The United States vs The United Kingdom

• The U.K. doesn't have a host of its millitary personnel stationed in other countries indefinitely and doesn't have a habit of sticking its nose in the business of other countries.

BluRayHiDef

Nah, they only militarily support the U.S. whenever they do it instead.

[QUOTE="Overlord93"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

You can't carry concealed hand guns for personal defense like you can in the US. In fact you can't even own hand guns there period. This means you fail instantly.

A man who is gives up his right to bear arms gives up all his other rights as well.

And good job at countering my points there, you are one skilled debater.

ShadowMoses900

Criminals have guns, they will ALWAYS have guns. They are CRIMINALS, they get them through the BLACK MARKET. Government bans guns, means YOU and other CIVILAINS can't buy guns, doesn't mean the CRIMINALS won't. They now knowing you don't have a way to defend yourself can now go and kill you more easy.

Why is this so hard to understand? Anti-Gun loonys are something else.

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

• The U.K. doesn't have a host of its millitary personnel stationed in other countries indefinitely and doesn't have a habit of sticking its nose in the business of other countries.

coolbeans90

Nah, they only militarily support the U.S. whenever they do it instead.

Lol yep, there are British Troops stationed whever we go. They are no different from us in foreign policy really.

Lol what Jewish ran media? There is no such thing, take off your tin foil hat. And your medai sucks too, paying TAXES for a TV network (BBC)? That's an instant fail bro.

Might as well pay taxes to Newspapers and Radio Stations while your at it :lol:ShadowMoses900

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="Overlord93"] Not even the police carry guns. So what possible reason would you have for having one in self defence?toast_burner

Criminals have guns, they will ALWAYS have guns. They are CRIMINALS, they get them through the BLACK MARKET. Government bans guns, means YOU and other CIVILAINS can't buy guns, doesn't mean the CRIMINALS won't. They now knowing you don't have a way to defend yourself can now go and kill you more easy.

Why is this so hard to understand? Anti-Gun loonys are something else.

Gun Crime among civilains? Yes

Gun Crime against civilians and as a whole? No

BBC News - Met police figures show 48% rise in gun crime in London

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="Overlord93"] Not even the police carry guns. So what possible reason would you have for having one in self defence?toast_burner

Criminals have guns, they will ALWAYS have guns. They are CRIMINALS, they get them through the BLACK MARKET. Government bans guns, means YOU and other CIVILAINS can't buy guns, doesn't mean the CRIMINALS won't. They now knowing you don't have a way to defend yourself can now go and kill you more easy.

Why is this so hard to understand? Anti-Gun loonys are something else.

OmenUK

That has nothing to with the invention of tacos or chow mein.

[QUOTE="Overlord93"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

You can't carry concealed hand guns for personal defense like you can in the US. In fact you can't even own hand guns there period. This means you fail instantly.

A man who is gives up his right to bear arms gives up all his other rights as well.

And good job at countering my points there, you are one skilled debater.

-Sun_Tzu-

The UK and US are equally awful.

Regarding taxes WRT health care: Our government, that is the governments, state, local and Federal, of the United States of America, pay as much for health care as other first world, industrialized western nations - which somehow manage to provide universal health care. Food for thought.

More people are shot dead in Baltimore, a single city in america, each week than in the entirety of the UK every year. So the whole 'criminals are coming to murder you with guns' just doesn't fit here. Hell anyone remember that taxi driver a year or two ago who went postal and started shooting his co-workers? It was like the biggest manhunt and police operation in years, all to find *one guy* with a gun. Ninja-Hippo

Because it's Baltimore, man. They made a fvcking TV show about that cesspool of a city.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Criminals have guns, they will ALWAYS have guns. They are CRIMINALS, they get them through the BLACK MARKET. Government bans guns, means YOU and other CIVILAINS can't buy guns, doesn't mean the CRIMINALS won't. They now knowing you don't have a way to defend yourself can now go and kill you more easy.

Why is this so hard to understand? Anti-Gun loonys are something else.

ShadowMoses900

Gun Crime among civilains? Yes

Gun Crime against civilians and as a whole? No

BBC News - Met police figures show 48% rise in gun crime in London

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Criminals have guns, they will ALWAYS have guns. They are CRIMINALS, they get them through the BLACK MARKET. Government bans guns, means YOU and other CIVILAINS can't buy guns, doesn't mean the CRIMINALS won't. They now knowing you don't have a way to defend yourself can now go and kill you more easy.

Why is this so hard to understand? Anti-Gun loonys are something else.

ShadowMoses900

Gun Crime among civilains? Yes

Gun Crime against civilians and as a whole? No

BBC News - Met police figures show 48% rise in gun crime in London

Also, fvck banning guns.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]More people are shot dead in Baltimore, a single city in america, each week than in the entirety of the UK every year. So the whole 'criminals are coming to murder you with guns' just doesn't fit here. Hell anyone remember that taxi driver a year or two ago who went postal and started shooting his co-workers? It was like the biggest manhunt and police operation in years, all to find *one guy* with a gun. airshocker

Because it's Baltimore, man. They made a fvcking TV show about that cesspool of a city.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]Lol what Jewish ran media? There is no such thing, take off your tin foil hat. And your medai sucks too, paying TAXES for a TV network (BBC)? That's an instant fail bro.

Might as well pay taxes to Newspapers and Radio Stations while your at it :lol:OmenUK

You showed a few people who have Jewish names, so what? That doesn't prove anything. I am a Jewish person and I will admit that there are a lot of Jews in Hollywood, however that is only because Jews could not get jobs in other industries do to discrimiation.

So they had to take Jobs in what was then early theater and cinimea, which eventually became Hollywood. But that doesn't mean we run it. There are plenty of other ethnic and religious groups in Hollywood. Hell Jews don't even make up 1% of the US population, we make up LESS than 1% of it.

So how could such a small group of people run an industry as big as Hollywood or the Media? Especially a group that is the most persecuted in the world?

I hope not all English people are like you, I hope some of them actually like Jews.

On tacos: The hard, U-shaped corn meal shell was first described in a cookbook authored by Fabiola Cabeza de Vaca Gilbert (published in 1949 in Santa Fe, New Mexico).

On chow mein: Chinese people invented the dish, allegedly it was invented by Chinese who came to work in the USA particularly on the West Coast. It is said it is not a dish much known in China.

So...it wasn't a Jew.

[QUOTE="OmenUK"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]Lol what Jewish ran media? There is no such thing, take off your tin foil hat. And your medai sucks too, paying TAXES for a TV network (BBC)? That's an instant fail bro.

Might as well pay taxes to Newspapers and Radio Stations while your at it :lol:ShadowMoses900

You showed a few people who have Jewish names, so what? That doesn't prove anything. I am a Jewish person and I will admit that there are a lot of Jews in Hollywood, however that is only because Jews could not get jobs in other industries do to discrimiation.

So they had to take Jobs in what was then early theater and cinimea, which eventually became Hollywood. But that doesn't mean we run it. There are plenty of other ethnic and religious groups in Hollywood. Hell Jews don't even make up 1% of the US population, we make up LESS than 1% of it.

So how could such a small group of people run an industry as big as Hollywood or the Media? Especially a group that is the most persecuted in the world?

I hope not all English people are like you, I hope some of them actually like Jews.

I know, it has a massive crime rate. I wouldn't call it a cesspool though, i stayed there for six months and it's a great town. I'm merely using it as an example of how low gun crime in england is. "Criminals with guns are gonna murder you" is a valid argument in America, especially in cities, but in England it's an absurdity. Unless you're unlucky enough to be amongst the 30 or so people out of 60 million who are murdered with a gun every year, you really don't have anything to worry about. You're almost a hundred times more likely to be killed in a car accident.Ninja-Hippo

It's only slightly nicer than New York City. Fvck big cities.

I wasn't disagreeing with you about the absurdity of such an argument when used in England.

[QUOTE="OmenUK"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]Lol what Jewish ran media? There is no such thing, take off your tin foil hat. And your medai sucks too, paying TAXES for a TV network (BBC)? That's an instant fail bro.

Might as well pay taxes to Newspapers and Radio Stations while your at it :lol:ShadowMoses900

You showed a few people who have Jewish names, so what? That doesn't prove anything. I am a Jewish person and I will admit that there are a lot of Jews in Hollywood, however that is only because Jews could not get jobs in other industries do to discrimiation.

So they had to take Jobs in what was then early theater and cinimea, which eventually became Hollywood. But that doesn't mean we run it. There are plenty of other ethnic and religious groups in Hollywood. Hell Jews don't even make up 1% of the US population, we make up LESS than 1% of it.

So how could such a small group of people run an industry as big as Hollywood or the Media? Especially a group that is the most persecuted in the world?

I hope not all English people are like you, I hope some of them actually like Jews.

I have no idea where you heard Jews are discriminated against in the UK. The only time I ever hear people say anything antisemiticis at BNP rallies and they're the most hated people in the UK.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]Gun crime is much lower in the Uk then most other places.

Ninja-Hippo

Gun Crime among civilains? Yes

Gun Crime against civilians and as a whole? No

BBC News - Met police figures show 48% rise in gun crime in London

You points are wrong for several reasons.

1) The US has a FAR larger population than the UK

2) They are only focused on one part of Baltimore Maryland, not every place. There are some places in the US that yes, you don't want to go to. Like LA or some parts of New York or Detroit (you just want to avoid LA entirely, trust me, I know. I've been there before) but that doesn't represent everywhere.

And I'm sure there are some pretty nasty parts of the UK you don't want to go to either. I know about the conflict with Northern Ireland with UK Ireland. It's not very pretty or safe now is it?

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

• The U.K. doesn't have a host of its millitary personnel stationed in other countries indefinitely and doesn't have a habit of sticking its nose in the business of other countries.

ShadowMoses900

Nah, they only militarily support the U.S. whenever they do it instead.

Lol yep, there are British Troops stationed whever we go. They are no different from us in foreign policy really.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Gun Crime among civilains? Yes

Gun Crime against civilians and as a whole? No

BBC News - Met police figures show 48% rise in gun crime in London

ShadowMoses900

You points are wrong for several reasons.

1) The US has a FAR larger population than the UK

2) They are only focused on one part of Baltimore Maryland, not every place. There are some places in the US that yes, you don't want to go to. Like LA or some parts of New York or Detroit (you just want to avoid LA entirely, trust me, I know. I've been there before) but that doesn't represent everywhere.

And I'm sure there are some pretty nasty parts of the UK you don't want to go to either. I know about the conflict with Northern Ireland with UK Ireland. It's not very pretty or safe now is it?

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Nah, they only militarily support the U.S. whenever they do it instead.

Ninja-Hippo

Lol yep, there are British Troops stationed whever we go. They are no different from us in foreign policy really.

British Troops were with us in Iraq and Afghanistan, they stayed in the same bases as the US Troops did. They go where we go.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Gun Crime among civilains? Yes

Gun Crime against civilians and as a whole? No

BBC News - Met police figures show 48% rise in gun crime in London

ShadowMoses900

You points are wrong for several reasons.

1) The US has a FAR larger population than the UK

2) They are only focused on one part of Baltimore Maryland, not every place. There are some places in the US that yes, you don't want to go to. Like LA or some parts of New York or Detroit (you just want to avoid LA entirely, trust me, I know. I've been there before) but that doesn't represent everywhere.

And I'm sure there are some pretty nasty parts of the UK you don't want to go to either. I know about the conflict with Northern Ireland with UK Ireland. It's not very pretty or safe now is it?

[QUOTE="OmenUK"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]Lol what Jewish ran media? There is no such thing, take off your tin foil hat. And your medai sucks too, paying TAXES for a TV network (BBC)? That's an instant fail bro.

Might as well pay taxes to Newspapers and Radio Stations while your at it :lol:ShadowMoses900

You showed a few people who have Jewish names, so what? That doesn't prove anything. I am a Jewish person and I will admit that there are a lot of Jews in Hollywood, however that is only because Jews could not get jobs in other industries do to discrimiation.

So they had to take Jobs in what was then early theater and cinimea, which eventually became Hollywood. But that doesn't mean we run it. There are plenty of other ethnic and religious groups in Hollywood. Hell Jews don't even make up 1% of the US population, we make up LESS than 1% of it.

So how could such a small group of people run an industry as big as Hollywood or the Media? Especially a group that is the most persecuted in the world?

I hope not all English people are like you, I hope some of them actually like Jews.

Can we see some evidence please that the UK or Europe as a whole has some agenda towards the Jewish community? Instead of just wild accusations with no grounding.

I mean France has the third highest population of Jews in the entire world...

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Lol yep, there are British Troops stationed whever we go. They are no different from us in foreign policy really.

ShadowMoses900

British Troops were with us in Iraq and Afghanistan, they stayed in the same bases as the US Troops did. They go where we go.

EDIT: i only just saw you say that Northern Ireland isn't safe. Holy crap...

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="OmenUK"]


Gerald Levin, CEO and Director of AOL Time Warner
Michael Eisner, Chairman and CEO of the Walt Disney Company
Edgar Bronfman, Sr., Chairman of Seagram Company Ltd
Edgar Bronfman, Jr, President and CEO of Seagram Company Ltd and head of Universal Studios
Sumner Redstone, Chairman and CEO of Viacom, Inc
Dennis Dammerman, Vice Chairman of General Electric
Peter Chernin, President and Co-COO of News Corporation Limited

toast_burner

You showed a few people who have Jewish names, so what? That doesn't prove anything. I am a Jewish person and I will admit that there are a lot of Jews in Hollywood, however that is only because Jews could not get jobs in other industries do to discrimiation.

So they had to take Jobs in what was then early theater and cinimea, which eventually became Hollywood. But that doesn't mean we run it. There are plenty of other ethnic and religious groups in Hollywood. Hell Jews don't even make up 1% of the US population, we make up LESS than 1% of it.

So how could such a small group of people run an industry as big as Hollywood or the Media? Especially a group that is the most persecuted in the world?

I hope not all English people are like you, I hope some of them actually like Jews.

I have no idea where you heard Jews are discriminated against in the UK. The only time I ever hear people say anything antisemiticis at BNP rallies and they're the most hated people in the UK.

European media often is heavily biased against Israel and often contains anti-semitic undertones. And the guy above me thinks Jews control the media and Hollywood. That's pretty anti-semitic right there.

European media often is heavily biased against Israel and often contains anti-semitic undertones. And the guy above me thinks Jews control the media and Hollywood. That's pretty anti-semitic right there.

ShadowMoses900

America. Although it has a host of problems, I am still attached to it.

European media often is heavily biased against Israel and often contains anti-semitic undertones. And the guy above me thinks Jews control the media and Hollywood. That's pretty anti-semitic right there.

ShadowMoses900

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

You showed a few people who have Jewish names, so what? That doesn't prove anything. I am a Jewish person and I will admit that there are a lot of Jews in Hollywood, however that is only because Jews could not get jobs in other industries do to discrimiation.

So they had to take Jobs in what was then early theater and cinimea, which eventually became Hollywood. But that doesn't mean we run it. There are plenty of other ethnic and religious groups in Hollywood. Hell Jews don't even make up 1% of the US population, we make up LESS than 1% of it.

So how could such a small group of people run an industry as big as Hollywood or the Media? Especially a group that is the most persecuted in the world?

I hope not all English people are like you, I hope some of them actually like Jews.

ShadowMoses900

I have no idea where you heard Jews are discriminated against in the UK. The only time I ever hear people say anything antisemiticis at BNP rallies and they're the most hated people in the UK.

European media often is heavily biased against Israel and often contains anti-semitic undertones. And the guy above me thinks Jews control the media and Hollywood. That's pretty anti-semitic right there.

[QUOTE="tomo90"]

While I think that our healthcare and education system is superior, I do think we lack the opportunities career wise which are far more readily available in the U.S.

Also we don't have mountain dew. Not the proper stuff anyway. Hmpff.

Pirate700

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="OmenUK"]


Gerald Levin, CEO and Director of AOL Time Warner
Michael Eisner, Chairman and CEO of the Walt Disney Company
Edgar Bronfman, Sr., Chairman of Seagram Company Ltd
Edgar Bronfman, Jr, President and CEO of Seagram Company Ltd and head of Universal Studios
Sumner Redstone, Chairman and CEO of Viacom, Inc
Dennis Dammerman, Vice Chairman of General Electric
Peter Chernin, President and Co-COO of News Corporation Limited

tomo90

You showed a few people who have Jewish names, so what? That doesn't prove anything. I am a Jewish person and I will admit that there are a lot of Jews in Hollywood, however that is only because Jews could not get jobs in other industries do to discrimiation.

So they had to take Jobs in what was then early theater and cinimea, which eventually became Hollywood. But that doesn't mean we run it. There are plenty of other ethnic and religious groups in Hollywood. Hell Jews don't even make up 1% of the US population, we make up LESS than 1% of it.

So how could such a small group of people run an industry as big as Hollywood or the Media? Especially a group that is the most persecuted in the world?

I hope not all English people are like you, I hope some of them actually like Jews.

Can we see some evidence please that the UK or Europe as a whole has some agenda towards the Jewish community? Instead of just wild accusations with no grounding.

I mean France has the third highest population of Jews in the entire world...

Poll: 'Anti-Semitic notions' on rise among French, other Europeans ...

Anti-Semitism On The Rise In Europe, According To Anti-Defamation ...

BBC News - Anti-Semitic attacks against Jews 'rise in the UK'

Rise in antisemitic attacks 'the worst recorded in Britain in decades ...

Jews leave Swedish city after sharp rise in anti-Semitic hate crimes ...

Anti-Semitism in the UK On the Rise, But Jewish Life Thrives ...

Not all Brits or other Europeans are Anti-Semitic, but it seems that there is still strong resintment and underlying hatred of Jews that is still present. I hear that Jews are seen by some Europeans as how some people see blacks in the US. Still looked down upon in some areas. And that one British guy thinks Jews control Hollywood and the Media.

And in Paris France, Jews have to live in only one section of the city:

Le Marais, Paris France: The Jewish District?

The European media and the US media is pretty much all the same. The sun never sleeps on the Murdoch empire. -Sun_Tzu-

we do but poptarts are rubbish anywayEJ902

:o

How dare you.

The European media and the US media is pretty much all the same. The sun never sleeps on the Murdoch empire. -Sun_Tzu-

American news is much more biased and stupid. British news is less biased but more boring (overall it's much better).

Tabloids are terrible everywhere.

Poll: 'Anti-Semitic notions' on rise among French, other Europeans ...

Anti-Semitism On The Rise In Europe, According To Anti-Defamation ...

BBC News - Anti-Semitic attacks against Jews 'rise in the UK'

Rise in antisemitic attacks 'the worst recorded in Britain in decades ...

Jews leave Swedish city after sharp rise in anti-Semitic hate crimes ...

Anti-Semitism in the UK On the Rise, But Jewish Life Thrives ...

Not all Brits or other Europeans are Anti-Semitic, but it seems that there is still strong resintment and underlying hatred of Jews that is still present. I hear that Jews are seen by some Europeans as how some people see blacks in the US. Still looked down upon in some areas.

And in Paris France, Jews have to live in only one section of the city:

Le Marais, Paris France: The Jewish District?

ShadowMoses900

[QUOTE="tomo90"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

You showed a few people who have Jewish names, so what? That doesn't prove anything. I am a Jewish person and I will admit that there are a lot of Jews in Hollywood, however that is only because Jews could not get jobs in other industries do to discrimiation.

So they had to take Jobs in what was then early theater and cinimea, which eventually became Hollywood. But that doesn't mean we run it. There are plenty of other ethnic and religious groups in Hollywood. Hell Jews don't even make up 1% of the US population, we make up LESS than 1% of it.

So how could such a small group of people run an industry as big as Hollywood or the Media? Especially a group that is the most persecuted in the world?

I hope not all English people are like you, I hope some of them actually like Jews.

ShadowMoses900

Can we see some evidence please that the UK or Europe as a whole has some agenda towards the Jewish community? Instead of just wild accusations with no grounding.

I mean France has the third highest population of Jews in the entire world...

And in Paris France, Jews have to live in only one section of the city:

Le Marais, Paris France: The Jewish District?

You are kidding right...

Does that mean Italian Americans can only live in Little Italy? -.-

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Also I hear the UK and Europe as a whole is very anti semitic still, and as a person of Jewish Heritage I am a little nervous.

ShadowMoses900

I see European media sometimes, they often show very anti-Israeli stuff, which often times seems to give off an anti-semitic vibe. And when I play online sometimes I come across British People and they are always making racist jokes towards Jews and they say UK hates Jews and wants to expell them.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

I have no idea where you heard Jews are discriminated against in the UK. The only time I ever hear people say anything antisemiticis at BNP rallies and they're the most hated people in the UK.

OmenUK

European media often is heavily biased against Israel and often contains anti-semitic undertones. And the guy above me thinks Jews control the media and Hollywood. That's pretty anti-semitic right there.

You think Jews control the media and Hollywood, that is one of the many classic anti-semtic conspiracey theories that exist.

Accusations of Jews controlling the media?

Oh you mean the same way you put the majority of african americans in the poorest neighbourhoods, oh but that could not happen in america, land of the free, home of the brave, if you have the right skin colour

OmenUK

Did you seriously just suggest we PUT black people in the poorest neighborhoods?

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]'ve seen a lot of ridiculous posts in this thread about tax, including one guy who seemed to think that a person on minimum wage would be taxed 40%. If you're on minimum wage, you aren't taxed anything. The average tax rate for individuals in the UK is 20%. Yes, there is a higher maximum tax rate here than in the USA (40%) but that only applies to the country's top earners. Corporate and business tax is much lower here than it is in America. The only bad taxes i can think of are VAT (20%, dont know what it is in America) and taxes on cars/fuel to discourage people buying new cars due to global warming targets. Ninja-Hippo

Obviously, you have never earned minimum wage here in the US. While tax cuts here in the US have lowered what those at the minimum wage end have to pay, It has been more over the years. If the US were to start to offer free medical care (not really free, but paid for by taxpayers) or free college tuition (again paid for by taxpayers), it would have to be paid for by someone and that even includes those making minimum wage.

As it is, you state that your income taxes are 20% but fail to include that national health care tax you have to pay with that. That boosts the amount of taxes you pay and are still paying for your own health care, even if you are paying it to your government instead of the your own doctor's office. Oh wait, do you get to choose which doctor you get to see as we here in the US do?

Income Tax Rates 2012 - 13
Starting rate for savings 10% £0 - £2,710
Basic tax rate 20% £0 - 34,370
Higher tax rate 40% Over £34,370
Additional rate 50% Over £150,000

Income Tax Allowances (£)
Personal allowance for people under 65 8,105
Personal allowance for people aged 65-74 10,500
Personal allowance for people aged 75 and over 10,660
Income limit for age-related allowances 25,400
Married couple's allowance - aged 75 or more 7,705
Minimum amount of married couple's allowance 2,960
Blind person's allowance 2,100

Reduced tax allowances and tapered down to zero over £100,000

National Insurance 2012 - 13
LEL per week £107
UEL per week £817
Primary Threshold per week £146
Secondary Threshold per week £144
Employee - between PT - UEL (A) 12%
Employee - Over UEL 2%
Employers class 1 13.8%UK Tax Rates

While according to the above chart, those making less than £34,370 are paying 20%, you do pay an additional amount on top of that for the National Insurance program (which does cover health care). If the government is taking money out of your paycheck, it is a tax. It may be only 2% but it is still a tax (and can be up to 12% for the upper limit and if you make even more money, add more on top of that).

I pay about 22% total in taxes on the federal level (though if not for benefits, it would be more and about 28%) and that does not count state taxes. The fact of the matter is, in the US, to pay for more social programs, income tax rates would have to increase and a person earning $1160 a month (this is for 4 weeks at 40 hours a week) would have a hard time paying for the necessities if they had to incur any sort of tax increase. Even a small increase from 15% would hurt them.

Marginal Tax Rate Single Married Filing Jointly or Qualified Widow(er) Married Filing Separately Head of Household
10% $0 ? $8,700 $0 ? $17,400 $0 ? $8,700 $0 ? $12,400
15% $8,701 ? $35,350 $17,401 ? $70,700 $8,701 ? $35,350 $12,401 ? $47,350
25% $35,351 ? $85,650 $70,701 ? $142,700 $35,351 ? $71,350 $47,351 ? $122,300
28% $85,651 ? $178,650 $142,701 ? $217,450 $71,351 ? $108,725 $122,301 ? $198,050
33% $178,651 ? $388,350 $217,451 ? $388,350 $108,726 ? $194,175 $198,051 ? $388,350
35% $388,351+ $388,351+ $194,176+ $388,351+US Tax Rates

[QUOTE="OmenUK"]

Oh you mean the same way you put the majority of african americans in the poorest neighbourhoods, oh but that could not happen in america, land of the free, home of the brave, if you have the right skin colour

airshocker

Did you seriously just suggest we PUT black people in the poorest neighborhoods?

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="tomo90"]

Can we see some evidence please that the UK or Europe as a whole has some agenda towards the Jewish community? Instead of just wild accusations with no grounding.

I mean France has the third highest population of Jews in the entire world...

tomo90

And in Paris France, Jews have to live in only one section of the city:

Le Marais, Paris France: The Jewish District?

You are kidding right...

Does that mean Italian Americans can only live in Little Italy? -.-

Many Itialians only live there because that's where their ancestors settled when they immigrated here. Each district of a city had certain ethnic groups in them. Doesn't mean they have to live there, they can live anywhere. We don't put them there like the other guy is suggesting we do with blacks. We don't do that at all.

Why do Jews have to live in that area in Paris? They were literally forced to live there. Mabey it's better now than it was in the past, but I still don't know. Perhaps the UK isn't anti-semitic after all.

[QUOTE="tomo90"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

And in Paris France, Jews have to live in only one section of the city:

Le Marais, Paris France: The Jewish District?

ShadowMoses900

You are kidding right...

Does that mean Italian Americans can only live in Little Italy? -.-

Many Itialians only live there because that's where their ancestors settled when they immigrated here. Each district of a city had certain ethnic groups in them. Doesn't mean they have to live there, they can live anywhere. We don't put them there like the other guy is suggesting we do with blacks. We don't do that at all.

Why do Jews have to live in that area in Paris? They were literally forced to live there. Mabey it's better now than it was in the past, but I still don't know. Perhaps the UK isn't anti-semitic after all.