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http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/01/world/europe/eu-nsa/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

 

(CNN) -- European officials reacted with fury Sunday to a report that the U.S. National Security Agency spied on EU offices.

The European Union warned that if the report is accurate, it will have tremendous repercussions.

"I am deeply worried and shocked about the allegations," European Parliament President Martin Schulz said in a statement. "If the allegations prove to be true, it would be an extremely serious matter which will have a severe impact on EU-US relations. On behalf of the European Parliament, I demand full clarification and require further information speedily from the U.S. authorities with regard to these allegations."

 

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German Justice Minister Sabine Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger "said if the accusations were true, it was reminiscent of the Cold War," ministry spokesman Anders Mertzlufft said, adding that the minister "has asked for an immediate explanation from the United States."

French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius called for a swift explanation from American authorities.

"These acts, if they are confirmed, would be absolutely unacceptable," he said in a statement.

The outrage from European officials over the weekend was the latest fallout since Edward Snowden, a former National Security Agency computer contractor, started spilling details of U.S. surveillance programs to reporters earlier this month.

Citing information from secret documents obtained bySnowden, the German news magazine Der Spiegelreported Sunday that several U.S. spying operations targeted European Union leaders.

Der Spiegel said it had "in part seen" documents from Snowden that describe how the National Security Agency bugged EU officials' Washington and New York offices and conducted an "electronic eavesdropping operation" that tapped into a EU building in Brussels, Belgium.

The magazine's report also says that NSA spying has targeted telephone and Internet connection data in Germany more than any other European nation. An average of up to 20 million phone connections and 10 million Internet data connections are surveyed daily, Der Spiegel said, noting that the intensity of surveillance puts the U.S. ally on par with China, Iraq and Saudi Arabia.

Another report Sunday claimed that surveillance extended beyond European offices.

The Guardian newspaper reported that one NSA document leaked by Snowden describes 38 embassies and missions as "targets" and details surveillance methods that include planting bugs in communications equipment and collecting transmissions with specialized antennae.

Targets included France, Italy, Greece, Japan, Mexico, South Korea, India and Turkey, according to The Guardian.

CNN has not independently confirmed the allegations in the reports from Der Spiegel and the Guardian.

U.S. officials did not immediately respond to the Guardian's report. The Office of the Director of National Intelligence declined to comment Sunday on specific allegations published in Der Spiegel.

"The United States government will respond appropriately to the European Union through our diplomatic channels, and through the EU/U.S. experts' dialogue on intelligence that the U.S. proposed several weeks ago," the office said in a statement. "We will also discuss these issues bilaterally with EU member states. While we are not going to comment publicly on specific alleged intelligence activities, as a matter of policy, we have made clear that the United States gathers foreign intelligence of the type gathered by all nations."

Ben Rhodes, White House deputy national security adviser for strategic communications, said he had not seen the report and "would not comment on unauthorized disclosures of intelligence programs. The intelligence community would be the most appropriate to do that."

Rhodes added that "those are some of our closest intelligence partners, so it's worth noting that the Europeans work very closely with us. We have very close intelligence relationships with them."

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Michael Hayden, a former director of the NSA and CIA, told "Face the Nation" on CBS on Sunday morning that he didn't know whether the report was true.

"I've been out of government for about five years, so I really don't know, and even if I did, I wouldn't confirm or deny it," he said. "But I think I can confirm a few things for you here this morning. Number one, the United States does conduct espionage. Number two, our Fourth Amendment, which protects Americans' privacy, is not an international treaty. And number three, any European who wants to go out and rend their garments with regard to international espionage should look first and find out what their governments are doing."

European Union spokeswoman Marlene Holzner, in a e-mail to CNN, said, "We have immediately been in contact with the U.S. authorities in Washington D.C. and in Brussels and have confronted them with the press reports. They have told us they are checking on the accuracy of the information released yesterday and will come back to us."

In Brussels, Der Spiegel says, the agency targeted the Justus Lipsius Building, which houses the European Council and the EU Council of Ministers, the union's main decision-making and legislative body.

And in Washington, the magazine report claims, the NSA installed bugs in the European Union's building and infiltrated its computer network.

Der Spiegel's report comes as negotiations for a trans-Atlantic trade agreement between the United States and the European Union are set to start next month in Washington.

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Snowden has revealed himself as the source of documents outlining a massive effort by the NSA to track cell phone calls and monitor the e-mail and Internet traffic of virtually all Americans.

Critics slam him as a traitor. Supporters hail him as a hero.

Now Snowden, who faces espionage charges in the United States, is in Russia and seeking asylum from Ecuador.

U.S. Vice President Joe Biden asked Ecuador "to please reject" the request for asylum, according to Ecuadorian President Rafael Correa.

"That's not acceptable," WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange told ABC's "This Week" on Sunday.

Assange, whose organization facilitates the release of classified documents and is assisting Snowden's asylum bid, said he couldn't reveal details about the former NSA contractor's specific location or the status of his case. He criticized U.S. officials for pressuring Ecuador on the matter.

"Asylum is a right that we all have. It's an international right. The United States has been founded largely on accepting political refugees from other countries and has prospered by it. Mr. Snowden has that right," said Assange. "Ideally, he should be able to return to the United States. Unfortunately, that's not the world that we live in and hopefully another country will give him the justice that he deserves."

Former Cuban leader Fidel Castro weighed in on Sunday. In a letter to Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega published in Cuban state media, Castro praised Ecuador's president for standing up to U.S. threats over Snowden.

On Saturday night, Correa said the ball was in Russia's court.

"We didn't ask to be in this situation. Mr. Snowden has been in touch with Mr. Assange, who recommended he ask for asylum in Ecuador. In order to process this request, he needs to be in Ecuadorian territory," Correa said in an interview with Ecuador's Oromar TV on Saturday night. "At this point, the solution for Snowden's final destination is in the hands of the Russian authorities."

Russian President Vladimir Putin has said it's up to Snowden to figure out his next step.

"The sooner he selects his final destination point, the better both for us and for himself," Putin said.

A top Russian lawmaker said Sunday that Russia must not hand Snowden over to the United States.

"It's not a matter of Snowden's usefulness to Russia, it's a matter of principle," Alexei Pushkov -- who heads the international affairs committee at the Duma, the lower house of parliament -- said on Twitter.

"He is a political refugee and handing him over is morally unacceptable," he said.

 

Wow. 


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Rofl. U.S. deserves every bit of shit they get thrown at themselves now.
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Rofl. U.S. deserves every bit of shit they get thrown at themselves now. Rich3232
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Dear yanks, please spy on our own citizens and leave the rest of the world alone.
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Snowden has gone from whistleblower to traitor territory.
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Dear yanks, please spy on our own citizens and leave the rest of the world alone.m25105
lol You don't think every major country spies on the others?

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I'm kind of hoping they catch Snowden. Yes, the NSA did all kinds of bad sh*t but they also did a lot of necessary counter-intelligence on China. Now that Snowden has leaked that information, the US is in a sincerely compromised position.
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[QUOTE="m25105"]Dear yanks, please spy on our own citizens and leave the rest of the world alone.Pirate700

lol You don't think every major country spies on the others?

Yea but those other countries aren't the super power that is the US!
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I'm shocked and amazed...
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Hopefully EU will stick to their threats and not just accept any answer to try and avoid going against the US
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The stupidity of the Obama administration knows no bounds.
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[QUOTE="m25105"]Dear yanks, please spy on our own citizens and leave the rest of the world alone.Pirate700

lol You don't think every major country spies on the others?

This sort of thing can snowball and have other repercussions, especially together with that PRISM thing. The world kind of revolves around the US. Everyone uses google, gmail, windows, facebook, etc. Imagine if the world decides to start using another search engine, or email provider, OS, etc. Massive impact for the US. This is not an easy thing to happen of course, people don't change OS, mail provider, etc. overnight and the world won't suddently agree to everyone switching to the same thing. But it can happen, the same way it did happen with the current internet major players, somehow the world aligned to use the services those companies provide, that's why they have massive market share. And if it starts to happen, for whatever reason, it will be too late, because it will snowball.

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The stupidity of the Obama administration knows no bounds. KC_Hokie
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So what? What they gonna do? Bomb us?
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oh lawldy this is getting good..
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[QUOTE="m25105"]Dear yanks, please spy on our own citizens and leave the rest of the world alone.Pirate700

lol You don't think every major country spies on the others?

seriously... i always thought it was funny all the outrage people feigned when we learned that china was actively trying to hack into us assets. like the us wasn't doing the exact same thing right back.
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Sooo i gotta wonder if snowden has any bigger "bomb shells" to unveil?
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It's time to stop trying to arrest this traitor, and seriously consider terminating him before he hands over something that gets people killed.

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oh lawldy this is getting good..fl4tlined
*cough* Biggest trading partner in the world. *cough*
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Guess USA is trying to get some kind of economical advantage over us or something. I don't know, what good where they expecting to come of that? It's my only guess.

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So apparently Germany is classed as a third class partner similar in extent to China, Iraq or Saudi-Arabia. :lol:

"We can attack the signals of most foreign third-class partners, and we do it too," Der Spiegel quoted a passage in the NSA document as saying.Reuters

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#23 Hexagon_777
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Only Canada, Australia, Britain and New Zealand were explicitly exempted from spy attacks.Reuters
No surprise there. ;) :lol:

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1) Do you really think that other countries don't bug Russia, China and the US and vice versa?

2) Do you really think this began with the Obama administration?

Get real. The US is pretty shitty right now when it comes to this stuff, but don't be naive to think that this is a new phenomenon.

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Rofl. U.S. deserves every bit of shit they get thrown at themselves now. Rich3232
Please. I imagine just about every major government spies one everyone they possibly can. I don't see why people are so surprised to hear about stuff like this, if you thought the government wasn't spying you're extremely naive.

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It's time to stop trying to arrest this traitor, and seriously consider terminating him before he hands over something that gets people killed.

OrkHammer007

Right now a large portion of America has him on a pedestal due to exposing the NSA programs. Unless he openly leaks battle plans, military weaknesses, or anything that would aid a large attack against American civilians to al Qaeda and North Korea I could see massive riots happening if he "dies" anytime between now and when he is a hundred.

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Rofl. U.S. deserves every bit of shit they get thrown at themselves now. Rich3232
Yeah, they pretty much did it to themselves.
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[QUOTE="m25105"]Dear yanks, please spy on our own citizens and leave the rest of the world alone.Pirate700

lol You don't think every major country spies on the others?

I would be surprised to find out Greece or Germany had bugs in U.S. offices and was spying on us. And if they were, I'd bet the U.S. would have a pissy fit too. So why are we so special that Europe isn't allowed to be angry?

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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="m25105"]Dear yanks, please spy on our own citizens and leave the rest of the world alone.Jolt_counter119

lol You don't think every major country spies on the others?

I would be surprised to find out Greece or Germany had bugs in U.S. offices and was spying on us. And if they were, I'd bet the U.S. would have a pissy fit too. So why are we so special that Europe isn't allowed to be angry?

Especially with how Germany is being classified. :lol:

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[QUOTE="Jolt_counter119"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]lol You don't think every major country spies on the others?

Hexagon_777

I would be surprised to find out Greece or Germany had bugs in U.S. offices and was spying on us. And if they were, I'd bet the U.S. would have a pissy fit too. So why are we so special that Europe isn't allowed to be angry?

Especially with how Germany is being classified. :lol:

yeah it isn't the fact that we are spying it's the fact that they found out.. it's like in the cold war when one of our spy planes went down over soviet russia, the exact same concept of hell everyone is spying but we don't have confirmation of it
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#32 LJS9502_basic
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LOL like they aren't spying on the US.
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It is only spying who cares? Why blow this out of proportion. If my country spied on the US which it may rarely do I wouldn't want to be personally persecuted for it. As someone with European citizenship I really do not care if the US spied or not on my country. They probably have on and off for the last 70 years anyway.

Besides Mohammed Attah resided in Germany for a few years. If you have the power to spy and wish to use it by all means. Sabotage and killing of civilians is a different thing though.

Didn't Isreal spy on the USA and they are still good buddies.

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It is only spying who cares? Why blow this out of proportion. If my country spied on the US which it may rarely do I wouldn't want to be persecuted for it. As someone with European citizenship I really do not care if the US spied or not on my country. They probably have on and off for the last 70 years anyway.

Besides Mohammed Attah resided in Germany for a few years. If you have the power to spy and wish to use it by all means.

Didn't Isreal spy on the USA and they are still good buddies.

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All countries with the capability to spy do so. Self righteousness is ridiculous.
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Spying seems kind-off like a harsh word, maybe surveilance would be better.

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We've effectively spit in our allies faces. It can only go down hill from here.

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We've effectively spit in our allies faces. It can only go down hill from here.

airshocker

Well, not really. as quoted:

Only Canada, Australia, Britain and New Zealand were explicitly exempted from spy attacks.Reuters
If you speak English, you're fine, dude.

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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="m25105"]Dear yanks, please spy on our own citizens and leave the rest of the world alone.Chicken453

lol You don't think every major country spies on the others?

Yea but those other countries aren't the super power that is the US!

Those other countries arent dumb enough to get caught. Though I did catch a frenchman snooping in my backyard the other day.
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[quote="Reuters"]Only Canada, Australia, Britain and New Zealand were explicitly exempted from spy attacks.Hexagon_777

No surprise there. ;) :lol:

The US has actually admitted that years ago. Those are the only nations that they do not actively gather intelligence on.
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[QUOTE="airshocker"]

We've effectively spit in our allies faces. It can only go down hill from here.

Hexagon_777

Well, not really. as quoted:

Only Canada, Australia, Britain and New Zealand were explicitly exempted from spy attacks.Reuters
If you speak English, you're fine, dude.

Won't matter. We've effectively taken a big shit where we eat. If this doesn't show that there is zero accountability in our government, I don't know what will. This is the first time in my life that I've truly thought this country is FUBAR.

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[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

We've effectively spit in our allies faces. It can only go down hill from here.

airshocker

Well, not really. as quoted:

Only Canada, Australia, Britain and New Zealand were explicitly exempted from spy attacks.Reuters
If you speak English, you're fine, dude.

Won't matter. We've effectively taken a big shit where we eat. If this doesn't show that there is zero accountability in our government, I don't know what will. This is the first time in my life that I've truly thought this country is FUBAR.

What is the definition of FUBAR anyway? The internet has left me unsure.

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can you blame us?

every time we turn our backs for 2 seconds you start chucking minorities into ovens.

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What is the definition of FUBAR anyway? The internet has left me unsure.

Hexagon_777

It varies but the context I was using it in is: Fvcked Up Beyond Any Repair.

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[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

We've effectively spit in our allies faces. It can only go down hill from here.

airshocker

Well, not really. as quoted:

Only Canada, Australia, Britain and New Zealand were explicitly exempted from spy attacks.Reuters
If you speak English, you're fine, dude.

Won't matter. We've effectively taken a big shit where we eat. If this doesn't show that there is zero accountability in our government, I don't know what will. This is the first time in my life that I've truly thought this country is FUBAR.

Dude the US and other countries monitor each other all the time. Nothing different.:|
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[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]

What is the definition of FUBAR anyway? The internet has left me unsure.

airshocker

It varies but the context I was using it in is: Fvcked Up Beyond Any Repair.

i always heard fvcked up beyond all recognition.

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#46 deactivated-6127ced9bcba0
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Dude the US and other countries monitor each other all the time. Nothing different.:|LJS9502_basic

It is very different when you're collating the e-mails of people in those countries without that country's permission. When you've actively sabotaged computer systems in order to obtain those e-mails.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Dude the US and other countries monitor each other all the time. Nothing different.:|airshocker

It is very different when you're collating the e-mails of people in those countries without that country's permission. When you've actively sabotaged computer systems in order to obtain those e-mails.

Look the EU might be complaining but don't think they don't use every trick themselves....
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#48 killerfist
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You would be a fool to think that Germany for example isn't spying on others. Including the US.
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Look the EU might be complaining but don't think they don't use every trick themselves....LJS9502_basic

I know each country spies on the other. But this goes way beyond that.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Look the EU might be complaining but don't think they don't use every trick themselves....airshocker

I know each country spies on the other. But this goes way beyond that.

Not really. They don't tell each other how they are doing it.....or when.