So Atheists, What's Your Rationale In Your Belief Of No God?

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[QUOTE="Bourbons3"][QUOTE="gubrushadow"] that makes no sense , who are the original parents of us al ?? who told them how to have kids ?? how did they communicate ?? these questions need answers , its only supported in the holy booksgubrushadow

It makes perfect sense. We're on Earth because Earth is suitable. Not the other way around. well i dont think you would believe me , but there must be a life after death rite ?? you cant just die and then what ?? black screen ?? everybody has his opinions , and you , me and everynody will know the answer when they die , end convs , because this will lead to nowere I think animals/humans can work out for themselves how to have kids. And communication develops over time, as do specific languages. If we were able to develop over thousands of years in intelligence, lifespan, and technology, why couldn't we have developed our own languages? Why can't human existence develop gradually? Why does it all have to be created by God?

well i dont think after death is the end ?? what black screen ?? there is something after death , my believes is another life , i dunno what you belive , but i dont think this conv will lead to something so i think we have to end it

What the heck happened there? I didn't say half of that.
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oh yeah thats rite , this giant universe , the humans , everything , oh yeah it all came by itself , no one created them ! come on people the evidence is one thing , everything is an evidence , just because we are so intelligenty we reached the moon ?? you want a scientific evidence , then can anybody explain were did this universe come from ?? if your answer is the BIG BANG or the atoms , well from were did they come from ??gubrushadow
The universe did not come from the Big Bang. The universe existed before the Big bang. The universe just began expanding. Before the universe and th ematter within it existed in it's present form all matter was condensed into an infinitely dense point. Where that infinityely dense point, or that infinitely dense 'universe' came from is open for debate. The cause for the origin of the point is open for debate. However stating that that cause must be God because we don't know is a fallacy.

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#103 HipYoungster42
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[QUOTE="HipYoungster42"]

So basically, most of you don't believe in God because either a)-there's no evidence or b)-because it just seems like a stupid idea.

M'kay, I see.

gubrushadow

what about you ??

Me? I'm a Unificationist, and a strong believer in God.

Also, I'd like to point out that I don't blindly believe in God. I believe in God, yes, partially because of my upbringing, but also because I've been shown evidence of God existence. I'd probably say that the biggest evidence of the existence of God is theuniverse itself. When you look at the universe, you can clearly see that everything works according to scientific principle; nothing happens by chance.This shows that the universe did notbegin randomly, and does not operate randomly. This shows that there must have been some design behind the universe, and with every design, there is a designer. This designer is quite frankly, God.

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[QUOTE="gubrushadow"]oh yeah thats rite , this giant universe , the humans , everything , oh yeah it all came by itself , no one created them ! come on people the evidence is one thing , everything is an evidence , just because we are so intelligenty we reached the moon ?? you want a scientific evidence , then can anybody explain were did this universe come from ?? if your answer is the BIG BANG or the atoms , well from were did they come from ??BumFluff122

The universe did not come from the Big Bang. The universe existed before the Big bang. The universe just began expanding. Before the universe and th ematter within it existed in it's present form all matter was condensed into an infinitely dense point. Where that infinityely dense point, or that infinitely dense 'universe' came from is open for debate. The cause for the origin of the point is open for debate. However stating that that cause must be God because we don't know is a fallacy.

I'm afraid you have just blown Bourbons3's mind...
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#105 nish2280
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[QUOTE="gubrushadow"][QUOTE="HipYoungster42"]

So basically, most of you don't believe in God because either a)-there's no evidence or b)-because it just seems like a stupid idea.

M'kay, I see.

HipYoungster42

what about you ??

Me? I'm a Unificationist, and a strong believer in God.

Also, I'd like to point out that I don't blindly believe in God. I believe in God, yes, partially because of my upbringing, but also because I've been shown evidence of God existence. I'd probably say that the biggest evidence of the existence of God is theuniverse itself. When you look at the universe, you can clearly see that everything works according to scientific principle; nothing happens by chance.This shows that the universe did notbegin randomly, and does not operate randomly. This shows that there must have been some design behind the universe, and with every design, there is a designer. This designer is quite frankly, God.

...prove it
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#106 BumFluff122
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[QUOTE="FamiBox"]

[QUOTE="gubrushadow"]

everybody has his own believes , each one must respect the other i think

gubrushadow

I own respect what is logical and backed up by evidence.

can you give me the evidence that this universe came all out bu itself ?? and hoe did the human been here on earth , is it a coincidence that the human was on earth the suitable planet of life ?? why wasn't he on mars for example ??

You need to look up the word 'evolution'.

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#107 oh_boss
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[QUOTE="gubrushadow"] what about you ??BumFluff122

Me? I'm a Unificationist, and a strong believer in God.

Also, I'd like to point out that I don't blindly believe in God. I believe in God, yes, partially because of my upbringing, but also because I've been shown evidence of God existence. I'd probably say that the biggest evidence of the existence of God is theuniverse itself. When you look at the universe, you can clearly see that everything works according to scientific principle; nothing happens by chance.This shows that the universe did notbegin randomly, and does not operate randomly. This shows that there must have been some design behind the universe, and with every design, there is a designer. This designer is quite frankly, God.

...prove it

You didn't understand the notion of his post. Excelence mister Hipyoungster.
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#108 oh_boss
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[QUOTE="oh_boss"][QUOTE="bangell99"]

There is absolutely no evidence for the existence of God, and to believe in him is just as foolish and ridiculous as believing in unicorns or magical dwarves that live in outer space.

bangell99

It's not the same. The notion of god is much deeper if you think outside of the box.

It's certainly more complex and meaningful, but no less ridiculous to believe in.

What do you mean ridiculous?
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#109 GazaAli
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what is that? your excuses are getting old already. invent something else.
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#110 oh_boss
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what is that? your excuses are getting old already. invent something else.GazaAli
Are you talking to me?
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#111 GazaAli
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[QUOTE="GazaAli"]what is that? your excuses are getting old already. invent something else.oh_boss
Are you talking to me?

in general.
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#112 Got_to_go
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I'm an atheist because the idea it makes a lot more sense to me. I feel that the idea of God is what people invented to explain what was unexplainable.
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[QUOTE="gubrushadow"][QUOTE="HipYoungster42"]

So basically, most of you don't believe in God because either a)-there's no evidence or b)-because it just seems like a stupid idea.

M'kay, I see.

HipYoungster42

what about you ??

Me? I'm a Unificationist, and a strong believer in God.

Also, I'd like to point out that I don't blindly believe in God. I believe in God, yes, partially because of my upbringing, but also because I've been shown evidence of God existence. I'd probably say that the biggest evidence of the existence of God is theuniverse itself. When you look at the universe, you can clearly see that everything works according to scientific principle; nothing happens by chance.This shows that the universe did notbegin randomly, and does not operate randomly. This shows that there must have been some design behind the universe, and with every design, there is a designer. This designer is quite frankly, God.

Sorry but your evidence is fail, since when does everything that operates by laws and scientific principles have to have a designer? This shows that the universe did notbegin randomly, and does not operate randomly. This statement i agree with but it in no way indictes nor suggests that the universe was designed, it is fallacious to makesuch a claim. and if eerything what works by ordered principles needs a designer, then who designed God? you see the point? you get into this endless chain of design. I recognize that the universe obey laws such as gravity and follows principles. But these principles are inherent aspects of the universe, they are not designed by anything or anyone, they are there and have always been there.

Many things have a designer. Buildings, bridges, cars. However many things do not, waterfalls, life, planets. To say that all these things must have a designer just because the 0.0000001% of the universethat we created has a designer is incredibly fallacious

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#114 BumFluff122
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[QUOTE="oh_boss"][QUOTE="GazaAli"]what is that? your excuses are getting old already. invent something else.GazaAli
Are you talking to me?

in general.

if you're talking in general then perhaps you can explain your question of "What is that?" what specifrically are you asking about?

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#115 oh_boss
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I'm an atheist because the idea it makes a lot more sense to me. I feel that the idea of God is what people invented to explain what was unexplainable.Got_to_go
This is actually being taught in schools. About old religions though.But I do not doubt it counts for the current religions too.
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I just don't believe what is written down. It makes no sense, there is no evidence, and science does a much better job of explaining crap to me.
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#117 oh_boss
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[QUOTE="HipYoungster42"]

[QUOTE="gubrushadow"] what about you ??STAR_Admiral

Me? I'm a Unificationist, and a strong believer in God.

Also, I'd like to point out that I don't blindly believe in God. I believe in God, yes, partially because of my upbringing, but also because I've been shown evidence of God existence. I'd probably say that the biggest evidence of the existence of God is theuniverse itself. When you look at the universe, you can clearly see that everything works according to scientific principle; nothing happens by chance.This shows that the universe did notbegin randomly, and does not operate randomly. This shows that there must have been some design behind the universe, and with every design, there is a designer. This designer is quite frankly, God.

Sorry but your evidence is fail, since when does everything that operates by laws and scientific principles have to have a designer? This shows that the universe did notbegin randomly, and does not operate randomly. This statement i agree with but it in no way indictes nor suggests that the universe was designed, it is fallacious to makesuch a claim. and if eerything what works by ordered principles needs a designer, then who designed God? you see the point? you get into this endless chain of design. I recognize that the universe obey laws such as gravity and follows principles. But these principles are inherent aspects of the universe, they are not designed by anything or anyone, they are there and have always been there.

Forgive me if I'm wrong but he wasn't talking literally.
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#118 oh_boss
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It makes no sense.wstfld
Speak for yourself.
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#119 GazaAli
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[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="oh_boss"] Are you talking to me?BumFluff122

in general.

if you're talking in general then perhaps you can explain your question of "What is that?" what specifrically are you asking about?

the excuses you guys are providing as the reasons why you are atheists are getting old and boring.
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#121 Bourbons3
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[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="gubrushadow"]oh yeah thats rite , this giant universe , the humans , everything , oh yeah it all came by itself , no one created them ! come on people the evidence is one thing , everything is an evidence , just because we are so intelligenty we reached the moon ?? you want a scientific evidence , then can anybody explain were did this universe come from ?? if your answer is the BIG BANG or the atoms , well from were did they come from ??nish2280

The universe did not come from the Big Bang. The universe existed before the Big bang. The universe just began expanding. Before the universe and th ematter within it existed in it's present form all matter was condensed into an infinitely dense point. Where that infinityely dense point, or that infinitely dense 'universe' came from is open for debate. The cause for the origin of the point is open for debate. However stating that that cause must be God because we don't know is a fallacy.

I'm afraid you have just blown Bourbons3's mind...

I've said before that previous universes have probably existed before this one.
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#122 oh_boss
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[QUOTE="oh_boss"][QUOTE="wstfld"]It makes no sense.FamiBox

Speak for yourself.

Quote mining? Now that's grasping at straws.

Actually I agreed with the rest of his sayings.
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#123 BumFluff122
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[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="GazaAli"] in general.GazaAli

if you're talking in general then perhaps you can explain your question of "What is that?" what specifrically are you asking about?

the excuses you guys are providing as the reasons why you are atheists are getting old and boring.

The excuses? The reason why you think they are getting old is because it is the same reason why many people don't believe in an invisible superman or a flying sppaghetti monster or pink unicorns with tentacles coming out of their eyes. There is no evidence. Since the beginning of your religion of choice there has not been any evidence. That is why to believe one must have 'faith'. Would you like us to come up with another reason why we don't believe?

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oh yeah thats rite , this giant universe , the humans , everything , oh yeah it all came by itself , no one created them ! come on people the evidence is one thing , everything is an evidence , just because we are so intelligenty we reached the moon ?? you want a scientific evidence , then can anybody explain were did this universe come from ?? if your answer is the BIG BANG or the atoms , well from were did they come from ??gubrushadow
Lack of knowledge about something does not automatically mean it is the product of an invisible man in the sky. Where did your god come from? Did you come to be out of nothing? Because that is no different than saying that the universe came out of nothing.
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#125 oh_boss
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[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="BumFluff122"]if you're talking in general then perhaps you can explain your question of "What is that?" what specifrically are you asking about?

BumFluff122

the excuses you guys are providing as the reasons why you are atheists are getting old and boring.

The excuses? The reason why you think they are getting old is because it is the same reason why many people don't believe in an invisible superman or a flying sppaghetti monster or pink unicorns with tentacles coming out of their eyes. There is no evidence. Since the beginning of your religion of choice there has not been any evidence. That is why to believe one must have 'faith'. Would you like us to come up with another reason why we don't believe?

You're not supposed to prove religion. D:
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#126 FamiBox
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[QUOTE="FamiBox"]

[QUOTE="oh_boss"] Speak for yourself.oh_boss

Quote mining? Now that's grasping at straws.

Actually I agreed with the rest of his sayings.

Yeah. I deleted my post.

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[QUOTE="gubrushadow"]oh yeah thats rite , this giant universe , the humans , everything , oh yeah it all came by itself , no one created them ! come on people the evidence is one thing , everything is an evidence , just because we are so intelligenty we reached the moon ?? you want a scientific evidence , then can anybody explain were did this universe come from ?? if your answer is the BIG BANG or the atoms , well from were did they come from ??BumFluff122

The universe did not come from the Big Bang. The universe existed before the Big bang. The universe just began expanding. Before the universe and th ematter within it existed in it's present form all matter was condensed into an infinitely dense point. Where that infinityely dense point, or that infinitely dense 'universe' came from is open for debate. The cause for the origin of the point is open for debate. However stating that that cause must be God because we don't know is a fallacy.

whats this? someone with an actual understanding of the big bang theory on a religious thread? such a thing is unheard of!

anyway, i dont believe in god for a few reasons

1. the obvious, i am yet to find any logical evidence to show the existence of a god, and until i get proof i will continue to live my life my way.

2. science- when you actually go deep into science you not only find that its very interesting (imo :P) it also makes very little reason for their to have been a god that created it all

3. when i look at the world we live in i cant see how a god, a loving god, could create the starting blocks of this world and then do nothing about it when it all starts falling apart.

religion was useful centuries ago when we had no idea how anything in nature happend, or how anything came to be, but it seems an idea thats becoming redundant in modern times.

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oh yeah thats rite , this giant universe , the humans , everything , oh yeah it all came by itself , no one created them ! come on people the evidence is one thing , everything is an evidence , just because we are so intelligenty we reached the moon ?? you want a scientific evidence , then can anybody explain were did this universe come from ?? if your answer is the BIG BANG or the atoms , well from were did they come from ??gubrushadow

You could make an argument saying where did god come from. Something must have happened before him. Also I'm agnostic-theist just to clear things up.

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#129 BumFluff122
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[QUOTE="GazaAli"] the excuses you guys are providing as the reasons why you are atheists are getting old and boring.oh_boss

The excuses? The reason why you think they are getting old is because it is the same reason why many people don't believe in an invisible superman or a flying sppaghetti monster or pink unicorns with tentacles coming out of their eyes. There is no evidence. Since the beginning of your religion of choice there has not been any evidence. That is why to believe one must have 'faith'. Would you like us to come up with another reason why we don't believe?

You're not supposed to prove religion. D:

Without proof believers are placing their faith in something no one knows exists. Without proof there is absolutely no reason to believe in what religious followrs believe in. Where is the proof? Everything in this thread so far has been things like "Well look at the universe and how it works!" That is the main argument theists have when it comes to providing 'proof' for their beliefs.

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#130 oh_boss
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[QUOTE="oh_boss"][QUOTE="BumFluff122"]The excuses? The reason why you think they are getting old is because it is the same reason why many people don't believe in an invisible superman or a flying sppaghetti monster or pink unicorns with tentacles coming out of their eyes. There is no evidence. Since the beginning of your religion of choice there has not been any evidence. That is why to believe one must have 'faith'. Would you like us to come up with another reason why we don't believe?

BumFluff122

You're not supposed to prove religion. D:

Without proof believers are placing their faith in something no one knows exists. Without proof there is absolutely no reason to believe in what religious followrs believe in. Where is the proof? Everything in this thread so far has been things like "Well look at the universe and how it works!" That is the main argument theists have when it comes to providing 'proof' for their beliefs.

Well as I said before, religion isn't comparable to any science. You know those drawings which are considered art to some but just a bunch of random lines to others?

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People need to stop asking for evidence of god or using the lack their of to make the statement that he doesn't exist.

1. Religion is a faith based practice, it's the only rational way for any god to see who truly does believe. Imagine if god came down today, suddenly tons of atheists turn Christian or w/e it's counter productive if you watch it from that sense as God would only want those who truly believe.

2. The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

Just my 2cents :P

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Well as I said before, religion isn't comparable to any science. You know those drawings which are considered art to some but just a bunch of random lines to others?

oh_boss

Science is the study of evidence and the forming and testign of theories base don that evidence. Religion is belief without testing and without evidence. If there was evidence for religion it would stop becomign a religion and become a scientific fact, being able to be studied and tested. Religion doesn't meet the qualifications to become fact. It does however meet the qualifications of a fantasy. Until that some aspect fo that fantasy is proven through evidence it will continue beign labelled as such.

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#133 BumFluff122
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2. The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence

Espada12

No it isn't. You may also want to point out that the absence of evidence of non-existence is not proof of existence.

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#134 oh_boss
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[QUOTE="oh_boss"]

Well as I said before, religion isn't comparable to any science. You know those drawings which are considered art to some but just a bunch of random lines to others?

BumFluff122

Science is the study of evidence and the forming and testign of theories base don that evidence. Religion is belief without testing and without evidence. If there was evidence for religion it would stop becomign a religion and become a scientific fact, being able to be studied and tested. Religion doesn't meet the qualifications to become fact. It does however meet the qualifications of a fantasy. Until that some aspect fo that fantasy is proven through evidence it will continue beign labelled as such.

I think you misinterpreted my post...or I just can't understand why you responded with that. D: I totally agree though.

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#135 Espada12
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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

2. The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence

BumFluff122

No it isn't. You may also want to point out that the absence of evidence of non-existence is not proof of existence.

That's true, but unless you can disprove or them prove we are going no where. In death we shall all know!

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Lol @ people who are asking for evidence of God to believe in it.oh_boss
What's so funny about wanting evidence before you believe in something? If you heard someone say that Obama was shot, and no one else knows about this, would you believe them? I'm the same way with my religion. So, a big bunch of people say that a god exists. What do they have to show me for it besides a book? And those believing in a god can't even agree on which one they believe in, so I can't trust my beliefs to them. Bottom line is, that I want to live my life knowing what I'm doing and what I'm looking forward to. Worshiping a god that I don't even have evidence of existence would be a waste of my life, because then I'd be changing the way I live. Which brings me to asking you a question: If you heard that Obama was shot from one person (let's say among ten) and none of the other people knew about it or had proof of it, would you believe them?
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#137 BumFluff122
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[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="oh_boss"]

Well as I said before, religion isn't comparable to any science. You know those drawings which are considered art to some but just a bunch of random lines to others?

oh_boss

Science is the study of evidence and the forming and testing of theories base don that evidence. Religion is belief without testing and without evidence. If there was evidence for religion it would stop becomign a religion and become a scientific fact, being able to be studied and tested. Religion doesn't meet the qualifications to become fact. It does however meet the qualifications of a fantasy. Until that some aspect fo that fantasy is proven through evidence it will continue beign labelled as such.

I think you misinterpreted my post...or I just can't understand why you responded with that. D:

I responded with that because many believers put evidence for certain scientific theories and evidence for religion on equal ground. Which it sounded like you were alluding to.

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#138 oh_boss
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[QUOTE="oh_boss"]Lol @ people who are asking for evidence of God to believe in it.SoraX64
What's so funny about wanting evidence before you believe in something? If you heard someone say that Obama was shot, and no one else knows about this, would you believe them? I'm the same way with my religion. So, a big bunch of people say that a god exists. What do they have to show me for it besides a book? And those believing in a god can't even agree on which one they believe in, so I can't trust my beliefs to them. Bottom line is, that I want to live my life knowing what I'm doing and what I'm looking forward to. Worshiping a god that I don't even have evidence of existence would be a waste of my life, because then I'd be changing the way I live. Which brings me to asking you a question: If you heard that Obama was shot from one person (let's say among ten) and none of the other people knew about it or had proof of it, would you believe them?

I wouldn't believe them, no. Faith is totally different though. More spiritual, not asking for physical evidence. Only the right interpretation.
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#139 urdead18
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"Two hands working accomplish more than a thousand clasped in prayer."

Religion is an obstacle that has to be overcome in order for humans to advance at a quicker pace.

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#140 oh_boss
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[QUOTE="oh_boss"][QUOTE="BumFluff122"]Science is the study of evidence and the forming and testing of theories base don that evidence. Religion is belief without testing and without evidence. If there was evidence for religion it would stop becomign a religion and become a scientific fact, being able to be studied and tested. Religion doesn't meet the qualifications to become fact. It does however meet the qualifications of a fantasy. Until that some aspect fo that fantasy is proven through evidence it will continue beign labelled as such.

BumFluff122

I think you misinterpreted my post...or I just can't understand why you responded with that. D:

I responded with that because many believers put evidence for certain scientific theories and evidence for religion on equal ground. Which it sounded like you were alluding to.

I meant exactly the same thing when I said you can't compare religion to science!

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#141 gubrushadow
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let me give an example to those who says of science , in our ancieny holy book , GOD said that : "the universe will give you back what you will send " and if you have made your research you should know that scientists discovered that every signal they send through space returns to them directly , isnt that a simple proof ??
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#142 BumFluff122
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That's true, but unless you can disprove or them prove we are going no where. In death we shall all know!

Espada12

Different types of God's can be disproven. Or rather, different ideas of Gods can be proven false. There is a reason why religion is plastic when looking in the face of scientific evidence that doesn't support their ideas. 1000 years ago it was believed that God created every creature on Earth as it was. Now practically everyone believes in evolution, whether it is what they personally call micro-evolution or not. Times change and beliefs change with them.

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#143 Brainkiller05
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People need to stop asking for evidence of god or using the lack their of to make the statement that he doesn't exist.

1. Religion is a faith based practice, it's the only rational way for any god to see who truly does believe. Imagine if god came down today, suddenly tons of atheists turn Christian or w/e it's counter productive if you watch it from that sense as God would only want those who truly believe.

2. The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

Just my 2cents :P

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Well there's no evidence and there's thousands of religions and most are geographical, thus if I was born in another part of the world I would believe in another religion

therefore there's no possible way to know which is the true god, you're just gambling and hoping you were born in the place which just happened to choose the right god

so taken this into account I really doubt God is going to punish people (99% of the population) because they didn't believe in him or they got a tattoo or something

If god exists then he isn't the ones described in the religions, as if an all powerful being cares if you get a tattoo, or swear, or work on sundays or believe in him

let me give an example to those who says of science , in our ancieny holy book , GOD said that : "the universe will give you back what you will send " and if you have made your research you should know that scientists discovered that every signal they send through space returns to them directly , isnt that a simple proof ??gubrushadow

scraping the bottom of the barrel now?

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#144 BumFluff122
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[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="oh_boss"] I think you misinterpreted my post...or I just can't understand why you responded with that. D:oh_boss

I responded with that because many believers put evidence for certain scientific theories and evidence for religion on equal ground. Which it sounded like you were alluding to.

I meant exactly the same thing when I said you can't compare religion to science!

It's odd then that many theists all over the internet compare them left and right. Science is not trying to be compared to religion. Science is the advancement of understandign of the natural world. Religion attmpts to make understanding of the supernatural world.

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#145 BumFluff122
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let me give an example to those who says of science , in our ancieny holy book , GOD said that : "the universe will give you back what you will send " and if you have made your research you should know that scientists discovered that every signal they send through space returns to them directly , isnt that a simple proof ??gubrushadow
No. Basts do exactly the same thing when they fly. Perhaps you are trying to explain one of the current hypothesis that science has advanced. That being that the universe is sort of a spheroid in that if you send a signal in one direction eventually it will hit you in the back of the head. Much as if you threw a plane around the Earth when it came back to you it would hit you in the back of the head again.

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#146 CrimzonTide
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Nabokov summed it up nicely: "The nonexistence of God is simple to prove. Impossible to concede, for example, that a serious Jah, all wise and all mighty, could employ his time in such inane fashion as playing with manikins, and - what is still more incongruous - should restrict his game to the dreadfully trite laws of mechanics, chemistry, mathematics, and never - mind you, never! - show his face, but allow himself surreptitious peeps and circumlocutions, and the sneaky whisperings (revelations, indeed!) of contentious truths from behind the back of some gentle hysteric."
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#147 oh_boss
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[QUOTE="oh_boss"]

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]I responded with that because many believers put evidence for certain scientific theories and evidence for religion on equal ground. Which it sounded like you were alluding to.

BumFluff122

I meant exactly the same thing when I said you can't compare religion to science!

It's odd then that many theists all over the internet compare them left and right. Science is not trying to be compared to religion. Science is the advancement of understandign of the natural world. Religion attmpts to make understanding of the supernatural world.

Amen.
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#148 gubrushadow
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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

That's true, but unless you can disprove or them prove we are going no where. In death we shall all know!

BumFluff122

Different types of God's can be disproven. Or rather, different ideas of Gods can be proven false. There is a reason why religion is plastic when looking in the face of scientific evidence that doesn't support their ideas. 1000 years ago it was believed that God created every creature on Earth as it was. Now practically everyone believes in evolution, whether it is what they personally call micro-evolution or not. Times change and beliefs change with them.

you believe that atoms come from nowhere , just by themselves , and then by coincidence formed a giant universe with monkeys , then these monkeys learned how to shave their hair off their skin and how to brush their teeth and make electricity , and not believe in GOD that simply created the human with its mind to know all these things ?? plus lets not forget lucifer who would love to see people disbelieve in GOD
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#149 Brainkiller05
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[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

That's true, but unless you can disprove or them prove we are going no where. In death we shall all know!

gubrushadow

Different types of God's can be disproven. Or rather, different ideas of Gods can be proven false. There is a reason why religion is plastic when looking in the face of scientific evidence that doesn't support their ideas. 1000 years ago it was believed that God created every creature on Earth as it was. Now practically everyone believes in evolution, whether it is what they personally call micro-evolution or not. Times change and beliefs change with them.

you believe that atoms come from nowhere , just by themselves , and then by coincidence formed a giant universe with monkeys , then these monkeys learned how to shave their hair off their skin and how to brush their teeth and make electricity , and not believe in GOD that simply created the human with its mind to know all these things ?? plus lets not forget lucifer who would love to see people disbelieve in GOD

This is also why I'm not religious, I don't wanna be associated with people who say stuff like this.
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#150 gubrushadow
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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

People need to stop asking for evidence of god or using the lack their of to make the statement that he doesn't exist.

1. Religion is a faith based practice, it's the only rational way for any god to see who truly does believe. Imagine if god came down today, suddenly tons of atheists turn Christian or w/e it's counter productive if you watch it from that sense as God would only want those who truly believe.

2. The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

Just my 2cents :P

Brainkiller05

Well there's no evidence and there's thousands of religions and most are geographical, thus if I was born in another part of the world I would believe in another religion

therefore there's no possible way to know which is the true god, you're just gambling and hoping you were born in the place which just happened to choose the right god

so taken this into account I really doubt God is going to punish people (99% of the population) because they didn't believe in him or they got a tattoo or something

If god exists then he isn't the ones described in the religions, as if an all powerful being cares if you get a tattoo, or swear, or work on sundays or believe in him

let me give an example to those who says of science , in our ancieny holy book , GOD said that : "the universe will give you back what you will send " and if you have made your research you should know that scientists discovered that every signal they send through space returns to them directly , isnt that a simple proof ??gubrushadow

scraping the bottom of the barrel now?

what ?? i was just giving an example