begin with. Somebody isn't going to use a gun in a crime knowing it could trace back to them.

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

In a good amount of rural towns in the United States the local police stop patroling at a certain time. That means that any emergencyresponse is going to come from either the state police or the county sheriff. It could take a while before they get there that is assuming the best conditions and you actually manage to call 911.

DrTrafalgarLaw

You are very naive.

Gun control isn't necessarily crime control. If you want to reduce crime, reduce intent. The problem with our country is how justice is served. We're tough on crime but we're not big on recidivism which works much more effectively in helping and reforming criminals so they don't become repeat offenders.

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

In a good amount of rural towns in the United States the local police stop patroling at a certain time. That means that any emergencyresponse is going to come from either the state police or the county sheriff. It could take a while before they get there that is assuming the best conditions and you actually manage to call 911.

SpartanMSU

You still don't get it, do you? At least try to see the other sides' viewpoint.

YOU CAN STILL OBTAIN GUNS ILLEGALLY. GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD.

[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"] Isn't it ironic how gun legislation allows people to get their hands on a gun easily to commit crimes in rural areas, and to counter that is to provide the victims in rural areas with guns also? What on earth would this solve? They have guns, so we should too? How about just take away their guns? That last one would provide much more benefits on the long run.DrTrafalgarLaw

You still don't get it, do you? At least try to see the other sides' viewpoint.

YOU CAN STILL OBTAIN GUNS ILLEGALLY. GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD.

My god, you really are that dumb.

If I can obtain guns illegally, don't you think I could also obtain ammunition? Also, research Prohibition and the War on Drugs. I can get weed easily whenever I want. If there is a high demand for it, there will be a supply.

And I wasn't aware a cop could be carried in my back pocket...idiot.

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

In a good amount of rural towns in the United States the local police stop patroling at a certain time. That means that any emergencyresponse is going to come from either the state police or the county sheriff. It could take a while before they get there that is assuming the best conditions and you actually manage to call 911.

UnknownSniper65

I'm not even talking about guns. In fact the last real murder to happen in my area was committed with a knife. Most guns used in crimes aren't even obtained legally to begin with. Somebody isn't going to use a gun in a crime knowing it could trace back to them.

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"] Isn't it ironic how gun legislation allows people to get their hands on a gun easily to commit crimes in rural areas, and to counter that is to provide the victims in rural areas with guns also? What on earth would this solve? They have guns, so we should too? How about just take away their guns? That last one would provide much more benefits on the long run.DrTrafalgarLaw

I'm not even talking about guns. In fact the last real murder to happen in my area was committed with a knife. Most guns used in crimes aren't even obtained legally to begin with. Somebody isn't going to use a gun in a crime knowing it could trace back to them.

i thank god that people like him hold no influence over our government.

one angle I read regarding motive is that he may have carried this out in an attempt of violence against Muslims but didn't know Sikhs aren't Muslims, and he had a 9-11 tattoo on his arm... of course that doesn't conclude anything but it's an angle to look into, to be honest though that also crossed my mind as an option even before reading about it; anyhow, wonder what we'll find out lamprey263

THANK YOU for at least attempting to get this thread back on track.

I can't believe this. No one takes responsibility for themselves anymore. That shooter acted on intent and would have carried out the attack whether he obtained the guns legally or illegally, the same with other high profile shooters. They didn't all decide to shoot up a group of people because they had a gun. They did it because they were sick in the head and planned it so meticulously.

Sometimes I wonder if the Brits in the past talked about banning knives due to Jack the Ripper attacks.