So Atheists, What's Your Rationale In Your Belief Of No God?

damn

I just read all 600 or whatever posts. I'm being honest. Atheism makes so much sense.

ah....it seems so wrong though.....I think because I was raised a Christian from a very young age (4 yrs old).

I started reading the God Delusion, but I'm kinda afraid to continue. I know I'm going to be an atheist when I'm done reading it.

damn

I just read all 600 or whatever posts. I'm being honest. Atheism makes so much sense.

ah....it seems so wrong though.....I think because I was raised a Christian from a very young age (4 yrs old).

I started reading the God Delusion, but I'm kinda afraid to continue. I know I'm going to be an atheist when I'm done reading it.

hi_im_dave

Finish reading it, damn it. :x

damn

I just read all 600 or whatever posts. I'm being honest. Atheism makes so much sense.

ah....it seems so wrong though.....I think because I was raised a Christian from a very young age (4 yrs old).

I started reading the God Delusion, but I'm kinda afraid to continue. I know I'm going to be an atheist when I'm done reading it.

hi_im_dave

[QUOTE="HomicidalCherry"]

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"] Well, sure, if you treat every verse of the Bible in a literal manner you'll ultimately be disappointed. But I don't think that means that the core meaning of the stories are lost/unimportant/unbelievable.mattbbpl

Well obviously not everything is beyond reasonable belief, but I would think that any of the supernatural parts would be beyond reason to the impartial reader.

Most of the supernatural parts, if I understant you correctly, are said to have been performed by God either directly or through others.

Any non-biased reader would have to have no opinion on God or miracles. In order for this person to believe that the miracles described in the Bible actually happened, they would have to make the assumptions that God exists, that Jesus is the son of God, that God is omnipotent, and that God (Jesus) committed the miracles described in the Bible. They would have to do all of this with no concrete evidence. No rational person would make so many large leaps in logic and so many assumptions just because it is written in a book unless they had the pre-conceived notion that this book was true.

show me a man that isnt a fool and i will show you god. show me a man that will show me god and i will show you a fool. if god exists then he will find me or i will stumble upon him. there will be no looking.

[QUOTE="hi_im_dave"]

damn

I just read all 600 or whatever posts. I'm being honest. Atheism makes so much sense.

ah....it seems so wrong though.....I think because I was raised a Christian from a very young age (4 yrs old).

I started reading the God Delusion, but I'm kinda afraid to continue. I know I'm going to be an atheist when I'm done reading it.

BumFluff122

I would break my mom's heart. I go to a Christian University. All of my friends are Christian. The list goes on.

I guess I don't have to tell them.

Generally when I am to believe in something, proof or any scrap of evidence at all would be a good place to start.

Also, not believing in god is not a belief, it is a lack thereof.

damn

I just read all 600 or whatever posts. I'm being honest. Atheism makes so much sense.

ah....it seems so wrong though.....I think because I was raised a Christian from a very young age (4 yrs old).

I started reading the God Delusion, but I'm kinda afraid to continue. I know I'm going to be an atheist when I'm done reading it.

hi_im_dave

[QUOTE="hi_im_dave"]

damn

I just read all 600 or whatever posts. I'm being honest. Atheism makes so much sense.

ah....it seems so wrong though.....I think because I was raised a Christian from a very young age (4 yrs old).

I started reading the God Delusion, but I'm kinda afraid to continue. I know I'm going to be an atheist when I'm done reading it.

hiphops_savior

Ya, I was thinking I should probably read both sides of the story.

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="HomicidalCherry"]

Well obviously not everything is beyond reasonable belief, but I would think that any of the supernatural parts would be beyond reason to the impartial reader.

HomicidalCherry

Most of the supernatural parts, if I understant you correctly, are said to have been performed by God either directly or through others.

Any non-biased reader would have to have no opinion on God or miracles. In order for this person to believe that the miracles described in the Bible actually happened, they would have to make the assumptions that God exists, that Jesus is the son of God, that God is omnipotent, and that God (Jesus) committed the miracles described in the Bible. They would have to do all of this with no concrete evidence. No rational person would make so many large leaps in logic and so many assumptions just because it is written in a book unless they had the pre-conceived notion that this book was true.

damn

I just read all 600 or whatever posts. I'm being honest. Atheism makes so much sense.

ah....it seems so wrong though.....I think because I was raised a Christian from a very young age (4 yrs old).

I started reading the God Delusion, but I'm kinda afraid to continue. I know I'm going to be an atheist when I'm done reading it.

hi_im_dave

the answer youre looking for is "indifference"

if someone asks if you believe in God, shrug and say "Beats me"

if they then ask if youre an atheist, shrug and say "I dont know, to be honest"

dont commit to either side. Just let your heart guide you. Sometimes you dont even know what your heart says.

[QUOTE="HomicidalCherry"]

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"] I'm not sure what you mean by supernatural, but I certainly believe in miracles. I see no reason why God incarnate being able to perform miracles wouldn't be believable.

Most of the supernatural parts, if I understant you correctly, are said to have been performed by God either directly or through others.hiphops_savior

Any non-biased reader would have to have no opinion on God or miracles. In order for this person to believe that the miracles described in the Bible actually happened, they would have to make the assumptions that God exists, that Jesus is the son of God, that God is omnipotent, and that God (Jesus) committed the miracles described in the Bible. They would have to do all of this with no concrete evidence. No rational person would make so many large leaps in logic and so many assumptions just because it is written in a book unless they had the pre-conceived notion that this book was true.

Who said the Big Bang happened by chance? I haven't read up on the Big Bang theory lately, but last time I checked, chance wasn't the scientific cause. In fact, if relativity is true, then causality is a completely meaningless concept before the Big Bang. General Relativity breaks down and time becomes another meaningless construct when dealing with an object of such tremendous density. You can't find a reason for something happening in the absence of causality and time, not as we understand it at least. For the record, I don't avidly believe the Big Bang Theory. I find it interesting and believe it may have happened, however, the evidence isn't all that compelling (especially to someone without an astro-physics degree) at the moment.

I'm not gonna get into the whole odds of life one. There are so may different factors and the odds just get so complicated that any attempt to calculate the actual odds of life appearing a futile. Maybe the odds are low, but I'm not gonna spend several decades running all of the numbers and making sure I take into account every variable. But for the record, life appearing is bound by causality and did not happen by chance. It happened for physical reasons. Objects interacted in such a way that created life. There is nothing random about that.

[QUOTE="hi_im_dave"]

damn

I just read all 600 or whatever posts. I'm being honest. Atheism makes so much sense.

ah....it seems so wrong though.....I think because I was raised a Christian from a very young age (4 yrs old).

I started reading the God Delusion, but I'm kinda afraid to continue. I know I'm going to be an atheist when I'm done reading it.

mrbojangles25

the answer youre looking for is "indifference"

if someone asks if you believe in God, shrug and say "Beats me"

if they then ask if youre an atheist, shrug and say "I dont know, to be honest"

dont commit to either side. Just let your heart guide you. Sometimes you dont even know what your heart says.

Personally, I think with my brain. Logic is the key here. Don't let emotions sway you one way.

There's no physical proof that life came out of nothing, or is there physical proof that God doesn't exist. It is simply impossible for science to prove or disprove God, and to assume he doesn't exist is a huge risk that dare I might say, takes more faith than believing in an omnipotent being who isn't limited in time and space.hiphops_savior

There is no such thing as proof that something does not exist and there is growing evidence for where life originated from. Stop applying things like faith to the lack of a belief, it is not the same thing. I don't see any reason to believe in a god, I see a universe with an explanation we will one day uncover, just like everything else throughout history previously believed to be god's work. To not believe in a concept without any evidence is not a matter of faith, in any way, it is the direct opposite. You are simply making up the rules of how proof, faith, and belief work as you go, based entirely on your own opinion. The mighty difference between what is subjective and objective.

Oh, going back to your justification of the 'huge risk' in question. That is completely irrelevant to the position of atheism, which is once again not a belief, rather a lack thereof. The idea that not believing in god will be of afterlife consequence means nothing to atheists, because the beliefs of a religion are completely extraneous from our own. Not to mention the matter of most religions each claiming to be the one true faith, and the general absurdity of a god caring about whether you believe in him/her/it/they or not. I mean, call me crazy, but if an omnipotent being actually existed, the notion that they would be so egotistical and callous as to hold belief without proof to higher esteem than - I don't know - what you've done with your life, makes me want to laugh so hard I vomit forth my entire digestive system.

well everybody has already said over 9000 times more than what i would have said regarding the issue so no point in beating a dead horse.

There's no physical proof that life came out of nothing, or is there physical proof that God doesn't exist. It is simply impossible for science to prove or disprove God, and to assume he doesn't exist is a huge risk that dare I might say, takes more faith than believing in an omnipotent being who isn't limited in time and space.hiphops_savior

show me a man that isnt a fool and i will show you god. show me a man that will show me god and i will show you a fool. if god exists then he will find me or i will stumble upon him. there will be no looking.

BOBBALOOUUUUUU

The question now is, do any atheists believe in heaven or do they have any explanation as to that might not exist...HarshGamer

[QUOTE="HarshGamer"]The question now is, do any atheists believe in heaven or do they have any explanation as to that might not exist...foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

[QUOTE="HarshGamer"]The question now is, do any atheists believe in heaven or do they have any explanation as to that might not exist...Bi-Polaroid

i would prefer something with some soul. maybe some funk or jazz.

[QUOTE="Bi-Polaroid"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]
Do you have an explanation showing that it does exist? And on top of that, which conceptualization of "heaven" are we going to talk about here? Clouds and angels with harps, or a realm of extreme bliss incomprehensible to the human mind?

BOBBALOOUUUUUU

i would prefer something with some soul. maybe some funk or jazz.

[QUOTE="Bi-Polaroid"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]
Do you have an explanation showing that it does exist? And on top of that, which conceptualization of "heaven" are we going to talk about here? Clouds and angels with harps, or a realm of extreme bliss incomprehensible to the human mind?

BOBBALOOUUUUUU

i would prefer something with some soul. maybe some funk or jazz.

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="hi_im_dave"]

damn

I just read all 600 or whatever posts. I'm being honest. Atheism makes so much sense.

ah....it seems so wrong though.....I think because I was raised a Christian from a very young age (4 yrs old).

I started reading the God Delusion, but I'm kinda afraid to continue. I know I'm going to be an atheist when I'm done reading it.

hi_im_dave

I would break my mom's heart. I go to a Christian University. All of my friends are Christian. The list goes on.

I guess I don't have to tell them.

[QUOTE="HomicidalCherry"]

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"] I'm not sure what you mean by supernatural, but I certainly believe in miracles. I see no reason why God incarnate being able to perform miracles wouldn't be believable.

Most of the supernatural parts, if I understant you correctly, are said to have been performed by God either directly or through others.hiphops_savior

Any non-biased reader would have to have no opinion on God or miracles. In order for this person to believe that the miracles described in the Bible actually happened, they would have to make the assumptions that God exists, that Jesus is the son of God, that God is omnipotent, and that God (Jesus) committed the miracles described in the Bible. They would have to do all of this with no concrete evidence. No rational person would make so many large leaps in logic and so many assumptions just because it is written in a book unless they had the pre-conceived notion that this book was true.

The creationists's argument is a big chasm. They just cut to the conclusion and say "something can't come from nothing!". Most people here know that it's a flawed statement. But two questions remain: What really caused the big bang? And why did it have to be a random event?

Oh, by the way, when I said to show me the facts supporting evolution, I was talking about evolution like going from one species to another. I definitely believe in adaptations and whatnot, but evolution from one species to another? Nuh-uh.

So please, present to me the concrete facts supporting the theory of evolution.

P.S. Don't expect a reply 'till Tuesday.

HipYoungster42

Oh, by the way, when I said to show me the facts supporting evolution, I was talking about evolution like going from one species to another. I definitely believe in adaptations and whatnot, but evolution from one species to another? Nuh-uh.

So please, present to me the concrete facts supporting the theory of evolution.

P.S. Don't expect a reply 'till Tuesday.

HipYoungster42

[QUOTE="SpartanNapoleon"][QUOTE="BumFluff122"]Consciousness isn't a physical thing. It is a word used to describe physical things.

BumFluff122

This should do.

Got_to_go

Dang, that's a long list. I'll get back to you on that when I've read through most of it.

[QUOTE="HipYoungster42"]

Oh, by the way, when I said to show me the facts supporting evolution, I was talking about evolution like going from one species to another. I definitely believe in adaptations and whatnot, but evolution from one species to another? Nuh-uh.

So please, present to me the concrete facts supporting the theory of evolution.

P.S. Don't expect a reply 'till Tuesday.

snowman6251

lol What's so weird about that?:P

Good lets assume that consciousness comes from matter. Then the odds that you are conscious are gathered when you put all the matter of conscious beings divided by the total matter in the universe. The odds of you being conscious whatever you want to put on here as your estimation of total mass of conscious beings divided by 3 × 10^52. No matter what realistic estimates you give the chances of you being consciously alive by random luck are close to 1/infinity which is zero.

SpartanNapoleon

I don't believe in God because there's no evidence of god, quite simple really. The question should be how come people believe in god with no evidence.

Brainkiller05

dude how come there's no evidence

let's talk logic

if you were walking in a desert and you see foot prints of a human then you'll take that as an EVIDENCE that a human was walking this way

and if you look at a tree and you see a bird's nest then you'll know that a bird lives here

so just thinking about all this perfection in creation in this world doesn't make you believe that there's a God that created the sky the planets the moon the stars the animals trees humans everything i mean it's not logical not to believe, and if there was no God then how did this world come to existence i want you or any athiest to answer me on that

dude how come there's no evidence

let's talk logic

if you were walking in a desert and you see foot prints of a human then you'll take that as an EVIDENCE that a human was walking this way

and if you look at a tree and you see a bird's nest then you'll know that a bird lives here

so just thinking about all this perfection in creation in this world doesn't make you believe that there's a God that created the sky the planets the moon the stars the animals trees humans everything i mean it's not logical not to believe, and if there was no God then how did this world come to existence i want you or any athiest to answer me on that

ChidoriBoyU

People psychological feelings when they believe in God and how it lifts their spirits is not evidence for God. It is evidence that a belief in something can bring warmth into their lives. Many beliefs do that, not just the belief in God. So you are trying to say that not only do we have the five sense commonly known to all men but we have a 6th weird sense that allows us to believe in a God? Ok. You have to understand man is not driven to believe in a God. What he is driven for is knwoledge of the world around him. As soon as we are out of our mothers womb and have our eyes wide open to the world we begin taking in sensory perception and we begin tryign to learn more about the world around us. It has nothing to do with God. You're trying to claim and thought evidence for something else is evidence for there beign a God.BumFluff122

Because we have found other solar systems through out our galaxy alone.... We have found far less active areas than ours as well.. Our positioning in the Galaxy and such is nothing new what so ever.. sSubZerOo

[QUOTE="ChidoriBoyU"]

dude how come there's no evidence

let's talk logic

if you were walking in a desert and you see foot prints of a human then you'll take that as an EVIDENCE that a human was walking this way

and if you look at a tree and you see a bird's nest then you'll know that a bird lives here

so just thinking about all this perfection in creation in this world doesn't make you believe that there's a God that created the sky the planets the moon the stars the animals trees humans everything i mean it's not logical not to believe, and if there was no God then how did this world come to existence i want you or any athiest to answer me on that

BumFluff122

by "perfect" i mean perfectly designed perfectly made,for example has the night ever come before the day once?,has a planet moved from it's radial path around the sun for once?,i mean they all follow laws of nature,look at the connection between animals and plants,the food chains are so organized,what i'm trying to say just how every country has laws this universe has natural laws and laws don't come or appear by themselves someone puts these laws,so i believe natural laws are put by someone that is greater than nature itself in other words the creator of nature and that means God,i believe we humans are the ones who destroyed this world for our selfish matters,but that DOESN'T mean this world or God are imperfect,we-humans-are the ones imperfect,you get what i mean yeah?

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]People psychological feelings when they believe in God and how it lifts their spirits is not evidence for God. It is evidence that a belief in something can bring warmth into their lives. Many beliefs do that, not just the belief in God. So you are trying to say that not only do we have the five sense commonly known to all men but we have a 6th weird sense that allows us to believe in a God? Ok. You have to understand man is not driven to believe in a God. What he is driven for is knwoledge of the world around him. As soon as we are out of our mothers womb and have our eyes wide open to the world we begin taking in sensory perception and we begin tryign to learn more about the world around us. It has nothing to do with God. You're trying to claim and thought evidence for something else is evidence for there beign a God.Vandalvideo

Well as far as I can tell consciously I am not an atheist, but what to me is a compelling argument for atheism is that many facets and causes of religion and things related to the supernatural can be nowadays explained through psychology. sociology etc, thus taking away the veil of mystery that covered them and consequently draining away most (if not all) of their proof-value.

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="ChidoriBoyU"]

dude how come there's no evidence

let's talk logic

if you were walking in a desert and you see foot prints of a human then you'll take that as an EVIDENCE that a human was walking this way

and if you look at a tree and you see a bird's nest then you'll know that a bird lives here

so just thinking about all this perfection in creation in this world doesn't make you believe that there's a God that created the sky the planets the moon the stars the animals trees humans everything i mean it's not logical not to believe, and if there was no God then how did this world come to existence i want you or any athiest to answer me on that

ChidoriBoyU

by "perfect" i mean perfectly designed perfectly made,for example has the night ever come before the day once?,has a planet moved from it's radial path around the sun for once?,i mean they all follow laws of nature,look at the connection between animals and plants,the food chains are so organized,what i'm trying to say just how every country has laws this universe has natural laws and laws don't come or appear by themselves someone puts these laws,so i believe natural laws are put by someone that is greater than nature itself in other words the creator of nature and that means God,i believe we humans are the ones who destroyed this world for our selfish matters,but that DOESN'T mean this world or God are imperfect,we-humans-are the ones imperfect,you get what i mean yeah?

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="BumFluff122"]People psychological feelings when they believe in God and how it lifts their spirits is not evidence for God. It is evidence that a belief in something can bring warmth into their lives. Many beliefs do that, not just the belief in God. So you are trying to say that not only do we have the five sense commonly known to all men but we have a 6th weird sense that allows us to believe in a God? Ok. You have to understand man is not driven to believe in a God. What he is driven for is knwoledge of the world around him. As soon as we are out of our mothers womb and have our eyes wide open to the world we begin taking in sensory perception and we begin tryign to learn more about the world around us. It has nothing to do with God. You're trying to claim and thought evidence for something else is evidence for there beign a God.BumFluff122

[QUOTE="ChidoriBoyU"]

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"] please explain to me how it is perfect. Since there is only one universe that we know of how do you measure this perfection against a universe that is imperfect?

BumFluff122

by "perfect" i mean perfectly designed perfectly made,for example has the night ever come before the day once?,has a planet moved from it's radial path around the sun for once?,i mean they all follow laws of nature,look at the connection between animals and plants,the food chains are so organized,what i'm trying to say just how every country has laws this universe has natural laws and laws don't come or appear by themselves someone puts these laws,so i believe natural laws are put by someone that is greater than nature itself in other words the creator of nature and that means God,i believe we humans are the ones who destroyed this world for our selfish matters,but that DOESN'T mean this world or God are imperfect,we-humans-are the ones imperfect,you get what i mean yeah?

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="ChidoriBoyU"]

by "perfect" i mean perfectly designed perfectly made,for example has the night ever come before the day once?,has a planet moved from it's radial path around the sun for once?,i mean they all follow laws of nature,look at the connection between animals and plants,the food chains are so organized,what i'm trying to say just how every country has laws this universe has natural laws and laws don't come or appear by themselves someone puts these laws,so i believe natural laws are put by someone that is greater than nature itself in other words the creator of nature and that means God,i believe we humans are the ones who destroyed this world for our selfish matters,but that DOESN'T mean this world or God are imperfect,we-humans-are the ones imperfect,you get what i mean yeah?

ChidoriBoyU

but the day starts from the morning to the night not the opposite and about the planets what you say is true but does it always stay this way? no,and God is perfect and he created us and other creatures ,i believe in that,we are imperfects that's why we seek someone who is perfect and that someone is God ChidoriBoyU

[QUOTE="ChidoriBoyU"]

by "perfect" i mean perfectly designed perfectly made,for example has the night ever come before the day once?,has a planet moved from it's radial path around the sun for once?,i mean they all follow laws of nature,look at the connection between animals and plants,the food chains are so organized,what i'm trying to say just how every country has laws this universe has natural laws and laws don't come or appear by themselves someone puts these laws,so i believe natural laws are put by someone that is greater than nature itself in other words the creator of nature and that means God,i believe we humans are the ones who destroyed this world for our selfish matters,but that DOESN'T mean this world or God are imperfect,we-humans-are the ones imperfect,you get what i mean yeah?

[QUOTE="ChidoriBoyU"] but the day starts from the morning to the night not the opposite and about the planets what you say is true but does it always stay this way? no,and God is perfect and he created us and other creatures ,i believe in that,we are imperfects that's why we seek someone who is perfect and that someone is God BumFluff122

yes the day-night cycle would change if a massive object passed near the earth and changed i's rotation due to gravity but does it happen?no

and about my previous question

you said that a palnet radial path would change by a passing star but i believe if this happened then that planet would return to it's path due to the continuos gravity of the sun

[QUOTE="ChidoriBoyU"][QUOTE="BumFluff122"]the night comes before the day every 24 hours. Planets cna get pulled away from their path by a passing star. They all follow laws of nature as does the star pulling the planet from it's path. How exactly do you know what these physical laws consist of? Or how they came to be? If God were perfect his creations would be perfect. It would be impossible for him to create anything that is imperfect.

sSubZerOo

He is sexless, but for human understanding we have labeled him...er it.

Couple parables are a Hen(God) and her chicks, and a shepherd(God) and his lambs. So, God can be female or male, but really is sexless.