So Atheists, What's Your Rationale In Your Belief Of No God?

From a very early age it became clear to me that god was to be treated the same way as Santa Clause, the tooth fairy, the easter bunny and ufo's. All fun to believe in, but ultimately nothing morethan fantasy.

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That's true, but unless you can disprove or them prove we are going no where. In death we shall all know!

gubrushadow

[QUOTE="gubrushadow"]let me give an example to those who says of science , in our ancieny holy book , GOD said that : "the universe will give you back what you will send " and if you have made your research you should know that scientists discovered that every signal they send through space returns to them directly , isnt that a simple proof ??BumFluff122

Same reason I don't believe in purple flying unicorns there is no evidence of any god.

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That's true, but unless you can disprove or them prove we are going no where. In death we shall all know!

gubrushadow

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That's true, but unless you can disprove or them prove we are going no where. In death we shall all know!

gubrushadow

Our ancestors did not learn to shave the hair off their skin. There is evidence the points toward Africa once being a dense jungle wilderness that began to go through desertification. That is, the loss of trees and jungle habitats due to the land becoming more arid over time and due to climate change. Our ancestors, who spent most of their time in trees, began to lose their habitat and needed to make due with what they had at their disposal in their new habitat. As they were evolved for jungle living they needed to adapt to this new habitat in several ways. First they began walking upright. They wouldn't tire otu so quickly be walking upright because it took less energy and they could move for farther distances. Chimps and great apes even do it today. Due to our upright stance we could use our arms and hands for greater tool use and the holding of weapons and such. As time drew on this would lead into more sophisticated tools and weapons that could do the job better which would also lead to the enlargment of various parts of our brains. We lost our hair because we weren't built for running vast distances in search for water or food over open savannah. The less hair we had the longer we could movew and the better we could get away from predators.

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[QUOTE="gubrushadow"]let me give an example to those who says of science , in our ancieny holy book , GOD said that : "the universe will give you back what you will send " and if you have made your research you should know that scientists discovered that every signal they send through space returns to them directly , isnt that a simple proof ??gubrushadow

let me give an example to those who says of science , in our ancieny holy book , GOD said that : "the universe will give you back what you will send " and if you have made your research you should know that scientists discovered that every signal they send through space returns to them directly , isnt that a simple proof ??gubrushadow

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Bumfluff, what's your opinion on my last post? I'm interested in it.oh_boss

[QUOTE="oh_boss"]Bumfluff, what's your opinion on my last post? I'm interested in it.BumFluff122

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[QUOTE="oh_boss"]Bumfluff, what's your opinion on my last post? I'm interested in it.oh_boss

[QUOTE="oh_boss"][QUOTE="BumFluff122"]I think the satetment 'everything happens by chance' is true but only from one perspective. There is no chance when you look at cause and effect. Basically, if there was an origin of everything, everything that exists now was predetermined to exist due to cause and effect right from that first cause. However that is only if there was a first cause.

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Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

TaCoDuDe

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[QUOTE="oh_boss"] So should we conclude that everything that happens is destined to happen from the beginning?oh_boss

[QUOTE="oh_boss"][QUOTE="BumFluff122"]If there even was a beginning. Every cause needs to have a cause. This leads one to think that everything has always been, it's just existed in different forms.

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No on suggested that what so ever.. But the point of the matter is we have no evidence of the boogey man.. Should we start believing in him too with this logic? Of course not.. sSubZerOo

[QUOTE="oh_boss"][QUOTE="BumFluff122"]If there even was a beginning. Every cause needs to have a cause. This leads one to think that everything has always been, it's just existed in different forms.

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[QUOTE="oh_boss"] But is it wrong if we suppose that everything happens by chance, but strickly following nature's rules? gubrushadow

[QUOTE="oh_boss"][QUOTE="BumFluff122"]If there even was a beginning. Every cause needs to have a cause. This leads one to think that everything has always been, it's just existed in different forms.

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[QUOTE="oh_boss"] But is it wrong if we suppose that everything happens by chance, but strickly following nature's rules? sSubZerOo

[QUOTE="nish2280"] ...prove itoh_boss

Uh, thanks, I guess.:P I just want to specify, though, that my main point, because even I acknowledge that my post was poorly organized, is that an intelligent designer must have been the cause of the universe, because of the way the world is organized. Random chaos couldn't have been the cause of the universe, because of the orderliness of the world. If it had been random chaos that had started the universe, the world would merely be a collection of random and chaotic events, with nothing being able to explain itself, and the world probably collapsing upon itself. The many orderly principles of the world of science show that it must have been an intelligent force that created the universe, making everything orderly and coexisting. That force is commonly referred to by religious peoples as "God". (Also, I want to clarify that I am not saying that God is actually some force of nature. The nature of God is a whole 'nother discussion, with which I would have to get philosophy into the mix, which I would rather not do:P).

Forgive me if I'm wrong but he (HipYoungster42) wasn't talking literally.oh_boss

What do you mean by that?

I don't find it logical for an omnipotent being to create this entire world just to "test" us.Maqda7

[QUOTE="gubrushadow"][QUOTE="BumFluff122"]if everythign folows natures rules then there is no such thing as chance.

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[QUOTE="gubrushadow"] then these rules , how did they even been created , if not by their own as you say ?? then how ??gubrushadow

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[QUOTE="oh_boss"] But is it wrong if we suppose that everything happens by chance, but strickly following nature's rules? oh_boss

[QUOTE="oh_boss"][QUOTE="nish2280"] You didn't understand the notion of his post. Excelence mister Hipyoungster.HipYoungster42

Uh, thanks, I guess.:P I just want to specify, though, that my main point, because even I acknowledge that my post was poorly organized, is that an intelligent designer must have been the cause of the universe, because of the way the world is organized. Random chaos couldn't have been the cause of the universe, because of the orderliness of the world. If it had been random chaos that had started the universe, the world would merely be a collection of random and chaotic events, with nothing being able to explain itself, and the world probably collapsing upon itself. The many orderly principles of the world of science show that it must have been an intelligent force that created the universe, making everything orderly and coexisting. That force is commonly referred to by religious peoples as "God". (Also, I want to clarify that I am not saying that God is actually some force of nature. The nature of God is a whole 'nother discussion, with which I would have to get philosophy into the mix, which I would rather not do:P).

Forgive me if I'm wrong but he (HipYoungster42) wasn't talking literally.oh_boss

What do you mean by that?

[QUOTE="gubrushadow"][QUOTE="BumFluff122"]why did they need to be created? And what makes you think that first cause. if there was one, needs to be God?

oh_boss

i still dont understand you , do you believe in GOD or not ??

I don't find it logical for an omnipotent being to create this entire world just to "test" us.Maqda7

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

TaCoDuDe

[QUOTE="oh_boss"][QUOTE="BumFluff122"]if everythign folows natures rules then there is no such thing as chance.

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[QUOTE="oh_boss"][QUOTE="gubrushadow"] yes GOD , who else would have done it , if you watch news , from a month i think , the american scientists concluded that Darwin's theory of evolution is false , if you believe in science so much , then you should believe the american scientists what they said , rite ??gubrushadow

i still dont understand you , do you believe in GOD or not ??

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[QUOTE="oh_boss"] There's a missing link. It doesn't mean it's false.oh_boss

i still dont understand you , do you believe in GOD or not ??

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[QUOTE="oh_boss"] There's a missing link. It doesn't mean it's false.oh_boss

i still dont understand you , do you believe in GOD or not ??

[QUOTE="Maqda7"]I don't find it logical for an omnipotent being to create this entire world just to "test" us.T_P_O

http://www.biblelife.org/evolution.htm the truth is here , wether you want to accept it or notgubrushadow

Well let's say evolution is a hypothesis then until it becomes a theory sometime.

[QUOTE="T_P_O"][QUOTE="Maqda7"]I don't find it logical for an omnipotent being to create this entire world just to "test" us.Maqda7

The whole "Designed by intelligence" argument is possibly the failest thing ever. Your theory goes by the idea that something complex must have been created by an intelligence. This argument fails right here to begin with, as a designer would have be designed, as they are also a complex being.

Not to mention the fact that Evolution has been proven.

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[QUOTE="gubrushadow"] what about you ??STAR_Admiral

Me? I'm a Unificationist, and a strong believer in God.

Also, I'd like to point out that I don't blindly believe in God. I believe in God, yes, partially because of my upbringing, but also because I've been shown evidence of God existence. I'd probably say that the biggest evidence of the existence of God is theuniverse itself. When you look at the universe, you can clearly see that everything works according to scientific principle; nothing happens by chance.This shows that the universe did notbegin randomly, and does not operate randomly. This shows that there must have been some design behind the universe, and with every design, there is a designer. This designer is quite frankly, God.

Many things have a designer. Buildings, bridges, cars. However many things do not, waterfalls, life, planets. To say that all these things must have a designer just because the 0.0000001% of the universethat we created has a designer is incredibly fallacious

That's a whole 'nother discussion, which like I said in my previous post, would force me to bring philosophy into the mix, which I'm trying not to do for the time being.

It has already been proven that the universe had a beginning; the very laws and principles of our universe are no different. They too had a beginning, no matter how many billions of years ago that may have been.

But that's where your wrong. There must have been an intelligent designer to have created those things, or they would have been a lot less orderly than they are today. Anyways, if it hadn't been God who created the universe, and it wasn't random chaos, either, then how do you suppose the universe came to be?

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i still dont understand you , do you believe in GOD or not ??

gubrushadow

Oh I do believe that one of those gods exist but I do not choose to let myself be ruled by said god. I don't believe in christianity's god though. I personally think it's a pile of closeminded BS.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="BumFluff122"]if you're talking in general then perhaps you can explain your question of "What is that?" what specifrically are you asking about?

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i still dont understand you , do you believe in GOD or not ??

T_P_O

Lol :-D . Indeed Thor cannot be doubted.

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[QUOTE="GazaAli"] the excuses you guys are providing as the reasons why you are atheists are getting old and boring.GazaAli

It has already been proven that the universe had a beginning; the very laws and principles of our universe are no different. They too had a beginning, no matter how many billions of years ago that may have been. HipYoungster42

But that's where your wrong. There must have been an intelligent designer to have created those things, or they would have been a lot less orderly than they are today. Anyways, if it hadn't been God who created the universe, and it wasn't random chaos, either, then how do you suppose the universe came to be

But that's where your wrong. There must have been an intelligent designer to have created those things, or they would have been a lot less orderly than they are today. Anyways, if it hadn't been God who created the universe, and it wasn't random chaos, either, then how do you suppose the universe came to be?

HipYoungster42